They’re all fucking about and refusing to simply express a thought, and then BAM. Saved y’all at least half an hour, which means we really can go to Taco Bell after all, get in the fucking car.
honestly even more generally just- being in your early twenties (if we round up in Becky’s case) you end up being faced with the ephemerality of personal identity, and have to contend with the fact that as the person you used to be becomes foreign to you, the you that will be becomes a stranger to you as well, and the things you used to cling to as hallmarks of your personal identity start to feel a little less solid. I remember being there and it’s really scary!
Several days late, but to circle back to Incelerator I just read about the science saying the entireity of US colleges is experiencing “male flight”, where the amount of women in college goes over 60% which causes a spiral of more and more men ditching and women getting higher education. Probably paying less and less for it as “learning stuff” becomes seen as women’s work.
Fascinating to see the reality where Paul and his internet buddies hate women so much it ends up helping all women, even if it is at the expense of all men.
(This was a paper published in October, long after the Incelerator comics was drawn, but it seems it would have been relevant.)
Consider how a lot of online “manos there” grifter are also open and proud about their own ignorance and anti intellectualism and encourage their followers to do the same that checks out.
Well yeah, you can’t just say you don’t like being around women, even though that’s exactly the case, one more woman in the classroom is a bigger deterrent than a $1000 tuition hike, you have to say getting an education is unmanly and for the dumbs
Okay willis, fess up. Are you intentionally colour coding the characters’ outfits with pride flags? Cos I love it, but you’re better at doing it more subtly than me so I’m a also envious
Ooo, having created the dance gear in all the colours of the rainbow for our group, and having run out of colours, adding at both ends and interpolating, I’m moving on to trans pride flag colours because it turns out nearly half of us are somewhere on a trans journey, and only 3 of us are apparently not at all queer!
Honestly, if Dina does turn out to be some form of sapphic-but-not-lesbian, I hope Becky takes it as well as Joyce took learning she has a sister…….. but I’ve also seen way too much biphobia in the sapphic community (and Becky’s aversion to sexuality/gender being fluid is definitely leading up to *something*)
Speaking of–as mentioned above, the pride flag color coding is so fun… but I also mistook the top of Dina’s jeans in the first panel for scarf tassels and so I accidentally misinterpreted her shirt as a genderfluid-colored scarf. And thought “oh wow, this could go SO much worse than just Becky reacting badly if Dina turned out to be bi/pan/etc.” (As some level of genderfluid on top of being an autistic ace, that’d be SO cool to see… but I also know 1) Becky would take it poorly, and 2) after the weird amount of transphobia in the comments lately even about *binary* trans people, I know the comments would be a bloody minefield)
Ohhh, my bad. I remembered her being ace-spec for sure but it’s been SO long since they got together that I forgot the gender specifics of Dina’s romantic attraction. Thanks for the reminder! (And ofc she knows people can be bi, it’s more the potential fluidity of sexuality that throws her.)
I don’t think Becky minds the idea of Dina being sapphic-but-not-lesbian, her reaction when Joyce asked if Dina was a lesbian was “apparently liking both is a thing”. https://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/04-walking-with-dina/item/ I think what Becky’s terrified of is the idea of Dina being sapphic NOW, but let’s say in a year or so, as Dina grows, she “becomes” no longer sapphic. Whether that means hetero or aromantic or whatever else in-between, I think Becky’s terrified of Dina no longer loving her.
I also think it could be that second part you said, that if Dina were to not identify as a woman, it could lead to a crisis for Becky since she is an out and proud lesbian. After all, if her girlfriend is no longer her girlfriend, does that mean she’s no longer a lesbian? Then who is Becky after all?!
And yeah, sadly it IS a valid fear sometimes. Some people, when they have to choose between their rigid ideas of their own identity and a partner’s gender changing (either literally or just them coming to terms with something about themself), they’ll choose their ideas over their partner. (Can confirm, sadly.) It’s admittedly something I haven’t seen portrayed in fiction–at least, not in a queer-*affirming* light like this comic has. It’d be interesting.
Is this a thing in a like… “I can’t be with you because you being the other gender would invalidate my words” way rather than a “unfortunately I am not attracted to the gender presentation and/or body shapes you’re doing now” way? I feel like I’ve encountered a lot of discussion about the latter and this is my first time encountering information about the former. What does that tend to look like?
You’re welcome! And agreed. I’m actually curious where the story’s going to go with Becky, because whatever’s gonna happen, there’s been build up to it like a volcano about to burst.
Y’know, considering Becky loves wearing lesbian flag colors. You might be onto something here.
Autistic Aspec Genderfluid (Kinda) Sapphic is a mouthful but it describes me and almost half of my friends. It’s a thing. Also I admittedly like the Green/White/Purple flag way more than the enby with the yellow TwT It’s a nice palette, ok!
You mean the genderqueer flag? Genderfluid flag is different. (I personally prefer the nonbinary flag to the genderqueer flag, so hey, different strokes!)
It’s hilarious sometimes how queer people can all flock together, even before any of us are out to ourselves yet sometimes. I’ve known my friend group for over half my life now (so, over a decade and a half) and nobody was out at the time. But now, there’s very few cishets among us (and tbh, among those, there’s one or two who might not be; hard to tell where the joke-flirting stops and the real-flirting stops with people so comfy with each other).
And the good thing about an identity where there are overlapping flags is, we can pick the one we like best! I like the genderfluid flag a lot myself (even if I’m still learning which order the colors go in).
Yeah didn’t seek it out but the number of non-queer people in my friend group slowly dwindles… and not because anyone’s leaving. Even amongst the unqualified straights a majority are polyamorous. It’s kinda funny. I know more than 90% of folks aren’t queer even in my very queer city, but you’d never know from my experiences.
I thought that it had been more or less made clear with Dina that she is demi-sexual and that’s basically the gist of it.
I don’t know if, in an other time-line, she could have eventually developed feeling for a guy the way she did for Becky, which would mean she could be considered bi, or if she could only ever develop that kind of feeling for a woman, (or even just Becky), which would mean she could be considered lesbian (or Becky-sexual), but none of that seems to me to be “sapphic-but-not-lesbian”.
Well, to be honest, I don’t really know what the term “sapphic-but-not-lesbian” is meant to convey, but that might be due to how, as far I understand it, a woman having either even just romantic or even just sexual (as well as both, obviously) feeling for a woman and no such feeling for a man, is a lesbian.
My point is, so far, from what I have seen of Dina, I see no reason to consider Dina as “not-lesbian”.
Well shit, I was kinda hoping today’s comic would involve Joe reacting to everything Joyce was talking about the last couple days. That was a conversation that I really wanted to see both sides of.
Oh well, Leslie being Becky’s mom is always a win. Yay Leslie!
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“by extension, she is my mother-in-law figure”
“DINA!” 😫
re: alt-text: who’s your Garth Marenghi figure?
This: https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1587422087/garth-marenghis-darkplace-3-45-6-dr-rick?variation0=3946341308
Becky’s not a big fan of subtext. That’s why her favorite author is Garth Marenghi.
Aaaand of course I should have checked the alt-text before posting my silly reference, because naturally Willis’ mind went the same place.
I know webcomics who use alt-text, and they’re all cowards
Dina likes subtext, because it’s usually more convenient than Becky calling her.
Oooh! x-D
When you’re Dina, every text you receive is subtext. She’s the top of the food chain.
Which is weird since she is such a sub *ba dum tsss*
I assumed she’d be more into Parth Ferengi.
Sockingly, Becky is giving Dina orders. What has happened?! /hj
Half-joking. That’s means half-joking. Not hand job, like I first came up with and was subsequently confused by. Okay.
Insecurities for everyone!
It’s just like real life!
Counter argument – continue to make subtext text, Dina!
I second this!
too late!
Subtext is immoral.
And unprofitable! Which as we all know is a much greater flaw in our capitalist society.
Love to be in a conversation about something that people are dancing around and being like, “Okay, I’m just going to say the thing.”
They’re all fucking about and refusing to simply express a thought, and then BAM. Saved y’all at least half an hour, which means we really can go to Taco Bell after all, get in the fucking car.
Right? Supreme Beef Burrito or bust! :9
Becky and Jennifer both have ‘sexuality fluidity scares’ storylines, but one is way less annoying.
becky’s so cute
all three of them really
Love the Garth Merengi’s Darkplace in the alt text
Poor baby queer building her whole personality based on their sexuality. I can empathise with that
honestly even more generally just- being in your early twenties (if we round up in Becky’s case) you end up being faced with the ephemerality of personal identity, and have to contend with the fact that as the person you used to be becomes foreign to you, the you that will be becomes a stranger to you as well, and the things you used to cling to as hallmarks of your personal identity start to feel a little less solid. I remember being there and it’s really scary!
Reminder that noted ‘I-I’m not bi’ Jennifer is in this class.
Should be a fun one.
now it’s domtext
Because we need things spelled out to us dumb naughty readers
Anyone who’s read the Slipshine can confidently say, no it isn’t.
Aaaand you stole my comment.
Several days late, but to circle back to Incelerator I just read about the science saying the entireity of US colleges is experiencing “male flight”, where the amount of women in college goes over 60% which causes a spiral of more and more men ditching and women getting higher education. Probably paying less and less for it as “learning stuff” becomes seen as women’s work.
Fascinating to see the reality where Paul and his internet buddies hate women so much it ends up helping all women, even if it is at the expense of all men.
(This was a paper published in October, long after the Incelerator comics was drawn, but it seems it would have been relevant.)
Consider how a lot of online “manos there” grifter are also open and proud about their own ignorance and anti intellectualism and encourage their followers to do the same that checks out.
*Manosphere
Oh. And here I thought it was an MST3K reference.
Well yeah, you can’t just say you don’t like being around women, even though that’s exactly the case, one more woman in the classroom is a bigger deterrent than a $1000 tuition hike, you have to say getting an education is unmanly and for the dumbs
Interesting but I would expect a “pink tax” as women’s stuff is all more expensive than “regular stuff”.
Are there really guys refusing to go to college because there are “too many women” there? That’s profoundly fucking stupid if so.
They sure aren’t saying that, but it’s the most reliable metric to explain why fewer guys go to college.
I think the unspoken part there may be “too many smart, career-focused, non-servile* women” there. Not the demographic they’re looking for.
*except some of them as part of a carefully-negotiated D/s relationship
Not making social subtext into text is for cowards. Live your best life, Dina!
Okay willis, fess up. Are you intentionally colour coding the characters’ outfits with pride flags? Cos I love it, but you’re better at doing it more subtly than me so I’m a also envious
Ooo, having created the dance gear in all the colours of the rainbow for our group, and having run out of colours, adding at both ends and interpolating, I’m moving on to trans pride flag colours because it turns out nearly half of us are somewhere on a trans journey, and only 3 of us are apparently not at all queer!
I love Leslie. She’s a ray of mildly neurotic sunshine. I’m always glad to see her. No further notes.
Honestly, if Dina does turn out to be some form of sapphic-but-not-lesbian, I hope Becky takes it as well as Joyce took learning she has a sister…….. but I’ve also seen way too much biphobia in the sapphic community (and Becky’s aversion to sexuality/gender being fluid is definitely leading up to *something*)
Speaking of–as mentioned above, the pride flag color coding is so fun… but I also mistook the top of Dina’s jeans in the first panel for scarf tassels and so I accidentally misinterpreted her shirt as a genderfluid-colored scarf. And thought “oh wow, this could go SO much worse than just Becky reacting badly if Dina turned out to be bi/pan/etc.” (As some level of genderfluid on top of being an autistic ace, that’d be SO cool to see… but I also know 1) Becky would take it poorly, and 2) after the weird amount of transphobia in the comments lately even about *binary* trans people, I know the comments would be a bloody minefield)
Dina *is* sapphic-but-not-lesbian, and Becky knows and is cool with it. Whatever Becky’s issues are, it’s not that she doesn’t think people can be bi.
It’s more about _Dina_ possibly not being cis, I reckon
I think it’s that she’s mortally afraid of not being able to call herself a Lesbian anymore
like it works like the Vegan Police from Scott Pilgrim or something XD
Ohhh, my bad. I remembered her being ace-spec for sure but it’s been SO long since they got together that I forgot the gender specifics of Dina’s romantic attraction. Thanks for the reminder! (And ofc she knows people can be bi, it’s more the potential fluidity of sexuality that throws her.)
I don’t think Becky minds the idea of Dina being sapphic-but-not-lesbian, her reaction when Joyce asked if Dina was a lesbian was “apparently liking both is a thing”. https://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/04-walking-with-dina/item/ I think what Becky’s terrified of is the idea of Dina being sapphic NOW, but let’s say in a year or so, as Dina grows, she “becomes” no longer sapphic. Whether that means hetero or aromantic or whatever else in-between, I think Becky’s terrified of Dina no longer loving her.
I also think it could be that second part you said, that if Dina were to not identify as a woman, it could lead to a crisis for Becky since she is an out and proud lesbian. After all, if her girlfriend is no longer her girlfriend, does that mean she’s no longer a lesbian? Then who is Becky after all?!
Why not both, why not both. Dina gets a new identity and Becky loses hers. Nobody knows anyone anymore (??)
Gimme the drama.
Thanks for the link!
And yeah, sadly it IS a valid fear sometimes. Some people, when they have to choose between their rigid ideas of their own identity and a partner’s gender changing (either literally or just them coming to terms with something about themself), they’ll choose their ideas over their partner. (Can confirm, sadly.) It’s admittedly something I haven’t seen portrayed in fiction–at least, not in a queer-*affirming* light like this comic has. It’d be interesting.
Is this a thing in a like… “I can’t be with you because you being the other gender would invalidate my words” way rather than a “unfortunately I am not attracted to the gender presentation and/or body shapes you’re doing now” way? I feel like I’ve encountered a lot of discussion about the latter and this is my first time encountering information about the former. What does that tend to look like?
You’re welcome! And agreed. I’m actually curious where the story’s going to go with Becky, because whatever’s gonna happen, there’s been build up to it like a volcano about to burst.
Y’know, considering Becky loves wearing lesbian flag colors. You might be onto something here.
Autistic Aspec Genderfluid (Kinda) Sapphic is a mouthful but it describes me and almost half of my friends. It’s a thing. Also I admittedly like the Green/White/Purple flag way more than the enby with the yellow TwT It’s a nice palette, ok!
You mean the genderqueer flag? Genderfluid flag is different. (I personally prefer the nonbinary flag to the genderqueer flag, so hey, different strokes!)
It’s hilarious sometimes how queer people can all flock together, even before any of us are out to ourselves yet sometimes. I’ve known my friend group for over half my life now (so, over a decade and a half) and nobody was out at the time. But now, there’s very few cishets among us (and tbh, among those, there’s one or two who might not be; hard to tell where the joke-flirting stops and the real-flirting stops with people so comfy with each other).
And the good thing about an identity where there are overlapping flags is, we can pick the one we like best! I like the genderfluid flag a lot myself (even if I’m still learning which order the colors go in).
Yeah didn’t seek it out but the number of non-queer people in my friend group slowly dwindles… and not because anyone’s leaving. Even amongst the unqualified straights a majority are polyamorous. It’s kinda funny. I know more than 90% of folks aren’t queer even in my very queer city, but you’d never know from my experiences.
If you find a way to trim a syllable, you could instead sing it to the 90’s TMNT theme song.
I thought that it had been more or less made clear with Dina that she is demi-sexual and that’s basically the gist of it.
I don’t know if, in an other time-line, she could have eventually developed feeling for a guy the way she did for Becky, which would mean she could be considered bi, or if she could only ever develop that kind of feeling for a woman, (or even just Becky), which would mean she could be considered lesbian (or Becky-sexual), but none of that seems to me to be “sapphic-but-not-lesbian”.
Well, to be honest, I don’t really know what the term “sapphic-but-not-lesbian” is meant to convey, but that might be due to how, as far I understand it, a woman having either even just romantic or even just sexual (as well as both, obviously) feeling for a woman and no such feeling for a man, is a lesbian.
My point is, so far, from what I have seen of Dina, I see no reason to consider Dina as “not-lesbian”.
I missed Becky and Dina wacky antics
Well shit, I was kinda hoping today’s comic would involve Joe reacting to everything Joyce was talking about the last couple days. That was a conversation that I really wanted to see both sides of.
Oh well, Leslie being Becky’s mom is always a win. Yay Leslie!
personally i never touch subtext, can’t stand the stuff.
But of course if you say that everyone get I. Your case about being a “picky reader” like it’s a y of their business.
…oh my
Leslie looking damn sexy today