Or the Fulcrum, assuming the theory that The One Above All and the Fulcrum (aka “Jack”) aren’t one and the same. Often believed they are, due to the Celestials being an both an enigma and more a source of prologue for the bulk of the major players in the Marvel Universe than actual players themselves. I know they’ve been making recent appearances in Marvel Comics under a decade old, but I don’t think it’s yet been made clear if The Fulcrum is an actual Celestial in addition to being the entity all their actions serve…
Meh. The Dark Side is basically just embracing emotion and harnessing its power. If the Jedi weren’t so blindly opposed to it, maybe it wouldn’t be mainly dangerously unhinged individuals resorting to it.
Yes, I’m biased, but emotional repression is generally a bad idea, and too many Jedi choose it over true serenity.
…anyway, Jedi, Sith, or adept, Sarah would make a frightfully competent force-user.
I hold firmly to that philosophy. The most successful Sith are those that can harness their emotions without abandoning rational thought.
The Jedi and Sith were, in the setting’s ancient history, a single order. (Depending on which sources you believe.) Dark and light are two sides of the same coin; trying to isolate them will only end in suffering.
Yeah, true for most maybe, but Sarah’s hate is so much more abundant than all her other emotions combined, it still makes up the majority of her power. xD
Some fun facts about the Force for you:
1) The Dark Side is inherently unnatural, it’s not supposed to exist it’s like a cancer in the Force.
2) It drives it’s users batshit nuts
3) It’s addictive and only works for negative emotions
4) You can’t balance the Dark side with the true Force
Nah, the white people were never united. They conquered everyone because they could it didn’t make their lives better it just made everyone else’s lives worse.
Disloyal, have you noticed too that the ultimate result of following the good side of the Force is death and defeat while the Dark Side wins over and over again? That wasn’t the light Darth Vader used to save the day in Return of the Jedi…
The Let Raidah Take Your Morose Bottom To Hell With You Force, I’d say. We’ve already seen evidence that Raidah is simply going to get sneakier and more investable with her Jerry Springer bullshit, but Sarah is heading down a path that could turn her into an actual net loss….Mike’s missing this. I just realized. He should watch this.
This is beginning to feel like the scenario that usually ends with a kid, flying high on anti-depressants, walking into a classroom with a bootleg assault rifle and shotgun.
Ultimately you’re right; it’s just that Jacob is the one eventually with the shotgun. The scenario is more complicated than you imagine. If you recall from other universes, he is a sexual addict waiting to happen. This is how it starts.
Having some form of mental illness that requires medication does not mean you’re liable to snap and start murdering everyone around you.
Now a culture that romanticizes the shooters and puts every detail of them on display for the public to gawk at, as well as a near unrestricted access to firearms? Pretty sure that contributes more than a little.
The problem is, of course, that you don’t need mental illness to have been prescribed anti-depressants.
However, that is a strawman and it isn’t the point I’m making. The point is that I’m trying to make is that this is the sort of scenario that can and does lead to stress-related illnesses and destructive ideation. Ideation that, as Spencer points out, is very, very easy to turn into a reality.
The particular anti-depressants I’m talking about are SSRIs, a family of psychiatric medicines that also include some recent powerful anti-psychotics. By their manufacturers’ own admission, one side effect (although they claim it is a rare one), they cause extremely violent and suicidal ideation in some users or if the user stops taking them suddenly. There is also well-documented concerns that doctors prescribe high-power psychiatric medication to treat stress and unhappiness, which they have misdiagnosed as depression.
Just saying, man, basically everyone I’ve ever known is on anti-depressants, and it’s the reason they’re still alive, and none of them have ever felt the need to shoot up a school. They do, however, get fucking shade from everybody about how antidepressants are awful and terrible and nobody really needs them and stuff like what you said above. You can’t even fucking say the word “anti-depressants” without some rando going off on a spiel about how they’re overdiagnosed. It’s tiring.
I could well believe that if you snap and start murdering everyone around you it could lead to some form of mental illness.
Whether you can get high on anti-depressants is empirically testable, but I must personally decline because I fear it would interfere with my current experiments to determine if contemplation of theoretical physics can drive drive you mad.
You can imagine my disappointment if the answer turns out to be “no.”
I’ve been on antidepressants twice, and I’m still on them from the second time.
The anti-depressant problems seen in the current class of drugs I’m using are related to the initial first week or two. Mood-swings are the main characteristics. Suicides and deaths related to, say, thinking you can fly, are the ones I’ve seen documented. I felt just little too happy, then sad. My moods stabilized after a while, which is the normal (hate that phrase, but can’t think of a better) reaction.
I’ve been on the one I’ve been on for 5 years. I’ve yet to go postal.
I still get happy, sad, angry. I don’t however wish to go walking off the roof. Bad times.
So for me, anti-depressants have helped immensely.
Unfortunately, for some suceptible people, anti-depressant medication can trigger an unprecedented manic episode, which can potentially lead to destructive behaviour if left unchecked. But that’s more a problem of how they’re prescribed than the meds themselves. Like a renowned psychiatrist said : “We are the only profession which doesn’t look at the organ we’re supposed to treat, so we really are just throwing darts in the dark and hoping it doesn’t harm the patient.”
Perhaps that was what he meant by “high”. High as in manic, not stoned.
“a kid, flying high on anti-depressants”
“Just about every mass shooting in recent history”
“The particular anti-depressants I’m talking about are SSRIs”
I’m still not entirely convinced that you don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about. If you could say something like “They’re putting it in our water supply! Big Pharma! Argle bargle!”, that would really help.
Seriously, SSRIs are the weaksauce of antidepressants. They can take weeks to kick in, they aren’t addictive, and they most certainly don’t make you high. A glass of wine makes me higher than SSRIs ever did.
As for side effects: what isn’t on those lists? They’re either hilarious or frightening, depending on how hypochondriacal you are, but the bottom line is, you either take antidepressants with heaps of possible side effects, or you don’t take antidepressants. There can be a lot of a trial and error, because the brain is still far from fully understood, and people are different. Nevertheless, SSRIs are routinely prescribed as a first line of defense against depression, before (perhaps unnecessarily) trying the stronger stuff.
I think it might be for the best if we never see Dana again.
One of the most effective things about the whole feud between Raidah and Sarah is that they’re both utterly convinced of their own righteousness, and I think we should always be guessing whether Sarah’s actions ultimately helped Dana.
now i would just like everyone to envision all of the people that you have hated in your life. now imagine that they had been introduced to you as protagonists in this comic.
isn’t it weird how we’re more sympathetic to sarah’s darkness because we grew to like her first and learned things from her perspective. wonder how we’d feel about blaine or toe-dad if we’d first learned in detail that they had terribly traumatic up-bringings
wha-? who in death note has a traumatic past that gives us new appreciation for their perspective? as i recall, light had no issues and i liked him fine until his psychotic ego-trips dominated his character
I don’t know how you can like Light fine for flagrant MURDER, criminals or no. Remember, the second dude he killed was just being a bit of an arrogant jerk to a woman, nothing death-worthy.
Well plotting to break up a relationship isn’t in the same league as Blaine or Toe-Dad so its all good for me, unless I’m merely trying to justify it to myself
Just think of it as a ‘reverse Parent Trap’. Wacky hijinks, lots of good clean fun, a relationship is shattered, everyone’s happy in the end. Well, except for the antagonists, whom no one is supposed to like, anyway – who cares about them?
Blaine may very well have (Toe-dad I figure is less likely). I still find it irrelevant. I even understand where Toe-dad is coming from. He sees himself as fighting to save his daughter from a universe gone wrong, where everything he’s been taught all his life to reject as unholy is becoming mundane.
And he’s still wrong. Empathy and approval are two different beasts.
Likewise, I get where Sara’s coming from. She’s still wrong.
I dunno, ToeDad was raised in the same community as his daughter. Maybe not quite ‘traumatic,’ but certainly horrific, and it molded him into the antagonist he is today.
It’s probably too late to fix him though, so whatever tragedy is in his backstory is ultimately irrelevant.
good, thank you. sarah and toe-dad are both wrong, it just bothers me how easily people sort sarah into the ‘good but wrong’ pile and the bad dads into the ‘evil terrible wrong’ pile before proceeding to exonerate one and vilify the others. some wrong people are much less excusable, but can’t we all just concede that, no matter how wrong someone is, they are still a person whose brain is working on some flawed logic?
personally, i feel empathy but not approval for toe-dad as well. blaine, i just wish he’d get some anger management classes. sarah is trickier, but her earnest talk with dina was the closest i’ve seen her get to constructive introspection
Blaine’s problem isn’t just anger management. He has control issues like old testament god! Plus given the nature of his ego, I can’t see how counseling would help since he seems like he’d simply reject the notion that there is anything wrong with him and his behaviour… Although, we don’t know enough about that character and his thought process for me to be certain about this.
Blaine and Ross are “evil and wrong” because they, you know, abuse their loved ones. Sarah’s 20 years old. She doesn’t have the capacity to cause as much damage as they have.
but then evil is situational. if blaine were in jail, he would have very little capacity to hurt others. and would that mean that his behavior would be ok from a 20-year-old? the aspect of his character that i find most ‘evil’ is largely his ability to selfishly cause what he must be able to recognize as harm to others without remorse.
ross doesn’t fall under this same label because he doesn’t see what he’s doing as harm. i do think that ross genuinely believes that he’s helping. with him, the most disagreeable character trait is his inability to recognize the harm he’s doing. if we should learn that he realizes how badly he’s hurting becky and that he’s doing all of this to her despite being aware that she can’t actually be cured or happy or redeemed, then that would be another step beyond him doing all of this with good intentions.
sarah might have some just motives, but she may not have good intentions. her biggest redeeming quality is that at no point does she make the observer believe that she would stoop to intentionally causing serious harm. she plans to make raidah cry, but i don’t think that we expect he to intentionally or accidentally do anything as bad as what either of the dads have done.
i’m not trying to pass final judgement on anyone, i’m just saying that if we decide to treat these characters like real people, then good and evil are complicated. and it couldn’t hurt to think a little harder before hating people in real life either.
Not that I would disagree, but sadly there are plenty of 20yos (and younger!) who’ve caused significantly more damage than even Blaine and Toedad combined.
Honestly… I wouldn’t normally condone this type of behaviour either, but since I think there’s about a 0% chance this is going to go how Sarah wants it to, I’m okay with it too 😉
If we’re gonna hold to alignments, then I’m gonna invoke an optional rule from Unearthed Arcana and call her True Neutral, with Lawful and Evil tendencies.
She’s spiteful, and maybe a little self-centered, but not really evil.
I don’t think she’s spiteful. I think she has a good solid reason for disliking Rideah. That girls close friend was Sarah’s room mate and was drugging herself to death. Her good friend Rideah didn’t see it or didn’t want to see it. When Sarah contacted the girls dad and told him what was going on, he came got her from school and got her help.
Note Sarah did not go to the college and get the girl kicked out.
In return Rideah, instead of thanking Sarah, just blasted her for getting her friend kicked out of school.
Sarah readily admitted that she was afraid the girl may get them both kicked out but if she were truly self-centered then she wouldn’t have hesitated to just turn her in.
And Rideah and her gang harassed the Hell out of Sarah ever since. So yeah, if Sarah is bitter, she had good reason imo.
You’re right, I chose the wrong word. ‘Vengeful’ isn’t quite right though. Vindictive?
I didn’t choose ‘spiteful’ for her behavior towards Raidah, though; her general bitter attitude is what motivated that description.
we can’t really fault him for it because mike being evil is one of the supporting-pillar truths of the universe. every time he drinks the universe sags a bit in the middle
Sarah is… a late-teen woman who has been bullied for doing the right thing and has lots of hormone-driven rivalry issues with the head bully. That makes her do stupid and malicious things and create elaborate self-justifications for doing so. She’s not a fully-mature adult and shouldn’t be expected to show the behaviours of one.
That doesn’t mean that this stupidity might not blow up in her face in the worst possible way. It also doesn’t mean that the maturing process won’t be painful.
I don’t love Mike, even if sometimes I laugh with him.
I’ve been more attuned to “Altruistic” and “Selfish” over “Good” and “Evil”, myself. Even Hollywood pits the Bad Guys as being self-concerned rather than “for the benefit of all.”
(although I did watch Sneakers again last night to semi-disprove myself, but it’s the idea of forcing one’s own philosophy upon everyone else rather than letting everyone forge their own way)
Doesn’t do it for me; it just makes me angry at them for being too pathetic to be justifiably angry at, or worse, sympathetic to them.
Screaming, on the other hand… now that’s motivation.
That doesn’t do it for me either. I have too much sympathy.
But. I like to imagine them throwing themselves into a wall head-first at full speed. Figuratively, of course. But maybe not so figuratively for people who drive so dangerously that they put innocent people’s lives on the line.
Nonononono, first comes the great battle between all Good and all Evil, *then* they sort out who’s on which side. Of course, before they go to battle, the Antichrist has to get the ball rolling…
I love that mug. Best of all, it’s like the helmets it’s modeled after in that it accumulates stains and damage to distinguish it from brand-new ones without losing any effectiveness.
By harvesting the tears of the broken and defeated object of their hate, and then cackling at their misfortune, furiously rubbing the hate-boner away to nothing with the painfully inadequate lube that is the tears.
Ever played Star Wars: The Old Republic? Jedi Knights’ storyline is second only to Imperial Operatives in sheer number of opportunities to get laid, and loads of them in assorted other media and time periods break, ignore, or skirt that rule.
Aayla Secura and Kit Fisto broke it during the Clone Wars. Luke Skywalker repealed it when he was Grand Master of the new Jedi Order after the Empire was toppled, nearly every Bioware game, Star Wars titles included, has optional sexual encounters… Joe would do fine as a Jedi. Though he might just be a latent Force-sensitive; likely a mechanic and/or card player.
I thought Smuggler got laid the most. Mine sure seemed able to shag every lady he met. (to Corso’s prudish -1 Rep every time) My Operative seems mostly to have luck with his Sith Lady. He’s a Chiss, not Human, so I heard that automatically excluded him from the Intel Lady he works with. Apparently in true Imp fashion, she only gets busy with other Humans. My knight is a female Twi’lek, so I don’t recall any lusty opportunities for her yet. (she’s only level 30) My Trooper had some opportunities, notably Sgt Jaxo, but once I started running with Elara Dorne, I stayed faithful to her and eventually married her.
I see Sarah more as a Fallen Jedi, or a Force Sensitive who has never received training. She’s the Jolee Bindo of the Walkyverse; she does good things, but has anger issues over it.
I dunno… Joyce is so straight that I could see her being something like Attack of the Clones-era Obi-Wan – So by-the-book that she is simply incapable of Falling. However, it also seriously inhibits her effectiveness and makes her a walking, talking irritant to others because of her insistence on keeping rigidly to the Rule.
Amber would be DoA Wars’ equivalent of Anakin Skywalker… or possibly Darth Revan… with poor Danny cast in the place of Bastilla Shan.
Joyce: Jedi Padawan, with careful teaching to slowly let go of her upbringing’s values. The Order are oblivious to her lapses to towards the Dark Side, but she’ll hopefully catch herself, unlike Annie.
Dorothy: Senator, with ties of friendship to the Order
Walky: Smuggler
Billie: disgruntled has-been swoop racer, likely to be used as a disposable apprentice by a Sith if she’s Force-sensitive
Amber: ex-Sith seeking redemption, assuming that we can classify ‘Dark Jedi’ like the Emperor’s Hands as Sith. Still lapsing into the Dark Side, and hates herself for it, but that only compounds the issue; pursued by the Jedi and/or Republic Intelligence for taking her vigilantism too far.
Danny: redshirt Clone trooper. Astromech if he’s lucky. Either way, he’s probably been released from working with Dorothy and seconded to serve the Jedi.
Sarah: Jedi Knight carefully watched and guided by the Council in the hopes that they can help her get over her hangups and keep her from the Dark Side.
Sal: Mandalorian by adoption.
Joe: Mechanic and mildly famous sabaac-shark; force-sensitive.
Ethan: Hapan Jedi Knight.
Dina: Probably a jedi, but not sure what race. Not Kaminoan, not Duros… maybe a Sullustan?
Ruth: Quite possibly a Sith Apprentice. If not that, then an unnecessarily brutal Captain of someone’s royal guard. Hell, she might have already pulled a military coup and seized leadership of some backwater Outer Rim planet to impose order through martial law. Goodness knows some of those hellholes could benefit from a strong hand, though her leadership wouldn’t be without casualties.
Becky: …probably a Jedi? Escaped from a backwater homeworld, probably the same one as Joyce, and befriended a smuggler (Walky?) who agreed to drop her off at the Jedi Temple. Likely to drop out of being a Jedi in favor of a smuggling life, but not before learning the ropes of a Knight, and she’d keep ties of friendship to the Order – they can always use more smuggler friends to help them get in and out of trouble.
Mike: Hard to say. Dude’s a fuckin’ enigma. He could be a Sith lord, he could be a legendary bounty hunter, he could be a bartender or ship technician. I like that last one; something about Mike refueling ships in a launch/landing bay fits, and it wouldn’t stop him from covertly bounty-hunting or Sith Lording with that as a cover. And it gives him plenty of opportunities to screw people over; one part missing from a hyperdrive and some asshole’s in trouble.
Roz: possibly another Senator, or at least some kind of political activist.
Jacob: Strong possibility that he could be a Jedi, but I feel like he’d make a great right-hand man to the Supreme Chancellor. He’s certainly easier on the eyes than that blubbery blue Chagrian who served as Palpatine’s Vice Chancellor.
Carla: Hard-as-nails Trooper. Possibly even a sergeant.
Marcie: Mandalorian.
I’m pretty sure that Danny would be the earnest and out-of-his-depth space pilot caught up in the mess of one powerful Jedi’s flirtation with the Dark Side and, despite his own lack of Force Powers, becomes the fulcrum on which her destiny is decided!
I wonder how far Sarah is willing to push this. Jacob likes Raidah obviously, and it wouldn’t be a stretch to assume that she’s told him about why she dislikes Sarah so much.
I’m betting we get to hear the story again, but this time from how Raidah remembers it.
Raidah has told her -highly skewed- version of the story to Jacob. Basically all she said was that Sarah got her friend kicked out of the school and that’s pretty much all she said.
I think that Sarah is willing to push this stupidly far, far enough that it causes terrible unanticipated consequences. She won’t realise that she’s gone to far until it is too late and someone is badly hurt, has their future ruined or both.
I can’t even with that girl.
Sarah’s roommate was depressed and misusing weed to the point the girl was missing class and spending all her time escaping her pain. Sarah did the right thing to save that girl. The fact the girl’s supposed “friends” act like Sarah was a bongo for doing it and have been bullying her and making sure Sarah is completely ostracized makes me think these girls deserved to be punched in the face, even though the girl in question’s supposed “threatening” from Sarah is pretty much more BS on her part.
To be fair, they didn’t know the full story. Sarah said it herself; she was the only one who saw how bad Dana was getting.
They had every reason to assume Sarah was only trying to weasel out of their blame when she tried to explain the situation, too. I think this is one of those “no one is right” scenarios.
They had no indication that Sarah held any particular dislike for her roommate which only leaves Sarah’s given reason for ratting her out.
In fact now that I think back about it Raidah never refuted that Dana’s coping was putting Sarah through hell and causing her academic performance to slip she just liked Dana enough, and never saw the downside, that it was price she was willing for Sarah to pay.
I’m starting to feel that while this will be a nobody’s right situation, it won’t be about Sarah’s previous decision but how she handles Raidah in the present.
I disagree. Dana was supposed to be Raidah best friend. How could she not know that Dana was so far down, and still ignore it.
Not to mention, if they wanted the story from Sarah, all they had to do was ask, instead, they attacked.
Not to mention it doesn’t seem like either Raidah or the rest of her group have ever even attempted to try and contact Dana to see how she’s doing. I’d say they are some pretty shitty friends.
“these girls deserved to be punched in the face” what in god’s name is everyone even thinking? Sarah has been the most bitter, unlikable character in the entire series. Her only motivation to get a guy is to sleep with him, despite him wanting serious relationships – and she pushes him away with her BS “oh you won’t like me, nobody does” and then believes in her self fulfilling prophecy.
And THEN she believes she gets to decide whom Jacob gets to chose, for some egotistic, complete narcissistic reason. She even does it in this very comic! Her only reason to woo this guy is to see her “enemy” cry and be miserable which is downright idiotic and childish, as if there “arch-enemies” who twirl moustaches and smoke gigantic cigars. I am baffled that everyone not keeps supporting Sarah, but also endorsing her BS.
Sarah has consistently shown herself to be loving, supportive, and defensive of Joyce, she’s just bad at showing it because the last time she tried to help someone it exploded in her face.
That’s kind of the thing about building up a big wall of “everyone hates me”; you keep finding reasons why they would want to, and you never allow yourself to just accept that people do care about you.
Also, Sara got Dina to act as the cutest agent in the history of spying. This alone justifies everything she could possibly do, including punching girls even meaner than she is in the face.
Remember, vladipati, beating the crap out of your abusive father is completely justified, so keep those crazy pills coming if you need them to stay sane.
You really can’t see why? I would say that it’s just your hatred of Sarah blinding you then rather than crazy pills. Have you never had a person who did a lot of wrong to you and you wanted some revenge on, or at the very least wanted your side of a story told? Raidah has been bullying Sarah for a foolish reason, and one of the effects of the bullying seems to be that “BS “oh you won’t like me, nobody does”” mindset you blame Sarah for. It should be understandable that people will encourage revenge against Raidah… or at least for Sarah to stand her ground against Raidah by telling Jacob her side of the story and the truth about what Raidah is like.
I can see why and I think it is idiotic. And yes, I have. All of that, I went through school-college-university and have been shamed by my school and hated by my friends – nothing out of that justifies punching someone like a rabid junkyard animal. I didn’t end up like Sarah, because I’m a real human being, but Sarah is being written like an insane person with no understanding how people act, and all she does is see herself as a martyr, which is egotistical to the max.
I disagree. Sarah hasn’t be depicted as particular egotistical or selfish. Not anymore than any person who protects themselves from unwarranted harm is selfish.
When given the choice she has gone out of her way to protect Joyce and she allowed a lot of Dana’s behavior slide until it became intolerable.
In that regard reporting her room mate, not ratting her out, but reporting her to the school, was the correct thing to do. Dana was self destructive and she was dragging Sarah down with her, Sarah had the right to defend
herself.
Then she got put through the ringer by everyone else who knew Dana.
She has been depicted as someone who clawed her way into college with good grades and a scholarship (contingent on those good grades) in order to achieve a better life for herself. If those grades slip away so does her opportunity to get her legal degree.
And there in lies part of her problem. College is not just an education, it’s a chance to network, and the implications are that Raidah and her friends have more wiggle room than Sarah who has to maintain an exacting academic standing. It is therefore much easier for Raidah and friends to assassinate Sarah’s character.
The simplest defense Sarah has is to simply bow out of the social game. And be bitter about it.
She saw Raidah with Jacob. She even sent Dina to act as the cutest agent in the history of spying.
I see this merely as Sarah trying to corral Jacob for herself. And if Raidah gets hurt and made to cry in the bargain, that’s just an unplanned but welcome bonus.
She even sent Dina to act as the cutest agent in the history of spying. — Oooo! Good point. I’m stealing it and using it first so that people that aren’t paying attention will think you’re copying me.
Then again, Sarah has had a major thing on for Jacob. She just is introverted enough that she really didn’t give a very good first impression(s). So she gave up trying.
Now when she see’s her arch rival making a play for him and decides to go after Jacob all over again…this makes her Evil?
Hasn’t this been the game that men and women have been playing since we all got kicked out of Eden?
She’s not pursuing the chance of a relationship with Jacob, she’s trying to break up Jacob and Raidah. She’s already accepted that her and Jacob are not going to be a thing. Only Joyce still thins that Jacob/Sarah will be a thing.
Y’know, for a long while now I’ve thought that nothing good will come of this petty and childish vendetta. Whose fault it is doesn’t matter anymore. Both sides are continually escalating; it can only make the final outcome very, very ugly for all participants.
I wouldn’t blame Jacob for telling both Sarah and Raidah to stay away from him on the grounds that he doesn’t want to be in the middle of two crazy people’s feud!
I suspect that may be the end result here. Hopefully Sarah realized that she was upset over that and that her feud with Raidah isn’t really worth the energy they’re putting into it.
The name of this comic is “DUMBING of Age”. Sarah is how old — perhaps 19? At 19, who knows who they are going to “give up on” — or for how long?
Sarah is, for all intents and purposes, still a crazy mixed-up kid (just like the rest of the cast). Not to mention that she is female and it’s a woman’s prerogative to change her mind.
She’s now shown, on screen, more interested in “interrupting someone elses’ happiness” than she is interested in “performing what’s required to maintain friendship.”
In fact, nearly all of her major points of agency have been destructive in some way.
She not ready for a boyfriend or even a platonic friend as much as she needs a shrink and he stopped just short of telling her as much, already.
As progressively-minded as this forum has been, I think we should add “shrink” to the list of pejoratives that could really stand to not be used anymore… people study psychology/psychiatry for years to earn those degrees, and calling them, literally, a belittling term is kind of mean.
Just pointing out there ain’t nothin’ wrong with “therapist” (unless you put a space in there)
So when he speaks to you, you’re just gonna be all “Fuck you Jacob you’re dating the biggest bongo this side of Neptune get out of my face” or what? What is your plan? I think perhaps you do not have one.
sarah and jacob never even had a remotely romantic interaction, he was just trying to be her friend. im pretty sure theres no way at all for her to date him at this point.
if she tries to get back their brief dynamic from before she can maybe befriend him, but if she changes things up hes probably going to realize whats going on
After reading the comic, and the discussion, and giving this WAY too much thought for a webcomic, I’ve realized I’d love to see this almost blow up in Sarah’s face, then she comes clean to Jacob about her entire plan. Motivation, reasoning, approach, everything. And then he accepts her for her honesty, and she finally has someone to be open with instead of building so many walls.
And Raidah can piss off; I still think Sarah did the right thing with Dana and Raidah’s refusal to accept it is bullshit.
Being with Jacob is what sh e wants and in all probability be a good healthy thing to have happen to her. If hating the shallow, judgmental cow is the motivation Sarah needs to get past her esteem issues and make a serious play for Jacob, then it’s all good…
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So Jacob’s working at Shortpacked! again, looks like? Or he just still has the uniform?
I’m telling you; it’s Crisis on Infinite Willisverses.
eventually they will have to face walky prime.
Naw, Anti-Willis. Walky Prime will just Retcon Punch stuff.
Willis would be the one-above-all
fuck just remembered thats a marvel character.
You’re thinking of The Presence
One Above All is Marvel (and is also Jack Kirby), The Presence is the Judeo Christian God in DC.
The one who fired Eclipso and replaced him with The Spectre?
Indeed. In the DCU the Christian God is the defacto head of creation.
I kind of prefer how Marvel does it with a vague God Above Gods instead.
Or the Fulcrum, assuming the theory that The One Above All and the Fulcrum (aka “Jack”) aren’t one and the same. Often believed they are, due to the Celestials being an both an enigma and more a source of prologue for the bulk of the major players in the Marvel Universe than actual players themselves. I know they’ve been making recent appearances in Marvel Comics under a decade old, but I don’t think it’s yet been made clear if The Fulcrum is an actual Celestial in addition to being the entity all their actions serve…
Dickies had a sale on those shirts. I know, I have one myself!
You have a sale yourself?
This is Shortpacked! Jacob. It’s hard to get work after your webcomic ends, so he works as a body double for DoA Jacob.
Other Other-Jacob?
wowee, this story thread has been a long time coming!
Mere weeks.
Oh man, this isn’t going to go well.
nah, it’ll be fine. sarah is clearly using the force. though, admittedly, it is the dark side. but hey, beggars can’t be choosers!
How to recruit people to the Dark Side:,,Join the Dark Side! We got cookies!”
Later:,,What? You surprised we lied about the cookies?”
but the cake is definitely, definitely real
So says my shirt 🙂
Works well for recruiting all the cookie lovers.
So sad.
Meh. The Dark Side is basically just embracing emotion and harnessing its power. If the Jedi weren’t so blindly opposed to it, maybe it wouldn’t be mainly dangerously unhinged individuals resorting to it.
Yes, I’m biased, but emotional repression is generally a bad idea, and too many Jedi choose it over true serenity.
…anyway, Jedi, Sith, or adept, Sarah would make a frightfully competent force-user.
It’s been suggested that, to become the most powerful force-person, one would instead find a balance between both sides.
I hold firmly to that philosophy. The most successful Sith are those that can harness their emotions without abandoning rational thought.
The Jedi and Sith were, in the setting’s ancient history, a single order. (Depending on which sources you believe.) Dark and light are two sides of the same coin; trying to isolate them will only end in suffering.
The hate is strong in this one….
To feel love, joy, anger, and yes, even hate, is to be human.
Hate is kinda overrated though. It’s not worth the power it gives.
Yeah, true for most maybe, but Sarah’s hate is so much more abundant than all her other emotions combined, it still makes up the majority of her power. xD
If only the RPG’s were set up to allow that as an option…
Some fun facts about the Force for you:
1) The Dark Side is inherently unnatural, it’s not supposed to exist it’s like a cancer in the Force.
2) It drives it’s users batshit nuts
3) It’s addictive and only works for negative emotions
4) You can’t balance the Dark side with the true Force
To begin with, the Force isn’t supposed to be the “light side”. it’s supposeed to the the equilibrum.
True. Jedi and Sith are at the extreme ends of the spectrum. Something in the middle would probably be more healthy. =)
Just like good and evil are extreme ends of the spectrum. Something in the middle is obviously much more healthy. =0
Maybe we could just enslave half the human race and use that to better the lives of the other half.
I believe white people already tried that
Nah, the white people were never united. They conquered everyone because they could it didn’t make their lives better it just made everyone else’s lives worse.
No. Jedi are the equilibrium. They’re supposed to be balanced. The Dark side uses negative emotions to corrupt the Force.
Disloyal, have you noticed too that the ultimate result of following the good side of the Force is death and defeat while the Dark Side wins over and over again? That wasn’t the light Darth Vader used to save the day in Return of the Jedi…
Maybe she can use the force when Toedad comes back. (Waives hand) “This isn’t the lesbian daughter you are looking for.”
The Let Raidah Take Your Morose Bottom To Hell With You Force, I’d say. We’ve already seen evidence that Raidah is simply going to get sneakier and more investable with her Jerry Springer bullshit, but Sarah is heading down a path that could turn her into an actual net loss….Mike’s missing this. I just realized. He should watch this.
Panel 4 derpface…
Jacob’s shirt looks a little Shortpacked.
She really wants to ping Raidah, doesn’t she?
Is that what they’re calling it now?
Well “ping” is hit once, AKA Gibbslap. You’re thinking “Pound into a fine red mist.”
But I couldn’t think of a euphemism that would work with Raidah’s name to convey that sort of violence.
She really wants to ‘Raid’ Raidah.
As in, the insect killer.
In her FACE.
You have been around this forum long enough, you know better.
it is “FAAAAAACCCCCEEEE”
(note, number of As, Cs and Es chosen at random)
This is beginning to feel like the scenario that usually ends with a kid, flying high on anti-depressants, walking into a classroom with a bootleg assault rifle and shotgun.
Ultimately you’re right; it’s just that Jacob is the one eventually with the shotgun. The scenario is more complicated than you imagine. If you recall from other universes, he is a sexual addict waiting to happen. This is how it starts.
Anti-depressants don’t get you high any more than insulin does.
You’re telling me I’ve been sniffing those all those years for *nothing*? Dang.
when has that ever been a scenario
I don’t know… Just about every mass shooting in recent history? Especially in a higher education establishment?
Having some form of mental illness that requires medication does not mean you’re liable to snap and start murdering everyone around you.
Now a culture that romanticizes the shooters and puts every detail of them on display for the public to gawk at, as well as a near unrestricted access to firearms? Pretty sure that contributes more than a little.
The problem is, of course, that you don’t need mental illness to have been prescribed anti-depressants.
However, that is a strawman and it isn’t the point I’m making. The point is that I’m trying to make is that this is the sort of scenario that can and does lead to stress-related illnesses and destructive ideation. Ideation that, as Spencer points out, is very, very easy to turn into a reality.
what do you think antidepressants do that you think that people without depression using them is somehow an alarming problem
i mean, first you say they get you high, now you’re saying there’s some epidemic of non-depressed people using them and going on rampages
do you have some sort of huge ass you’re yanking this from or just some awful anti-gmo or conspiracy website
The particular anti-depressants I’m talking about are SSRIs, a family of psychiatric medicines that also include some recent powerful anti-psychotics. By their manufacturers’ own admission, one side effect (although they claim it is a rare one), they cause extremely violent and suicidal ideation in some users or if the user stops taking them suddenly. There is also well-documented concerns that doctors prescribe high-power psychiatric medication to treat stress and unhappiness, which they have misdiagnosed as depression.
Just saying, man, basically everyone I’ve ever known is on anti-depressants, and it’s the reason they’re still alive, and none of them have ever felt the need to shoot up a school. They do, however, get fucking shade from everybody about how antidepressants are awful and terrible and nobody really needs them and stuff like what you said above. You can’t even fucking say the word “anti-depressants” without some rando going off on a spiel about how they’re overdiagnosed. It’s tiring.
I could well believe that if you snap and start murdering everyone around you it could lead to some form of mental illness.
Whether you can get high on anti-depressants is empirically testable, but I must personally decline because I fear it would interfere with my current experiments to determine if contemplation of theoretical physics can drive drive you mad.
You can imagine my disappointment if the answer turns out to be “no.”
If the answer is no, you are not working on a high enough level of theory…
I’ve been on antidepressants twice, and I’m still on them from the second time.
The anti-depressant problems seen in the current class of drugs I’m using are related to the initial first week or two. Mood-swings are the main characteristics. Suicides and deaths related to, say, thinking you can fly, are the ones I’ve seen documented. I felt just little too happy, then sad. My moods stabilized after a while, which is the normal (hate that phrase, but can’t think of a better) reaction.
I’ve been on the one I’ve been on for 5 years. I’ve yet to go postal.
I still get happy, sad, angry. I don’t however wish to go walking off the roof. Bad times.
So for me, anti-depressants have helped immensely.
HTH
Unfortunately, for some suceptible people, anti-depressant medication can trigger an unprecedented manic episode, which can potentially lead to destructive behaviour if left unchecked. But that’s more a problem of how they’re prescribed than the meds themselves. Like a renowned psychiatrist said : “We are the only profession which doesn’t look at the organ we’re supposed to treat, so we really are just throwing darts in the dark and hoping it doesn’t harm the patient.”
Perhaps that was what he meant by “high”. High as in manic, not stoned.
Sadly, it’s not just BenRG
http://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepressants.html#
yeah see above re: “anti-gmo or conspiracy websites”
I’m still not entirely convinced that you don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about. If you could say something like “They’re putting it in our water supply! Big Pharma! Argle bargle!”, that would really help.
Seriously, SSRIs are the weaksauce of antidepressants. They can take weeks to kick in, they aren’t addictive, and they most certainly don’t make you high. A glass of wine makes me higher than SSRIs ever did.
As for side effects: what isn’t on those lists? They’re either hilarious or frightening, depending on how hypochondriacal you are, but the bottom line is, you either take antidepressants with heaps of possible side effects, or you don’t take antidepressants. There can be a lot of a trial and error, because the brain is still far from fully understood, and people are different. Nevertheless, SSRIs are routinely prescribed as a first line of defense against depression, before (perhaps unnecessarily) trying the stronger stuff.
DDOS time. More pings than you can shake a stick at.
sarah would make a great motivational hate-mongr–err speaker. motivational speaker
Actually, she seems to be pretty bad at communicating motivation, and the key to sowing hate isn’t just hating – it’s giving people a reason to hate.
Don’t you hate speakers like that? Oh, wait.
LET THE HATE CONSUME YOU!!
UNLIMITED! POOWAAHHH!!
Unlimited rice pudding!
50 McNuggets.
A nickle. And …
That petered out quickly.
your mom
See? You have to wait for it.
You mean like your mom waited for it last night?
To be fair, I’m hoping she can at least get a chance to give her side of the story with Dana and whatnot.
I’d sure like to hear from DANA, tbh
I think it might be for the best if we never see Dana again.
One of the most effective things about the whole feud between Raidah and Sarah is that they’re both utterly convinced of their own righteousness, and I think we should always be guessing whether Sarah’s actions ultimately helped Dana.
I’m conflicted, normally I wouldn’t condone this type of behaviour but since its Sarah I’m preapred to be ok with it
Funny you should say that considering who your gravatar is.
now i would just like everyone to envision all of the people that you have hated in your life. now imagine that they had been introduced to you as protagonists in this comic.
isn’t it weird how we’re more sympathetic to sarah’s darkness because we grew to like her first and learned things from her perspective. wonder how we’d feel about blaine or toe-dad if we’d first learned in detail that they had terribly traumatic up-bringings
We’d learn they have even less reason to be assholes than Mike.
Anyway, I read Death Note, so don’t think it changes much.
wha-? who in death note has a traumatic past that gives us new appreciation for their perspective? as i recall, light had no issues and i liked him fine until his psychotic ego-trips dominated his character
The protagonist.
I don’t know how you can like Light fine for flagrant MURDER, criminals or no. Remember, the second dude he killed was just being a bit of an arrogant jerk to a woman, nothing death-worthy.
This page of Gunnerkrigg comes to mind, too–okay, maybe he had reasons, but that doesn’t excuse anything.
AKA Protagonist Centred Morality trope.
Well plotting to break up a relationship isn’t in the same league as Blaine or Toe-Dad so its all good for me, unless I’m merely trying to justify it to myself
Just think of it as a ‘reverse Parent Trap’. Wacky hijinks, lots of good clean fun, a relationship is shattered, everyone’s happy in the end. Well, except for the antagonists, whom no one is supposed to like, anyway – who cares about them?
Blaine may very well have (Toe-dad I figure is less likely). I still find it irrelevant. I even understand where Toe-dad is coming from. He sees himself as fighting to save his daughter from a universe gone wrong, where everything he’s been taught all his life to reject as unholy is becoming mundane.
And he’s still wrong. Empathy and approval are two different beasts.
Likewise, I get where Sara’s coming from. She’s still wrong.
I dunno, ToeDad was raised in the same community as his daughter. Maybe not quite ‘traumatic,’ but certainly horrific, and it molded him into the antagonist he is today.
It’s probably too late to fix him though, so whatever tragedy is in his backstory is ultimately irrelevant.
good, thank you. sarah and toe-dad are both wrong, it just bothers me how easily people sort sarah into the ‘good but wrong’ pile and the bad dads into the ‘evil terrible wrong’ pile before proceeding to exonerate one and vilify the others. some wrong people are much less excusable, but can’t we all just concede that, no matter how wrong someone is, they are still a person whose brain is working on some flawed logic?
personally, i feel empathy but not approval for toe-dad as well. blaine, i just wish he’d get some anger management classes. sarah is trickier, but her earnest talk with dina was the closest i’ve seen her get to constructive introspection
Blaine’s problem isn’t just anger management. He has control issues like old testament god! Plus given the nature of his ego, I can’t see how counseling would help since he seems like he’d simply reject the notion that there is anything wrong with him and his behaviour… Although, we don’t know enough about that character and his thought process for me to be certain about this.
Blaine and Ross are “evil and wrong” because they, you know, abuse their loved ones. Sarah’s 20 years old. She doesn’t have the capacity to cause as much damage as they have.
but then evil is situational. if blaine were in jail, he would have very little capacity to hurt others. and would that mean that his behavior would be ok from a 20-year-old? the aspect of his character that i find most ‘evil’ is largely his ability to selfishly cause what he must be able to recognize as harm to others without remorse.
ross doesn’t fall under this same label because he doesn’t see what he’s doing as harm. i do think that ross genuinely believes that he’s helping. with him, the most disagreeable character trait is his inability to recognize the harm he’s doing. if we should learn that he realizes how badly he’s hurting becky and that he’s doing all of this to her despite being aware that she can’t actually be cured or happy or redeemed, then that would be another step beyond him doing all of this with good intentions.
sarah might have some just motives, but she may not have good intentions. her biggest redeeming quality is that at no point does she make the observer believe that she would stoop to intentionally causing serious harm. she plans to make raidah cry, but i don’t think that we expect he to intentionally or accidentally do anything as bad as what either of the dads have done.
i’m not trying to pass final judgement on anyone, i’m just saying that if we decide to treat these characters like real people, then good and evil are complicated. and it couldn’t hurt to think a little harder before hating people in real life either.
Not that I would disagree, but sadly there are plenty of 20yos (and younger!) who’ve caused significantly more damage than even Blaine and Toedad combined.
Sarah can do no wrong. She even sent Dina to act as the cutest agent in the history of spying.
Honestly… I wouldn’t normally condone this type of behaviour either, but since I think there’s about a 0% chance this is going to go how Sarah wants it to, I’m okay with it too 😉
She’s kinda in a no loss scenario. If she hurts their relationship she wins, if she fails she’s no worse off.
Whereas I, who am normally on Sarah’s side, am sad and disappointed to see her doing this.
Wanting things for yourself is one thing. Wanting something specifically to [i]deny[/i] it to someone else, to [i]hurt[/i] them… that’s wrong, IMO.
curse you, comment system.
Sure. Blame the victim.
Starting to think that Sarah really is Evil, then again so is Mike and we love him for it.
I wouldn’t call her evil, but I also wouldn’t call her straight good. She seems mainly concerned with herself and close friends. True neutral?
Even Evil has loved ones.
Also Mike transcends evil.
Sarah is totally Evil. The sooner she accepts and embraces it, the happier she’ll be.
Can’t say the same for the people she dislikes, though.
If we’re gonna hold to alignments, then I’m gonna invoke an optional rule from Unearthed Arcana and call her True Neutral, with Lawful and Evil tendencies.
She’s spiteful, and maybe a little self-centered, but not really evil.
I don’t think she’s spiteful. I think she has a good solid reason for disliking Rideah. That girls close friend was Sarah’s room mate and was drugging herself to death. Her good friend Rideah didn’t see it or didn’t want to see it. When Sarah contacted the girls dad and told him what was going on, he came got her from school and got her help.
Note Sarah did not go to the college and get the girl kicked out.
In return Rideah, instead of thanking Sarah, just blasted her for getting her friend kicked out of school.
Sarah readily admitted that she was afraid the girl may get them both kicked out but if she were truly self-centered then she wouldn’t have hesitated to just turn her in.
And Rideah and her gang harassed the Hell out of Sarah ever since. So yeah, if Sarah is bitter, she had good reason imo.
You’re right, I chose the wrong word. ‘Vengeful’ isn’t quite right though. Vindictive?
I didn’t choose ‘spiteful’ for her behavior towards Raidah, though; her general bitter attitude is what motivated that description.
we can’t really fault him for it because mike being evil is one of the supporting-pillar truths of the universe. every time he drinks the universe sags a bit in the middle
I’d actually call his drunk behaviour the exception that confirms the rule.
Sarah is… a late-teen woman who has been bullied for doing the right thing and has lots of hormone-driven rivalry issues with the head bully. That makes her do stupid and malicious things and create elaborate self-justifications for doing so. She’s not a fully-mature adult and shouldn’t be expected to show the behaviours of one.
That doesn’t mean that this stupidity might not blow up in her face in the worst possible way. It also doesn’t mean that the maturing process won’t be painful.
She’s smart and mean.
I don’t love Mike, even if sometimes I laugh with him.
I’ve been more attuned to “Altruistic” and “Selfish” over “Good” and “Evil”, myself. Even Hollywood pits the Bad Guys as being self-concerned rather than “for the benefit of all.”
(although I did watch Sneakers again last night to semi-disprove myself, but it’s the idea of forcing one’s own philosophy upon everyone else rather than letting everyone forge their own way)
Wow, Jacob’s shirt really does look like a Shortpacked uniform doesn’t it?
When you need a bit motivation, imagine the people you don’t like crying.
Doesn’t do it for me; it just makes me angry at them for being too pathetic to be justifiably angry at, or worse, sympathetic to them.
Screaming, on the other hand… now that’s motivation.
That doesn’t do it for me either. I have too much sympathy.
But. I like to imagine them throwing themselves into a wall head-first at full speed. Figuratively, of course. But maybe not so figuratively for people who drive so dangerously that they put innocent people’s lives on the line.
Man, Willis, you ninjaed my comment in the hovertext again.
Go ahead and make it anyway. If you don’t then someone else will.
lmaooo this is absolutely glorious.
And then Sarah realizes she truly loved Jacob all along!
Where’s everyone else? Did the Rapture go down?
Isn’t it Rapture go up?
And down. Good people, up. Bad people, down.
So, mostly down.
Nonononono, first comes the great battle between all Good and all Evil, *then* they sort out who’s on which side. Of course, before they go to battle, the Antichrist has to get the ball rolling…
The real unanswered question is, why did Jacob come to class so early?
In hopes Sarah would be there.
Is Sarah wearing tight clothing?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iAsSlznoFiE
I love that mug. Best of all, it’s like the helmets it’s modeled after in that it accumulates stains and damage to distinguish it from brand-new ones without losing any effectiveness.
omg panel 3-4 sarah is so cute
She really needs to get over her hate boner. That is the only she is going to get onto a normal boner.
How does one rub out their hate-boner anyhow?
Think of funny/cute cat videos.
Same way as normal, but watching cat videos. And looking at pictures of sad puppies.
By harvesting the tears of the broken and defeated object of their hate, and then cackling at their misfortune, furiously rubbing the hate-boner away to nothing with the painfully inadequate lube that is the tears.
*Sarah licks Raidah’s face as she weeps uncontrollably*
Oh, your tears taste SOO GOOOD! Gimme MORE!
*continues licking*
Obviously with furious rubbing.
I hate everyone we are all so terrible
I love everyone. We are all so terrible, wonderful, and free.
Mike loves everyone’s mother. And for only a nickle.
It’s true. We deserve whatever we get.
Which, it seems, will be more DoA.
We must have been terribly deserving in a past life.
Well, yeah; this is guaranteed to end up in tears.
The hovertext is making me ponder this question:
“Which DoA cast members would be Jedi and which would be Sith.”
Go! 😉
Walky: Smuggler
Joyce: Jedi
Dorothy: Jedi
Blaine: Sith
Toe dad: with
Mike: bounty hunter
Amber: Jedi
Sarah: Jedi
What about Joe? Also a Jedi?,,remembers a specific rule of the Jedi” uhh yeah..not gonna work.
Joe would have some other good based job
Chancellor of the New Republic?
Ever played Star Wars: The Old Republic? Jedi Knights’ storyline is second only to Imperial Operatives in sheer number of opportunities to get laid, and loads of them in assorted other media and time periods break, ignore, or skirt that rule.
Aayla Secura and Kit Fisto broke it during the Clone Wars. Luke Skywalker repealed it when he was Grand Master of the new Jedi Order after the Empire was toppled, nearly every Bioware game, Star Wars titles included, has optional sexual encounters… Joe would do fine as a Jedi. Though he might just be a latent Force-sensitive; likely a mechanic and/or card player.
I thought Smuggler got laid the most. Mine sure seemed able to shag every lady he met. (to Corso’s prudish -1 Rep every time) My Operative seems mostly to have luck with his Sith Lady. He’s a Chiss, not Human, so I heard that automatically excluded him from the Intel Lady he works with. Apparently in true Imp fashion, she only gets busy with other Humans. My knight is a female Twi’lek, so I don’t recall any lusty opportunities for her yet. (she’s only level 30) My Trooper had some opportunities, notably Sgt Jaxo, but once I started running with Elara Dorne, I stayed faithful to her and eventually married her.
My sniper (male) got in on with pretty much every female he met.
I see Sarah more as a Fallen Jedi, or a Force Sensitive who has never received training. She’s the Jolee Bindo of the Walkyverse; she does good things, but has anger issues over it.
with the religious connotations, i think dorothy and joyce would view the force very differently.
“the force should be revered and worshiped!”
“it’s not conscious! just be good and use it responsibly.”
Joyce, Amber and Sarah as Jedi? The three people with emotional control problems? All three would end up on the Dark Side.
I dunno… Joyce is so straight that I could see her being something like Attack of the Clones-era Obi-Wan – So by-the-book that she is simply incapable of Falling. However, it also seriously inhibits her effectiveness and makes her a walking, talking irritant to others because of her insistence on keeping rigidly to the Rule.
Amber would be DoA Wars’ equivalent of Anakin Skywalker… or possibly Darth Revan… with poor Danny cast in the place of Bastilla Shan.
Sarah’s got two feet in the dark side right now. Joyce I can see resisting the pull. Amber… coin’s up in the air.
Agatha = Jedi
Joyce: Jedi Padawan, with careful teaching to slowly let go of her upbringing’s values. The Order are oblivious to her lapses to towards the Dark Side, but she’ll hopefully catch herself, unlike Annie.
Dorothy: Senator, with ties of friendship to the Order
Walky: Smuggler
Billie: disgruntled has-been swoop racer, likely to be used as a disposable apprentice by a Sith if she’s Force-sensitive
Amber: ex-Sith seeking redemption, assuming that we can classify ‘Dark Jedi’ like the Emperor’s Hands as Sith. Still lapsing into the Dark Side, and hates herself for it, but that only compounds the issue; pursued by the Jedi and/or Republic Intelligence for taking her vigilantism too far.
Danny: redshirt Clone trooper. Astromech if he’s lucky. Either way, he’s probably been released from working with Dorothy and seconded to serve the Jedi.
Sarah: Jedi Knight carefully watched and guided by the Council in the hopes that they can help her get over her hangups and keep her from the Dark Side.
Sal: Mandalorian by adoption.
Joe: Mechanic and mildly famous sabaac-shark; force-sensitive.
Ethan: Hapan Jedi Knight.
Dina: Probably a jedi, but not sure what race. Not Kaminoan, not Duros… maybe a Sullustan?
Ruth: Quite possibly a Sith Apprentice. If not that, then an unnecessarily brutal Captain of someone’s royal guard. Hell, she might have already pulled a military coup and seized leadership of some backwater Outer Rim planet to impose order through martial law. Goodness knows some of those hellholes could benefit from a strong hand, though her leadership wouldn’t be without casualties.
Becky: …probably a Jedi? Escaped from a backwater homeworld, probably the same one as Joyce, and befriended a smuggler (Walky?) who agreed to drop her off at the Jedi Temple. Likely to drop out of being a Jedi in favor of a smuggling life, but not before learning the ropes of a Knight, and she’d keep ties of friendship to the Order – they can always use more smuggler friends to help them get in and out of trouble.
Mike: Hard to say. Dude’s a fuckin’ enigma. He could be a Sith lord, he could be a legendary bounty hunter, he could be a bartender or ship technician. I like that last one; something about Mike refueling ships in a launch/landing bay fits, and it wouldn’t stop him from covertly bounty-hunting or Sith Lording with that as a cover. And it gives him plenty of opportunities to screw people over; one part missing from a hyperdrive and some asshole’s in trouble.
Roz: possibly another Senator, or at least some kind of political activist.
Jacob: Strong possibility that he could be a Jedi, but I feel like he’d make a great right-hand man to the Supreme Chancellor. He’s certainly easier on the eyes than that blubbery blue Chagrian who served as Palpatine’s Vice Chancellor.
Carla: Hard-as-nails Trooper. Possibly even a sergeant.
Marcie: Mandalorian.
Danny: C3P0.
Dina: R2D2.
I’m pretty sure that Danny would be the earnest and out-of-his-depth space pilot caught up in the mess of one powerful Jedi’s flirtation with the Dark Side and, despite his own lack of Force Powers, becomes the fulcrum on which her destiny is decided!
I wonder how far Sarah is willing to push this. Jacob likes Raidah obviously, and it wouldn’t be a stretch to assume that she’s told him about why she dislikes Sarah so much.
I’m betting we get to hear the story again, but this time from how Raidah remembers it.
Raidah has told her -highly skewed- version of the story to Jacob. Basically all she said was that Sarah got her friend kicked out of the school and that’s pretty much all she said.
I think that Sarah is willing to push this stupidly far, far enough that it causes terrible unanticipated consequences. She won’t realise that she’s gone to far until it is too late and someone is badly hurt, has their future ruined or both.
I have a feeling this is going to go horribly.
when has it not?
That’s kind of a tagline for this series, isn’t it?
Follow that dream, Sarah.
Hey, hey
You, you
I don’t like your girlfriend
No way, no way
I think you need a new one
……sarah would not approve
Which only makes it better!
Yea, but she married Chad Kroeger, so I wouldn’t put much faith in her opinion.
I can’t even with that girl.
Sarah’s roommate was depressed and misusing weed to the point the girl was missing class and spending all her time escaping her pain. Sarah did the right thing to save that girl. The fact the girl’s supposed “friends” act like Sarah was a bongo for doing it and have been bullying her and making sure Sarah is completely ostracized makes me think these girls deserved to be punched in the face, even though the girl in question’s supposed “threatening” from Sarah is pretty much more BS on her part.
To be fair, they didn’t know the full story. Sarah said it herself; she was the only one who saw how bad Dana was getting.
They had every reason to assume Sarah was only trying to weasel out of their blame when she tried to explain the situation, too. I think this is one of those “no one is right” scenarios.
They had no indication that Sarah held any particular dislike for her roommate which only leaves Sarah’s given reason for ratting her out.
In fact now that I think back about it Raidah never refuted that Dana’s coping was putting Sarah through hell and causing her academic performance to slip she just liked Dana enough, and never saw the downside, that it was price she was willing for Sarah to pay.
I’m starting to feel that while this will be a nobody’s right situation, it won’t be about Sarah’s previous decision but how she handles Raidah in the present.
I disagree. Dana was supposed to be Raidah best friend. How could she not know that Dana was so far down, and still ignore it.
Not to mention, if they wanted the story from Sarah, all they had to do was ask, instead, they attacked.
Not to mention it doesn’t seem like either Raidah or the rest of her group have ever even attempted to try and contact Dana to see how she’s doing. I’d say they are some pretty shitty friends.
It’s implied that Raidah’s been keeping tabs on Dana since she left, and Dana doesn’t thinking she’s getting better.
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/06-strange-beerfellows/absolve/
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!
“these girls deserved to be punched in the face” what in god’s name is everyone even thinking? Sarah has been the most bitter, unlikable character in the entire series. Her only motivation to get a guy is to sleep with him, despite him wanting serious relationships – and she pushes him away with her BS “oh you won’t like me, nobody does” and then believes in her self fulfilling prophecy.
And THEN she believes she gets to decide whom Jacob gets to chose, for some egotistic, complete narcissistic reason. She even does it in this very comic! Her only reason to woo this guy is to see her “enemy” cry and be miserable which is downright idiotic and childish, as if there “arch-enemies” who twirl moustaches and smoke gigantic cigars. I am baffled that everyone not keeps supporting Sarah, but also endorsing her BS.
/rant
Sarah has consistently shown herself to be loving, supportive, and defensive of Joyce, she’s just bad at showing it because the last time she tried to help someone it exploded in her face.
That’s kind of the thing about building up a big wall of “everyone hates me”; you keep finding reasons why they would want to, and you never allow yourself to just accept that people do care about you.
Also, Sara got Dina to act as the cutest agent in the history of spying. This alone justifies everything she could possibly do, including punching girls even meaner than she is in the face.
Remember, vladipati, beating the crap out of your abusive father is completely justified, so keep those crazy pills coming if you need them to stay sane.
Lol, if you consider that as a justification for physical violence then I am taking crazy pills.
You really can’t see why? I would say that it’s just your hatred of Sarah blinding you then rather than crazy pills. Have you never had a person who did a lot of wrong to you and you wanted some revenge on, or at the very least wanted your side of a story told? Raidah has been bullying Sarah for a foolish reason, and one of the effects of the bullying seems to be that “BS “oh you won’t like me, nobody does”” mindset you blame Sarah for. It should be understandable that people will encourage revenge against Raidah… or at least for Sarah to stand her ground against Raidah by telling Jacob her side of the story and the truth about what Raidah is like.
I can see why and I think it is idiotic. And yes, I have. All of that, I went through school-college-university and have been shamed by my school and hated by my friends – nothing out of that justifies punching someone like a rabid junkyard animal. I didn’t end up like Sarah, because I’m a real human being, but Sarah is being written like an insane person with no understanding how people act, and all she does is see herself as a martyr, which is egotistical to the max.
I disagree. Sarah hasn’t be depicted as particular egotistical or selfish. Not anymore than any person who protects themselves from unwarranted harm is selfish.
When given the choice she has gone out of her way to protect Joyce and she allowed a lot of Dana’s behavior slide until it became intolerable.
In that regard reporting her room mate, not ratting her out, but reporting her to the school, was the correct thing to do. Dana was self destructive and she was dragging Sarah down with her, Sarah had the right to defend
herself.
Then she got put through the ringer by everyone else who knew Dana.
She has been depicted as someone who clawed her way into college with good grades and a scholarship (contingent on those good grades) in order to achieve a better life for herself. If those grades slip away so does her opportunity to get her legal degree.
And there in lies part of her problem. College is not just an education, it’s a chance to network, and the implications are that Raidah and her friends have more wiggle room than Sarah who has to maintain an exacting academic standing. It is therefore much easier for Raidah and friends to assassinate Sarah’s character.
The simplest defense Sarah has is to simply bow out of the social game. And be bitter about it.
Yesssssss…
Saraaaah.
Remember, your primary wish is to bang him. Stay focused.
But they aren’t mutually exclusive goals. Logically connected in fact.
Actually, I’d say her primary wish is as visualized above – to made Raidah cry. Tickling tonsils with Jacob is just gravy.
Sweet, SWEET gravy.
She saw Raidah with Jacob. She even sent Dina to act as the cutest agent in the history of spying.
I see this merely as Sarah trying to corral Jacob for herself. And if Raidah gets hurt and made to cry in the bargain, that’s just an unplanned but welcome bonus.
She even sent Dina to act as the cutest agent in the history of spying. — Oooo! Good point. I’m stealing it and using it first so that people that aren’t paying attention will think you’re copying me.
But … not exactly unplanned. She’s planning it now.
Then again, Sarah has had a major thing on for Jacob. She just is introverted enough that she really didn’t give a very good first impression(s). So she gave up trying.
Now when she see’s her arch rival making a play for him and decides to go after Jacob all over again…this makes her Evil?
Hasn’t this been the game that men and women have been playing since we all got kicked out of Eden?
She’s not pursuing the chance of a relationship with Jacob, she’s trying to break up Jacob and Raidah. She’s already accepted that her and Jacob are not going to be a thing. Only Joyce still thins that Jacob/Sarah will be a thing.
Her actions are motivated entirely by spite here.
this is definitely going to be a positive interaction
morally enriching.
Y’know, for a long while now I’ve thought that nothing good will come of this petty and childish vendetta. Whose fault it is doesn’t matter anymore. Both sides are continually escalating; it can only make the final outcome very, very ugly for all participants.
I wouldn’t blame Jacob for telling both Sarah and Raidah to stay away from him on the grounds that he doesn’t want to be in the middle of two crazy people’s feud!
I suspect that may be the end result here. Hopefully Sarah realized that she was upset over that and that her feud with Raidah isn’t really worth the energy they’re putting into it.
*realizes. Or would realize.
That’s kinda was Sarah is going for. Remember, she said she’d given up on him but doesn’t want Raidah to have him either.
The name of this comic is “DUMBING of Age”. Sarah is how old — perhaps 19? At 19, who knows who they are going to “give up on” — or for how long?
Sarah is, for all intents and purposes, still a crazy mixed-up kid (just like the rest of the cast). Not to mention that she is female and it’s a woman’s prerogative to change her mind.
Ahhhhh this is going to go so badly
How badly it goes depends a lot of Jacob. Sarah is wrong for doing this, it’s for the wrong reason, but I do understand how she feels.
She’s now shown, on screen, more interested in “interrupting someone elses’ happiness” than she is interested in “performing what’s required to maintain friendship.”
In fact, nearly all of her major points of agency have been destructive in some way.
She not ready for a boyfriend or even a platonic friend as much as she needs a shrink and he stopped just short of telling her as much, already.
As progressively-minded as this forum has been, I think we should add “shrink” to the list of pejoratives that could really stand to not be used anymore… people study psychology/psychiatry for years to earn those degrees, and calling them, literally, a belittling term is kind of mean.
Just pointing out there ain’t nothin’ wrong with “therapist” (unless you put a space in there)
https://youtu.be/GB5dmv9WYVY?t=68
So when he speaks to you, you’re just gonna be all “Fuck you Jacob you’re dating the biggest bongo this side of Neptune get out of my face” or what? What is your plan? I think perhaps you do not have one.
sarah and jacob never even had a remotely romantic interaction, he was just trying to be her friend. im pretty sure theres no way at all for her to date him at this point.
if she tries to get back their brief dynamic from before she can maybe befriend him, but if she changes things up hes probably going to realize whats going on
She’s not trying to date him, she’s trying to keep Raidah from getting him either.
yeah, but isnt the method shes intending to use stealing him away from raidah? im just saying theres no way thatll work.
she could break him and raidah up, probably, if she was honest and open. theres pretty much zero way shell do that.
“This is good, but what is the best in life?”
“Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of the women.”
Cue the threesome.
EVERYONE: “Wait? What?”
Sorry, our “hate fucks” section is full.
Can’t happen. It’s bigger on the inside.
After reading the comic, and the discussion, and giving this WAY too much thought for a webcomic, I’ve realized I’d love to see this almost blow up in Sarah’s face, then she comes clean to Jacob about her entire plan. Motivation, reasoning, approach, everything. And then he accepts her for her honesty, and she finally has someone to be open with instead of building so many walls.
And Raidah can piss off; I still think Sarah did the right thing with Dana and Raidah’s refusal to accept it is bullshit.
The thought of making your rival suffer….it fills you with determination. (Undertale is a great game go play it)
Everything will be fine! I sense ponies, rain-bows and unicorns around the corner!
I mean yeah, obviously. What else could happen? NOTHING I TELL YOU, NOTHING.
Also, have you considered the opportunities of investing in Real Estate?
I might be able to point out some bridge related opportunities.
Being with Jacob is what sh e wants and in all probability be a good healthy thing to have happen to her. If hating the shallow, judgmental cow is the motivation Sarah needs to get past her esteem issues and make a serious play for Jacob, then it’s all good…
Also she even sent Dina to act as the cutest agent in the history of spying.
Embrace the hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqTvN_jddaM
Good, good! Let your anger flow through you…
(Got a good Gravatar for that one too)
Yes, Sara, that is a healthy reason to start a relationship.