Bill is totally dead. The Doctor used her as a human shield as part of their plan (her idea, actually), and it wound up backfiring. See, Nardole has actually been working with Missy to double-cross the Doctor and leave him stranded, and it all comes together in the latest episode. Bill was shot, died in the Doctor’s arms, and Missy made extra-sure she won’t be coming back. On top of all that, the TARDIS has been stolen, leaving the Doctor stranded on a frozen planet, severely wounded.
no i have something that makes me a “super taster” which mostly means i have way more taste buds than most people. most people with it hate the taste of booze, coffee, and brussel sprouts. well those are the three most likely to be disliked by people with this mild anomoly
i remember learning i had this oddity. the whole science class was given a paper and everyone popped it in their mouth. i gagged so badly it was foul but nobody else tasted whatever chemicals or whatever it was that was on it. even when the guy across the table took mine and tried.
yeah that chemical. While the super taster is interesting to a degree to some people it is not something i care enough about to remember the name of the chemical being tasted.
It’s a weird thing to describe to other people, isn’t it! To me, brussels sprouts, cabbage, and spinach are all unpalatable by themselves, and celery just tastes like pepper straight from the shaker.
Salt your coffee. Seriously, that smooths it right out. I can’t drink coffee black without it.
Once again, demonstrating the power the concept of ‘FREE PIZZA’ has on the college student mind.
(Yes, yes, I know, it’s being paid for by their college meal programs, but in the end SOMEONE always pays for the pizza, right? It’s an effectively unlimited supply of pizza that the student pays nothing out-of-pocket for, the effect is the same.)
I mean, it depends on what type of grade-school cafeteria pizza you had… at my school, every Wednesday was pizza day, but it cycled through different types of pizza, and I remember two types being gross– Mexican pizza and some type that had a bunch of weird vegetables on it. Oh, and I think one year we had Chuck-E-Cheese personal pizzas that came in their own boxes and had cheese like plastic.
Ten year old me would’ve straight up shot someone for the grade-school cafeteria pizza on a stuffed crust pizza day, though.
Elementary school Mexican pizza is one of the cruelest things ever done to children. “Yay, it’s pizza day! Oh, Mexican pizza? What’s that? Well, it’s pizza, so why no– oh crap, what is this????”
And then you couldn’t get anything else, even if you hated it.
i would get half my friends square pizza for half my peanut butter and syrup sandwich. i would eat them with the pizza on top of the sandwich. of course this was in elementary school.
I hated sweet stuff (like jelly) as a kid so I used to eat peanut butter and butter sandwiches. Now that I’m a parent myself, I’m kind of shocked my mom agreed to make that for me for so long.
You had different kinds? My elementary school just bought a stack of extremely thin plain cheese XXL party pizzas from the local greasy pizza joint. We’re talking sub-Little-Ceasars here. Sure, each piece was pretty big but it tasted like bread with Hunts sauce on it. What you wanted there was Breakfast for Lunch (french toast, sausage links, hash browns, and maple syrup) or the Not-McRib they made with formed meat patties and hamburger buns.
Were your rectangle pizzas anything like Elio’s frozen pizzas?
I literally ate that stuff five times a week for several years. My grade school had it as a option every day, and while some of the other things may have been better, at least you knew what you were getting with the pizza.
Granted, what you were getting was linoleum covered in rubber cement, dotted with pencil erasers trying to pass as pepperoni, but still, consistent.
I feel like there’s probably a misunderstanding going on? Or just vastly different experiences I suppose, but even then. What did kids go at lunch time in your grade school?
Church basement for several years, although they did serve food.
After remodeling the buildings we got an actual cafeteria, though oddly they cut the hot lunch program at the same time. They ordered food out on different days, though. On Tuesdays you could get Hungry Howie’s pizza. They expanded that to a limited selection with no customization from Wendy’s on… Wednesday? You got a slip and had to turn it in on Monday with your orders for restaurant days for the week.
I believe they still do the restaurant thing at that school, but now there’s something every day.
I lived 4 blocks from Elementary school & 2 blocks from Jr. High. Walked home for lunch! 😀
Lived 15 minutes or so from High School, so usually ate some junk food in the cafeteria or rode home in a friends car. We lived in the sweet spot of the town. ‘Course, 2 of the 3 Jr Highs are closed now. Mine was torn down for a Retirement Home, and the remaining Jr High is now on the far side of the town I grew up in. The years have not been good for it, population wise.
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Our gym doubled as a lunch room. Had metal tables with benches that folded out the walls somehow. (forget exactly how they did it) You had to bring a bag lunch though, the kitchen was smaller than in most homes. I mostly remember it was used to make Hot Chocolate in the Winter for those of us on the Safety Patrol. (Crossing Guards at the nearby street intersections in the neighborhood)
Tripled, here. There was a stage built off one end with storage underneath for the chairs. At assemblies.and performances we’d look at the steel beams overhead and wonder when errant kickballs or balloons would come back to Earth.
It seemed huge, but I haven’t been there since 4th grade; it may have gotten smaller.
Did we go to the same school? Our “multi-purpose room”‘s stage hadn’t been used as one since the Johnson administration; it was just fancy storage. The staircases and landings for catwalk access were converted into (pathetic) offices for PE and the guidance councelor.
Every so often, one of the big kids in gym class would hit the pipes up by the ceiling with something, and make a little asbestos flurry. (This was 25 years ago, mind you.) Good times.
Not giving my age, but I was at this school during the *Johnson administration. Catholic K-8, so assemblies, Christmas and holiday pageants, and masses kept the stage occupied, plus the occaisional talent show.
My elementary school cafeteria used to be a gym. There was still a basketball hoop screwed into the wall, but we had had an entire separate gym for years, so I was never sure why they left it there. It was basically just asking for kids to throw food at it and then get in trouble.
I know different schools will have different lunch experiences, but I find it surprising that it would be surprising for an elementary school to have a cafeteria. Also, I’m curious how long ago you were in school? Just because by the time I was in school, the days of being able to go home for lunch in my school district were long gone.
Some schools don’t! My elementary school was built on an old orange grove site and instead of a cafeteria we just had an outdoor eating area (which we literally called the orange grove as it was what was left of the old grove) with benches and orange trees. There were tables set up where the hot lunch would be doled out (usually just brought my own lunch though).
I’ve actually NEVER had a cafeteria in school. Junior high (same school) didn’t even have a dedicated eating area. There were two spots with benches/tables and kids would also eat on the cement assembly steps. High school there was a covered area with tables and a few other outdoor spots. We had a food truck (not one of the awesome trendy food trucks of today, but pre-food-truck-trend greasy burger/taco/fries truck) that’d stop by at lunch time.
And my college was so tiny (small art school) that we had no on-campus food other than vending machines. Most people would just drive somewhere local for lunch (nowhere within walking distance to eat sadly).
I assume indoor cafeterias are more common in places with cold winters and I guess in hot/temperate areas with little rain/snow like Southern California outdoor eating areas are more common?
I assume that college wasn’t residential? No dorms/living on campus. You can’t really do that without having food available. We weren’t even allowed to have cars on campus as freshmen. We all would have starved – or died from scurvy just eating from vending machines.
my elementary school everyone had to pack a lunch, but in middle school there was a cafeteria. they never had quite enough for the whole school, though, so you had to be quick to get your one slice of pizza or you’d be stuck with some other crap nobody wanted (I can’t remember what that was, so maybe it was bad enough I preferred to go hungry?)
in college, though, the pizza was more weapon than food. seriously, I could not chew through half the crust.
The cafeteria food at my college was not good. They remodeled it while I was there and expanded it, including adding a pizza station that was there every day.
I was so jealous of all the on-campus food options at big state schools/universities. Tiny art school on a canyon road = nothing but vending machines and no food within walking distance except a cheese shop.
My elementary school (grades 4-7), we just ate our lunches at our desks, same as in primary school.
Every so often we’d be able to buy chicken noodle soup in a styrofoam cup, which of course would drip onto the desk. We’d grab some paper towel or what and wipe it up, of course, but still, all the desks always smelled of it.
Made things a bit weird when we put our heads down on our desks (the usual thing to do if we finished our work early, which is weird, looking back on it now).
Junior high had an area we could hang out in near the lockers to eat, not having one desk per kid for the whole day; but they didn’t have enough tables for everyone (either that or cliques/cool kids would take them over so they were never filled to capacity), so mostly I ate my lunch sitting on the floor and leaning against the wall.
Having an actual dedicated lunch room in senior high was really weird. They did sell some food, but only hot dogs (fifty cents each), and I’m not even sure that was every day. Didn’t matter, though, because each time Norm would get there first and buy like ten of them, so only a few other kids would be able to get any.
Why on earth they didn’t just make more of them I have no idea.
But the school cafeterias you see on TV and in Archie comics and what? Where you have a tray and get a bunch of hot food on a plate? Totally alien to me. For me, you packed a lunch, or you starved. Didn’t see an actual cafeteria until college (where they’d jacked the prices so high few of us could afford to eat anyways–seriously, $7 for a cheeseburger, and this was in the early Nineties!).
Blah blah, uphill in the snow, both ways, get off my lawn.
The “pizza” at my grade school was some kind of ground beef and cheese casserole, bearing very little resemblance to pizza. Layer of crust, layer of ground beef, roughly an inch and a half thick, later of cheese roughly half an inch thick. I’m honestly surprised we didn’t all die of cholesterol poisoning by high school.
My grade school “pizza” had cheese that basically resembled plastic, in both taste and texture. I am jealous of those of you who had decent grade school pizza.
You could literally peel the cheese off in a single thin plasticy sheet. It was so gross. Ugh.
Not all colleges have brand-name restaurant stalls. Mine doesn’t. Instead If I want I can just walk across the street and get something from one of the multiple non-chain restaurants that are on the other side of the street.
At my college the dining halls had stations, so you’d pay or use your meal plan to get into the dining hall and then get whatever from any to all of the stations. All the dining halls had a station that had pizza, I’m pretty sure.
My college was the same, there were stations at the cafeteria that you could choose what kind of food you wanted from, and one of them was always pizza.
i went to one where there were 2 cafeterias. one was the usual stuff and the other was run by the cullinary students and the prices were noticably lower since it was also their classroom so to speak and they might take a long time vs what you would normally want. and the teachers actually liked when we were picky on our orders so to speak to give them a challenge.
It was the same where I went. Even the small dining hall that was by my building that pretty much had the same stuff every day and one specialty item every night had a dedicated pizza station. The pizza wasn’t as good as even the pizza at the dining halls that were actually on central campus and not like half a mile away by the cheap dorm, but still.
Oh, but you were talking about stuff specifically inside the dining.
My college dining hall had a kick-ass salad bar, but the other food was lackluster. Which suited me just fine!
Even if there is, dorms often come with meal plans. Once you have said meal plans, the dorm cafeteria food is already paid for, where the pizza place isn’t*.
*Assuming they have one, it’s not like even large colleges necessarily have that much to choose from on campus.
I suspect in college it depends largely on the size of the dorm. And also when you were there. My freshman year, we had one big cafeteria for a bunch of linked dorms. The food tended to be lousy, but there was lots of choice.
My later years in a small dorm with its own cafe, the food was generally better, but it was more like a sit down dinner with a time and a menu. You were out of luck if that day’s was nasty or just something you didn’t like. OTOH, they cooked breakfast to order, so that was usually worth getting up for.
This was back in the 80s.
I think a lot of places have moved more to bringing chain restaurants into the dining halls now.
Fancy indeed. Do you know what they did yesterday when I was organizing a pitchfork mob?
They showed up with a bloody Timahawk! Can you believe it? First they’re too good for pitchforks, now they’re too good for grade-school cafeteria pizza. The bloody nerve!
Depending on the supplier, you don’t even have to cut it. I’ve worked in the cafeteria of my old school, and the pizza they get comes in a large box, you open the box, open the bag take the slabs out, and, while still frozen, tear them along the pre-scored perforations (because no school cafeteria has time to cut those rectangles) into individual slices, and arrange on the sheet pans to pop in the oven.
I can so imagine the follow-up to the “It’s pregnancy!” strips* being Walky following his kids to school to eat the cheap grade-school cafeteria pizza.
The current most common variety is actually a prescored sheet designed to be broken into individual servings, while frozen, before baking. Those individual 4″x6″ servings will comfortably fit in a toaster over. The older version of this type of product (which is still on the market), meanwhile, was indeed designed to be cooked as a single sheet tray sized slab then cut as you describe.
Now the size and cost of a case is something I can understand being a problem (just under 100 servings for about $100 after shipping). If you can find something like eight people to divide the costs and the pizza between however…. Or, ya know, just go buy the Tony’s pizzas they sell at the super market since they are literally the same product and brand name, just cut as rounds rather than rectangles and packaged for retail.
Two more things…
1. that should be “toaster oven.”
2. be aware that these products have changed their ingredients significantly since the ’80s so no longer taste quite the same as they did back then…
As an addendum to that second point, your palate will also have changed significantly since the ’80s so even the exact same product composed from the exact same ingredients will in all probability not taste the same as an adult.
I completely missed the “oven” part. Not missed that you used the wrong word, missed that there was a second word at all.
I was imagining inserting pizza slices into a slot toaster and what a terrible idea this was and why would you suggest such a thing and had you tried it.
It’s a supposed life hack that you can lay the toaster on its side, however I would not recommend this, especially on surfaces that can be damaged by heat, like most countertops
It kinda works. You need to buffer the space between counter and toaster (with a folded dishtowel or tea towel or two for example) and many modern toasters have slightly sloped sides rather than straight perpendicular ones so you need to compensate for that. That said, toasters aren’t designed to work in that position not to cook anything that exudes grease (like say pizza) so it’s also a nasty fire risk. Otherwise it does work for a short, quick occasional use in that position.
1.) This does not surprise me.
2.) This also does not surprise me.
3.) If not for the fact that shipping frozen perishable foods is a pain in the butt, I would absolutely split an order.
Your tweets about food make me feel better about having roughly the same diet, except sub energy drinks for alcohol.
Oo! stray thought! Let’s see if it survives articulation.
I think that until now, Joe has been brushing off this ‘new Danny’ thing as Danny just being silly Danny, same as always. But I think when Danny straight up told Joe that he was bisexual, he had to face the music.
Not that Danny was an inherently different person than he used to be, but like, I feel like for the first time, Joe is looking at Danny and realizing that over this time, Danny has changed. And he wasn’t there for it, he wasn’t part of it. He wouldn’t have let himself be part of it if he had the chance . . . and he DID.
And I think that looking at Danny, and seeing how he’s evolved over time, has had a . . . Sobering? Sobering influence on Joe.
Perhaps he’s starting to realize now that the different person that he’s tried to build up over time is fake, and that Danny, who he’s been sort of eyerolling for not ‘growing up,’ is the one who has changed, while he remains the same scared kid, hidden behind a wall of protective awful?
I fourth(or fifth, knowing my tendency to revise these) this, I was reading it similarly and you definitely articulated it better than I could’ve even started to.
If Joe’s performance with Walkerton in gender studies is any indication, he’ll create an entirely fake apology and state he’s learned his lesson about rating women.
And there wouldn’t be any problem with that. Everyone rates internally, even if they only do it subconsciously and don’t actually attach a number to it. I preemptively name anyone who claims otherwise a liar.
Most people don’t dwell on people who they are neither grossed out by nor attracted to that way. Unless they invite themselves to be thought of that way.
My college cafeteria had good pizzas, not fresh-made, but like the decent frozen ones you can get in grocery stores.
They only ever served them on parents’ weekend.
The rest of the time, the “pizzas” were literally French bread, soggy from the steam warmer, with ketchup and a little bit of melted cheese on them.
I think I’ve mentioned before that the food service we had has been ruled unconstitutional to use in prisons on grounds of cruel and unusual punishment.
Two things Danny are doing here: One, he’s allowing himself to indulge a bit in self-satisfaction. A bit. I’ll let him have it, he’s hardly ever had those moments so far in his life anyway.
But also, he’s taking a bit of a chance to see if Joe’s response; to see if today really is making Joe more vulnerable than ever, to see if Joe’s armour of toxic masculinity really is cracked. Because let’s face it, Joe could easily have taken that in a completely different direction. He could easily have derided Danny for it; it has been his modus operandi so far anyway.
But Joe did not.
“No, he wouldn’t have.
That moment, those four words are why Danny did it all for Joe: To let Joe understand that they are indeed Friends. To let Joe understand that Danny did in fact do a lot for him today that he had no obligation to do. It might seem small compared to what Joe should do (like, buying Danny’s pizzas for the rest of the semester), but that moment of genuine, raw gratitude, with all fakery and macho bravado burned away… It seems so little, yet counts for so much.
IME, cafeteria pizza isn’t even as good as frozen pizzas.
(Ranking: Pizzeria, homemade by someone competent, frozen, homemade by someone who can’t make pizza, Lunchables-style ‘pizza’, sandwiches made with pepperoni and processed cheese slices, cafeteria.)
On an unrelated note, back in grade and middle school in Norway, I only ever had packed lunches, because we had no lunch cafeterias. Never a single slice of pizza ever. Not even the cheap and greasy kind.
I know we’re all supposed to hate Danny for vague reasons, but I’m starting to think he’s the most heroic character in the whole comic, in that he reaches out to people, even problematic people, and attempts to help them.
The moral of Dumbing of Age as a series is that toxic people aren’t worth the effort, and there’s some truth to that, but it’s still nice to see someone try.
Danny has actively try to get past(with varying success) the vague reasons in this universe.
In the previous one the problem was he kept biting down until the vague reasons were as obvious as the missing hand on the metaphorical arm he was biting. (Well, that’s how my interpretation goes, your mileage may vary.)
“The moral of Dumbing of Age as a series is that toxic people aren’t worth the effort”
Well, a moral.
Another one is that toxic people can change, usually if given the right stimulus. Joyce and Hank are the most obvious ones that come to mind just now.
Which way Joe’s about to go is anyone’s guess just now. Mine is: he’s got Danny in his corner and while Danny’s lost all tolerance for Joe’s shit he’s the sort of friend who’s ready to be there long term to counter it, as long as there’s progress. (Witness: Danny’s changing-but-mostly-careful views of Amber.) If there isn’t any, Joe’s in for a long stay in a similar pit to the one Robin’s in.
(and I’ll admit: as a long-time follower of Joyce from PSL days, I saw her panic around the queer members of the floor as quirky rather than toxic. then Becky, and: ah. btw, dammit, Willis, you do this well.)
I don’t see how Danny’s views on Amber have changed. Just two days ago he tore through all her mythology by plainly telling her that everything good about Amazi-Girl comes from her, and yesterday he tried to talk to her again and only walked away when she stonewalled him. It’s not like he wants to cut her out of his life or anything, and it’s doubtful he ever goes through with it.
Uh… I’ll just underline Fart Captor’s response. I think maybe you understood “pay grade” in terms of relationship where I was meaning it in terms of support ability? Amber is awesome and deserves all the things, like fer eg a Danny who’s as sharp as Leslie.
Amber needing professional help doesn’t mean friends are useless to her, or that it’s stupid for her friends to stick around.
Like, someone needing to go to the hospital does not render first aid pointless. Someone at the scene who puts pressure on a bleeding wound is just as responsible for saving a person’s life as the doctor who actually treats it.
>Joyce and Hank are the most obvious ones that come to mind just now.
Neither of which have ever been presented as a toxic person, and neither of which had anyone reaching out to them to help them change; they changed on their own. And honestly, neither changed that much. Joyce hasn’t become more accepting of LGBT people, it was more her realizing for anti-gay her church is and moving away from it.
Villains in DoA are pretty much 100% pure irredeemably evil (Mary, ToeDad, Joyce’s mom, Ruth’s grandpa, etc), and characters like Joe and Joyce are pretty clearly good guys with flaws.
Extreme weight gain, acne, bowel problems, diabetes, gout…
I guess you could make sure you get a lot of variety on your pizza, maybe try to go for low-fat options, and hope you can exercise enough to cancel out constant pizza consumption.
 
In fairness to Jacob, I don’t think he would have been able to grok how he was supposed to behave. Even if he had, it would almost certainly not have had the same emotional resonance as when Danny did it.
Just as pizza is comfort food, Danny was indulging Joe with comfort behaviors.
Also, can I just mention, Panel 4. Joe realizes that no, Jacob wouldn’t have done this. He realizes why Jacob wouldn’t have done this. Even more than before, it hits him — with that one realization — that Jacob, a person he admires, would not condone this childishness.
And that’s important. And it’s beautiful, and even kind of sad, but in a happy way.
I worked in a high school and was able to procure some frozen rectangle pizza for my personal use. It’s still pretty good! But my favorite is the one my high school had, “Little Charlies” mini personal deep dish pizzas. Which I have seen for sale occasionally in places, but the Red Baron Deep Dish personal pizzas are pretty comparable.
Oh I remember eating Red Baron. Was cooking using a dutch oven, so I took 3-4 pizzas, and layered them on top of each other. It was great. Mini Personal Deep Dishes are good too
I’ve got German blood in me, both sides. I grew up in suburban northeastern US, and was raised Catholic. All the Italian kids I knew had grandmothers who still cooked from scratch because that’s how one fed a family. They didn’t have to “rediscover” it.
I am, to this day, flabbergasted that Red Baron pizza exists. There’s no Nana Marie’s sauerbraten, is there?
She is addictive, I was trying out colors for a drawing earlier, and just decided: Okay, I like it, but what if Becky?
Then came the tag search for Becky minus plaid(because A. Lazy and B. Not right for character), and then the realization that more often than not Plaid Becky is best Becky.
Eventually I had to just admit that it was an excuse to reread Becky’s greatest hits.
if you say it outloud willis might hide becky away for a few months. or maybe not since he if i remember right is a couple months ahead comic wise but people seem to like to blame and or curse willis so i thought it might fit here.
He DID suggest that he increased the amount of Becky out of spite that one time when people got fed up with her…
So… um… Man, that Becky, isn’t she just the worst. I just hate how… stupidly lopsidedly orange she is. It sure would show me if we got a lot of more Becky in the comic, ‘mIright?
Too obvious. I’d go the subtle route and kick off a week-long flame war about her. There may be some negative fallout, but the reward may just be worth it.
Don’t make me work out how long we’ve had to go without Sylvia over at Wilde Life at times. Months, sometimes.
*wistful sigh*
(anyone who didn’t pick up on Paz when she dropped her awesome fanart portrait of Sierra way back when, you’ve been missing out. come on over, the water’s good.)
If you have doofus abstinence, you can check out Patton Oswalt’s current twitter feed. He recently got engaged, and he and his fiancee are some seriously dorky DOOOOFUSES! They play board games and everything. In fact, Patton proposed by taping notes on the back of Quirkle tiles.
Oh trust me, whatever white-yellow thing that American cafeteria pizzas use to cover the sauce with, most Western countries would -not- allow to be classified as cheese.
Little secret: Because cafeteria pizza has tomato sauce, the US Department of Education considers it to be a vegetable for legally required nutrition servings.
Intelligence is knowing that tomatoes are a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put them in a fruit salad, philosophy is wondering if that makes Ketchup a smoothie.
Strength is being able to crush a tomato. Dexterity is being able to dodge a tomato. Constitution is being able to eat a bad tomato. Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put a tomato in a fruit salad. Charisma is being able to sell a tomato based fruit salad.
“Vegetable” isn’t a biological classification anyway. This whole argument is a bit like people squabbling over whether chickens are avians or livestock.
Just two different definitions colliding.
In the botanical sense, a lot of vegetables are fruit: zucchini, peppers, beans, … are all fruit. in German they have the umbrella-term “Fruchtgemüse” indicating that they are used as vegetables but are fruit botanically speaking.
Nah, I have an allergy to cheese (not dairy, just cheese due to the mould in it) that gives me flu symptoms when I eat it. So now my metric for ‘Is this cheese?’ is whether or not I get sick. Most ‘fake’ cheese still does it – thankfully though a couple things don’t (Cheesies/Cheetos, Crunchits, and Doritos don’t bother me – there was a couple years where they did, but they must’ve switched to a different fake cheese or something because it no longer does).
Danny, you too kind kid/adult, I hope you’re in the right.
Well, you feel in the right at this moment, that’s good. I just hope Joe is worth it.
Or, you know, isn’t not worth it to the point where your friendship will end very badly for you. (Not only emotionally.)
… Yeah this is another of these comments where I realize the situation is reminding me of something that happened in real life. Just… be well, Danny.
Oh hey I’m happy to see you there ! I wanted to say sorry for the misunderstanding yesterday.
(I say “happy” because I considered engaging you in another comment but that felt wrong, like I was forcing it, whereas now you answered my comment it feels right ! … Is there an Internet manners guide somewhere ?)
Hey, it’s all good! Like I said yesterday, I don’t have your experiences, and you have some shit to deal with in your life that I don’t. That sometimes means we’ll interpret things differently. That’s all.
And I hope you are being well too. And if you ever need up to and including a hug from an internet stranger, I’m offering.
Or if you prefer that I lay waste to all of your enemies instead… Well, I am pretty good at making plans that are cold, swift, and absolutely ridiculous.
And for the record, I did go back and checked yesterday’s comic and saw your latest comment there. I really appreciate that you voiced your thoughts to me like that. It clarified a lot.
Our plan for revenge was outliving everyone we hated. Considering we’re middle-aged, and most of the people pissing us off are/were older than us, it’s working pretty well so far!
Nope. Because I had a homemade meat lovers-style pizza for dinner. Also, the only really good thing about cafeteria pizza was the crust, and only when served warm.
I’m confused…what’s with the Jacob comment? I feel like I SHOULD know,and I skimmed through the comments and everyone else seems to know…is there a strip I’m forgetting? (I know Joe’s been hanging out with Jacob, but I missed the “Jacob vs. Danny” comparison.)
Joe has been hanging out with Jacob because he thought that Jacob, being attractive and all that, was like him into demeaning girls to pick them up. I even wondered if Joe didn’t mention being searching for a “new best friend”.
Danny probably felt very attacked by this, and is trying to assert that he likes Joe despite his flaws whereas Jacob would have let him down for them.
Well, Joe once did proclaim that Jacob was his “new main man”, indicating that Danny no longer held that position.
Of course, -Jacob- has not ever really been acting like they’re close, more like Joe’s someone he tolerates and has to call out every now and then. And Jacob would… Well, he might have done -something- if he was in Danny’s position, but it would not involve taking any of Joe’s crap, and it would involve a lot of really harsh words for Joe…
…And while you can make a (very) good argument that Joe probably needs those things, there’s also the problem that those things can also backfire, in that Joe might just further retreat into his shell of toxic masculinity, and decide to cut off Jacob instead.
Anyway, Jacob would not treat Joe anywhere nearly as patiently as Danny has done. And Joe’s just now realised just what sort of sacrifice Danny has done today on account of their long friendship.
Probably not. All I know is, it’s mentally and emotionally exhausting to spend an hour trying to talk someone out of a shitty pizza, just because they like a couple of the toppings. Like, I will help you get a different, better pizza. There is absolutely nothing you can get from this pizza that you can’t get from another one that actually has all the right toppings, the right sauce, and the perfect crust. But hey, if you like pepperoni, who am I to stand in your way, even though you don’t like mushrooms, barbecue sauce, and thin crust? Eat your gross pizza you only enjoy a single part of, I’ll be over here with my garlic parmesan-sauce, stuffed-crust, chicken and bacon pizza, moaning loudly while I eat it.
In my experience, “male bonding” consists of forced stereotypical behavior, even if nobody involved actually cares about that behavior, usually resulting in everyone sticking with it a little too long and ending up in a weird mood.
Back in elementary school, we had biweekly Pizza Days, and the pizza came from the local New Orleans. We had no cafeteria (although for the Hot Dog Days that happened on the weeks without pizza, hot dogs were boiled at the school).
Those Days eventually got phased out in favour of…ugh, wraps.
There seems to be a “resigned to his fate” look to his pose in the last panel, which is good as it means hes somewhat ready to receive the scorn he deserves
Though I suspect he may not be ready for the amount of scorn hes going to get but that’s good, it’ll give a chance for the women to vent their spleens and it’ll reinforce the lessons Joes learning
And if Joe is scorned enough Joyce might take pity on him and they might start dating again…ok probably not but dammit I want JoJo!
Unless Raidah starts acting like a gigantic thunder c**t then I don’t see Jacob breaking up with her because they seem like a stable couple
Besides Joyce seems, through the power of Hollywood, the type to want to “save” the bad boy and rehabilitate them and I think theres probably unfinished business between
I mean Joe has some sort of feelings for Joyce based on how he reacted when Joyce questioned him and Joyce probably has some regret over she reacted on their date
Hell I’d join Patreon if there was a strip of Joe and Joyce having a normal date
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Joe decides that facing the music is better than facing the whatever-the-hell-Danny’s-doing-to-that-ukulele.
Again, Danny can already play some sweet chords.
That’s right, I’m going to haunt you and ruin your jokes FOREVER!
Or until I get bored.
Nahh, it’ll be forever.
Your just jealous because I’m president of Earth, and you’re only Emperor of the United States.
Emperor of the Internet, thank you very much.
And you’re no president, you’re just a doctor.
So are you related to the Emperor or Empress Norton?
Cool. I hadn’t heard of the Widow Norton before.
If this is Emperor Norton of internet fame then I guess they are running a successful anti-virus empire.
You don’t get to brag about that, you don’t even want to be President of Earth
Didn’t want to be president of Gallifrey either, didn’t stop me.
Also it’s your fault Bill died
(oh, that was low. hit a man while/where he’s hurting, whydoncha?)
I like to think of myself as an asshole
Found Mike’s handle.
Yep.
Actually, that’s really the fault of my favorite Timelord.
Twice.
Credit where it’s due, show some respect for the (currently, very probably, maybe…) deceased.
Uh.. I hope to heavens you didn’t just spoiler me.. 🙁
I’m guessing so, but I haven’t watched either so if that’s the case I’m kinda pissed.
Technically I’m totally lying.
Bill is totally dead. The Doctor used her as a human shield as part of their plan (her idea, actually), and it wound up backfiring. See, Nardole has actually been working with Missy to double-cross the Doctor and leave him stranded, and it all comes together in the latest episode. Bill was shot, died in the Doctor’s arms, and Missy made extra-sure she won’t be coming back. On top of all that, the TARDIS has been stolen, leaving the Doctor stranded on a frozen planet, severely wounded.
Also, Nardole is betrayed by Missy, but Clara and Lady Me save him at the last second.
Like Bwtf#.
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-7/04-the-do-list/ukulele/
*imagines Danny playing the theme to The Godfather*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMdxWRexbbQ
Not bad if played by a decent musician.
“gotta jet, I’ve passed my feels quota for the year”
You gotta save those feels for important things, like cat videos.
Then he’ll comment on those videos that he “willl have to wrestle a t-werckz to recover his masculinity”
pizza helps a lot of situations
Better than drowning your sorrows in booze.
people with my type of tongue often dislike booze so i cant argue with you there.
Are you secretly a Reptoid? It’s OK if you are, we won’t tell.
no i have something that makes me a “super taster” which mostly means i have way more taste buds than most people. most people with it hate the taste of booze, coffee, and brussel sprouts. well those are the three most likely to be disliked by people with this mild anomoly
I know someone who makes a lot of money off being a super taster. I forget what it is that he professionally tastes, though.
i remember learning i had this oddity. the whole science class was given a paper and everyone popped it in their mouth. i gagged so badly it was foul but nobody else tasted whatever chemicals or whatever it was that was on it. even when the guy across the table took mine and tried.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylthiocarbamide
Most interesting bit: Chimpanzees and Humans completely separately evolved the trait of being unable to taste it.
yeah that chemical. While the super taster is interesting to a degree to some people it is not something i care enough about to remember the name of the chemical being tasted.
Bummer – because I love booze, coffee, and brussel sprouts.
It’s a weird thing to describe to other people, isn’t it! To me, brussels sprouts, cabbage, and spinach are all unpalatable by themselves, and celery just tastes like pepper straight from the shaker.
Salt your coffee. Seriously, that smooths it right out. I can’t drink coffee black without it.
Once again, demonstrating the power the concept of ‘FREE PIZZA’ has on the college student mind.
(Yes, yes, I know, it’s being paid for by their college meal programs, but in the end SOMEONE always pays for the pizza, right? It’s an effectively unlimited supply of pizza that the student pays nothing out-of-pocket for, the effect is the same.)
It’s no grade-school cafeteria pizza…
… and thank God for that.
BANNED
I mean, it depends on what type of grade-school cafeteria pizza you had… at my school, every Wednesday was pizza day, but it cycled through different types of pizza, and I remember two types being gross– Mexican pizza and some type that had a bunch of weird vegetables on it. Oh, and I think one year we had Chuck-E-Cheese personal pizzas that came in their own boxes and had cheese like plastic.
Ten year old me would’ve straight up shot someone for the grade-school cafeteria pizza on a stuffed crust pizza day, though.
Oh god, I’d mentally blocked out school cafeteria mexican pizza, whyyyyyy
Elementary school Mexican pizza is one of the cruelest things ever done to children. “Yay, it’s pizza day! Oh, Mexican pizza? What’s that? Well, it’s pizza, so why no– oh crap, what is this????”
And then you couldn’t get anything else, even if you hated it.
i would get half my friends square pizza for half my peanut butter and syrup sandwich. i would eat them with the pizza on top of the sandwich. of course this was in elementary school.
… peanut butter and syrup?
That sounds kinda icky. And messy.
and tasty. although syrup and honey are interchangable for it.
I loved PB&H sandwiches as a kid.
Even better. Peanut Butter and Marshmallow. They make a marshmallow spread and it tastes great with peanut butter on a sandwhich
The ultimate variation on this theme is panini with Nutella and honey. It’s a very sticky sandwich, but so worth the mess.
I hated sweet stuff (like jelly) as a kid so I used to eat peanut butter and butter sandwiches. Now that I’m a parent myself, I’m kind of shocked my mom agreed to make that for me for so long.
You had different kinds? My elementary school just bought a stack of extremely thin plain cheese XXL party pizzas from the local greasy pizza joint. We’re talking sub-Little-Ceasars here. Sure, each piece was pretty big but it tasted like bread with Hunts sauce on it. What you wanted there was Breakfast for Lunch (french toast, sausage links, hash browns, and maple syrup) or the Not-McRib they made with formed meat patties and hamburger buns.
Were your rectangle pizzas anything like Elio’s frozen pizzas?
At my elementary school the pizza was lightly roastws glue and cardboard. Now in high school, that pizza was the bomb.
I literally ate that stuff five times a week for several years. My grade school had it as a option every day, and while some of the other things may have been better, at least you knew what you were getting with the pizza.
Granted, what you were getting was linoleum covered in rubber cement, dotted with pencil erasers trying to pass as pepperoni, but still, consistent.
Same stuff was served at mine, but I took my chances with the other stuff, which was usually much better, if not flavorful
We’d pick off the pepperoni and just eat that and either give the rest of the pizza to somebody else or just throw it away.
Your grade schools had cafeterias????
I feel like there’s probably a misunderstanding going on? Or just vastly different experiences I suppose, but even then. What did kids go at lunch time in your grade school?
Church basement for several years, although they did serve food.
After remodeling the buildings we got an actual cafeteria, though oddly they cut the hot lunch program at the same time. They ordered food out on different days, though. On Tuesdays you could get Hungry Howie’s pizza. They expanded that to a limited selection with no customization from Wendy’s on… Wednesday? You got a slip and had to turn it in on Monday with your orders for restaurant days for the week.
I believe they still do the restaurant thing at that school, but now there’s something every day.
I lived 4 blocks from Elementary school & 2 blocks from Jr. High. Walked home for lunch! 😀
Lived 15 minutes or so from High School, so usually ate some junk food in the cafeteria or rode home in a friends car. We lived in the sweet spot of the town. ‘Course, 2 of the 3 Jr Highs are closed now. Mine was torn down for a Retirement Home, and the remaining Jr High is now on the far side of the town I grew up in. The years have not been good for it, population wise.
Home, outdoors, or gym, depending.
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Our gym doubled as a lunch room. Had metal tables with benches that folded out the walls somehow. (forget exactly how they did it) You had to bring a bag lunch though, the kitchen was smaller than in most homes. I mostly remember it was used to make Hot Chocolate in the Winter for those of us on the Safety Patrol. (Crossing Guards at the nearby street intersections in the neighborhood)
Tripled, here. There was a stage built off one end with storage underneath for the chairs. At assemblies.and performances we’d look at the steel beams overhead and wonder when errant kickballs or balloons would come back to Earth.
It seemed huge, but I haven’t been there since 4th grade; it may have gotten smaller.
Did we go to the same school? Our “multi-purpose room”‘s stage hadn’t been used as one since the Johnson administration; it was just fancy storage. The staircases and landings for catwalk access were converted into (pathetic) offices for PE and the guidance councelor.
Every so often, one of the big kids in gym class would hit the pipes up by the ceiling with something, and make a little asbestos flurry. (This was 25 years ago, mind you.) Good times.
Not giving my age, but I was at this school during the *Johnson administration. Catholic K-8, so assemblies, Christmas and holiday pageants, and masses kept the stage occupied, plus the occaisional talent show.
(*Lyndon Johnson, if anyone is asking.)
My elementary school cafeteria used to be a gym. There was still a basketball hoop screwed into the wall, but we had had an entire separate gym for years, so I was never sure why they left it there. It was basically just asking for kids to throw food at it and then get in trouble.
I know different schools will have different lunch experiences, but I find it surprising that it would be surprising for an elementary school to have a cafeteria. Also, I’m curious how long ago you were in school? Just because by the time I was in school, the days of being able to go home for lunch in my school district were long gone.
Some schools don’t! My elementary school was built on an old orange grove site and instead of a cafeteria we just had an outdoor eating area (which we literally called the orange grove as it was what was left of the old grove) with benches and orange trees. There were tables set up where the hot lunch would be doled out (usually just brought my own lunch though).
I’ve actually NEVER had a cafeteria in school. Junior high (same school) didn’t even have a dedicated eating area. There were two spots with benches/tables and kids would also eat on the cement assembly steps. High school there was a covered area with tables and a few other outdoor spots. We had a food truck (not one of the awesome trendy food trucks of today, but pre-food-truck-trend greasy burger/taco/fries truck) that’d stop by at lunch time.
And my college was so tiny (small art school) that we had no on-campus food other than vending machines. Most people would just drive somewhere local for lunch (nowhere within walking distance to eat sadly).
I assume indoor cafeterias are more common in places with cold winters and I guess in hot/temperate areas with little rain/snow like Southern California outdoor eating areas are more common?
I assume that college wasn’t residential? No dorms/living on campus. You can’t really do that without having food available. We weren’t even allowed to have cars on campus as freshmen. We all would have starved – or died from scurvy just eating from vending machines.
Yeah, no dorms. There were a few local apartment complexes that the students typically rented.
my elementary school everyone had to pack a lunch, but in middle school there was a cafeteria. they never had quite enough for the whole school, though, so you had to be quick to get your one slice of pizza or you’d be stuck with some other crap nobody wanted (I can’t remember what that was, so maybe it was bad enough I preferred to go hungry?)
in college, though, the pizza was more weapon than food. seriously, I could not chew through half the crust.
The cafeteria food at my college was not good. They remodeled it while I was there and expanded it, including adding a pizza station that was there every day.
I got pizza a lot because it was always edible.
I was so jealous of all the on-campus food options at big state schools/universities. Tiny art school on a canyon road = nothing but vending machines and no food within walking distance except a cheese shop.
I did not have that. Somewhere between the extremes, I s’pose.
Once I hit Jr High (grades 7-9) we had a cafeteria, but it was pay-for-your-food and I mostly hit it up for the doughnuts.
College outsourced a lot of the food services. Various chains and some one-off businesses. I made extensive use of the cafe in the engineering lounge.
My elementary school (grades 4-7), we just ate our lunches at our desks, same as in primary school.
Every so often we’d be able to buy chicken noodle soup in a styrofoam cup, which of course would drip onto the desk. We’d grab some paper towel or what and wipe it up, of course, but still, all the desks always smelled of it.
Made things a bit weird when we put our heads down on our desks (the usual thing to do if we finished our work early, which is weird, looking back on it now).
Junior high had an area we could hang out in near the lockers to eat, not having one desk per kid for the whole day; but they didn’t have enough tables for everyone (either that or cliques/cool kids would take them over so they were never filled to capacity), so mostly I ate my lunch sitting on the floor and leaning against the wall.
Having an actual dedicated lunch room in senior high was really weird. They did sell some food, but only hot dogs (fifty cents each), and I’m not even sure that was every day. Didn’t matter, though, because each time Norm would get there first and buy like ten of them, so only a few other kids would be able to get any.
Why on earth they didn’t just make more of them I have no idea.
But the school cafeterias you see on TV and in Archie comics and what? Where you have a tray and get a bunch of hot food on a plate? Totally alien to me. For me, you packed a lunch, or you starved. Didn’t see an actual cafeteria until college (where they’d jacked the prices so high few of us could afford to eat anyways–seriously, $7 for a cheeseburger, and this was in the early Nineties!).
Blah blah, uphill in the snow, both ways, get off my lawn.
Don’t you shit on the square pizza, sumbongo! We’ll come for you!
And yet that was actually the recipe at many schools…
Just complimenting you on an A+ name/profile pic.
The “pizza” at my grade school was some kind of ground beef and cheese casserole, bearing very little resemblance to pizza. Layer of crust, layer of ground beef, roughly an inch and a half thick, later of cheese roughly half an inch thick. I’m honestly surprised we didn’t all die of cholesterol poisoning by high school.
My grade school “pizza” had cheese that basically resembled plastic, in both taste and texture. I am jealous of those of you who had decent grade school pizza.
You could literally peel the cheese off in a single thin plasticy sheet. It was so gross. Ugh.
I’m sad that they apparently have a dining hall where it’s not pizza day every day.
This is college. Shouldn’t there be a Pizza Hutt in the cafeteria next to the Chick Fillet? Because there was in my college(s).
Not all colleges have brand-name restaurant stalls. Mine doesn’t. Instead If I want I can just walk across the street and get something from one of the multiple non-chain restaurants that are on the other side of the street.
Mine had a Nathan’s. It wasn’t a real Nathan’s, it just had the sign and the uniform and something resembling the menu.
I did not realize this at first, having come from out of state where there was no such chain.
At my college the dining halls had stations, so you’d pay or use your meal plan to get into the dining hall and then get whatever from any to all of the stations. All the dining halls had a station that had pizza, I’m pretty sure.
Now, the QUALITY of pizza varied at the various locations. But it was there.
My college was the same, there were stations at the cafeteria that you could choose what kind of food you wanted from, and one of them was always pizza.
i went to one where there were 2 cafeterias. one was the usual stuff and the other was run by the cullinary students and the prices were noticably lower since it was also their classroom so to speak and they might take a long time vs what you would normally want. and the teachers actually liked when we were picky on our orders so to speak to give them a challenge.
It was the same where I went. Even the small dining hall that was by my building that pretty much had the same stuff every day and one specialty item every night had a dedicated pizza station. The pizza wasn’t as good as even the pizza at the dining halls that were actually on central campus and not like half a mile away by the cheap dorm, but still.
I have a rambling problem.
I mean, they have Galasso’s Pizza & Subs.
Oh, but you were talking about stuff specifically inside the dining.
My college dining hall had a kick-ass salad bar, but the other food was lackluster. Which suited me just fine!
*dining HALL. I swear I typed that. >_>;
You did.
Just not twice.
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Same. Most on campus chick fil a’s don’t usually accept swipes tho unless it’s a certain day.
Even if there is, dorms often come with meal plans. Once you have said meal plans, the dorm cafeteria food is already paid for, where the pizza place isn’t*.
*Assuming they have one, it’s not like even large colleges necessarily have that much to choose from on campus.
During the time I spent eating in campus dining halls, I ate pizza probably every day. Sometimes for at least two meals. Good times.
And looks like I’m Galasso. This seems fitting with the whole pizza thing.
I suspect in college it depends largely on the size of the dorm. And also when you were there. My freshman year, we had one big cafeteria for a bunch of linked dorms. The food tended to be lousy, but there was lots of choice.
My later years in a small dorm with its own cafe, the food was generally better, but it was more like a sit down dinner with a time and a menu. You were out of luck if that day’s was nasty or just something you didn’t like. OTOH, they cooked breakfast to order, so that was usually worth getting up for.
This was back in the 80s.
I think a lot of places have moved more to bringing chain restaurants into the dining halls now.
This is nice.
DC Pizza was a staple of my college experience.
I prefer Marvel Pizza
Ours was Gumby’s Pizza.
Not great pizza, but a single topping large was $5, and it was open until 3 am.
Domino’s Death Discs. As brought to you by the Domino’s Death Disc Delivery Dude (or Dudette)
Vertigo pizza for me
ooooh, look at the fancy guy/gal with the “For Mature Eaters” label…
🙂
Fancy indeed. Do you know what they did yesterday when I was organizing a pitchfork mob?
They showed up with a bloody Timahawk! Can you believe it? First they’re too good for pitchforks, now they’re too good for grade-school cafeteria pizza. The bloody nerve!
I prefer old school Cane Cutters 🙂
This is why I had to cancel the whole damn thing! You and Puckish Rogue are why we can’t have nice things!
Just for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HQgYOxYWM
Anymore, I get most of my pizzas on the internet, often through Hiveworks, which has a great selection of original flavors for a very fair price.
Oh man, I really want to try a piece of that good ol’ rectangular pizza as an adult.
it’d still be terrible.
(yes, yes, I know, that’s not the point)
I’ve searched for it, but apparently it’s only purchaseable as a super-large slab that won’t fit in, like, a normal oven, and only available in bulk.
Buy it, the cut it in oven-sized chunks and keep it in a large fridge
Depending on the supplier, you don’t even have to cut it. I’ve worked in the cafeteria of my old school, and the pizza they get comes in a large box, you open the box, open the bag take the slabs out, and, while still frozen, tear them along the pre-scored perforations (because no school cafeteria has time to cut those rectangles) into individual slices, and arrange on the sheet pans to pop in the oven.
Totino’s Party Pizza in the frozen foods section of your grocery store. I have about a dozen in my freezer.
Look.
I’ve been eating those all my adult life. I have several in my freezer right now.
They are not even remotely grade school pizza. They’re good, but they’re not even nearly the same thing.
Well, your kids will be in grade school before you know it. Follow them to school on pizza day.
Or at least draw a cartoon about doing so.
I can so imagine the follow-up to the “It’s pregnancy!” strips* being Walky following his kids to school to eat the cheap grade-school cafeteria pizza.
*It’s parenthood!
Even better – train them to smuggle slices home for you.
Banquet Pepperoni Pizza dinners are pretty danged close.
The current most common variety is actually a prescored sheet designed to be broken into individual servings, while frozen, before baking. Those individual 4″x6″ servings will comfortably fit in a toaster over. The older version of this type of product (which is still on the market), meanwhile, was indeed designed to be cooked as a single sheet tray sized slab then cut as you describe.
Now the size and cost of a case is something I can understand being a problem (just under 100 servings for about $100 after shipping). If you can find something like eight people to divide the costs and the pizza between however…. Or, ya know, just go buy the Tony’s pizzas they sell at the super market since they are literally the same product and brand name, just cut as rounds rather than rectangles and packaged for retail.
Two more things…
1. that should be “toaster oven.”
2. be aware that these products have changed their ingredients significantly since the ’80s so no longer taste quite the same as they did back then…
As an addendum to that second point, your palate will also have changed significantly since the ’80s so even the exact same product composed from the exact same ingredients will in all probability not taste the same as an adult.
I completely missed the “oven” part. Not missed that you used the wrong word, missed that there was a second word at all.
I was imagining inserting pizza slices into a slot toaster and what a terrible idea this was and why would you suggest such a thing and had you tried it.
It’s a supposed life hack that you can lay the toaster on its side, however I would not recommend this, especially on surfaces that can be damaged by heat, like most countertops
It kinda works. You need to buffer the space between counter and toaster (with a folded dishtowel or tea towel or two for example) and many modern toasters have slightly sloped sides rather than straight perpendicular ones so you need to compensate for that. That said, toasters aren’t designed to work in that position not to cook anything that exudes grease (like say pizza) so it’s also a nasty fire risk. Otherwise it does work for a short, quick occasional use in that position.
Damnit, That should be “nor to cook”. The typos are strong with me today.
1.) This does not surprise me.
2.) This also does not surprise me.
3.) If not for the fact that shipping frozen perishable foods is a pain in the butt, I would absolutely split an order.
Your tweets about food make me feel better about having roughly the same diet, except sub energy drinks for alcohol.
I miss that pizza. Like, I know it was the worst cheapest possible pizza ever, but tastes formed in childhood etc etc
Now cafeteria chicken nuggets, those can fuck all the way off and stay there. Never understood the hype around chicken nugget day.
Grade school cafeteria pizza is way more desireable than college pizza
This is true. I used to put the grade school cafeteria corn on mine.
Grade school cafeteria pizza was ordered out from a real restaurant at my school.
Yes, considerably better.
But then, I never had broccoli on pizza before college. Hm.
Sure there’s not a bit of rose-coloring happening there?
Lol, I like that this is just how they hang out
Ewww. Grade school pizza. That rectangular shit was disgusting. Who’d want that?
$1.13 each at my local grocery store, that’s why I eat it. It’s still pizza and bad pizza is still tons better than no pizza.
Personally I’d rather save more money by just not buying any pizza rather than buying bad pizza even if it’s cheap.
Even good pizza is bad for you and if I’m going to eat something that bad for me, I want it to taste good.
Given my choices are bad pizza, something worse, or going hungry…
It’s always pizza day in my dining hall
Wake me up when it’s ground beef spinach and feta cheese pizza day
Now sushi day is where it’s at
Even better: sushi pizza day!
Understandable. Pizza day is nothing to treat lightly.
Now let’s see if the character development continues.
So, two days in a row where Joe’s not being shitty.
He’s going to get hit with a meteor in the next strip, isn’t he?
Might be time to check in with someone else for a little bit, just in case
I think Joe is also realizing Jacob wasn’t actually his friend but just his roommate.
You’re right and I think Joes realizing a lot of other things as well
Jacob isn’t Joe’s roommate, though. Danny is.
Jacob isn’t actually Joe’s roommate either. He’s Ethan’s roommate.
or another focus shift. ive kind of enjoyed the multi focus shifts and disliked it at the same time if that makes sense.
Doesn’t he just realize that Jacob would despise his shit and not be supportive?
Yeah, I think it’s a brief moment of self-awareness and acknowledgement of what an awesome friend Danny has been.
Joe needs Danny like the desert needs the rain. Otherwise, I’m like 90% sure Joe would end up like his father.
(Remember: Even JOE is vaguely disgusted by his father.)
Oo! stray thought! Let’s see if it survives articulation.
I think that until now, Joe has been brushing off this ‘new Danny’ thing as Danny just being silly Danny, same as always. But I think when Danny straight up told Joe that he was bisexual, he had to face the music.
Not that Danny was an inherently different person than he used to be, but like, I feel like for the first time, Joe is looking at Danny and realizing that over this time, Danny has changed. And he wasn’t there for it, he wasn’t part of it. He wouldn’t have let himself be part of it if he had the chance . . . and he DID.
And I think that looking at Danny, and seeing how he’s evolved over time, has had a . . . Sobering? Sobering influence on Joe.
Perhaps he’s starting to realize now that the different person that he’s tried to build up over time is fake, and that Danny, who he’s been sort of eyerolling for not ‘growing up,’ is the one who has changed, while he remains the same scared kid, hidden behind a wall of protective awful?
That seems to make all the sense in the world to me.
Seconding this, this would actually make tons of sense!
I third this! Makes helluva ton of sense
I fourth(or fifth, knowing my tendency to revise these) this, I was reading it similarly and you definitely articulated it better than I could’ve even started to.
That’s my read, but I’ve been wrong before. :v
If Joe’s performance with Walkerton in gender studies is any indication, he’ll create an entirely fake apology and state he’s learned his lesson about rating women.
All future ratings will be done internally.
Honestly, changing nothing besides keeping that shit to himself would still be an improvement.
And there wouldn’t be any problem with that. Everyone rates internally, even if they only do it subconsciously and don’t actually attach a number to it. I preemptively name anyone who claims otherwise a liar.
I am aromantic and asexual.
And I am pretty sure not all Allo people do it either, I have a pretty hard time to believe that.
On the broadest most general definition of “rates”, perhaps – barring the aromantic/asexual folk, as Inbar Fink suggest.
But if it boils down to “Oh hey, she’s cute”, I don’t think it’s quite the same thing. Even without spreading it to the world.
Most people don’t dwell on people who they are neither grossed out by nor attracted to that way. Unless they invite themselves to be thought of that way.
Nooo, it’s not too late to get a sleeping bag and order domino’s. :p
My college cafeteria had good pizzas, not fresh-made, but like the decent frozen ones you can get in grocery stores.
They only ever served them on parents’ weekend.
The rest of the time, the “pizzas” were literally French bread, soggy from the steam warmer, with ketchup and a little bit of melted cheese on them.
I think I’ve mentioned before that the food service we had has been ruled unconstitutional to use in prisons on grounds of cruel and unusual punishment.
“Jacob wouldn’t have done this with you.”
Danny hasn’t just cracked the bro code, he’s left it in shattered pieces all over the floor.
And Joe knows it.
Yer a good egg, Danny.
“this isn’t no grade-school cafeteria pizza”
Oh it is, it’s just that in college we’re so desperate for greasy feel good foods that we trick ourselves into thinking its better XD
At mine we had individual round pizza dough discs that we put the toppings on ourselves and had baked on demand. Every day.
“Jacob wouldn’t have done this with you.”
Two things Danny are doing here: One, he’s allowing himself to indulge a bit in self-satisfaction. A bit. I’ll let him have it, he’s hardly ever had those moments so far in his life anyway.
But also, he’s taking a bit of a chance to see if Joe’s response; to see if today really is making Joe more vulnerable than ever, to see if Joe’s armour of toxic masculinity really is cracked. Because let’s face it, Joe could easily have taken that in a completely different direction. He could easily have derided Danny for it; it has been his modus operandi so far anyway.
But Joe did not.
“No, he wouldn’t have.
That moment, those four words are why Danny did it all for Joe: To let Joe understand that they are indeed Friends. To let Joe understand that Danny did in fact do a lot for him today that he had no obligation to do. It might seem small compared to what Joe should do (like, buying Danny’s pizzas for the rest of the semester), but that moment of genuine, raw gratitude, with all fakery and macho bravado burned away… It seems so little, yet counts for so much.
In my experience, the cafeteria pizza was never as good as the pizzas you could get at an actual pizza restaurant.
IME, cafeteria pizza isn’t even as good as frozen pizzas.
(Ranking: Pizzeria, homemade by someone competent, frozen, homemade by someone who can’t make pizza, Lunchables-style ‘pizza’, sandwiches made with pepperoni and processed cheese slices, cafeteria.)
On an unrelated note, back in grade and middle school in Norway, I only ever had packed lunches, because we had no lunch cafeterias. Never a single slice of pizza ever. Not even the cheap and greasy kind.
Same as school in NZ
I think I had my first pizza* at around 8. First restaurant pizza… Around 14-ish?
*Those “mix” packages thingies; one flour mix and one seasoning mix to put into tomato sauce.
5th panel danny honestly gives me life
it is kind of a soothing panel on its own.
He looks nearly beatific there.
I know we’re all supposed to hate Danny for vague reasons, but I’m starting to think he’s the most heroic character in the whole comic, in that he reaches out to people, even problematic people, and attempts to help them.
The moral of Dumbing of Age as a series is that toxic people aren’t worth the effort, and there’s some truth to that, but it’s still nice to see someone try.
Danny has actively try to get past(with varying success) the vague reasons in this universe.
In the previous one the problem was he kept biting down until the vague reasons were as obvious as the missing hand on the metaphorical arm he was biting. (Well, that’s how my interpretation goes, your mileage may vary.)
“The moral of Dumbing of Age as a series is that toxic people aren’t worth the effort”
Well, a moral.
Another one is that toxic people can change, usually if given the right stimulus. Joyce and Hank are the most obvious ones that come to mind just now.
Which way Joe’s about to go is anyone’s guess just now. Mine is: he’s got Danny in his corner and while Danny’s lost all tolerance for Joe’s shit he’s the sort of friend who’s ready to be there long term to counter it, as long as there’s progress. (Witness: Danny’s changing-but-mostly-careful views of Amber.) If there isn’t any, Joe’s in for a long stay in a similar pit to the one Robin’s in.
(and I’ll admit: as a long-time follower of Joyce from PSL days, I saw her panic around the queer members of the floor as quirky rather than toxic. then Becky, and: ah. btw, dammit, Willis, you do this well.)
I don’t see how Danny’s views on Amber have changed. Just two days ago he tore through all her mythology by plainly telling her that everything good about Amazi-Girl comes from her, and yesterday he tried to talk to her again and only walked away when she stonewalled him. It’s not like he wants to cut her out of his life or anything, and it’s doubtful he ever goes through with it.
Yep. I wasn’t saying he was smart, I was saying he was trying.
Amber’s above his pay grade. Joe… Joe’s a better fit.
I’d like to go one day in this place without getting a spiel about how Amber deserves to be abandoned.
Uh… I’ll just underline Fart Captor’s response. I think maybe you understood “pay grade” in terms of relationship where I was meaning it in terms of support ability? Amber is awesome and deserves all the things, like fer eg a Danny who’s as sharp as Leslie.
Amber needing professional help doesn’t mean friends are useless to her, or that it’s stupid for her friends to stick around.
Like, someone needing to go to the hospital does not render first aid pointless. Someone at the scene who puts pressure on a bleeding wound is just as responsible for saving a person’s life as the doctor who actually treats it.
>Joyce and Hank are the most obvious ones that come to mind just now.
Neither of which have ever been presented as a toxic person, and neither of which had anyone reaching out to them to help them change; they changed on their own. And honestly, neither changed that much. Joyce hasn’t become more accepting of LGBT people, it was more her realizing for anti-gay her church is and moving away from it.
Villains in DoA are pretty much 100% pure irredeemably evil (Mary, ToeDad, Joyce’s mom, Ruth’s grandpa, etc), and characters like Joe and Joyce are pretty clearly good guys with flaws.
Yeah, okay, it’s pizza day.
But more importantly, it’s cereal day.
It’s ALWAYS cereal day.
So put some Frosted Flakes on that pizza of yours.
Not a bad idea. Maybe I’ll try that
You know what, forget the pizza!
froot loops are the goddamn breakfast of champions
and also of the art school
i painted giant froot loops for an assignment
it’s hanging in the hallway TO THIS DAY
fuck yeah froot loops
I never really got froot loops. They neither taste nor spell the same as fruit.
I prefer a cereal that delivers on(or is at least actually willing to commit to) a flavor promise, like Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
Pizza will solve all your ills.
At least for the X number of minutes you’re eating it.
Then it is back to whatever the suck-assness of your life is.
So never stop eating pizza …..
That…
I can’t think of a reason that wouldn’t work.
Extreme weight gain, acne, bowel problems, diabetes, gout…
I guess you could make sure you get a lot of variety on your pizza, maybe try to go for low-fat options, and hope you can exercise enough to cancel out constant pizza consumption.
… leading to a short, but extremely happy, life.
 
In fairness to Jacob, I don’t think he would have been able to grok how he was supposed to behave. Even if he had, it would almost certainly not have had the same emotional resonance as when Danny did it.
Just as pizza is comfort food, Danny was indulging Joe with comfort behaviors.
… indulging, or guiding?
Also, can I just mention, Panel 4. Joe realizes that no, Jacob wouldn’t have done this. He realizes why Jacob wouldn’t have done this. Even more than before, it hits him — with that one realization — that Jacob, a person he admires, would not condone this childishness.
And that’s important. And it’s beautiful, and even kind of sad, but in a happy way.
Not grade school cafeteria pizza? That’s a good thing. Just because it was the least shittiest school lunch doesn’t mean it was ever good.
Agreeable. School lunches are absolute shit I dunno how it’s possible to make such bad tasting food
My second school served nachos, daily, at regular lunch prices.
I actually stopped reading and started eating lunch at lunchtime.
Clarification: stopped reading instead of eating, still read as soon as nachos were not there to ruin books.
I find Joe likeable for some reason.
It’s because he’s just realized how unlikeable he was.
I worked in a high school and was able to procure some frozen rectangle pizza for my personal use. It’s still pretty good! But my favorite is the one my high school had, “Little Charlies” mini personal deep dish pizzas. Which I have seen for sale occasionally in places, but the Red Baron Deep Dish personal pizzas are pretty comparable.
Oh I remember eating Red Baron. Was cooking using a dutch oven, so I took 3-4 pizzas, and layered them on top of each other. It was great. Mini Personal Deep Dishes are good too
I’ve got German blood in me, both sides. I grew up in suburban northeastern US, and was raised Catholic. All the Italian kids I knew had grandmothers who still cooked from scratch because that’s how one fed a family. They didn’t have to “rediscover” it.
I am, to this day, flabbergasted that Red Baron pizza exists. There’s no Nana Marie’s sauerbraten, is there?
Heh, again, Danny and Becky are more similar than one would think
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-7/02-everything-youve-ever-wanted/bridges-2/
Are you getting some sort of abstinence caused of lack of Becky for a while now?
She is addictive, I was trying out colors for a drawing earlier, and just decided: Okay, I like it, but what if Becky?
Then came the tag search for Becky minus plaid(because A. Lazy and B. Not right for character), and then the realization that more often than not Plaid Becky is best Becky.
Eventually I had to just admit that it was an excuse to reread Becky’s greatest hits.
It’s been more than a week. I’ve got needs.
if you say it outloud willis might hide becky away for a few months. or maybe not since he if i remember right is a couple months ahead comic wise but people seem to like to blame and or curse willis so i thought it might fit here.
He DID suggest that he increased the amount of Becky out of spite that one time when people got fed up with her…
So… um… Man, that Becky, isn’t she just the worst. I just hate how… stupidly lopsidedly orange she is. It sure would show me if we got a lot of more Becky in the comic, ‘mIright?
Too obvious. I’d go the subtle route and kick off a week-long flame war about her. There may be some negative fallout, but the reward may just be worth it.
Don’t make me work out how long we’ve had to go without Sylvia over at Wilde Life at times. Months, sometimes.
*wistful sigh*
(anyone who didn’t pick up on Paz when she dropped her awesome fanart portrait of Sierra way back when, you’ve been missing out. come on over, the water’s good.)
If you have doofus abstinence, you can check out Patton Oswalt’s current twitter feed. He recently got engaged, and he and his fiancee are some seriously dorky DOOOOFUSES! They play board games and everything. In fact, Patton proposed by taping notes on the back of Quirkle tiles.
If that’s not DOOOFUS, I don’t know what is.
And Always Human has ended, so we don’t even have that weekly dose of doofus to look forward to.
Cafeteria pizza has cheese and therefore is evil.
Oh trust me, whatever white-yellow thing that American cafeteria pizzas use to cover the sauce with, most Western countries would -not- allow to be classified as cheese.
Little secret: Because cafeteria pizza has tomato sauce, the US Department of Education considers it to be a vegetable for legally required nutrition servings.
But tomato is a fruit….
Yep. The US Department of Education decided to conveniently forget about that fact. The more you know, the more you hate.
Biologically, it’s a fruit. For kitchen purpouses, it’s a vegetable. It’s been classified as a vegetable food for ages now.
Tomatoes are a fruit. Often called a culinary vegetable, but I need a hill to die on today. 😛
Intelligence is knowing that tomatoes are a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put them in a fruit salad, philosophy is wondering if that makes Ketchup a smoothie.
Strength is being able to crush a tomato. Dexterity is being able to dodge a tomato. Constitution is being able to eat a bad tomato. Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put a tomato in a fruit salad. Charisma is being able to sell a tomato based fruit salad.
“Vegetable” isn’t a biological classification anyway. This whole argument is a bit like people squabbling over whether chickens are avians or livestock.
“vegetable” is a biological classification (or was last time I looked), but it’s at the level of “plant” and thus include tomatoes. 🙂
And chickens are dinosaurs. Tasty dinosaurs.
@shiro wouldnt a tomato based fruit salad be salsa?
“We’ve found the bard!” 😀
Whether the US government considers something a fruit or a vegetable sometimes just comes down to tax considerations.
Just two different definitions colliding.
In the botanical sense, a lot of vegetables are fruit: zucchini, peppers, beans, … are all fruit. in German they have the umbrella-term “Fruchtgemüse” indicating that they are used as vegetables but are fruit botanically speaking.
And in a practical sense, it mostly comes down to “we call things that are sweet ‘fruit’ and things that are savory ‘vegetables’.”
Stolen.
If I get flu like symptoms from it, it’s cheese.
Does that include the various strains of actual flu? If so, I pray to god that the FDA never agrees with you.
Nah, I have an allergy to cheese (not dairy, just cheese due to the mould in it) that gives me flu symptoms when I eat it. So now my metric for ‘Is this cheese?’ is whether or not I get sick. Most ‘fake’ cheese still does it – thankfully though a couple things don’t (Cheesies/Cheetos, Crunchits, and Doritos don’t bother me – there was a couple years where they did, but they must’ve switched to a different fake cheese or something because it no longer does).
Danny, you too kind kid/adult, I hope you’re in the right.
Well, you feel in the right at this moment, that’s good. I just hope Joe is worth it.
Or, you know, isn’t not worth it to the point where your friendship will end very badly for you. (Not only emotionally.)
… Yeah this is another of these comments where I realize the situation is reminding me of something that happened in real life. Just… be well, Danny.
Be well indeed, Danny!
Oh hey I’m happy to see you there ! I wanted to say sorry for the misunderstanding yesterday.
(I say “happy” because I considered engaging you in another comment but that felt wrong, like I was forcing it, whereas now you answered my comment it feels right ! … Is there an Internet manners guide somewhere ?)
Hey, it’s all good! Like I said yesterday, I don’t have your experiences, and you have some shit to deal with in your life that I don’t. That sometimes means we’ll interpret things differently. That’s all.
And I hope you are being well too. And if you ever need up to and including a hug from an internet stranger, I’m offering.
Or if you prefer that I lay waste to all of your enemies instead… Well, I am pretty good at making plans that are cold, swift, and absolutely ridiculous.
And for the record, I did go back and checked yesterday’s comic and saw your latest comment there. I really appreciate that you voiced your thoughts to me like that. It clarified a lot.
I’m happy my comments were finally clear. This is such a good space for people here, I felt bad during these few hours of misunderstanding.
So…. Wanna plot an absolutely ridiculous revenge on someone?
Our Imperial R&D department has just finished new and improved pie machine gun.
Thank you ! My plan of revenge is being happy for the rest of my life. I know, I know, it’s convoluted, but it’s cheap and I’m pretty broke !
I’ve heard worse plans.
In fact, come to think of it, practically all other revenge plans are worse.
my friends plan for revenge is being slightly less miserable than people he hates.
Our plan for revenge was outliving everyone we hated. Considering we’re middle-aged, and most of the people pissing us off are/were older than us, it’s working pretty well so far!
Hmm. So this is why there’s a hole in my chest. This strip ripped out my heart during panels 1-4
And then the thought of college dining hall pizza ripped out your stomach?
Nope. Because I had a homemade meat lovers-style pizza for dinner. Also, the only really good thing about cafeteria pizza was the crust, and only when served warm.
I’m confused…what’s with the Jacob comment? I feel like I SHOULD know,and I skimmed through the comments and everyone else seems to know…is there a strip I’m forgetting? (I know Joe’s been hanging out with Jacob, but I missed the “Jacob vs. Danny” comparison.)
Joe has been hanging out with Jacob because he thought that Jacob, being attractive and all that, was like him into demeaning girls to pick them up. I even wondered if Joe didn’t mention being searching for a “new best friend”.
Danny probably felt very attacked by this, and is trying to assert that he likes Joe despite his flaws whereas Jacob would have let him down for them.
Well, Joe once did proclaim that Jacob was his “new main man”, indicating that Danny no longer held that position.
Of course, -Jacob- has not ever really been acting like they’re close, more like Joe’s someone he tolerates and has to call out every now and then. And Jacob would… Well, he might have done -something- if he was in Danny’s position, but it would not involve taking any of Joe’s crap, and it would involve a lot of really harsh words for Joe…
…And while you can make a (very) good argument that Joe probably needs those things, there’s also the problem that those things can also backfire, in that Joe might just further retreat into his shell of toxic masculinity, and decide to cut off Jacob instead.
Anyway, Jacob would not treat Joe anywhere nearly as patiently as Danny has done. And Joe’s just now realised just what sort of sacrifice Danny has done today on account of their long friendship.
Joe has called Jacob his ‘new main man’ several times now, once to Danny’s face.
Thank you. I’d forgotten this and had the same question.
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/03-answers-in-hennessy/best-friend/
Thank you! 🙂
I love you, New Danny.
I mean, yes, Joe is in danger from every woman on campus but… but it’s Pizza Day dammit! He has to prioritise!
For exceedingly small values of “danger”. 🙂
Why do I sometimes miss school cafeteria pizza? What’s WRONG with me?
Classic abuse victim psychology. 😉
Look, the pizza is only godawful and stale because it loves me.
Sometimes, I get so tired of trying to talk people out of eating bad pizza, that I just want to take off and let them eat it alone.
Dude, haven’t you ever heard of the pizza scale?
Probably not. All I know is, it’s mentally and emotionally exhausting to spend an hour trying to talk someone out of a shitty pizza, just because they like a couple of the toppings. Like, I will help you get a different, better pizza. There is absolutely nothing you can get from this pizza that you can’t get from another one that actually has all the right toppings, the right sauce, and the perfect crust. But hey, if you like pepperoni, who am I to stand in your way, even though you don’t like mushrooms, barbecue sauce, and thin crust? Eat your gross pizza you only enjoy a single part of, I’ll be over here with my garlic parmesan-sauce, stuffed-crust, chicken and bacon pizza, moaning loudly while I eat it.
You know what I mean?
Maybe we should just go grab a burger instead…
Sausage and chips.
In fact, sausage in batter with chips.
“Beer. Beer has calories.”
I am so happy these two are friends again. That is all. 🙂
It’s peculiar Danny brought up Jacob like that. 😕
High school pizza was lame for me; they had barely any tomato sauce. Must have been pre-Colombus style pizza.
Pizza day !
Someone is self-aware.
Nicely done, Danny!
So I’m guessing Joe is ready for his walk of shame.
The way some commenters talk, he’s been doing that since he was born.
Male bonding isn’t complete without a manly bro hug! Come on now, hug…hug!
In my experience, “male bonding” consists of forced stereotypical behavior, even if nobody involved actually cares about that behavior, usually resulting in everyone sticking with it a little too long and ending up in a weird mood.
Back in elementary school, we had biweekly Pizza Days, and the pizza came from the local New Orleans. We had no cafeteria (although for the Hot Dog Days that happened on the weeks without pizza, hot dogs were boiled at the school).
Those Days eventually got phased out in favour of…ugh, wraps.
“This will now be my home forever!”
“It’s been nearly an hour, want to go back?”
“Sure.”
I have never identified with Joe more. Mind you, I have never identified with Joe even slightly before, so that’s not saying much.
I DON’T LIKE THIS POLL, WILLIS. WHY IS LESLIE/ANNA/MINDY NOT AN OPTION. WHY CAN THEY NOT ALL DATE AND ANNA BECOMES. BETTER. AS A PERSON.
Leslie is monogamous.
Leslie only wants one wife and is allowed to have that preference.
I think he commented on that a few days back: Because he wanted more than one answer.
There seems to be a “resigned to his fate” look to his pose in the last panel, which is good as it means hes somewhat ready to receive the scorn he deserves
Though I suspect he may not be ready for the amount of scorn hes going to get but that’s good, it’ll give a chance for the women to vent their spleens and it’ll reinforce the lessons Joes learning
And if Joe is scorned enough Joyce might take pity on him and they might start dating again…ok probably not but dammit I want JoJo!
You’ll have to get through Joycob first.
Unless Raidah starts acting like a gigantic thunder c**t then I don’t see Jacob breaking up with her because they seem like a stable couple
Besides Joyce seems, through the power of Hollywood, the type to want to “save” the bad boy and rehabilitate them and I think theres probably unfinished business between
I mean Joe has some sort of feelings for Joyce based on how he reacted when Joyce questioned him and Joyce probably has some regret over she reacted on their date
Hell I’d join Patreon if there was a strip of Joe and Joyce having a normal date
THERE he is. (pinches Joe’s cheeks)