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Joe broke the Walky code, and he doesn’t give a damn.
Joe needs to turn in his Walky card.
Walky needs to turn in his Man card.
Dorothy needs to turn in her Whistling card.
The whistle needs to turn in its Tune card.
The Tune needs to turn in it’s Note card.
The slave needs to turn in his Master card.
There are some things money can’t buy.
There are so many things a nickel can buy…
Most of them are your mom.
Nice work Fred, somebody has to be the straight man.
Sure is a jazzy tune Dorothy’s whistling there.
It’s a one note song, but it is a beautiful one note song.
Hey, at least it’s not Summer Time Lovin’ in the Summer (Time).
Gonna head down to the beach, gonna do some beachy things
Can I call you on the phone, can I ask you for a date*
It’s Summertime, it feels just right. Gonna gather all my friends and we’ll party through the night.
It’s summer time and I hope you like steak. Can I take you to a resturaunt and eat it at a lake?
It’s Summertime and when dinner’s done. Gonna take you to the club, gonna dance and have some fun. It’s Summertime and when the end is near. Gonna hold you very close. Whisper, “let’s get out of here”.
Aw snap!!
Looking at the tags, at first I thought Roz went goth or something.
Once you go Joe, you go goth.
He also has a rule where dudes have to eat chicken nuggets twice a week or become ladies.
So eat chicken breast (nuggets) or you end up growing breasts.
By that ruling I have been a woman for many years.
Are you saying that you are NOT??? 😛
But eating chicken nuggets too much and it will give you (man) breast too.
So lose-lose situation?
The idea that most chicken nuggets are breast meat from a chicken is a wonderful pipedream.
No, to be a guy you must eat the gristle, beaks, feet, and other unsellable parts of the chicken minced together and then breaded and fried to hide that it’s never been “meat”.
That’s why you need to find the words “Chicken Breast Nuggets” on the box, otherwise it ends up being what you just said.
But Walky is the dudiest dude around, he’s all for the threesomes and man-marriage.
He’s Dudley MCDudeMiester. The Dudliest dude in the dudiverse.
No, there is only one Dude.
And Walky is not the Dude.
When Walky told Dorothy that he hadn’t told her he liked her due to how manly he was, I gave him the thumbs up because I thought he was mostly being a smart-ass again, and that dorkiness = manliness was amusing.
But shoes? I own about as many as Joe does, and I don’t think that it is an unusual number at all. You need a pair each for athletic activity, formal occasions, everyday use, inclement weather, comfort, etc. Some of these aren’t mutually exclusive, but Joe’s number is hardly unusual.
I don’t think “For Seriously?” is a phrase anyone uses. I’d drop the “For”.
I use “for serious” sometimes.
I have even used the phrase “bongo, please”.
I used the phrase “Piss off and die’ but only when I’m driving.
I used “Oh no not this shit again” a little bit too many. Mostly in internet forums.
“For Cereal” is the the appropriate phrase.
Fo’ rizzle?
I use that whenever I see a moe anime.
You’d be amazed what sort of ridiculous grammatical contrivances people may pull off in everyday speech–even deliberately.
Wow.
Did not expect Joe to be the one voicing my stance on gender roles as interpreted by Walky.
😀
That said, I think that Walky should still stick with just one or two pairs, because that seems like it fits him personally. But he should do it because of his own likes and dislikes, not because he’s a guy.
Walky’s stance on manliness seems to be based on the ideals of boys under 10 during the last century.
Walky clearly is not paying attention in Gender Studies class.
Dude, my stance of manliness includes kicking a bear on the nads, punching dinosaurs in the face, taking down an army of genetic supermen and mechanical robots solo, taking down an ancient empire with 11 guys, fighting an ocean and even I think Walky’s stance on manliness is crap.
So the world is filled to the brim with girly guys then?
Well, the stance also includes adapting to any situation.
Sooo in your world the only real men are Kirk and Sisko?
You forgot Ryoma Nagare, pretty much all the Showa Riders, Kabuto Kouji and the hero BILLY!
….NERD!!!!!!
Says the guy who suggested Kirk and Sisko.
I limited my self to your specs. and that leads to Kirk and Sisko.
Kirk kicks an bear Alein in the knee nads, punches a dino man then makes a bazooka out of bamboo, Deafets a genetic superman twice, an android that looks like lurch. Sisko punched out Q, beat the crap out of the genertly advince Supersolders. and brought the Dominion to it knees.
And he is technology black space jesus
I don’t know, I know a lot of little kids who have at least a pair of formal shoes of their own volition, so they’d have at least 2. I think Walky’s stance is a level of childishness higher than actual children.
This is what is known as a manchild who has ascended beyond a manchild. You can call it Manchild 2.
But his hair hasn’t turned into a gold colour.
I think you’re confusing manchild with super saiyan.
As far as I can tell, Joe’s had one of the best track records in the comic as far as gender issues are concerned. He walks into gender studies, talks about threesomes, hands in his paper, and Leslie is left scratching her head because he wrote the most nuanced and well put together paper in the Gender Studies class.
Yeah, Joe is kind of amazing here.
It’s great since he’s such a stereotype, but he doesn’t actually believe in stereotypes. It means that the rest of Joe (the Joeness, if you will) is because that’s him, not just because that’s how people are.
Joe is just as bad as Walky. Same ‘masculinity is great’ attitude, same use of arbitrary criteria to judge masculinity (apparently Walky’s masculinity [ignoring the manhood pun] is fragile because he uses arbitrary criteria to judge it, but in saying so Joe is doing exactly the same thing), and both assert that their own system of judging masculinity is superior (Walky with the comment about ballet shoes, Joe with the comment about Walky’s fragile manhood).
Ehh, what?
The whole point is that Joe isn’t saying Walky isn’t manly, he’s saying that Walky must be insecure about his sexuality (because he’s made up a rule to help define himself). And saying that you shouldn’t judge yourself by arbitrary standards is not in itself an arbitrary standard, that’s just silly.
Also, they are men, I see no problem with them thinking being masculine is pretty great. The bad side of that would be a negative view of feminimity, but that’s kind of what Joe is mocking Walky for, since his views are both shoes=bad and shoes=womanly.
Joe hasn’t been shown to have many hangups yet. Take away the promiscuity, and you get the closest thing the comic has to a straight man. Or, to put it another way, so far he’s the straight man with a defining characteristic …well, more than the phrase “tacked on” would imply.
I strongly approve the message of this comic.
Ooh more rule related comments. My rule #1: Three or more shoes is OK by my book. Rule #2: Be a gentleman but fight dirty. Rule #3: Change socks every 2 days or when I feel like it, whichever comes first. Rule #4: Rabid fangirls are acceptable targets.
I love owning shoes. Kicks are there to be collected just like toys.
Nut shot, good idea.
2 days? change socks when you can smell the bad stench.
I dunno. You can catch rabies….
Rule #5: The Cult of Jesus Yamato is also an acceptable target.
Rule #6: Always mention Relena Peacecraft at a Gundam Wing forum and let the fire burn.
Rule #7: There are limitations to how much fanservice of the sexual kind that I could take before I watch something else.
Rule #8: Jokes about how long DBZ is not funny since 2006. There are other joke people like, how the hell people supported a guy named Mr. Satan?
Rule #9: Yes, I’m a Dragon Ball and Getter Robo fanboy so any questions about who would win in a fight would get Goku and/or Getter Emperor
Rule #10: I think I just gave myself away with this.
Re: Rule #8
Would you say that jokes about how DBZ stretches 10 minutes over 30 episodes are still OK? ‘Cause I’ve been making those if the subject comes up since ’96 or so.
Ah, are you talking about the instant power-up that takes 30+ episodes and looks like trying to pass Halley’s comet after downing a bathtub of Sydney Scoville’s special sauce?
Re: Rule #10: Your obviously anime style avatar gave you away first
Huh. I own like, one pair of shoes at a time. Never bothered me. >_>
…in case anyone’s wondering, they are running shoes, and I have to borrow someone else’s shoes for, yanno, functions like weddings or big fancy parties.
…wait, it’s been a while since I’ve posted here, who’d I become?
Anyway. I was reading the archives through a bit today, and I came to the point where Joyce was nagging Walky for his beliefs or whatever. I guess I find it funny that today after reading that, this is like, the second time Walky’s pissed someone off because he opened his mouth.
Carl!
Borrow someone else shoes? I dunno dude. I don’t like lending my shoes to other people. I mean imagine all the foot fungus and bacteria that guy will transfer to my shoes.
I have one pair of regular shoes that fit me, because I have such an unusual size (15 4E) and they are solid black so they work for most occasions, but then I have 2 pair of dressy shoes that kinda fit (16 D) and a pair of boots I wear with my Star Trek TNG uniform that kinda fit (15 2E).
I have two for each season, not including my pair of formal shoes.
It’s so I can let one pair “rest” every other day. I generally can’t take my shoes off at work.
Mind, I used to have a single pair (spring/summer and winter). But I also wore those out in two years or less as a rule.
I used to have one pair of shoes per year. Then I discovered a pair of lime-green suede boots and it all went to hell from there. My mom doesn’t let me go shoe shopping by myself anymore.
Awesome line is awesome. Thanks, Joe, for that awesome line.
Joe is awesome in this. Walky’s attitude towards the feminine has irritated me for a long time now. I mean grow the fuck up.
I understand that he’s 18.
I sympathize with Walky. Bet then again, I didn’t have a strong male role model. Just a strong Mail role model.
*Begins to list my few pairs of shoes to disagree with Walky’s rule yet demonstrate my manliness by explaining how each pair has a specific usefulness.*
*Gets bored, goes off to read S*P instead of reading a comment about shoes.*
*realizes that I have only like one pair of tennis shoes and one pair of dress shoes, the latter of which I have maybe worn 3 times in my life*
Hello folks, look at your shoes, now back to me, back to your shoes, now back to me. I’m not your shoes, I’m flipping you off. Look at the ground, now back to me. Where are you shoes? I threw it and there’s not a damn thing you can…
Thank you Burter.
David, quick question, does the Joyce and Walky Complete Comic book include the Joyce and Walky Wedding as well?
It’s not a comic book, it’s just a list of links you get sent. Each link takes you to a month’s worth of comics.
The Walky wedding is the last of these links.
Ah, gotcha
What is it now, thirty-six hours since the last fight? The time is nigh!
I used to call myself a guy and own only one pair of shoes… but lately I’ve expanded that collection to include a few pairs of heels, so maybe Walky’s right.
Joe’s a pretty respectable dude. In some respects.
Dorothy suffers from chronic Cheek Mouth.
You’re making Joe look intelligent, mature and wise! Wow!
I just realized Joe is wearing a Dina shirt.
The other person in the threesome was a dinosaur.
JOEWND
*like*
Savor this moment, Linkara. You can tell your grandkids about it. “Dave Willis liked my comment,” you’ll say to them, and they’ll ignore you. Goddamn kids.
Perfect.
Damn. You know you’re hit bottom when Joe is more mature than you.
Oh. My. Fishsticks and custard. It… it can’t be.
JOE has actually LEARNED something from his Gender Studies class! I’m so proud.
So I’m guessing that Joe actually does own a pair of ballet slippers?
Gag gift from Danny?
He thought the sales person said ballet strippers, but he bought them for the kicks.
name for me one thing that is more manly than a male ballet dancer. But you have to go look at one first. Rippling quads…
Male gymnasts are pretty schweet :)a
Agreed!
Evidenciary support:
Magnus Scheving. Google him.
And you’re welcome.
I don’t have to Google him; anybody with a name like “Magnus Scheving” is automatically manly.
Digital commissions? Are you sure? what if someone commission a R34 of yesterday’s comic?
I can always say no. I am a sentient being!
Also I already did it, so.
So freedom is among David’s rights. Interesting…
ONLY UNTIL THE GOVERNMENT TAKES AWAY MY GUNS
Then how will you ever be able to bench press …… Oh wait … states … never-mind.
The Guuuur’mint, you mean?
I thought Guns was your least favorite character?
Joe can’t really talk when he’s currently borrowing Dina’s shirt.
That’s one for Joe. Also, I do believe I see a whistling kettle next to our just-owned pot.
I own more than one pair of shoes.
Wow! That felt great getting that off my chest! 😛
Joe: a man’s man, now with extra shoe.
does that mean he’s gay?
Maturity’s the last thing I expected coming from Joe.
Now to wait for future installments and see if he contradicts himself by having a code of manliness of his own! Oh, the excitement!
Joe doesn’t have a code of manliness; he has a code of Joeliness. He used to have a code of manliness but then he realized that it wouldn’t be fair because so few could keep up.
The most surprising thing about Dumbing of Age is that Joe is basically the most wise and mature person in the cast.
And Joe is being awesome again.
I see no reason in buying shoes if I already have a working pair =p
I add myself to the pile of people who are pleasantly surprised to see something like that coming from Joe. It took years for him to reach that level of maturity in IW!.
Holy crap, Walky got told by Joe. Never saw that coming
And this is why Joe is the best.
Hungover Joe is best Joe
See, I called it. Joe likes shoes.
Oh shit not again!
Willis, I thought you were done initiating a point with a random characterne who has no reason to go high and mighty for this point. Dammit man, I thought we were past this. Unless your introducing a new side of Joe that has not been revealed in the last decade and a half, this convo could of been erased with Joe and pasted with any other character and it would of made more sense.
That seems pretty IC for Joe, dude.
I agree.
With Cronomatt, I mean.
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/02-choosing-my-religion/casualbang/
1) Stop being so damn butthurt. Three damn posts in a row about how you’re mad that Joe has an opinion you seem to disagree with? Yikes.
2) Reference the strip linked above. This is what DoA Joe is like. He is not Walkyverse Joe. If you want Walkyverse Joe, go read Walkyverse Joe. Walkyverse Joe in his college years was awful and sexual assault-y, and I don’t really want to write that character. He is different in this universe. Deal with it.
Interestingly, in that comic Joe implies that drunkenness may be a reason a girl might not be qualified to give properly reasoned consent, yet he is has implied that he uses alcohol to facilitate threesomes, not to mention that he planned to use it to disinhibit Joyce. Perhaps he thought Danny would hold himself to a higher standard than he himself requires?
…. I really want you to find me the part where Joe said he purposefully forced alcohol on other people expressly to get into their pants.
I don’t disagree with Joe, David. You didn’t read my comment at all. I am objective when it comes to my own opinions unless I state otherwise. OOC-ness is what me and Kemp agreed on.
Yes, Willis, DOA Joe has some interesting nuggets of knowledge to give about being a man….but only when the situation REALLY calls for it. 1) Best Friend, 2) Not sleeping with a woman 3) Ignoring her immediate wants.
It is not the core of his being, it is not what he lives and communicates by, and it is CERTAINLY not the person he wants people to associate him as a man judging kill-a-joy. Its not something he would ever pull out for a random-guy-he-barely-knows’ about freakin shoes.
This dialogue sounds like something more high and mighty then Joe would ever say, and seems more fitting for Jason, or even Tony who is known to hate stereotypes. But you kind of wrote yourself into a corner because, while Joe has only a little association with Walky, those guys have none.
And if you had a problem with me commenting three times, (which I admit was because I was thinking it out from all angles as I was posting, seeing how Joe would possibly say something so high and mighty), you could of just erased the last 2. (shrug) I wouldn’t have minded.
And then a commentator argued with the character’s original and sole creator over what was “in-character” for him in an alternate universe, using phrases like “CERTAINLY not” and “not the core of his being”. I expect a thesis to back up that kind of thing, with actual examples, instead of vague and fuzzy statements.
The fact is, you don’t KNOW DoA!Joe that well. We’re only a couple of weeks into the college semester and Joe is not the main character. Do you have any examples of DoA!Joe ignoring a comment like the above because (as you assert) he didn’t care enough about the person making it?
Now, in the world where we pretend you have any kind of legitimate point here, allow me to counterpoint:
a.) When people hear stupidity that is relevant to them, from an unintimidating figure… I think that pointing out that stupidity is pretty normal, no matter how well you know or care about the person who spoke. It’s not about you caring about them; it’s about letting them get away with ludicrous sexism when you could have said something. And smacking someone down righteously is an activity we all enjoy. It gives measurable pleasure.
b.) Joe might not know Walky, BUT HE DEFINITELY KNOWS DOROTHY. The guy she’s dating instead of his best friend? Probably someone Joe is going to be prickly towards. In this moment, wouldn’t it make sense for Joe to be thinking, “You’re standing in for Danny, dude. Try to suck less.”
Joe lives by man code and bro code. The second he would of heard ‘i’m a guy’ he wouldn’t of been confused in the least. You know that.
Joe lives by a code based on action. Not petty bull like how many pairs of shoes you happen to own. Now, you could argue that Joe’s idea of masculinity is every bit as flawed as Walky’s, but that doesn’t make it out of character for him to find defining manliness as “how many shoes you own.”
I disagree here. The “bro code” or “man code” has never been objective. Everyone has their own code. Take Barney Stinson from How I Met Your Mother. He gets laid all the time from many different ladies and constantly points out the “bro code”. Yet he owns multiple pairs of shoes for his multiple suits. This fits perfectly with Joe. He’s set in his ways and is not in any way doubting his masculinity.
Even if his hangover, or whatever caused him to miss shaving, was making him act high and mighty, he would of at least had knowledge that a lot of guys have 1 pair.
Joe knows that; he just knows that that shoe count is irrelevant to manliness. The measure of a man’s manliness lies only in your activeness with the ladies and your willingness to do dangerous, possibly stupid things. Preferably both in rapid succession.
*Have*. Would have”, not “would of”. You’re making me crazy!
THANK YOU
What’s happened to this comic?
Why is no one obsessing over the unnamed person in the foreground?
No tag, no interest
i just assumed it was an Aubrey cameo.
That’s actually Nyarlathotep; you should get your eyesight checked. Probably not in the tags because to write it would risk reality.
As an archaeology major, I am a fan of Joe (Dina?)’s shirt. Can we get a real life version of that?
Why yes, you can.
Thank you, kind sir!
JOE RULES
I don’t think I’ve ever had more than two pairs of shoes that I actively wore. Seven seems excessive for a dude. I mean, more power to him if that’s his thing, but Walky’s more right than he is wrong here.
Guys shoes have a much smaller range of styles and colors than ladies shoes anyway, so it’s more difficult to justify needing a large number of them.
But Walky’s argument isn’t that seven pairs is excessive, or even just unusual; it’s that owning even two pairs of shoes means you’re a girl. I’m pretty comfortable saying that is an argument composed entirely of wrong, right up there with his previously expressed view that tying your shoelaces is emasculating.
Casual shoes, dress shoes, boots… that’s three even if you don’t have more than one style and have no slippers.
One is just unmanageable.
Seriously, around here, if you don’t have a pair of boots, you will be ruining your shoes, and possibly losing toes, come winter.
Also, what adult male doesn’t have a pair of dress/casual shoes? What do you wear to weddings, funerals and dates that don’t involve McD’s?
Dorothy being the first woman he’s apparently ever been interested in I doubt think Walky’s ever been on a fancy date.
Agreeing with Greenygal: it’s not about whether owning only one pair of shoes is common for guys, it’s about Walky’s statement that owning more than one pair is somehow girly (and his clear implication that being girly is super-bad). Walky is arguing from an evident premise (men on average own fewer shoes) to a ridiculous conclusion (men who own more shoes aren’t really men). Classic fallacy.
True story, Joe.
I myself have three pairs. One for rain, one for shine, and one for messy work/painting.
I own 2 pairs of shoes. One set nice black work boots that I wear almost every day. And one pair Converse boots for messy work and running.
(Yes I run in boots deal with it.)
For once I agree with Joe here. Having multiple pairs of shoes does not make you less of a man. I have sneakers, dress shoes, boots, and slippers, plus sandals. That’s 5 pairs of shoes already.
I am with Joe on this one. Anytime any man anywhere ever states the words, “If you do/don’t do (x) then you are less of a man” they are just degrading themselves.
Thank you for those words of wisdom, Joe. *Slow clap*
Sneaky Willis, not tagging cameos! I’m so surprised I missed the first panel there XD
Why is Joe wearing Dina’s shirt???
Coming from Joe that is DEEPLY ironic. Considering his entire personal identity, as well as manhood, seems to be entirely constructed around chasing sex.
I really need to stop commenting on old comics that I’m rereading.
And yet I have not yet, as I reread through the archives yet again. I failed to mention here that Joe DOES have a point though. Still is a bit ironic though but moreso vs his Walkyverse incarnation than this one necessarily. But it does still hold up, he was judging Danny pretty hard for not following his libido. It seemed like “guy” reasons to me, but I’ll admit Joe’s grown a lot, so it could just be Joe thinking sex is that important. Which is just as silly.
joe is surprisingly cool. dumb jock stereotype destroyed
he may seem like a super bro, but he just wrecked the stupid bro rules about shoes
though i only have one pair, but thats because i hate going to stores because im socially broken
i am barely 2 steps above dina, so its not because of dude rules, i watch shoujo anime and slashfics, dude rules matter not