Sigh. That’s the only thing I regret about LASIK. Sure, I’m cool in case of zombie and/or other apocalypse, but there goes some of my nerd cred and sexiness. 🙁
Walky’s far too manly for your word meaning subtleties! If it’s long, and flowing, and covers a woman’s secret lady-bits, then it’s a dress, and should be taken off, immediately! That’s all a manly man needs to worry about!
Rolling around on the floor (even if it was in public) has a way of causing buttons to become unbuttoned. Which was sort of the point, showing the enthusiasm of the greeting in the episode you refer to.
No – Joyce gives Dorothy the exact same look as Walky in panel 4. (As does Ethan, for no reason I can fathom; is Dorothy in a skirt that surprising?) It’s only in panel five that she gets a dirty look, and it’s a “you’re a dirtbag” look directed at Walky.
Okay, completely unrelated to anything, but it’s been bugging the dickens out of me: what is your avatar from? I recognize it but I can’t remember where.
I’m saying I don’t understand how there’s still pee [and worse??] ALL OVER THE PLACE when all it takes is sitting over the hole. Unless someone’s trying to pee standing up without proper aim. But then, I’ve made an art form of putting paper on the seat.
Might be a little kid, but then it’d be on the floor, too. Maybe there was but I didn’t want to look too hard.
I think the reason people pee on the seats in women’s bathrooms is that people get paranoid about seat germs and hover over the seat instead of actually sitting.
(Ironically, while actually sitting on the seat gives a negligible chance of disease, hovering can screw up your urinary tract.)
I used to like dresses too until puberty ruined it for me by replacing my androgynous good looks and replacing them with a blatantly male appearance. 🙁
I got…four? A normal pair, a junky pair for outdoor work, a pair of running shoes for workouts, and some black formal shoes I wear once or twice a year for some family function I couldn’t get out of.
I’ve got 10-12 pairs. 4 for running, 2 pairs of hiking boots, 1 pair of steel toed boots, 2 pairs of flip-flops, 2 pairs of sandals, and a pair of my girl friends shoes, for some odd reason, I don’t even know how someone could leave their shoes at someone else’s house.
I have 4 pairs. Ratty but still nice styled sandles I use around the house (That used to be used for the next slot until they lost a buckle. Function but look dumb), nice sandals for going out in shorts on a sunny day. Sneakers for general use and a pair of black leather biker boots for fancy occasions. Also dozens of old shoes that I don’t wear anymore.
We have a friend who has only one pair of shoes, and it’s HORRIBLE because they’re the SAME pair of shoes he’s had since school [like, >20 YEARS!] because he has ENORMOUS SASQUATCH FEET and can’t find new ones that fit.
Or so is the excuse.
Anyway, he fucking stinks as is, and the shoes don’t help, and I don’t understand how he has a girlfriend because what the fuck dude, hygiene. [sadly, yes, his roommates have been dumping baking soda and such in the shoes and getting on his case about showering]
I have been purchasing the exact same style of shoes for the last 8 years (or so) because they are easy to cut and install the lift I need for my short leg syndrome. Without the lift a walk to the corner would result in having to spend the next day in bed in agonizing back pain, with the lift I can walk the mile to the grocery store, shop, and then walk the mile home with nothing more that requiring a sit and stretch when I got home.
Let’s see – there’s a pair of dress shoes, a pair of casual shoes, a pair of sandals, a pair of work boots, a pair of hiking boots, a pair of running shoes, a pair of tennis shoes, a pair of basketball shoes, a pair of golf shoes, …
Basically, they bump heads a lot since Walky is more blunt about his opposition to a lot of her viewpoints, and Joyce places Dorothy on a pedestal and goes back and forth on her approval of them as a match. That, and sometimes Walky just likes antagonizing her a little.
Joyce has shown hints of attraction towards Walky, like her comments indicating finding the mouse boys cute when she was younger, and her looking at him in a bit of a different light due to Dorothy’s “sculpted out of caramel” comment about Walky and what she saw in him. Nothing huge, but enough to cause her a little embarrassment when called out on it.
I don’t know, to me there’s nothing sexier than a woman who can confidently pull of an everyday dress (not like wear dresses everyday, but is comfortable enough in her own skin that if she wants to wear a dress, then she’ll fucking wear a dress). Though throwing in combat boots and multicolored hair with several piercings definitely helps too xD
Sure, women can shake hands standing up. But if someone comes to shake your hand, and you’re sitting, traditional etiquette says that you have to stand if and only if you are a man.
I used to make fun of that joke a lot when I first heard it on Kids next door, but then I saw Erza from Fairy tail so I learned to fear and respect it.
I don’t even watch that show but yet it seems that Bronies I aren’t as bad as people say they are, I once saw a bronie that was a army dude jump out a airplane just to prove a point it was awesome.
The need to sequester themselves into their own seperate thing from the main demographic’s not a bad place to start. Their insistence that the show caters to them is another. There’s… a lot worse too, I’m just starting with the beginning.
As a guy who has dabbled in the Brony arts, meh. I get the fact that it’s a children’s show, but if you ACTUALLY WATCH THE SHOW (not just obsess over the off the wall fringe shit), it is actually pretty good at teaching how to be more sociable. My tie with the Brony sect stops there though. I don’t even have a favorite pony (totally a lie, twilight is best pony).
As for the “other stuff”. All I need to do is point to rule34. It’s not the only kid’s show, and it certainly won’t be the last.
I’m not thinking of the existence of rule 34. There’s Peppermint Patty/Marcie bdsm stuff, and Kirk was banging Spock since the existence of Fanzines (I don’t think fanzines PRINTED it, but it’s pretty unlikely the authors didn’t WRITE it); this is a ship that has sailed long before either of us was born (Presumably). One of the things I was thinking of *is* close, though: I’m thinking of the absurd creepiness *about* said rule 34. But it’s by no means all of what I meant.
also fyi I made my Pokemon BnW team include a Rarity (Admittedly, Milotic isn’t very horselike, but it *is* very Rarity) and a Twilight, and trounced scrubs with Team Cute. My plan to emasculate anyone stupid enough to feel emasculated by losing with their cookie cutter Pseudolegendary teams failed because I didn’t know that Nintendo, in their infinite wisdom (not sarcasm here), disabled voice chat (I have a squeaky voice and planned to cheer as part of the show) and nicknames to prevent trolling. I didn’t exactly dislike the show. The problem’s not the show – it’s the bronies.
Bronies are just like another other fandom. Plenty of them are decent people who are just big enough fans of a show that they use the fandom name. But the side that people outside the fandom notice the most are the annoying fans who are more vocal than other Bronies so to someone who encounters these fans this will be what they see Bronies as.
“Emasculating jerkbags who would be emasculated by losing to a girl” is exactly why I tried out Peach in Smash Bros. Melee. I then mained her because she’s actually pretty powerful in Melee! They nerfed her a bit for Brawl, but I still won my first (and only) online match against randoms as the pretty pink prancing princess of pain and punishment. It was satisfying!
Shame about Wii/DS Nintendo WFC being shut fown last month. No more online Smashing until Smash 4 comes out. Hmm.
Fandom Nod != Primary demographic. AT all. The claimst hat they *ARE* the primary demographic are…. well, reminiscent of the worst parts of transformers fandom. It’s just that in transformers, they seem to keep a better hold on it.
It’s pretty hard to out-stupid 4chan when you’re a seven-year-old girl. :/ MLP’s “primary demographic” is never going to be louder than the bronies, just because the “brony” moniker keeps getting stuck on adult male-type beings.
Looney Tunes put all kinds of adult “nods” in the cartoons all the time, but they were still designed to entertain KIDS. A nod is a nod, not a demographic indicator. Hell, Neopets has nods to fucking EVERYTHING, but the target demographic [which started out as “bored college kids”!] gradually went down in age as it got bought out and they realized they could earn more money from making it all-ages.
Though, really, if your demographic isn’t “EVERYBODY ON THE PLANET,” ur doin it rong
Which only makes the problem worse, and makes the creators part of the problem.
Men do not need inclusion, little girls who have no role models and get teased for being too tomboyish or too girly (there is no way to fucking win) need inclusion and safe spaces to gain confidence and grow.
To anyone who’s read It’s Walky!, there’s a scene that exemplifies what the alt-text says. And subverts the hell out of it. Near the end,
Spoiler, if “near the end” doesn’t warn you off enough.
Joe builds them both giant mechs that can only be operated by them, and what they might normally say. Willis uses this to point out both how they could be stereotypical caricatures of gender roles, and at times probably were, but also, their reactions and their attempts at guessing show just how far they’d come in terms of becoming their own persons. Regardless of their gender, they become strong (mature, emotionally open, well rounded) characters.
Oh gosh, Joyce “You know why I worry” brought so many bad memories about my mom, me being gay and an unfortunate reaction coupled with a visit to the psychologist.
Dresses for guys make total sense as testicles hang outside the body cos they operate better when they are a few degrees cooler than the main body and wearing dresses(while going commando) allow your ;nads to do just that.
Good call, at least. Man Purses that I’ve seen (and I’m by no means a connoiseur) don’t seem designed to be so fashionable. Which I guess makes them a smaller investment, but also means that if you’re wearing the dress for fashion, getting a matching accessory will be hell.
That because women buy so many clothes at a time when they go shopping, at one point shop owners had t the thought,” we haft to raise prices we’re selling a lot of stock but not making enough munny off of them.”
Forever, out and standing, or you can throw money at the problem and hope you get it off the internet (and if you’re wrong, well, sucks to be you).
I think I’ll like it better when I’m doing it with the wife, since I’ll at least know I won’t be back as quickly. Her stuff holds up longer, for whatever reason, in the wash. Probably the use of better materials.
Eric Idle did a SNL skit called Drag Racing Today where he and that Coneheads guy were all done up and running sprints at a LI dragstrip (car racing kind of dragstrip). I looked for it on YouTube but could not find it.
There’s a homoromantic asexual trans-chassis female character. Pretty sure there’s a possibility of a dude in a dress. Hell, that happened all the time back in my high school in the Bible Belt.
It is weird and bizarre punishment if your twin sister used to force you to wear dresses for her amusement as kids, unless you liked it then I don’t judge I’m just some random dude on the internet.
Hmm. “You’re (sadly) a boy”, says Joyce? Now combine this clear suggestion that she wishes Walky were a girl (with hair just like his sister) with Walky’s views on what Joyce wants to do with Dorothy, and the threesome desire is just getting kinkier and kinkier.
Clearly, Dumbing of Age can only end in a gigantic orgy.
As a gay guy, I will use my expert knowage on this matter.
Some. Yes. And yes.
For the record I hate pink. I was actully playing FFXIV with a close (gay) male freind today and I was lamenting the shirt I got from a quest was pink and undyeabe. He on the other hand, found it cute on my catboy.
I’m a straight dude, I totally hate sports, and find every color interesting, including pink. (I wouldn’t wear it, but I use loads of pink in my character desings)
I was just wondering why the comic kinda implied Ethan was into pink unicorns just because he was gay… ^^;
I’m straight, but I like lots of girly things. My friend was delighted that I had no qualms with watching MLP. When I worked in a library, I was the “authority” on female centered sci-fi, fantasy and slice-of-life books. (A girl I worked with specialized in the high drama and romance.) Just came from being so interested in girls from such a young age that I never got along with other boys and essentially socialized as a girl. I think gay guys are people, and people like whatever they like. Apparently, I set off every gaydar in the metro, but that’s because people have stupid definitions of manhood and womanhood that above all the other crap that goes into it includes everything needing to belong to one category or the other. People are people, they like a lot of the same things. I say likes and dislikes should go in the gender box marked “humanity”.
Oh my god I’m just realizing that this is a reaction that is going to make Joyce realize this is a thing that Ethan will just never think. And it will remind you that you are dating someone with 0 interest in you. And while I suspect that’s what you basically want now, you don’t want it as a permanent thing.
Joyce, your hopefully temporary despair will not sustain me as well as Ruth and Billie’s hopefully temporary despair, but it will serve.
Joyce is the kind of girl that thinks that real men don’t lust after women. Her male role model is her father. Remember her father?
So Ethan really is the perfect man for her. Alas, Joyce is not the perfect man for Ethan.
(Good for Joyce that her choices are not limited to heterosexuality. Maybe she could hook up with Sal’s motorcycle.)
Joyce hasn’t technically confirmed she wants to be lusted after, but she has made no bones of feeling lust, and I think that given her completely absurd aims in dating ethan, she wants him to at least display INTEREST.
Joyce is well aware that guys lust. (I mean, she knows Joe. She’s been on a date with Joe.) She’s probably been told since before she was old enough to understand what it really meant that guys driven by their lusts were going to try to lead her into sin, and it was up to her to be strong and remain pure in spite of that. She comes from the culture of Chastity Churchmouse and Purity Balls (which, incidentally, I always picture as giant hamster balls that they lock the girls into to preserve their purity).
I’m not sure she understands that it’s normal for her (or girls in general) to feel lust. But she certainly understands that guys lust, and lust for her specifically, and that, especially since the Ryan incident, scares her. That’s the reason she’s dating a gay guy in the first place – because his lust is completely unthreatening to her. (Also completely unfulfilling to her, but it’s taking her longer to discover that.)
Walky’s still acting like someone five if not ten years younger, I see. (And when you’re only 18, those are kind of important years.) Except when those hormones grab him by the…
I don’t feel sorry for her either, though for different reasons than Jen. I don’t think either one is doing anything wrong. Healthy? Not so much. But wrong? Ethan is fully aware of Joyce’s stance on homosexuality. He may not be being honest with himself, but he’s been honest with her, and she’s been honest with him in return. Joyce is fully aware of Ethan’s sexual orientation. She doesn’t understand it, and she has trouble separating thoughts from actions (After all, sexual attraction isn’t a sin. Having sex with someone you shouldn’t is.), but again, she’s been honest with him how she feels about it, and he’s been honest in return. It’s the same argument I made the other day in a discussion about polyamory: relationships aren’t the same for everyone. What’s deviant to someone else doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter if it’s a good idea or a bad idea for the people involved, so long as the people actually in the relationship are being honest and respectful of one another. It’s their choice to make decisions that may not be good for them in the long run. In the end, this relationship could actually work. They may not always be happy with it, but they’ve laid a foundation that lets them learn more about each other and they feel comfortable with each other. So long as it remains their choice to stay with each other, who really has the right to tell them that they’re wrong? Even if they went to a church and placed themselves under the “authority” of a church leader to tell them what is right or wrong, they are not leading a sinful lifestyle and are in the right no matter who might look down on them for it.
Yeah, even if it’s a mistake, sometimes you have to make the mistake to understand why it is one. I don’t regret mine, even if I’m paying for it [in the form of extended unemployment].
This is why, despite Walky and Dorothy generally being cute together, and despite having already seen this story in the last universe, Joyce and Walky still make the best couple.
Joyce and Walky’s relationship is basically exactly like Joyce and Joe’s relationship in Roomies, (most likely because, at the time, that’s probably what Willis thought MANLY-MEN(tm) actually acted like) and Joyce and Joe playing off each other was pretty much the best thing about Roomies. Joyce and Joe in Dumbing of Age don’t play off each other nearly as well, but Joyce and Walky are the perfect foils for each other, and I absolutely love seeing them together.
Does that necessarily mean they should be a couple? I dunno, but it would certainly be fun to watch!
Joyce and Walky make for entertaining interactions but I still say they make better friends than they do a couple, especially this incarnation of them.
Dresses are just plain awesome. It’s too bad that if I wear them, people tend to either make all kinds of ridiculously false assumptions about my gender identity or sexuality, or assume I’m making some sort of political, cultural, or satirical statement. Honestly, if I wear a dress, it’s because dresses are objectively awesome garments to wear.
I once had a coworker who was a very straight, cisgendered male who was really upset that he couldn’t wear a skirt to work. He had gotten married in Fiji and wore the traditional men’s garb there and found it to be the most comfortable thing he had ever worn. However, the mutual fund company we worked for wouldn’t allow him to wear it to work. 😛
Ok, I just realized the emoticon that the site switched my text to does not at all fit the emotion I meant to portray. I wanted a disgusted, blegh, tongue-sticking out, not a snarky, happy one. 🙁
Like a lot of things that are connected to being a woman, they CAN be really awesome for ladies except that people use them to put gender roles on us, too. And then use those roles to justify treating us badly.
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Walky’s puppydog eyes 😀
Also Walky, Dorothy is wearing a skirt and blouse, not a dress. Oh and leggings and boots, and I assume some kind of underwear…
And glasses! Don’t forget glasses!
They increase sexiness by 40%!
Cute nerd glasses- +20 charisma.
60% at least.
Sigh. That’s the only thing I regret about LASIK. Sure, I’m cool in case of zombie and/or other apocalypse, but there goes some of my nerd cred and sexiness. 🙁
You could continue to wear glasses, just with no prescription in the lenses.
Negative nerd cred.
Or go turbo mode with some Google/Smart glasses 😛
Julez, that feels like cheating somehow.
Dorje, brilliant idea!
Dem boots!
Nope! No underwear, thats why she’s giving Walky that look.
And those aren’t leggins either.
Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaareful with what you say, Mr. Tinfoil!
… Down, boy!
Opaque hose are a real thing, so “not leggings” would be a valid statement.
Which kind of reinforces Walky’s adherence to manly stereotypes.
Walky’s far too manly for your word meaning subtleties! If it’s long, and flowing, and covers a woman’s secret lady-bits, then it’s a dress, and should be taken off, immediately! That’s all a manly man needs to worry about!
Most of all – CLEAVAGE!
Dorothy NEVER wears a shirt THAT unbuttoned.
No one noticed that?
It’s wider, but I think not as deep as the one she was wearing on Sunday, which I’m pretty sure she had unbuttoned to below her sternum.
Rolling around on the floor (even if it was in public) has a way of causing buttons to become unbuttoned. Which was sort of the point, showing the enthusiasm of the greeting in the episode you refer to.
That dress seems like Dorothy was waiting just off-camera for Walky to be all sexist
And that’s why he wants them to be removed. They keep trying to set him up.
Meanwhile, Joyce is all, “Be gone, foul temptress!”
(Now, if it was Sal walking by in motorcycle leathers, it would be Joyce doing the drooling!)
Pretty sure Joyce would be drooling here too, but her annoyance with Walky is overriding it.
Joyce would never with her Dorothy to ‘be gone’.
No – Joyce gives Dorothy the exact same look as Walky in panel 4. (As does Ethan, for no reason I can fathom; is Dorothy in a skirt that surprising?) It’s only in panel five that she gets a dirty look, and it’s a “you’re a dirtbag” look directed at Walky.
Okay, completely unrelated to anything, but it’s been bugging the dickens out of me: what is your avatar from? I recognize it but I can’t remember where.
Nevermind, I continued going through the archives again and discovered the answer to my own question. Because I’m a moran.
Oh, you’re not alone Walky…
I burp and spit and fart and pee standing up!
Pretty sure women do 75% of that, even if they don’t like to admit it.
Yes, but ALL AT THE SAME TIME? I think this round goes to Yotomoe.
It’s harder than it looks but let me tell you, it’s also not worth it.
Your body gets confused and things start coming out of the wrong orifices.
And if you can manage a sneeze and a yawn at the same time, your body explodes. It’s true, it happened to my friend’s older brother’s friend.
uh http://www.wikihow.com/Pee-Standing-up-Without-a-Device
[says my post was duplicated but I don’t see where?]
One small step for a woman, one giant leek for womankind.
No, here’s a leek for woman kind: http://www.kalecrusaders.com/2012/03/leek.html
This is the Leek for all womenkind.
http://www.leekspin.com/
Hours and hours, and hours and hours and hours…
There is a land where, instead of girls standing up to pee sometimes, dudes sit down to pee all the time.
That place is
MarsPrisonBizarro WorldCanadaGermany.Makes sense once you realise just how many Europeeing women have been lost when they sat down on a toilet with the seat up. 😛
As a kid I used to pee sitting down all the time cuz I didn’t have to aim.
As somebody who used to clean coffeeshop toilets, I applaud this decision.
As someone who has to use women’s public toilets, it’s not too much of an improvement to sit down… =X
Are you comparing women’s toilets to men’s toilets though?
I’m saying I don’t understand how there’s still pee [and worse??] ALL OVER THE PLACE when all it takes is sitting over the hole. Unless someone’s trying to pee standing up without proper aim. But then, I’ve made an art form of putting paper on the seat.
Might be a little kid, but then it’d be on the floor, too. Maybe there was but I didn’t want to look too hard.
I think this is just a sign that maybe humans weren’t meant to pee in toilets. Trees are where it’s at.
I think the reason people pee on the seats in women’s bathrooms is that people get paranoid about seat germs and hover over the seat instead of actually sitting.
(Ironically, while actually sitting on the seat gives a negligible chance of disease, hovering can screw up your urinary tract.)
As I said, I’ve made an art form of papering the seat! No paper, may as well hold it in.
If you want to argue that it’s pointless, remember–the seat’s COLD!
Well, it is if youf eel like dithering and reading. But this knows no gender.
I pee sitting down all the time because ever since my surgery the doctor told me to avoid lifting heavy objects.
Also he likes… was it popcorn chicken?
Mcnuggets?
FIFTY MCNUGGETS!
FOOD!
FOR TEN DOLLARS!!!
Walky’s profile in the last panel reminds me a lot of Stuart “2D” Pot.
He’s useless, but not for long.
Why do I suddenly assume Dorothy’s seen Secretary?
Also I am a dude and I love dresses. On ladies. I reblog them all the time on tumblr! For artistic reference.
I used to like dresses too until puberty ruined it for me by replacing my androgynous good looks and replacing them with a blatantly male appearance. 🙁
I get you didn’t mind been taken for a girl.
Not privately at least.
Every… gross… sense. XD
Walky really looks and sounds like the great Faz in that third panel
Nah, his mouth is not smiling enough. Also there is a lack of diagrams.
You better get rid of his excess shoes, cos after all real men only have one pair. 😛
I’ve got like…5 pairs but I only wear one of them so…That’s still kinda accurate.
I got…four? A normal pair, a junky pair for outdoor work, a pair of running shoes for workouts, and some black formal shoes I wear once or twice a year for some family function I couldn’t get out of.
I’ve got 10-12 pairs. 4 for running, 2 pairs of hiking boots, 1 pair of steel toed boots, 2 pairs of flip-flops, 2 pairs of sandals, and a pair of my girl friends shoes, for some odd reason, I don’t even know how someone could leave their shoes at someone else’s house.
Tennis shoes, work shoes, strappy sandals for longer walking, flippy sandals for shorter walking. YOU HAVE FAILED.
It’s still manly if each pair is for completely different purposes.
Or if you have backup pairs because you use a set of shoes until they literally become unfit to wear, even to go buying new shoes.
I have 4 pairs. Ratty but still nice styled sandles I use around the house (That used to be used for the next slot until they lost a buckle. Function but look dumb), nice sandals for going out in shorts on a sunny day. Sneakers for general use and a pair of black leather biker boots for fancy occasions. Also dozens of old shoes that I don’t wear anymore.
But then again I’m gay.
Ack. I forgot the steel toed boots for yard work. (Needed em once for a job, they evovled into multipurpose boots after losing said job)
So five pairs.
We have a friend who has only one pair of shoes, and it’s HORRIBLE because they’re the SAME pair of shoes he’s had since school [like, >20 YEARS!] because he has ENORMOUS SASQUATCH FEET and can’t find new ones that fit.
Or so is the excuse.
Anyway, he fucking stinks as is, and the shoes don’t help, and I don’t understand how he has a girlfriend because what the fuck dude, hygiene. [sadly, yes, his roommates have been dumping baking soda and such in the shoes and getting on his case about showering]
I have been purchasing the exact same style of shoes for the last 8 years (or so) because they are easy to cut and install the lift I need for my short leg syndrome. Without the lift a walk to the corner would result in having to spend the next day in bed in agonizing back pain, with the lift I can walk the mile to the grocery store, shop, and then walk the mile home with nothing more that requiring a sit and stretch when I got home.
Real men have more than one pair of shoes.
Let’s see – there’s a pair of dress shoes, a pair of casual shoes, a pair of sandals, a pair of work boots, a pair of hiking boots, a pair of running shoes, a pair of tennis shoes, a pair of basketball shoes, a pair of golf shoes, …
Real men aren’t bound by arbitrary rules of what constitutes a “real man” [let’s be honest].
So I don’t get whats the deal with Walky and Joyce are they just straight up bitter rivals or something.
Walky, you are my friend but also my greatest rival!
Ahem.
That page has a webcomics section but DoA isn’t on it! Somebody should fix this.
It’s a Wiki–GO FOR IT
I dunno, I don’t recall Walky ever showing any interest in Joyce at all. I think he’s just belligerent to her, full stop.
Haven’t these two been hating on each other since they first met?
Basically, they bump heads a lot since Walky is more blunt about his opposition to a lot of her viewpoints, and Joyce places Dorothy on a pedestal and goes back and forth on her approval of them as a match. That, and sometimes Walky just likes antagonizing her a little.
Joyce has shown hints of attraction towards Walky, like her comments indicating finding the mouse boys cute when she was younger, and her looking at him in a bit of a different light due to Dorothy’s “sculpted out of caramel” comment about Walky and what she saw in him. Nothing huge, but enough to cause her a little embarrassment when called out on it.
They are still friends in their own way, though.
Don’t forget that they both vie for Dorothy’s free time!
I actually wish there were nice looking dresses for men. I would totally wear them. Okay that’s a lie. I would totally want to wear them.
Get a kilt and sew it to an awesome shirt. BAM instant guy dress.
Try Scotland.
I actually really, really, want a kilt. A proper Robertson kilt but they are sooooo expensive.
Just do what I do and wear a shirt 5 sizes too big.
So very 80s.
http://www.simplemalaysian.com/dress/chinese/cheongsam.html
I believe the Romans called them togas.
Togas suck, chitons are where it’s at.
They are cool-looking but why would you wear one??
http://reefguide.org/chiton.html
Halloween costume. Also toga’s if I’m not mistaken are actually much more annoying to wear.
Togas: Hot in the summer, cold in the winter, but they take NO EFFORT to make!
[no really, that’s how they were first made]
I don’t know, to me there’s nothing sexier than a woman who can confidently pull of an everyday dress (not like wear dresses everyday, but is comfortable enough in her own skin that if she wants to wear a dress, then she’ll fucking wear a dress). Though throwing in combat boots and multicolored hair with several piercings definitely helps too xD
Agreed!
Oh Joyce, let it go.
*fades quietly into the background before they could utter a Frozen reference*
What does a man do standing up, a woman sitting down, and a dog on three legs?
“Shake hands” according to google. Can women not shake hands standing up? I have never heard this before.
I was gonna say, “Stand, sit, and stand on three legs, respectively” =B
Sure, women can shake hands standing up. But if someone comes to shake your hand, and you’re sitting, traditional etiquette says that you have to stand if and only if you are a man.
Play video games?
Women can pee standing up, you know….it’s called squatting….and absolutely necessary in the more disgusting public bathrooms
And if all women sat properly on the toilet the way it was designed for, the bathrooms wouldn’t be disgusting.
I have this open in another tab, oddly enough.
http://heinousactszx.deviantart.com/art/Pikachu-goes-for-a-walk-350251565
Seems to fit.
That is…wow that’s scary.
Well I sure wasn’t expecting THAT.
It’s like Pikachu took some tips from Machoke.
I bet that pikachu is in the closet. 😛
“YEA BRO I TOTALLY LIFT LIKE FIFTY GEODUDES ABOVE MY HEAD! NOT That I like…geo…dudes…”
I would SOOOOO hit the like button for that comment. 😀
Well, there’s another one for my Favorites. XD It rivals Super Princess Peach. XD http://misteroo.deviantart.com/art/Super-Princess-Peach-40193933
I know how she feels, I get that way too when I’m really constipated.
I love how similar and dissimilar Joyce and Walky are.
I don’t entirely get what you mean please explain.
Is it weird that I prefer women in jeans most of the time the dresses, I just like the casual look better.
I prefer women in Battle Ready Armor.
I prefer women in Mech attire
I used to make fun of that joke a lot when I first heard it on Kids next door, but then I saw Erza from Fairy tail so I learned to fear and respect it.
The KND kind?
I have a thing for ladies in business suits.
Awwww at panel four.
Would you look at that, now the poll is about dresses…
Voted no. Not sure if it’s because I’d like them to be removed, or because I like gender-nonconforming ladies. Maybe a bit of both.
It’s about if you like dresses.
Dresses are fine all day long, but just not at night.
Voted no, too. When I stopped to think about it, I realized I prefer ladies that are wearing clothes that aren’t dresses.
Such as power suits.
Both the “clothes you wear to a formal interview” kind and the “mechanical superhero armor” kind.
umm, you can wear a dress and be a gender-nonconforming lady. or dude. or person. i wear dresses but still consider myself pretty genderless!
You should consider seeing a reproductive endocrinologist for some blood work.
Oh, Joyce, some day you’re going to learn even macho guys like the girly things.
*Bronies pop up*
I said MACHO. MACHO. Not nacho!
*Bronies “aw” and walk off depressed*
Yeah–for instance, girls.
As a brony, I cannot deny that some of us are nacho guys.
As a human, I cannot deny that the vast majority of us are nacho guys (including us guys who are not guys).
Walky is more of a Nachito guy.
I don’t even watch that show but yet it seems that Bronies I aren’t as bad as people say they are, I once saw a bronie that was a army dude jump out a airplane just to prove a point it was awesome.
The need to sequester themselves into their own seperate thing from the main demographic’s not a bad place to start. Their insistence that the show caters to them is another. There’s… a lot worse too, I’m just starting with the beginning.
As a guy who has dabbled in the Brony arts, meh. I get the fact that it’s a children’s show, but if you ACTUALLY WATCH THE SHOW (not just obsess over the off the wall fringe shit), it is actually pretty good at teaching how to be more sociable. My tie with the Brony sect stops there though. I don’t even have a favorite pony (totally a lie, twilight is best pony).
As for the “other stuff”. All I need to do is point to rule34. It’s not the only kid’s show, and it certainly won’t be the last.
I’m not thinking of the existence of rule 34. There’s Peppermint Patty/Marcie bdsm stuff, and Kirk was banging Spock since the existence of Fanzines (I don’t think fanzines PRINTED it, but it’s pretty unlikely the authors didn’t WRITE it); this is a ship that has sailed long before either of us was born (Presumably). One of the things I was thinking of *is* close, though: I’m thinking of the absurd creepiness *about* said rule 34. But it’s by no means all of what I meant.
also fyi I made my Pokemon BnW team include a Rarity (Admittedly, Milotic isn’t very horselike, but it *is* very Rarity) and a Twilight, and trounced scrubs with Team Cute. My plan to emasculate anyone stupid enough to feel emasculated by losing with their cookie cutter Pseudolegendary teams failed because I didn’t know that Nintendo, in their infinite wisdom (not sarcasm here), disabled voice chat (I have a squeaky voice and planned to cheer as part of the show) and nicknames to prevent trolling. I didn’t exactly dislike the show. The problem’s not the show – it’s the bronies.
Bronies are just like another other fandom. Plenty of them are decent people who are just big enough fans of a show that they use the fandom name. But the side that people outside the fandom notice the most are the annoying fans who are more vocal than other Bronies so to someone who encounters these fans this will be what they see Bronies as.
“Emasculating jerkbags who would be emasculated by losing to a girl” is exactly why I tried out Peach in Smash Bros. Melee. I then mained her because she’s actually pretty powerful in Melee! They nerfed her a bit for Brawl, but I still won my first (and only) online match against randoms as the pretty pink prancing princess of pain and punishment. It was satisfying!
Shame about Wii/DS Nintendo WFC being shut fown last month. No more online Smashing until Smash 4 comes out. Hmm.
To be fair, the creators of the show have andmited they have gone out of their way to include Brony fandom nods.
Fandom Nod != Primary demographic. AT all. The claimst hat they *ARE* the primary demographic are…. well, reminiscent of the worst parts of transformers fandom. It’s just that in transformers, they seem to keep a better hold on it.
It’s pretty hard to out-stupid 4chan when you’re a seven-year-old girl. :/ MLP’s “primary demographic” is never going to be louder than the bronies, just because the “brony” moniker keeps getting stuck on adult male-type beings.
Yes, but it’s not the 7 year old boys who keep a hold on the idiot transformers fans either, I would think.
Looney Tunes put all kinds of adult “nods” in the cartoons all the time, but they were still designed to entertain KIDS. A nod is a nod, not a demographic indicator. Hell, Neopets has nods to fucking EVERYTHING, but the target demographic [which started out as “bored college kids”!] gradually went down in age as it got bought out and they realized they could earn more money from making it all-ages.
Though, really, if your demographic isn’t “EVERYBODY ON THE PLANET,” ur doin it rong
er, toy-based sales demographic, that is
p sure DoA can get away with “Teen+” just fine
Which only makes the problem worse, and makes the creators part of the problem.
Men do not need inclusion, little girls who have no role models and get teased for being too tomboyish or too girly (there is no way to fucking win) need inclusion and safe spaces to gain confidence and grow.
Not everything has to include you, dudes.
Dorothy totally did that on purpose.
She has pretty convenient comedic timing.
To anyone who’s read It’s Walky!, there’s a scene that exemplifies what the alt-text says. And subverts the hell out of it. Near the end,
Spoiler, if “near the end” doesn’t warn you off enough.
Joe builds them both giant mechs that can only be operated by them, and what they might normally say. Willis uses this to point out both how they could be stereotypical caricatures of gender roles, and at times probably were, but also, their reactions and their attempts at guessing show just how far they’d come in terms of becoming their own persons. Regardless of their gender, they become strong (mature, emotionally open, well rounded) characters.
Oh gosh, Joyce “You know why I worry” brought so many bad memories about my mom, me being gay and an unfortunate reaction coupled with a visit to the psychologist.
🙁
Hugs if desired.
Thanks n.n
I was lucky I only had to go for like 3 sessions, wish other people were as lucky.
Dresses for guys make total sense as testicles hang outside the body cos they operate better when they are a few degrees cooler than the main body and wearing dresses(while going commando) allow your ;nads to do just that.
I read somewhere that a couple was having trouble conceiving, and the guy was asked if he wore briefs. Yes. “Well, change to boxers.”
They conceived immediately.
So.
Do I like dresses?
Gurl, if I lost some weight I’d give serious thought to becoming a drag queen. Women have all the best clothes.
But women’s clothes are expensive and they tend to lack pockets.
I’d be doing it for the fashion, not as practical wear. I’d have boy clothes when I need pockets.
There are man – purses, otherwise know as satchels, for a reason.
If I’m willing to wear a dress I’m willing to carry genuine purses. MY sister has like fifty of them.
Good call, at least. Man Purses that I’ve seen (and I’m by no means a connoiseur) don’t seem designed to be so fashionable. Which I guess makes them a smaller investment, but also means that if you’re wearing the dress for fashion, getting a matching accessory will be hell.
That because women buy so many clothes at a time when they go shopping, at one point shop owners had t the thought,” we haft to raise prices we’re selling a lot of stock but not making enough munny off of them.”
Bullshit.
They were selling more of them, and this was causing them to make less money?
When you sell more of something, you can reduce the prices.
The pockets are really the selling point for boy clothes, yeah. Hell, if it weren’t for pockets, I’d probably walk around naked half the time!
Yeah, but try finding the right size =p it takes forEVAR
Forever, out and standing, or you can throw money at the problem and hope you get it off the internet (and if you’re wrong, well, sucks to be you).
I think I’ll like it better when I’m doing it with the wife, since I’ll at least know I won’t be back as quickly. Her stuff holds up longer, for whatever reason, in the wash. Probably the use of better materials.
Why are there no Drag KINGS?
Ladies who wear old timey fake moustaches and tophats.
You can be the first yotomoe
I’m not a lady.
There are, you just have to look for them.
you know there’s this thing called Google
Wow, I was just joking like a sterotypical MRA level asshat. I didn’t know it was for real! And it’s exactly what I imagined too!
So like lady gaga when she dressed up like Michael Jackson that one time at the MTV music awards.
TECHNICALLY, Lady Gaga is what’s called a “bio queen.”
I read past that and didn’t see the “as Michael Jackson” part.
Yes, like that.
to be clear, I try to put out-of-character things I don’t mean in quotes
You missed it this week here in Dallas. :((
I’ve actually seen a few perform.
They act like your stereotypical dudebro to counteract the fabulousness of queens.
There are, I have friends who’ve won Drag King contests.
I sometimes wish I was a man just so I could be a drag queen.
Bio queen!
I just learned a new word!
(oops wrong email address. It was me all along.)
That reminds me the plot of a movie i saw once.
Eric Idle did a SNL skit called Drag Racing Today where he and that Coneheads guy were all done up and running sprints at a LI dragstrip (car racing kind of dragstrip). I looked for it on YouTube but could not find it.
Willis, is there a possibility of a guy at some point wearing a skirt or a dress as part of their outfit?
There’s a homoromantic asexual trans-chassis female character. Pretty sure there’s a possibility of a dude in a dress. Hell, that happened all the time back in my high school in the Bible Belt.
Same here, a guy just graduated from my high school with a million dollar fashion line for drag queens.
The reason Walky hates Dresses so much is because as a kid him and Sal did the “twin switcharoo” every now and again and he had some bad experiences.
It is weird and bizarre punishment if your twin sister used to force you to wear dresses for her amusement as kids, unless you liked it then I don’t judge I’m just some random dude on the internet.
http://i.imgur.com/UHG27sq.png
DID YOU JUST SAY BIZARRE?
Now do VelociDio. 😀 😀 😀
Hmm. “You’re (sadly) a boy”, says Joyce? Now combine this clear suggestion that she wishes Walky were a girl (with hair just like his sister) with Walky’s views on what Joyce wants to do with Dorothy, and the threesome desire is just getting kinkier and kinkier.
Clearly, Dumbing of Age can only end in a gigantic orgy.
I think it’s just that she wishes he were Sal
Hey Willis if you haven’t seen it check this out
http://www.cnet.com/news/angry-birds-transformers-takes-wing-as-new-app-and-toys/
PS: I’m showing you this solely to see if it pisses you off.
I learned about that when I was at Toy Fair in February.
One of us has forgotten Hughes Assat’s latest appearance in Shortpacked I guess?
I am totally a fan of dresses. I like when they are worn, and I like even more when they are taken off.
Do gay guys like girly things? Can straight guys like em too? Can gay people like sports and shit?
Some gay guys like girly things. Some gay guys don’t. Both sometimes like sports.
No, yes, and yes, respectively.
As a gay guy, I will use my expert knowage on this matter.
Some. Yes. And yes.
For the record I hate pink. I was actully playing FFXIV with a close (gay) male freind today and I was lamenting the shirt I got from a quest was pink and undyeabe. He on the other hand, found it cute on my catboy.
I’m a straight dude, I totally hate sports, and find every color interesting, including pink. (I wouldn’t wear it, but I use loads of pink in my character desings)
I was just wondering why the comic kinda implied Ethan was into pink unicorns just because he was gay… ^^;
Pink was originally a very manly colour, remember–the colour of your enemies’ blood staining your white clothes.
That’s not really how bloodstains work.
Pink is an impossible colour that only exists in our minds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9dqJRyk0YM
No, that’s magenta. Magenta is different from light red.
Because the only way to have unicorns is pink fluffy unicorns farting rainbows.
I’m straight, but I like lots of girly things. My friend was delighted that I had no qualms with watching MLP. When I worked in a library, I was the “authority” on female centered sci-fi, fantasy and slice-of-life books. (A girl I worked with specialized in the high drama and romance.) Just came from being so interested in girls from such a young age that I never got along with other boys and essentially socialized as a girl. I think gay guys are people, and people like whatever they like. Apparently, I set off every gaydar in the metro, but that’s because people have stupid definitions of manhood and womanhood that above all the other crap that goes into it includes everything needing to belong to one category or the other. People are people, they like a lot of the same things. I say likes and dislikes should go in the gender box marked “humanity”.
Makes sense to me. You do you, man.
Oh my god I’m just realizing that this is a reaction that is going to make Joyce realize this is a thing that Ethan will just never think. And it will remind you that you are dating someone with 0 interest in you. And while I suspect that’s what you basically want now, you don’t want it as a permanent thing.
Joyce, your hopefully temporary despair will not sustain me as well as Ruth and Billie’s hopefully temporary despair, but it will serve.
Joyce is the kind of girl that thinks that real men don’t lust after women. Her male role model is her father. Remember her father?
So Ethan really is the perfect man for her. Alas, Joyce is not the perfect man for Ethan.
(Good for Joyce that her choices are not limited to heterosexuality. Maybe she could hook up with Sal’s motorcycle.)
Joyce hasn’t technically confirmed she wants to be lusted after, but she has made no bones of feeling lust, and I think that given her completely absurd aims in dating ethan, she wants him to at least display INTEREST.
Joyce is well aware that guys lust. (I mean, she knows Joe. She’s been on a date with Joe.) She’s probably been told since before she was old enough to understand what it really meant that guys driven by their lusts were going to try to lead her into sin, and it was up to her to be strong and remain pure in spite of that. She comes from the culture of Chastity Churchmouse and Purity Balls (which, incidentally, I always picture as giant hamster balls that they lock the girls into to preserve their purity).
I’m not sure she understands that it’s normal for her (or girls in general) to feel lust. But she certainly understands that guys lust, and lust for her specifically, and that, especially since the Ryan incident, scares her. That’s the reason she’s dating a gay guy in the first place – because his lust is completely unthreatening to her. (Also completely unfulfilling to her, but it’s taking her longer to discover that.)
Purity Balls in the context of Chastity Churchmouse sounds like it should be a clamp over some dude’s testicles.
Nobody else has said it so:
Joyce’s face in the last panel. 😀
Walky’s still acting like someone five if not ten years younger, I see. (And when you’re only 18, those are kind of important years.) Except when those hormones grab him by the…
Dirk Lonestyle rides again.
Walky really wants to wear that, doesn’t he.
Its okay, I do to.
Dear David Willis,
Thanks so much for writing Dumbing of Age.
Nooooo Joyce you’re doing so well
Walky 2016.
Yay! It’s Dorothy’s outfit that I love!
Seriously, I want to wear that.
I feel so sorry for Joyce
I don’t. She’s being ridiculous by dating a man she knows is gay. And Ethan is being a jerk for going along with it.
I don’t feel sorry for her either, though for different reasons than Jen. I don’t think either one is doing anything wrong. Healthy? Not so much. But wrong? Ethan is fully aware of Joyce’s stance on homosexuality. He may not be being honest with himself, but he’s been honest with her, and she’s been honest with him in return. Joyce is fully aware of Ethan’s sexual orientation. She doesn’t understand it, and she has trouble separating thoughts from actions (After all, sexual attraction isn’t a sin. Having sex with someone you shouldn’t is.), but again, she’s been honest with him how she feels about it, and he’s been honest in return. It’s the same argument I made the other day in a discussion about polyamory: relationships aren’t the same for everyone. What’s deviant to someone else doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter if it’s a good idea or a bad idea for the people involved, so long as the people actually in the relationship are being honest and respectful of one another. It’s their choice to make decisions that may not be good for them in the long run. In the end, this relationship could actually work. They may not always be happy with it, but they’ve laid a foundation that lets them learn more about each other and they feel comfortable with each other. So long as it remains their choice to stay with each other, who really has the right to tell them that they’re wrong? Even if they went to a church and placed themselves under the “authority” of a church leader to tell them what is right or wrong, they are not leading a sinful lifestyle and are in the right no matter who might look down on them for it.
THIS. You got it right. I need add nothing more.
Yeah, even if it’s a mistake, sometimes you have to make the mistake to understand why it is one. I don’t regret mine, even if I’m paying for it [in the form of extended unemployment].
Joyce needs to think about kissing dangly parts that were up the butt of a man named Bubba. Maybe they even still smell like it!
“You know why I worry” is so perfectly apt I would like to give Willis a trophy for it.
Hey, Joyce, if you want Ethan to be all “manly” and stuff, make him go to the gym!
This is why, despite Walky and Dorothy generally being cute together, and despite having already seen this story in the last universe, Joyce and Walky still make the best couple.
Joyce and Walky’s relationship is basically exactly like Joyce and Joe’s relationship in Roomies, (most likely because, at the time, that’s probably what Willis thought MANLY-MEN(tm) actually acted like) and Joyce and Joe playing off each other was pretty much the best thing about Roomies. Joyce and Joe in Dumbing of Age don’t play off each other nearly as well, but Joyce and Walky are the perfect foils for each other, and I absolutely love seeing them together.
Does that necessarily mean they should be a couple? I dunno, but it would certainly be fun to watch!
Joyce and Walky make for entertaining interactions but I still say they make better friends than they do a couple, especially this incarnation of them.
For fun, re-do the poll immediately after a comic of Sierra in shorts. It’ll be an interesting social experiment in biasing effects!
Sierra-in-a-dress would still look dashing 🙂
Sierra undressing would be flashing!
Sierra-as-a-serial-killer would be slashing!
Sierra, as Gallagher’s assistant, would be SMASHING!
Oh Walky *Old Tv show laughing track plays in background*
Remove all the dresses!
I love Joyce’s “goshdarnit Walky, what the fudge is wrong with you?” face in the last panel.
Dresses?
Yesses.
Dresses are just plain awesome. It’s too bad that if I wear them, people tend to either make all kinds of ridiculously false assumptions about my gender identity or sexuality, or assume I’m making some sort of political, cultural, or satirical statement. Honestly, if I wear a dress, it’s because dresses are objectively awesome garments to wear.
I once had a coworker who was a very straight, cisgendered male who was really upset that he couldn’t wear a skirt to work. He had gotten married in Fiji and wore the traditional men’s garb there and found it to be the most comfortable thing he had ever worn. However, the mutual fund company we worked for wouldn’t allow him to wear it to work. 😛
Ok, I just realized the emoticon that the site switched my text to does not at all fit the emotion I meant to portray. I wanted a disgusted, blegh, tongue-sticking out, not a snarky, happy one. 🙁
Like a lot of things that are connected to being a woman, they CAN be really awesome for ladies except that people use them to put gender roles on us, too. And then use those roles to justify treating us badly.
Joyce only reserves that death-glare for Walky.
A part of me wishes those two knew they were married in another universe.
There’s still time for Joyce to lose her memory and Walky to, uh, just be different?