It’s not entirely clear. I’m guessing she didn’t know yet the last time she and Joss shared panel time, when the trio broke into Becky’s house, but I could see her finding out at basically any point after that.
Dina knows because she was secretly in the room the whole time and heard everything.
Joss did accept Becky as her ‘poopface new sister’ so it’s really sweet to see that Joss took that to heart and even came out to her already! Adorable.
I agree, and I think Becky took place in line before Joyce because Becky has had to come out too, and Joyce was still going through a lot of learning. Kinda like Joyce asked Ethan, sometimes having similar experiences is what people need to come out or begin talking about changes.
I now want a buddy cop movie with Becky and Dina. They would not be good at being cops and would likely somehow destroy the system, but I still want the movie.
I feel tremendous relief. I wasn’t expecting Becky to be shitty or anything, but I mean, glad she ISN’T.
I do hope that Joyce doesn’t take this as Joss saying she CAN’T keep a secret, I just imagine Joss knew it was going to be tougher for her to come out to Joyce, same as Ethan knowing first (of this group) isn’t an indictment of Joyce, either.
And Jocelyne gets to tell her little sister in front of Joe and Becky why taking photos like that and having them uploaded to the cloud automatically because everyone’s phones do by default these days is a bad idea, because you don’t know what the recipient’s default setting is…
It is interesting that Joyce seems to recognize that something’s going on with Dorothy and her stated desire to transfer to an Ivy League College, even though she’s been kept in the dark about the specifics.
Yeah, my entire comment was ‘oof, poor Joyce’. Pretty much everyone got to know but her, and apparently Jocelyne’s only telling her because she thinks their dad is about to.
I mean, of course Jocelyne gets to come out in her own way and time but still… it’s got to sting for Joyce to be the person least trusted/respected in her favorite sib’s sphere. And for Becky to be keeping yet more secrets.
It’s honestly a weird mix of sarcasm and not sarcasm. Becky does act like a loose cannon, so it can be literal, and it can be figurative because the act is just that, and becky actually does strategically withhold information.
Unfortunately for Becky, withholding information was a survival strategy for the longest time. Never forget, she’s the one who regularly broke out of her house overnight.
It’s possible Jocelyne was fine with her letting Dina know, or that Joce even called Becky when she and Dina were together and just told both of them. (Mostly Becky, but knowing that Becky’s girlfriend was in the conversation as well.)
There is way too many pink or pink and white patterned clothes in this strip. They are all blurring together like a herd of pink zebra (which one must assume are secret villains behind crimes in the Pink Panther franchise).
Now for some clarifications.
1. I imagine Amber using “Boku” cuz she’s kinda tomboyish but I could see her simply using Watashi as well. However Amazi-girl would probably use “Ore” as a way to sound intimidating and powerful.
2. I imagine Becky using “Boku” for similar reasons to Amber, in addition to her just being a silly goofball. That said I feel like she’d use the more feminine “Atashi” whenever affirming herself as a lesbian or her love for Dina, as she wants to be explicit that it’s a very feminine love.
3. Ruth using “Ore” comes from the idea of her trying to come off as a very threatening and scary RA early on. In her quiet moments with Billie and others she would probably use “Watashi”.
4. Similarly Joe might use Ore when trying to portray himself as this incredibly trashy manwhore, but may use “Boku” when around Danny or Joyce.
5. I gave Sal “Uchi” because I like the idea that Japanese Sal has a Kansai accent.
6. I really REALLY like the idea of Carla simply referring to herself using her own name, partly as a sense of her narcissism but also personal affirmation. When she’s not boasting she probably just uses Watashi though.
7. Jennifer probably uses Atashi to come off as the more ideal cutesy feminine person she tries to outwardly appear, contrasting with her prickly personality.
8. I just like the idea of Booster using somewhat feminine language to refer to themselves. Just feels right.
9. Roz and Robin use Atashi for different reasons. Roz because she’s very female forward. Robin because it makes her come off as cute to contrast her often madcap antics. Though I also believe Robin just truly thinks she’s very cute.
I feel like a lot of people have kept secrets from Joyce….Or maybe it’s just two people. Still feels like something about Joyce makes people nervous to share personal stuff with her,
In a weird way, I think it has to do with how much people care about Joyce. They might be afraid of her reaction because she means a lot to them, or they might not want to let her down. Some of it might be the idea that she would judge them, but that matters more because their feelings are more impacted by what Joyce thinks of them.
Dead ass it’s because she was a good lil church girl who was so sheltered as to shatter like a pane of glass if anyone she cared about wasn’t on the “Right Side” of the Superdickhead branch of the church her mom indoctrinated her into. Joyce would have snitched to “Save their souls” because that’s all she knew.
Also, lets remember… Toedad tried to kill them. Joyce’s mom would have probably sent them into conversion camps or worse.
Joyce was *not* a safe ear to come out too before she came to school
Speaking as an autistic person: don’t tell me your secrets! I hate keeping secrets and I’m a terrible liar! Telling me your secrets will literally give me a panic attack! Why do you want to give me a panic attack?
Okay what is that expression on Joe? Is he getting overwhelmed? I probably would be in his shoes, with four different people to deal with at once. Maybe I’m just projecting? Normal people at this point wouldn’t be drawing up mental maps of how these girls all think of each other, and think of each other’s thoughts of each other to the 4th degree?
Kinda love how Dorothy’s arc has been affected by the changing zeitgeist around the presidency in the time since the comic started. The audience has learned to understand the what was wrong with the presidency in about the amount of time it took Joyce to understand what was wrong with Christianity. The result is a really interesting parallel in these two characters’ arcs that doesn’t really come from anything in-text. That’s fascinating. Woah.
I had a love of my life come out to me … I was first after her family…my reaction ..was “WELL DUH!!!” Cause I kinda had it figured out well in advance. I was incredibly honored, and it was one more thing I love about her. It’s not working out, alas. But the future…well, who knows? 😊
Just when you think you can’t love Jocelyne more, she surprises you. Also, kudos for Becky that knew it and didn’t tell Joyce, how good of her! But now I wonder if Becky will be there when Joyce sees the photo sent by Dorothy… Her reaction could be interesting.
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then it turns out that Joss’s apartment is one of the places where Dina and Charlie ended up, and it just went from there
Dina AND Jocelyne??!?!??! DINA AND JOCELYNE?!?!
STIMMING SO MUCH EEEEEEEEEK!!!!! ^^ <3
*plays “Welcome to Jurassic Park” on hacked muzak*
The world wasn’t ready for this.
oh shit this is not a drill, we’re getting Dina AND Jocelyne! ~<3
wonder how mad joyce is gonna be about people knowing before she did
Well there’s still Ethan to go.
Ultimately she has all the information she needs to realize that Ethan knew.
Once she thinks to recontextualize that conversation.
But what happens when Joyce tries to introduce Jocelyn to her other sister, Carla?
….. oh no.
Oh yes!
Wait, since when has Becky known?
Before Joyce did apparently.
I can see that, I’m more curious as to when it happened.
Could really be anywhere between a day ago and immediately after the day they broke into Becky’s old home together
But it kind of sounds like Joss knows Dina? Did they have an offscreen adventure we didn’t get to see?
I’m just gonna file that under “places Dina and Charlie went during their reality-bending escapades last storyline”.
I think it was in fact during the home break-in but I don’t have links to it.
Since that one Tuesday.
Just guessing, but maybe shortly after https://www.dumbingofage.com/scanner/
That would make a lot of sense actually
Joyce will have to change that phone contact from Big Brother #2.
It’s not entirely clear. I’m guessing she didn’t know yet the last time she and Joss shared panel time, when the trio broke into Becky’s house, but I could see her finding out at basically any point after that.
Dina knows because she was secretly in the room the whole time and heard everything.
I’m guessing Jocelyn came out to her off-screen to get advice about how Joyce would react.
This feels like how Joyce knew who Liz was for months before Sarah knew Joyce was aware she even had a sister.
Becky MacIntyre: Super Suave
Joss did accept Becky as her ‘poopface new sister’ so it’s really sweet to see that Joss took that to heart and even came out to her already! Adorable.
I agree, and I think Becky took place in line before Joyce because Becky has had to come out too, and Joyce was still going through a lot of learning. Kinda like Joyce asked Ethan, sometimes having similar experiences is what people need to come out or begin talking about changes.
I now want a buddy cop movie with Becky and Dina. They would not be good at being cops and would likely somehow destroy the system, but I still want the movie.
so a variant of Lethal Weapon
+1!
I feel tremendous relief. I wasn’t expecting Becky to be shitty or anything, but I mean, glad she ISN’T.
I do hope that Joyce doesn’t take this as Joss saying she CAN’T keep a secret, I just imagine Joss knew it was going to be tougher for her to come out to Joyce, same as Ethan knowing first (of this group) isn’t an indictment of Joyce, either.
Don’t feel too much relief yet. Becky is now on hand for when Joyce receives the pix.
Pffft… Bwahahahahaahahaha!
And Jocelyne gets to tell her little sister in front of Joe and Becky why taking photos like that and having them uploaded to the cloud automatically because everyone’s phones do by default these days is a bad idea, because you don’t know what the recipient’s default setting is…
Oh dear, Joyce is feeling the guilt of making characters based on your friends.
People change every day,, so trying to keep up in real time with someone can be difficult.
Also, I’m happy Jocelyne is naturally fitting in with this group, and that she can finally be the older sister she wants to be. Can you ask for more?
It is interesting that Joyce seems to recognize that something’s going on with Dorothy and her stated desire to transfer to an Ivy League College, even though she’s been kept in the dark about the specifics.
Wasn’t Joyce there when raidah was being an asshole to Dorothy about being president?
Also, Dorothy has stopped talking about it, and it is possibly why Joyce is realizing something is wrong.
Dorothy explicitly told Joyce already. https://www.dumbingofage.com/2024/comic/book-14/03-trystin-in-the-wind/miscreants/
I mean… that’s gonna sting a… well, a lot.
Yeah, my entire comment was ‘oof, poor Joyce’. Pretty much everyone got to know but her, and apparently Jocelyne’s only telling her because she thinks their dad is about to.
I mean, of course Jocelyne gets to come out in her own way and time but still… it’s got to sting for Joyce to be the person least trusted/respected in her favorite sib’s sphere. And for Becky to be keeping yet more secrets.
To be fair, she’s grown a lot in a relatively short time. August/September Joyce absolutely would have gone running to Carol if she found out.
dense comic! this is characterization for, like, half the cast!
And a situational set-up besides.
Dina is the soul of discression.
*discretion
I feel like she’s… let’s say, shading the truth, to support Becky, and I wonder if it caused her distress. Even though it was for love.
It’s honestly a weird mix of sarcasm and not sarcasm. Becky does act like a loose cannon, so it can be literal, and it can be figurative because the act is just that, and becky actually does strategically withhold information.
Becky can be a loose cannon and Dina is both perceptive and perspicuous.
Unfortunately for Becky, withholding information was a survival strategy for the longest time. Never forget, she’s the one who regularly broke out of her house overnight.
Dina is the soul of digression.
…Especially about dinosaurs!
And now four out of five characters in this strip are wearing vaguely to explicitly trans-flag-colored outfits.
Joe, go back to your room and put on one of those preppy-ass pink golf tees, I know you own at least one.
Joe already wears a lot of purple, so maybe he just needs some gray and white to be the asexual pride flag.
Which would be deeply ironic.
To be fair, she clearly can’t keep a secret that well if Dina also knows.
I remember her doing very well in keeping it a secret that she had sex with Dina. Absolute no one knew that.
She had sex with Dina?!
She had Dina with Sex!?
It’s possible Jocelyne was fine with her letting Dina know, or that Joce even called Becky when she and Dina were together and just told both of them. (Mostly Becky, but knowing that Becky’s girlfriend was in the conversation as well.)
Becky found out from Dina.
I’m gonna venture a guess that the next bomb drop is Jocelyne finding out about Joyce’s potential autism diagnosis.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Jordan had one himself, knowing what little we do about him and his parallels with Joyce.
… Could this arc be setting the stage for him to possibly reestablish contact with his sisters and Hank?
There is way too many pink or pink and white patterned clothes in this strip. They are all blurring together like a herd of pink zebra (which one must assume are secret villains behind crimes in the Pink Panther franchise).
Ethan shows up next.
“ETHAN, YOU ALSO KNEW??”
“YOU DIDNT?””
“We had a whole conversation!”
“That was about Carla!”
And then Jocelyne gets a solid five seconds of silence out of “Wait, Carla’s trans?”
Part 2 of my “What if DOA was Japanese” thought experiment. In Japanese, there is not simply one “I”. There are actually a LOT of ways to say it that help describe how one sees themselves.
Tier list on how I think the DOA cast would self identify in Japanese
Now for some clarifications.
1. I imagine Amber using “Boku” cuz she’s kinda tomboyish but I could see her simply using Watashi as well. However Amazi-girl would probably use “Ore” as a way to sound intimidating and powerful.
2. I imagine Becky using “Boku” for similar reasons to Amber, in addition to her just being a silly goofball. That said I feel like she’d use the more feminine “Atashi” whenever affirming herself as a lesbian or her love for Dina, as she wants to be explicit that it’s a very feminine love.
3. Ruth using “Ore” comes from the idea of her trying to come off as a very threatening and scary RA early on. In her quiet moments with Billie and others she would probably use “Watashi”.
4. Similarly Joe might use Ore when trying to portray himself as this incredibly trashy manwhore, but may use “Boku” when around Danny or Joyce.
5. I gave Sal “Uchi” because I like the idea that Japanese Sal has a Kansai accent.
6. I really REALLY like the idea of Carla simply referring to herself using her own name, partly as a sense of her narcissism but also personal affirmation. When she’s not boasting she probably just uses Watashi though.
7. Jennifer probably uses Atashi to come off as the more ideal cutesy feminine person she tries to outwardly appear, contrasting with her prickly personality.
8. I just like the idea of Booster using somewhat feminine language to refer to themselves. Just feels right.
9. Roz and Robin use Atashi for different reasons. Roz because she’s very female forward. Robin because it makes her come off as cute to contrast her often madcap antics. Though I also believe Robin just truly thinks she’s very cute.
aw, you didn’t leave me anything to go on about this time xD
co-signed, pretty much sounds right to me
well okay maybe one addendum:
Carla uses Atashi with her parents. I’d bet money on it.
And Mary, specifically to piss her off.
at this point i wanna see Mary drink her own piss
Interesting exercise, though I have no comments.
The worst most horrible thing Willis ever did to Joyce?
The realization Joyce has the next 15 years plotted out including her becoming President.
Dorothy gotta stay and have adventures!!!!
if Dorothy wants to be President, she can be president of the Julia Grey game world!
complete with an office that’s actually shaped like an oval, her face on coins, and best of all, no need to become a war criminal
ironically this way she’d be remembered much more fondly by millions more all over the world than if she actually became POTUS
I feel like a lot of people have kept secrets from Joyce….Or maybe it’s just two people. Still feels like something about Joyce makes people nervous to share personal stuff with her,
In a weird way, I think it has to do with how much people care about Joyce. They might be afraid of her reaction because she means a lot to them, or they might not want to let her down. Some of it might be the idea that she would judge them, but that matters more because their feelings are more impacted by what Joyce thinks of them.
Dead ass it’s because she was a good lil church girl who was so sheltered as to shatter like a pane of glass if anyone she cared about wasn’t on the “Right Side” of the Superdickhead branch of the church her mom indoctrinated her into. Joyce would have snitched to “Save their souls” because that’s all she knew.
Also, lets remember… Toedad tried to kill them. Joyce’s mom would have probably sent them into conversion camps or worse.
Joyce was *not* a safe ear to come out too before she came to school
Subtle ableism
And in some cases, not so subtle.
Hi, Dorothy.
Speaking as an autistic person: don’t tell me your secrets! I hate keeping secrets and I’m a terrible liar! Telling me your secrets will literally give me a panic attack! Why do you want to give me a panic attack?
Not many secrets, but they’re big ones.
Dina just gets cuter with every iteration.
This isn’t even her final form?
A 30-year old Dina is going to be fucking unstoppable.
Okay what is that expression on Joe? Is he getting overwhelmed? I probably would be in his shoes, with four different people to deal with at once. Maybe I’m just projecting? Normal people at this point wouldn’t be drawing up mental maps of how these girls all think of each other, and think of each other’s thoughts of each other to the 4th degree?
The real question: Who did Dorothy send those nudes to?
Will they end up on Joe’s phone since he’s next to Joyce?
I think that sequence happened in parallel with this one. We rolled the clock back a few minutes, she’s currently taking the pictures.
OUT. A. CON. TROL.
“You’re a loose Cannon Becky, turn in your badge!”
It’s queer telepathy.
Bisexuals need an external antenna. It’s a whole thing.
She’s a maniac! Maaaaaaaaaaaniac and out of control!
[The “Evil Chopsticks” part of the song intensifies]
This is what you get for ignoring your texts from your sibling, Joyce.
This is a vengeance for drinking first time without Becky, Joyce.
“Maybe she wants to stay and have adventures” What adventures? And are you– is Julia in them?
At this point, what would Becky say ’bout Julia Gray
pfffaaahahaha i love them. peace and love on planet earth
“Peace on earth, goodwill to all genders, sexes, identities, and all.”
What’s with Joss’ weird teeth hands in the last panel
Upturned palms.
And now I can’t unsee hand teeth.
Kinda love how Dorothy’s arc has been affected by the changing zeitgeist around the presidency in the time since the comic started. The audience has learned to understand the what was wrong with the presidency in about the amount of time it took Joyce to understand what was wrong with Christianity. The result is a really interesting parallel in these two characters’ arcs that doesn’t really come from anything in-text. That’s fascinating. Woah.
I had a love of my life come out to me … I was first after her family…my reaction ..was “WELL DUH!!!” Cause I kinda had it figured out well in advance. I was incredibly honored, and it was one more thing I love about her. It’s not working out, alas. But the future…well, who knows? 😊
Just when you think you can’t love Jocelyne more, she surprises you. Also, kudos for Becky that knew it and didn’t tell Joyce, how good of her! But now I wonder if Becky will be there when Joyce sees the photo sent by Dorothy… Her reaction could be interesting.