I don’t think it’s a big revelation, but I do think it’s funny that she memorized the page numbers. Though, it’s Robin, so I also wouldn’t be surprised if that’s just a random page, thrown in there to emphasize her point.
I strongly suspect the bragging (“Look at what a competent mentor I am, for the kid we both care about!”) is part of a messed-up flirting attempt, too. Peacocking, was it? Or maybe something similar?
Meh. I just think the stakes are lower with Robin. Becky knows Robin won’t be disappointed in her and will enable her more questionable decisions. Not that banging Dina was bad, but Becky feels bad about it.
Also didn’t Becky also technically follow Leslie’s advice which was “If you care enough about each other you will eventually work this out.” Which they did. Robin’s catch all “You can make mistakes” advice could apply to anything including Becky’s choice for breakfast this morning.
Honey Nut Cheerios are fine in small doses but after a while I just want the plain, no-frills variety that sorta smell like piss for some reason. Or maybe that last part is just me.
That IS one of Robin’s default outfits FROM Shortpacked! though.
We’re not exactly refuting my headcanon that this is Walkyverse!Robin, mid- Cadbury cereal cereal blackout. She consumed enough sugar to phase into another time-dilated plane of existence.
I think the whole alpha wolves came about beqcuse the wolves in question were studied in captivity which altered their behaviors and wild wolves are family oriented units. I do t know about Stockholm syndrome.
Reply and flag instead of reply and report should help. But if there could be some distance between them that would help the problem of accidentally clicking one instead of the other on phones and tablets where the small screen and the size of peoples fingers messes up what gets clicked. Not sure if it’s physically possible to distance them enough using the software at hand though.
Please report these two comments I made above enough that they get removed temporarily. I think that makes them more likely for him to see than if they’re just reported the once by me.
There is also an issue with comments pushed far enough to the right that the reply button is no longer available not being reportable. While I think the likelihood of it being a huge issue is low that does seem potentially abusable.
Yeah I did the same thing sorry apparently the whole alpha wolf thing came from i “Schenkel studied wolves at the Basel Zoo in Switzerland, where up to ten wolves were kept together in an area of 10 by 20 metres”
They weren’t family which affects their interactions.
I went to Google it, and while I don’t have anything meaningful to say yet, I do find it amusing that when I type in “Stockholm”, Google recommends “stockholm syndrome” over “Stockholm, Sweden”.
The actual story is that the psychologist created the entirety of the idea the hostages were siding with the bank robbers based on the fact that the hostages did not respect their authority and were terrified of the police going in guns blazing.
Virtually every other kidnapping victim and hostage in history, including ones held prisoner for years like certain infamous young women, have stated, “No, I considered my captors to be scum and hated them.”
It’s sort of like how the FBI has never had one of its infiltrators get too deep. Generally, most undercover agents hate their associates and can’t wait to take them down.
He came up with the idea while the hostage situation was ongoing. The government at the time wanted to explain why the hostages that they had already written off weren’t willing to die to help them get reelected.
Sorry for the tangent, thank you for telling me about your Discord community, it must be really cool if you’re in it, I’d like to join if you don’t mind… 😄
Um, sorry, but no.
First off, it isn’t mine.
Secondly, it is the discord of a streamer I follow. While it is a wonderful community, I don’t think it’s really relevant to what you’re dealing with.
Stockholm Syndrome is sort of like using torture for interrogation. There’s some weird belief violence will cause a subject to “break” and become subservient.
When torture, in fact, never inclines you to tell the truth. You may babble anything but it’s just as likely you’ll lie about it and a interrogator has no way of telling the difference.
I suppose some people want to believe force is more powerful than negotiation or peace-making.
I don’t buy that torture doesn’t work. The threat of torture has utility. And it’s pretty simple- you have 2 or more people and you hurt them until their stories line up. The reason not to use torture isn’t that it doesn’t work.
It’s a PR nightmare.
We have agreements to keep our own people from being tortured.
Knowledge that you use the practice undercuts efforts to establish trust in all other interrogations.
Other reasons I can’t think of at 1 AM.
Explicitly not ethics. Look at our track record. Self image, maybe. Not ethics.
I don’t buy that torture doesn’t work. The threat of torture has utility. And it’s pretty simple- you have 2 or more people and you hurt them until their stories line up.
That’s assuming you have 2 or more people, and it’s assuming they didn’t agree on a story beforehand as a rather obvious prevention measure.
The threat of torture works just the same as torture: at some point people will just say random stuff to make it stop, and then you have to go check it out yourself anyway.
Torture does not motivate a person to tell the truth. Torture motivates a person to tell what the torturer wants to hear to make the torture stop, which is almost never ‘the objective truth no matter what it is’. Someone who resorts to torture is not an impartial observer; they have decided on some version of the truth that they want to get to. And especially if the objective truth happens to be, say, that the person being tortured is actually INNOCENT, the torturer has a vested interest not to accept that truth, because that would mean that the torturer is someone who tortures innocent people and has to live with that on their conscience.
Zach: Torture definitely, definitely, definitely does not work to get accurate information out of people. All it does is terrorize people and get you false information.
It’s possible that some people might tell you the truth to make the pain stop – but just as many will lie to you for the same reason.
Torture is more about giving the torturer an outlet to express their vindictive hatred and satisfy their impulses, than about “working” for any supposed “goal”.
Especially if you don’t actually know anything relevant, a common drawback to torturing random captives. Eventually they will say and agree to anything to make the pain stop.
Jack Bauer style torture is nonsense copaganda, but torture has been extensively used by authoritarian regimes and colonial armies. It’s not an intel tactic AFAIK, it’s literally terrorism
Torture doesn’t work because people don’t understand what they are actually doing. You think you say: tell me the truth and I’ll stop hurting you. But what your victim hears is: tell me something I’ll believe and I’ll stop hurting you.
Torture us very effective if you want to use it in the way autorities used it in the 14th century: to make subjects confess crimes before a trial. When you hurt people they will tell you what you want to hear. You can never be sure when they are lying. Torturing multiple people to get their stories straight is worse. Because they will catch on to your questions and adjust to their answers until you leave them alone.
Dammit. Accidentally hit report. Not used to that being there.
But to answer your question, Stockholm Syndrome was never a real thing. What happened in the actual event was the hostage takers didn’t want to hurt anyone due to one of the hostages strategically building a rapport with the captors ON PURPOSE.
A criminologist/psychiatrist working with the police slandered their actions as them having been brainwashed in response to criticism by the hostages after the fact that he basically only made the situation worse and risked their lives by being aggressive to the captors. The Prime Minister and police did not act in a helpful or caring manner towards the hostages and were willing to risk their lives and/or kill them even.
The hostages were NEVER insane or brainwashed or delusional, they just didn’t want to help the people that were willing to leave them to die or risk their lives! Which is actually completely rational, and doesn’t require any brainwashing! And they of course tried to help their captors out after that because while they HAD taken them hostage, they had ALSO tried to prevent the police shooting them. Turns out, you might side with the people that actually tried to keep you alive.
The only other cases where ‘Stockholm Syndrome’ is specifically mentioned are very very very few and could be explained by again, captors NOT being complete monsters OR actual systematic brainwashing over an extended period of time using repetitive messaging like a cult or terrorist cell as they were held for a much longer period of time.
Stockholm Syndrome is generally not accepted as a real thing and especially because it is usually slapped on people as a label by media. Not actual mental health professionals. And most would say it is covered by OTHER concepts such as trauma bonding, fawn reactions, PTSD etc. where it may be brought up.
People don’t just form positive bonds with people they have never met before and cease to see them as a threat and refuse to cooperate with the authorities or government ‘for no reason’. That’s just nonsense that was initially spouted by a guy that couldn’t take criticism from the people he could have gotten killed.
As others have said, Robin is 100% right here. But can we stop for a moment and be surprised by that? She’s read Leslie’s textbook! Given that she hasn’t even read her own, this is impressive.
Robin if your going to gloat or annoyed Leslie at least wait till she’s finished her coffee it’s proper etiquette. It would proper if you just left her alone, but I guess that can’t be expected.
Also I still find it universally unfair that Leslie has only adjunct lecturer position while Robin has a proffesorship. ( I don’t know if Leslie is working on her doctorate is ABD or has a Masters) But she deserves better from one former adjunct to another albeit fictional.
I think the previous thread might have been deleted before you saw my previous comment, so to summarize it: I think the report feature is a good thing. Yes, there’s some adjustments and maybe tweaks to be made, but I still view it as good overall. So, it’s something good out of everything that’s been going on.
@Wellerman I know you follow Willis on twatter so you’ll have read this but I think their take was pretty sensitive, and they took pains to come up with a reasonable solution. So if anything, though its understandable you might feel feelings about it, I think as Yumi said, this turned out to be a good thing. So I guess thank you? And thank you Willis for proving to be a Good Webmaster once again.
Now we all just need to get used to that extra link so we hopefully don’t end up chronically disappearing the comments most people find interesting enough to want to reply to ahaha.
I accidentally reported a comment too and I’m secretly hoping they just go to moderation purgatory like when you put in too many links and later it will return to the comment flow like nothing happened. Some growing pains with this addition.
I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what happens. If a comment hits the report threshold, it’s taken off the page and has to be manually approved in order to be returned to the comments.
Yeah, the comments aren’t deleted. They end up in a queue and Willis can either reapprove them or delete them. But the comic strip goes live at midnight where Willis lives and he’s got little kids. He’s prooooooobably not gonna reapprove anything until tomorrow at earliest. XD
Yeah, a few times now I’ve gone “I want to reply to this comment! I’ll click the red link at the end of the line with the date stamp and– whoops.”
At least comments have to accumulate a few reports before they disappear (it was 5 as of yesterday), and they can’t get reported again once they’ve been manually approved. It’s a good compromise solution without going to a fully staffed and moderated forum format, it’s just going to take more than a day to iron out (and change our muscle memory).
I think the “Report” link should open a dialogue box that asks “Report this comment? Yes / No” instead of reporting right away. “Yes” can do the same “reports++” action it does now, “No” just cancels and dismisses the box. I can’t code my way out of a paper bag, so it might not be as easy as “add a dialogue box here”, but I think that concept would cut down on the accidental reports.
I’m reporting your comment so Willis is more likely to read it (not because I tapped report instead of reply like just about everyone today, of course not ahaha)
Good idea. If I can self report my comment above about distance between reply and flag I’m going to do that for the same reason. If others can do that that will help get his eyes on it.
They’re not up-to-date. You have to adjust for future date inflation. In 60 years, when it’s three weeks later, they’ll be painfully outdated – you know, the way textbooks always are (at least, until the publishers decide to gouge a new generation of students.)
And best of all, they’re worthless next semester because there will be a new cosmetically updated edition of Professor Nimrod’s book that’s mandatory for Professor Nomrod’s class!
How she earn it? I’m sincerely asking cause I’m in the opinion of that advice being generic, catch all, non advice that applies to anything. Like telling someone to “hang in there” She is a hottie though. Even I have to give her that.
It was generic, but Becky still needed to hear it. She needed to feel understood and, in a way, she seemed to be looking for permission to do what she wanted.
Not all advice is some original or super specific new idea. I don’t judge the advice on that grading curve. Is it what the subject needed to hear and did it help them make a decision that enriched their life? Then it’s good advice.
If Robin yelled, “Hey, don’t drink and drive” and Becky’s like “oh, I was totally gonna do that but now I won’t, thanks” then I’d say that’s good advice.
It really seems like such a stretch to me that Robin’s advice applied to what Becky was worried about. Which wasn’t fear of sex with Dina but insecurity that Dina didn’t find her sexually attractive. But I can’t actually argue it didn’t help her even if I personally think it was nonsense. To use your example it’s like saying “don’t drink and drive” when a person asks for advice on parallel parking. But I guess I’ll just have to stay salty on this one.
It’s true that Robin’s advice wasn’t all that relevant, but Robin doesn’t know that. She’s just going by what Becky told her. Whether she even translated making mistakes to having sex isn’t clear, because of course the important part was about Robin.
If that ever happens, I might finally cave and see what the fuss is about with this Lupin fellow. Scooby-Doo! crossovers are great, because they usually distill both series down to their essence to show newcomers what each one is all about, without sacrificing what really makes them special. Hell, they even had a whole series dedicated to celebrity guest appearances a little while ago, with everyone from Batman to Jeff Foxworthy to the voice actors of the main cast (that one was surreal), and nearly every episode could easily be somebody’s first introduction to Scooby and the gang and the work of that celebrity.
(Taffy like funny doggie cartoon, in case that wasn’t obvious)
Me and my friends did a Rifftracks style podcast a few years back called “The scooby movie crew” where we watched every scooby doo movie in order starting from the Red Shirt Shaggy movies. Quite the experience and I came away from it with an incredibly high opinion of scooby doo and scooby doo media.
There’s like 50+ of those movies, too! A new one nearly every year since the series started, at least numerically. Even people who don’t care for the franchise have to admit it’s got staying power. I don’t wanna sound pretentious, but I honestly think that in a couple hundred years, maybe even longer, people could still be telling Scooby stories with the same archetypes and plot elements, like a newer equivalent to old folklore and myths.
Actually, based on the movie’s we watched there’s closer to 45. I think we skipped the lego and puppet one, though now I feel like we should go back and watch those too.
Yep, there was a Colombo crossover, but a minimum of hijinks compared to a regular SD program, basically The Gang were eyes and ears for Columbo. Of course that program was more than 45 years ago, so I may be remembering wrong.
Poor, poor Leslie. Having to work in an environment for a large potion of your waking life where Robin can show up at any moment is probably emotionally exhausting. Like even when she’s not in the picture there’s always that thought at the back of your mind. Also there is probably colleagues who make comments or find it funny given the whole scandal thing.
The poly sci department and gender studies department are not exactly close in proximity it’s a six minute walk from Woodburn Hall to Ballitine Hall according to Google maps Robin going out of her way to do this makes feel Leslie should consider contacting HR I don’t know how much help that will be though.
This sounds like a great for Leslie to be labelled a “troublemaker” that “doesn’t play well with others” and is “a bad coworker”, and get her on the fast track to unemployment. Because if the dean (deans in general, but also THIS dean specifically) has to pick between the no-ties-including-her-own-family lesbian teacher of gender studies and the former congressowoman teacher of poli-sci, I’m not liking Leslie’s chances.
I beg the readers to use the new report functionality to what it is supposed to do: to warn and hide offensive, criminal or harmful comments.
And not to simply get hide of any content we merely judge annoying or boring, or anything you could judge to the merely fact the comment write does not have the same communication capability as you or me.
Thank you.
What is the absolute worst case scenario, here? You post a controversial comment that inspires 5+ people to dogpile the Flag button, sending your comment to purgatory, right? At which point the comic author reviews it within a timeframe they deem reasonable and either finds it unobjectionable and restores it, or finds the reporting was correct and leaves it removed from the page.
As far as I can tell, there are no losses of commenting privilege inherent in the system, so as long as you continue to comment in good faith, the stakes are pretty low.
Yeah, it’s pretty low-stakes, kinda like up/downvoting. The worst that happens is a lot of people disagree with you, and to be honest we already get away with a lot of weirdness here as-is. I really don’t think it’ll end up being a problem.
Also, sorry for double comment, but there’s also the chance that the flag button could be fit accidentally 5 times anyway, so at the very least I really think there should be a confirmation box feature because lots of users here on mobile or even differently able in regard to precision are gonna end up hitting it when they don’t mean to.
??? I was offered help from my friend Maritza yesterday, who was able to add a “|” into the list of links to separate it from “Reply,” but we’ve very likely hit the wall of things we’re able to customize on the plug-in.
No, you shouldn’t have to register to be able to find something disturbing. The report limit is 10 now, anyway, and the amount of report presses total has so far been pretty minimal according to the numbers on this side, so I don’t think this is actually going to be that big of an issue.
What I’m really curious about is, can you in some way see who flagged a comment, on your end, or is it just a raw number? Y’know, in case one of us wise-asses wanted to flag your comments as some sort of bizarre act of pointless “rebellion”? Not that anyone would actually do that.
I think what people want is probably fewer public apologies. Having your post be first every single day being a full screen of apology, rather than talking about the comic itself, kind of makes you the Main Character of the comments section, and a main character isn’t needed. You could probably get away with not feeling the need to make an apology at all, giving the comments at least a few minutes or a few hours to find a groove, and then add your thoughts later. Just hit a mental reset button, if possible. Tomorrow’s a fresh day!
OK, sorry to all the commenters and you too, Willis!!!! 😖🙏
Although I admit, a mental reset button is hard for me to find. I’m not sure if it even exists at all.
Besides the fact that this stuff is the kind of thing that haunts my brain on the most random occasions, I guess I’m just not used to expecting forgiveness the same way others around here are.
Thank you for responding though, that means so much. Closure is good. 😞
Named by an anonymous hitchhiker in the 60’s who somehow ended up in Stockholm without any money and just glommed on to every random weirdo that let them crash on their couch for a few days, and kept enabling their questionable momming because they don’t really know anyone else, also they just escaped from some scary cult so their boundaries are fairly fucked anyway
Oddly enough someone I used to work with had a hobby of talking people into going on ‘adventures’ to weird, inconvenient places when they were drunk. Stockholm was one of the places (also the Hebrides a couple of times). The result of drunk person rocking up someone with limited cash and expectations of delirium convinced bounty was a lot like that.
I spent a full two weeks in the south of Peloponnese with this gang of weirdo travellers i’d run into in Athens on Christmas day, we had this utterly preposterous project of finding some boat to cross over to Crete, it was like, January and none of us could sail and we had no money, we just tried to use “The Secret” to get “The Universe” to give us a boat because, like, we wanted it, and it totally works. I’ll never know for sure how seriously the others took this nonsense (we made a point to never waver in our faith in The Plan) but mostly we got high, annoyed fishermen, went on random missions and lived off dumpster diving and shoplifting.
We had a great time, honestly. I dont know what we would have done if we had somehow “found” “a boat” but thankfully there was never a chance of that happening. We just eventually got bored and took a ferry.
Robin is so proud of Becky and she feels so happy that she was able to help her ♡♡♡. But it’s so sad to see two “divorced” parents arguing about who the best parent is and bragging about what they do for the daughter. Leslie is really upset about it, especially since Robin has the right to be happy. I don’t know if her advice will backfire on Becky eventually, but now she’s happy with it. Let’s wait for Leslie’s move now. Something tells me that she could help Becky with her confused feelings about sin and religion.
Let’s be clear on what happened: Robin broke into Leslie’s house, lay down in her bed with her while Leslie slept, and then refused to leave after being repeatedly asked to and physically thrown out.
This wasn’t a one-night stand, barely or otherwise. It was harassment, stalking, home invasion, and a lot of other stuff, much of it an actual crime, but “one-night stand” or anything else that implies Leslie gave her approval (or even had an input) it was not.
For something like a report button, I suggest adding confirmation of destructive action . A first-response option could be making the background of the Report link red (and changing text color) or otherwise visually distinguishing it.
The Report feature is essential, especially lately, so I hope you’ll keep it!
I can’t help but feel that Reply should remain the rightmost option, because that’s what we’re all used to clicking. If Flag moved over to the far left, with Permalink in between, we may not have so many false reports.
See Becky? this is why you never validate Robin, because then she thinks she’s correct in bolivating absolute nonsense that sounds sorta deep but isn’t.
I feel sorry for Leslie that she has to put up with having her stalker share her workspace and gloat about it.
Wait, hold on, Robin actually read a college textbook!? I figured that since there were not a whole lot of dynamic graphics in them, the walls of text would have been an insurmountable obstacle for her. Kudos to her, for reading something that is not mostly bubble texts.
trying desperately to figure out why stockholm syndrome would be in a gender studies book (genuinely asking tho, if anyone would know. or if this was a bit set up for the joke. lmao)
I used to think that Stockholm Syndrome had something to do with the “Tend and Befriend” or “Freeze or Fawn” trauma responses.
My theory was that forming bonds with abductors evolved as a coping response (for a species that evolved in contexts that included wars, raids on neighboring family groups, and kidnap of mates).
The writings of Elaine Morgan on the evolutionary development of sexuality had a lot to do with how I used to explain it.
But now I’m not so sure.
Wild to think that the whole basis for that theory might all just be made up.
I’ve never read Elaine Morgan, but according to Steven J. Gould (who I trust to be both scientifically exacting and politically egalitarian) you might want to take her with a grain of salt. After roundly exposing the circular logic of 19th century French anthropology’s attempts at “proving” female inferiority by weighing brains, he calls Morgan’s The Descent of Woman “as farcical as more famous tall tales by and for men” and goes on: “I would rather label the whole enterprise of setting a biological value upon groups for what it is: irrelevant and highly injurious”. (The Panda’s Thumb, essay 14)
Now this is all secondhand so obviously, take ME with a grain of salt, too.
Yes, her “Aquatic Ape” theory has been debunked several times over. But I still find some of her ideas and thought-experiments interesting, regardless of how flawed her premise may be.
Thé alt text of the comic states ‘Beauty and The Beast discourse’ so I’m guessing they discussed that film. Given Disney’s influence on childhood and it’s steady ascent to world domination it would probably be mentioned. But like the original story is I believe supposed to probably be a result of giving comfort to young women and marriage. (Possibly: ive only ever heard that on the grapevine). So probably very relevant to a gender studies class in of itself if so. (Though it’s also got its roots in the Eros and Psyche tale: but then everything is connected I suppose)
Okey so it might be a bit tricky to get hold of the information in English, but pretty much, the hostages in the hostage drama in Norrmalm’s square 1973 were dissatisfied with how the police and the goverment dealt with the situation, felt that the police escalated and put them at higher risk rather than helping them (Like gassing the building even after the hostages told them they were gonna get shot if there was gas)
Kristin Ekmark was one of the most noted hostages, 23 at the time and an employee of the bank, and one of the things she was the most furious about was that they had a phone conversation with the prime minister (Olof Palme) and he asked her “wouldn’t it be nice to die on your post?” in an attempt to comfort her when she pleaded she just wanted to get out. Also, literally the first question she got asked once released was if she had developed romantic feelings towards one of the captors.
The diagnose was described by the consultant psychiatrist for the police (Nils Bejerot) as a comment during a news broadcast and not an actual paper or so, to explain why the hostages were dissatisfied with how the situation had been dealt with. He had told the police that the robbers wouldn’t hurt the hostages regardless, because they had nothing to benefit from that, and that was their standing point regarding how hard much the police could escalate the situation without getting any fatilities
Theres something weird about hanging out here and having all sorts of conversations for years and this sort of community that formed around here (with all its in-jokes and drama and strong opinions and gimmicks abd regulars and so on) and actually after all its kind of an unintended effect of Willis just wanting some way for readers to let him know if he’s being insensitive about something. (Per his Twitter.)
I imagine thats how people felt when they found out the earth wasn’t the centre of the universe, or humans the pinnacle of evolution. “What? Are you calling ME a by-product??? 🥺”
Even though this place can be impenetrable sometimes, I love all our little shinnanigans and I’ve met and learned so much from this wonderful, diverse community full of interesting people!
Using my first and possibly only comment to say that the comic has been great this week and much of the commenty discussion underneath great to read for someone whose knowledge of the issues raised in the storyline is limited
You know, the comments from the last few days kinda have me wondering if I’m somewhere on the spectrum. I don’t know, I just see a lot of symptoms being listed and I kinda tend to do those things…
Then again, I could just be drawing connections without them having any merit. So eh.
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yeah I’m sure they just did it on accident anyway
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*goes back and looks up what the advice was*
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OH WAIT
Okay, if the advice was “make mistakes” then “she’s a teenager” is actually a very relevant point.
I think the big revelation here is that Robin apparently read Leslie’s gender studies textbook for some reason, even memorizing pages.
Though if her expression in panel 2 is any indication, it may simply be so she can smugly win arguments. That is some HellaSmug⟨™, right there.
I don’t think it’s a big revelation, but I do think it’s funny that she memorized the page numbers. Though, it’s Robin, so I also wouldn’t be surprised if that’s just a random page, thrown in there to emphasize her point.
I’m a little surprised that she didn’t claim her citation was from page 69. That would’ve been nice. 😀
I think the big revelation here is that Robin apparently reads at all!
Nah, she’s bluffing knowing that nobody reads the textbooks.
Robin reads it cause she still has the hots for leslie and it’s her way of flirting. She just doesn’t know it herself.
I strongly suspect the bragging (“Look at what a competent mentor I am, for the kid we both care about!”) is part of a messed-up flirting attempt, too. Peacocking, was it? Or maybe something similar?
Peaclamming?
“cock” in this case is opposite to “hen”, but peahens don’t do the showing off; they’re rather drab actually
Only by comparison to the males. Compared to other sorts of undomesticated fowl, even peahens are a bit on the extravagant side.
I would not be surprised if the textbook mentioned nothing stockholm syndrome on that page
Meh. I just think the stakes are lower with Robin. Becky knows Robin won’t be disappointed in her and will enable her more questionable decisions. Not that banging Dina was bad, but Becky feels bad about it.
Also didn’t Becky also technically follow Leslie’s advice which was “If you care enough about each other you will eventually work this out.” Which they did. Robin’s catch all “You can make mistakes” advice could apply to anything including Becky’s choice for breakfast this morning.
She got Raisin Bran Crunch when Cinnamon Toast Crunch was right there.
She’s technically not a kid anymore, so she can’t see why kids love it. Makes perfect sense.
I thought it was Apple Jacks that adults can’t get why kids love. Because they don’t taste like apples.
Raisin Bran Crunch is fuckin’ delicious and has lots of lovely textures to enjoy.
I give you permission to make mistakes.
Much appreciated. I might need a few boxes’ worth of mistakes though, I’m not one to learn a lesson quickly if tasty granola is involved.
smh at the lack of Honey Nut Cheerios in this thread.
Chocolate Peanut Butter Cheerios are even better.
They’re like Reeses Puffs but they don’t punch you in the face with sugar.
.. oh no am I old now 😮
Honey Nut Cheerios are fine in small doses but after a while I just want the plain, no-frills variety that sorta smell like piss for some reason. Or maybe that last part is just me.
It’s Grape-Nut Flakes for the win. (not so much because they’re awesomesauce, but because they have more malt sugar than most other cereals)
Honey Bunches of Oats, yo.
Apple Jacks FTW 😋
Becky’s mommies are fighting. The makeup sex will be…
To the Steven Universe soundtrack, like usual.
well, THAT was a spittake
Round and round, let the city turn
Party in the hills, we can party in the ‘burbs
What comes around goes around
oh, well played. *golf clap*
This isn’t short packed so who knows?
That IS one of Robin’s default outfits FROM Shortpacked! though.
We’re not exactly refuting my headcanon that this is Walkyverse!Robin, mid- Cadbury cereal cereal blackout. She consumed enough sugar to phase into another time-dilated plane of existence.
I’m pretty sure that’s Robin’s plan (or you know deluded hope)
wait is this just a Robin-ism or is Stockholm syndrome really like alpha wolves
If my memory serves it’s much worse than alpha wolves, which was at least an honest mistake.
I think the whole alpha wolves came about beqcuse the wolves in question were studied in captivity which altered their behaviors and wild wolves are family oriented units. I do t know about Stockholm syndrome.
They weren’t just in captivity, they were wholly unrelated, the wolves.
That was the point of the study. But, people didn’t read it, just the cliffsnotes.
And, I’m going to apologize for accidentally hitting the new “report”, when trying to reply. This’ll be an issue for a while, as we get used to it.
I have hit the report button by accident to its hard when your using a phone.
So the wolves had stockholm syndrome. Gotcha
If you’re a wolf and you’re from Stockholm, what you going to do?
Thought Incredible-ly hard, the Stockholm wolf will develop a “Syndrome.”
dammit I accidentally hit the “Report” button when I was trying to reply, sorry
and now I don’t remember what the reply was. oops
I mean I accidentally hit the previous comment with one. We’ll get used to it.
Reply and flag instead of reply and report should help. But if there could be some distance between them that would help the problem of accidentally clicking one instead of the other on phones and tablets where the small screen and the size of peoples fingers messes up what gets clicked. Not sure if it’s physically possible to distance them enough using the software at hand though.
Please report these two comments I made above enough that they get removed temporarily. I think that makes them more likely for him to see than if they’re just reported the once by me.
There is also an issue with comments pushed far enough to the right that the reply button is no longer available not being reportable. While I think the likelihood of it being a huge issue is low that does seem potentially abusable.
Ooh. That’s a good thought. Could be more of an issue than you’d expect, since it’s heated threads that are most likely to get pushed to the right.
Yeah I did the same thing sorry apparently the whole alpha wolf thing came from i “Schenkel studied wolves at the Basel Zoo in Switzerland, where up to ten wolves were kept together in an area of 10 by 20 metres”
They weren’t family which affects their interactions.
That sounds like animal abuse just by denying them room to roam.
It was 1947 so yeah animal abuse was pretty par for the course.
So basically, what he learned wasn’t how wolf-packs worked. What he learned was what wolf prison rules are.
… which weren’t all that different from human prison rules, really.
Basically, yeah. Normal wolves are a family unit, the study wolves were a prison gang in an extra nasty prison.
“Wolf Prison” would be a great name for a Swedish death metal band.
Would they be from Stockholm?
Oh, yeah, it’s a mess. I feel like by the time I find my sources, someone else will have posted them, so I’ll just say that for now.
I went to Google it, and while I don’t have anything meaningful to say yet, I do find it amusing that when I type in “Stockholm”, Google recommends “stockholm syndrome” over “Stockholm, Sweden”.
Well you know which one is more populated.
The actual story is that the psychologist created the entirety of the idea the hostages were siding with the bank robbers based on the fact that the hostages did not respect their authority and were terrified of the police going in guns blazing.
Virtually every other kidnapping victim and hostage in history, including ones held prisoner for years like certain infamous young women, have stated, “No, I considered my captors to be scum and hated them.”
It’s sort of like how the FBI has never had one of its infiltrators get too deep. Generally, most undercover agents hate their associates and can’t wait to take them down.
He didn’t even fucking talk to them. It’s appalling malpractice.
He came up with the idea while the hostage situation was ongoing. The government at the time wanted to explain why the hostages that they had already written off weren’t willing to die to help them get reelected.
That is… really interesting actually. Huh.
Now I wonder how much of this Hollywood made up for the sake of drama.
Yeah, quite the tangled painful mess, isn’t it? 😵
Sorry for the tangent, thank you for telling me about your Discord community, it must be really cool if you’re in it, I’d like to join if you don’t mind… 😄
Um, sorry, but no.
First off, it isn’t mine.
Secondly, it is the discord of a streamer I follow. While it is a wonderful community, I don’t think it’s really relevant to what you’re dealing with.
Oh, OK Rose. Thank you for replying.
I just need to work on more on a big DOA Fan Game I’m making to take my mind off things, that will really help and cheer me up and others up too.
Would you like to get updates on it? It’s a kind of game I think you’d REALLY like, sexy times, and puzzles too!
My Discord is in my page if you click my name.
Stockholm Syndrome is sort of like using torture for interrogation. There’s some weird belief violence will cause a subject to “break” and become subservient.
When torture, in fact, never inclines you to tell the truth. You may babble anything but it’s just as likely you’ll lie about it and a interrogator has no way of telling the difference.
I suppose some people want to believe force is more powerful than negotiation or peace-making.
Can’t force love.
You can win love. Grow love. Sow love.
But the more you force it the greater the resentment and hate.
Force is weak.
I don’t buy that torture doesn’t work. The threat of torture has utility. And it’s pretty simple- you have 2 or more people and you hurt them until their stories line up. The reason not to use torture isn’t that it doesn’t work.
It’s a PR nightmare.
We have agreements to keep our own people from being tortured.
Knowledge that you use the practice undercuts efforts to establish trust in all other interrogations.
Other reasons I can’t think of at 1 AM.
Explicitly not ethics. Look at our track record. Self image, maybe. Not ethics.
Torture does not effectively produce reliable information, and there’s a lot of evidence to support that.
Fiction often paints Torture as reliable but not ethical, but in truth it is generally neither.
That’s assuming you have 2 or more people, and it’s assuming they didn’t agree on a story beforehand as a rather obvious prevention measure.
The threat of torture works just the same as torture: at some point people will just say random stuff to make it stop, and then you have to go check it out yourself anyway.
Torture does not motivate a person to tell the truth. Torture motivates a person to tell what the torturer wants to hear to make the torture stop, which is almost never ‘the objective truth no matter what it is’. Someone who resorts to torture is not an impartial observer; they have decided on some version of the truth that they want to get to. And especially if the objective truth happens to be, say, that the person being tortured is actually INNOCENT, the torturer has a vested interest not to accept that truth, because that would mean that the torturer is someone who tortures innocent people and has to live with that on their conscience.
Torture’s still very useful. It’s really good at extracting confessions.
It is in fact so good at extracting confessions that people will confess to things they didn’t do or even know have happened.
Zach: Torture definitely, definitely, definitely does not work to get accurate information out of people. All it does is terrorize people and get you false information.
It’s possible that some people might tell you the truth to make the pain stop – but just as many will lie to you for the same reason.
TORTURE. DOES. NOT. WORK.
Torture is more about giving the torturer an outlet to express their vindictive hatred and satisfy their impulses, than about “working” for any supposed “goal”.
Like with many things the far right favors when it comes to torture the cruelty is the point.
Especially if you don’t actually know anything relevant, a common drawback to torturing random captives. Eventually they will say and agree to anything to make the pain stop.
@Uly “All it does is terrorize people”
Pretty sure that’s the point
Jack Bauer style torture is nonsense copaganda, but torture has been extensively used by authoritarian regimes and colonial armies. It’s not an intel tactic AFAIK, it’s literally terrorism
@milu: “Jack Bauer is […] nonsense copaganda”. There, fixed it for you.
Damn it. I was chuckling about other people hitting report instead of reply, and then I did it myself. Sorry to Willis and Rose too.
For me it would be slightly easier to avoid the error if the two options were reversed with reply last.
GOOD IDEA
Torture doesn’t work because people don’t understand what they are actually doing. You think you say: tell me the truth and I’ll stop hurting you. But what your victim hears is: tell me something I’ll believe and I’ll stop hurting you.
Torture us very effective if you want to use it in the way autorities used it in the 14th century: to make subjects confess crimes before a trial. When you hurt people they will tell you what you want to hear. You can never be sure when they are lying. Torturing multiple people to get their stories straight is worse. Because they will catch on to your questions and adjust to their answers until you leave them alone.
Dammit. Accidentally hit report. Not used to that being there.
But to answer your question, Stockholm Syndrome was never a real thing. What happened in the actual event was the hostage takers didn’t want to hurt anyone due to one of the hostages strategically building a rapport with the captors ON PURPOSE.
A criminologist/psychiatrist working with the police slandered their actions as them having been brainwashed in response to criticism by the hostages after the fact that he basically only made the situation worse and risked their lives by being aggressive to the captors. The Prime Minister and police did not act in a helpful or caring manner towards the hostages and were willing to risk their lives and/or kill them even.
The hostages were NEVER insane or brainwashed or delusional, they just didn’t want to help the people that were willing to leave them to die or risk their lives! Which is actually completely rational, and doesn’t require any brainwashing! And they of course tried to help their captors out after that because while they HAD taken them hostage, they had ALSO tried to prevent the police shooting them. Turns out, you might side with the people that actually tried to keep you alive.
The only other cases where ‘Stockholm Syndrome’ is specifically mentioned are very very very few and could be explained by again, captors NOT being complete monsters OR actual systematic brainwashing over an extended period of time using repetitive messaging like a cult or terrorist cell as they were held for a much longer period of time.
Stockholm Syndrome is generally not accepted as a real thing and especially because it is usually slapped on people as a label by media. Not actual mental health professionals. And most would say it is covered by OTHER concepts such as trauma bonding, fawn reactions, PTSD etc. where it may be brought up.
People don’t just form positive bonds with people they have never met before and cease to see them as a threat and refuse to cooperate with the authorities or government ‘for no reason’. That’s just nonsense that was initially spouted by a guy that couldn’t take criticism from the people he could have gotten killed.
As others have said, Robin is 100% right here. But can we stop for a moment and be surprised by that? She’s read Leslie’s textbook! Given that she hasn’t even read her own, this is impressive.
Robin wants to impress a certain blonde adjunct lecturer.
Robin if your going to gloat or annoyed Leslie at least wait till she’s finished her coffee it’s proper etiquette. It would proper if you just left her alone, but I guess that can’t be expected.
Also I still find it universally unfair that Leslie has only adjunct lecturer position while Robin has a proffesorship. ( I don’t know if Leslie is working on her doctorate is ABD or has a Masters) But she deserves better from one former adjunct to another albeit fictional.
No, it’s Leslie who’s doing it wrong, she’s supposed to spray coffee all over the room to exclaim “WHAT??”
Calming sipping your coffee can also be a good response though, it’s really good at conveying disdain and lack of interest.
*chanting* Mom fight! Mom fight! Mom fight!
I just want to apologize here to The Wellerman. I accidentally hit report on your comment. Meant to hit reply. Mea culpa!
Don’t worry, I keep accidentally reporting comments here too, don’t really mean to, feel so clumsy and bad for this thing that’s my fault! 😖
I think the previous thread might have been deleted before you saw my previous comment, so to summarize it: I think the report feature is a good thing. Yes, there’s some adjustments and maybe tweaks to be made, but I still view it as good overall. So, it’s something good out of everything that’s been going on.
I have a habit of zooming in on links and buttons I want to press when I’m on mobile, maybe trying that can cut down on accidental reports
@Wellerman I know you follow Willis on twatter so you’ll have read this but I think their take was pretty sensitive, and they took pains to come up with a reasonable solution. So if anything, though its understandable you might feel feelings about it, I think as Yumi said, this turned out to be a good thing. So I guess thank you? And thank you Willis for proving to be a Good Webmaster once again.
Now we all just need to get used to that extra link so we hopefully don’t end up chronically disappearing the comments most people find interesting enough to want to reply to ahaha.
I accidentally reported a comment too and I’m secretly hoping they just go to moderation purgatory like when you put in too many links and later it will return to the comment flow like nothing happened. Some growing pains with this addition.
I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what happens. If a comment hits the report threshold, it’s taken off the page and has to be manually approved in order to be returned to the comments.
Yeah, the comments aren’t deleted. They end up in a queue and Willis can either reapprove them or delete them. But the comic strip goes live at midnight where Willis lives and he’s got little kids. He’s prooooooobably not gonna reapprove anything until tomorrow at earliest. XD
Yeah, a few times now I’ve gone “I want to reply to this comment! I’ll click the red link at the end of the line with the date stamp and– whoops.”
At least comments have to accumulate a few reports before they disappear (it was 5 as of yesterday), and they can’t get reported again once they’ve been manually approved. It’s a good compromise solution without going to a fully staffed and moderated forum format, it’s just going to take more than a day to iron out (and change our muscle memory).
I think the “Report” link should open a dialogue box that asks “Report this comment? Yes / No” instead of reporting right away. “Yes” can do the same “reports++” action it does now, “No” just cancels and dismisses the box. I can’t code my way out of a paper bag, so it might not be as easy as “add a dialogue box here”, but I think that concept would cut down on the accidental reports.
I’m reporting your comment so Willis is more likely to read it (not because I tapped report instead of reply like just about everyone today, of course not ahaha)
“Report” says “Flag” now. That’s good from a comprehension standpoint (you pay more attention because both words don’t start with R)!
Good idea. If I can self report my comment above about distance between reply and flag I’m going to do that for the same reason. If others can do that that will help get his eyes on it.
I don’t think the plug-in works that way. I think you kinda take the plug-in as is unless you know how to code them, which Willis does not.
Mom Fight! 🎵You’re gonna fight with aplomb🎵
Mom Fight! 🎵You’re gonna fight with Your Mom🎵
Excellent Niel Cicierega reference, we dig it.
Oh, the tension is killing me with these two!
Honestly, while I totally get Leslie’s disdain, Robin made a good point here, just, in an obnoxious way, naturally.
Definitely one of the better “I won’t let you win” expressions drawn in a while!
Up-to-date textbooks? What is this utopian nonsense?
They’re not up-to-date. You have to adjust for future date inflation. In 60 years, when it’s three weeks later, they’ll be painfully outdated – you know, the way textbooks always are (at least, until the publishers decide to gouge a new generation of students.)
Ahhh, you make a valid point. Worldview re-established 😛
Not report, reply! Tiny screens…
They gouge every semester individually. It doesn’t make the material any better.
The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Regular gouging with cosmetically “updated”, but woefully outdated text, text books are a major source of profits.
And best of all, they’re worthless next semester because there will be a new cosmetically updated edition of Professor Nimrod’s book that’s mandatory for Professor Nomrod’s class!
“Professor Nomrod” being the culinary arts teacher in cahoots with “Professor Nimrod”, not just a typo I didn’t catch before clicking “Post Comment”.
“Becky took my advice, which proves I’m the mature one,” is not the great argument Robin thinks it is.
I’m gonna let Robin take this “W” because she’s earned it and also she’s a hottie.
How she earn it? I’m sincerely asking cause I’m in the opinion of that advice being generic, catch all, non advice that applies to anything. Like telling someone to “hang in there” She is a hottie though. Even I have to give her that.
It was generic, but Becky still needed to hear it. She needed to feel understood and, in a way, she seemed to be looking for permission to do what she wanted.
Not all advice is some original or super specific new idea. I don’t judge the advice on that grading curve. Is it what the subject needed to hear and did it help them make a decision that enriched their life? Then it’s good advice.
If Robin yelled, “Hey, don’t drink and drive” and Becky’s like “oh, I was totally gonna do that but now I won’t, thanks” then I’d say that’s good advice.
It really seems like such a stretch to me that Robin’s advice applied to what Becky was worried about. Which wasn’t fear of sex with Dina but insecurity that Dina didn’t find her sexually attractive. But I can’t actually argue it didn’t help her even if I personally think it was nonsense. To use your example it’s like saying “don’t drink and drive” when a person asks for advice on parallel parking. But I guess I’ll just have to stay salty on this one.
It’s true that Robin’s advice wasn’t all that relevant, but Robin doesn’t know that. She’s just going by what Becky told her. Whether she even translated making mistakes to having sex isn’t clear, because of course the important part was about Robin.
She earned it by being a hottie.
Exactly. It’s a very open-and-shut case, no need to get Columbo or Scooby and the gang for this one.
Actually, has Columbo had a Special Appearance with Scooby yet? I’m still working through all of those shows and haven’t seen him so far.
Lupiin the 3rd and Scooby Doo need to cross over. It would be AMAZING.
If that ever happens, I might finally cave and see what the fuss is about with this Lupin fellow. Scooby-Doo! crossovers are great, because they usually distill both series down to their essence to show newcomers what each one is all about, without sacrificing what really makes them special. Hell, they even had a whole series dedicated to celebrity guest appearances a little while ago, with everyone from Batman to Jeff Foxworthy to the voice actors of the main cast (that one was surreal), and nearly every episode could easily be somebody’s first introduction to Scooby and the gang and the work of that celebrity.
(Taffy like funny doggie cartoon, in case that wasn’t obvious)
Me and my friends did a Rifftracks style podcast a few years back called “The scooby movie crew” where we watched every scooby doo movie in order starting from the Red Shirt Shaggy movies. Quite the experience and I came away from it with an incredibly high opinion of scooby doo and scooby doo media.
There’s like 50+ of those movies, too! A new one nearly every year since the series started, at least numerically. Even people who don’t care for the franchise have to admit it’s got staying power. I don’t wanna sound pretentious, but I honestly think that in a couple hundred years, maybe even longer, people could still be telling Scooby stories with the same archetypes and plot elements, like a newer equivalent to old folklore and myths.
Actually, based on the movie’s we watched there’s closer to 45. I think we skipped the lego and puppet one, though now I feel like we should go back and watch those too.
Yep, there was a Colombo crossover, but a minimum of hijinks compared to a regular SD program, basically The Gang were eyes and ears for Columbo. Of course that program was more than 45 years ago, so I may be remembering wrong.
Poor, poor Leslie. Having to work in an environment for a large potion of your waking life where Robin can show up at any moment is probably emotionally exhausting. Like even when she’s not in the picture there’s always that thought at the back of your mind. Also there is probably colleagues who make comments or find it funny given the whole scandal thing.
Yeah, having to be coworkers with the stalker that broke into your home is not healthy, to say the least.
The poly sci department and gender studies department are not exactly close in proximity it’s a six minute walk from Woodburn Hall to Ballitine Hall according to Google maps Robin going out of her way to do this makes feel Leslie should consider contacting HR I don’t know how much help that will be though.
Shit, pressed report by mistake first, my bad.
This sounds like a great for Leslie to be labelled a “troublemaker” that “doesn’t play well with others” and is “a bad coworker”, and get her on the fast track to unemployment. Because if the dean (deans in general, but also THIS dean specifically) has to pick between the no-ties-including-her-own-family lesbian teacher of gender studies and the former congressowoman teacher of poli-sci, I’m not liking Leslie’s chances.
Just over here chuckling at your “poly sci” typo and imagining what courses the “Polyamorous Science” department might offer.
“POLY SCI 101 Slutty Pythagoras: Relationship trigonometry“
GODDAMN REPORT BUTTON! My bad.
“Erotemuses, and how find them from the other two sides” and “Don’t sin with your cosin, that’s how you get inbreeding”.
“The Bonobo Hypothesis: An Alternative Just-So EvoPsych Theory (We Use Terrible Biology Just Like The Bigots, Except We Do So To Justify Having Fun)”
And in today’s history class, “Slutting the fields of Carthage”.
The Department of Political Science is located in Woodburn, as is Robin’s lecture hall. She’s not traveling anywhere.
I’m spurred to comment for the first time by how much I love the facial expressions in this particular strip. They’re both in top form.
Oh hey look at you commenting for the first time, welcome!
Also why does your comment say “moderated” where the (brand new) “report” button should be
Probably it was auto-filed-for-moderation on account of being a firsy comment and Their Willisness just white listed you
Interesting, kinda
It’s because I have to approve first-time posts. It wasn’t flagged.
Just file that restraining order already, Leslie.
I guess Leslie doesn’t have this information, but it also super had nothing to do with Robin’s advice
I beg the readers to use the new report functionality to what it is supposed to do: to warn and hide offensive, criminal or harmful comments.
And not to simply get hide of any content we merely judge annoying or boring, or anything you could judge to the merely fact the comment write does not have the same communication capability as you or me.
Thank you.
Besides the physical accessibility of the interface, yes, I am very much concerned about the potential for abuse of this system. 😧
What is the absolute worst case scenario, here? You post a controversial comment that inspires 5+ people to dogpile the Flag button, sending your comment to purgatory, right? At which point the comic author reviews it within a timeframe they deem reasonable and either finds it unobjectionable and restores it, or finds the reporting was correct and leaves it removed from the page.
As far as I can tell, there are no losses of commenting privilege inherent in the system, so as long as you continue to comment in good faith, the stakes are pretty low.
Yeah, it’s pretty low-stakes, kinda like up/downvoting. The worst that happens is a lot of people disagree with you, and to be honest we already get away with a lot of weirdness here as-is. I really don’t think it’ll end up being a problem.
Well, there’s also the fact that you don’t even need to be an approved commenter to flag in the first place.
I tested it myself, and I think it should REALLY be addressed.
Also, sorry for double comment, but there’s also the chance that the flag button could be fit accidentally 5 times anyway, so at the very least I really think there should be a confirmation box feature because lots of users here on mobile or even differently able in regard to precision are gonna end up hitting it when they don’t mean to.
Willis didn’t design the feature. It came from a plug in. If there’s no confirm box, there’s no confirm box. Not much can be done about that.
He’s actually working with a web developer, Mathias I think their name is, who’s trying to make suggested changes as we speak.
I hope they succeed.
??? I was offered help from my friend Maritza yesterday, who was able to add a “|” into the list of links to separate it from “Reply,” but we’ve very likely hit the wall of things we’re able to customize on the plug-in.
Yeah that’s who I meant. Really bad at remembering names sometimes 😅 Neurofluid!
No, you shouldn’t have to register to be able to find something disturbing. The report limit is 10 now, anyway, and the amount of report presses total has so far been pretty minimal according to the numbers on this side, so I don’t think this is actually going to be that big of an issue.
What I’m really curious about is, can you in some way see who flagged a comment, on your end, or is it just a raw number? Y’know, in case one of us wise-asses wanted to flag your comments as some sort of bizarre act of pointless “rebellion”? Not that anyone would actually do that.
I don’t think it says who flagged it, no.
OK, I will keep that in mind.
Speaking of which, I attempted to make a public apology up there and share a fun game I made long ago an an attempt to offer consolation.
I’m confused. What in that should I add to the list of things people find “disturbing” around here?
I don’t mean that as a loaded question in any way. Just genuinely asking, I really want to make up somehow for all the trouble I caused. 😥
I think what people want is probably fewer public apologies. Having your post be first every single day being a full screen of apology, rather than talking about the comic itself, kind of makes you the Main Character of the comments section, and a main character isn’t needed. You could probably get away with not feeling the need to make an apology at all, giving the comments at least a few minutes or a few hours to find a groove, and then add your thoughts later. Just hit a mental reset button, if possible. Tomorrow’s a fresh day!
OK, sorry to all the commenters and you too, Willis!!!! 😖🙏
Although I admit, a mental reset button is hard for me to find. I’m not sure if it even exists at all.
Besides the fact that this stuff is the kind of thing that haunts my brain on the most random occasions, I guess I’m just not used to expecting forgiveness the same way others around here are.
Thank you for responding though, that means so much. Closure is good. 😞
*unflags*
honestly i think it’s pretty funny that this comment was singled out
She meant the REAL Stockholm syndrome
Named by an anonymous hitchhiker in the 60’s who somehow ended up in Stockholm without any money and just glommed on to every random weirdo that let them crash on their couch for a few days, and kept enabling their questionable momming because they don’t really know anyone else, also they just escaped from some scary cult so their boundaries are fairly fucked anyway
Its a pretty specific syndrome
Oddly enough someone I used to work with had a hobby of talking people into going on ‘adventures’ to weird, inconvenient places when they were drunk. Stockholm was one of the places (also the Hebrides a couple of times). The result of drunk person rocking up someone with limited cash and expectations of delirium convinced bounty was a lot like that.
I spent a full two weeks in the south of Peloponnese with this gang of weirdo travellers i’d run into in Athens on Christmas day, we had this utterly preposterous project of finding some boat to cross over to Crete, it was like, January and none of us could sail and we had no money, we just tried to use “The Secret” to get “The Universe” to give us a boat because, like, we wanted it, and it totally works. I’ll never know for sure how seriously the others took this nonsense (we made a point to never waver in our faith in The Plan) but mostly we got high, annoyed fishermen, went on random missions and lived off dumpster diving and shoplifting.
We had a great time, honestly. I dont know what we would have done if we had somehow “found” “a boat” but thankfully there was never a chance of that happening. We just eventually got bored and took a ferry.
Robin is so proud of Becky and she feels so happy that she was able to help her ♡♡♡. But it’s so sad to see two “divorced” parents arguing about who the best parent is and bragging about what they do for the daughter. Leslie is really upset about it, especially since Robin has the right to be happy. I don’t know if her advice will backfire on Becky eventually, but now she’s happy with it. Let’s wait for Leslie’s move now. Something tells me that she could help Becky with her confused feelings about sin and religion.
Divorced parents is a bit of a stretch for what was barely a one-night stand.
GODDAMN YOU, REPORT BUTTON. My bad.
Let’s be clear on what happened: Robin broke into Leslie’s house, lay down in her bed with her while Leslie slept, and then refused to leave after being repeatedly asked to and physically thrown out.
This wasn’t a one-night stand, barely or otherwise. It was harassment, stalking, home invasion, and a lot of other stuff, much of it an actual crime, but “one-night stand” or anything else that implies Leslie gave her approval (or even had an input) it was not.
This is why I’d put Divorced between quotation marks.
For something like a report button, I suggest adding confirmation of destructive action . A first-response option could be making the background of the Report link red (and changing text color) or otherwise visually distinguishing it.
The Report feature is essential, especially lately, so I hope you’ll keep it!
I can’t help but feel that Reply should remain the rightmost option, because that’s what we’re all used to clicking. If Flag moved over to the far left, with Permalink in between, we may not have so many false reports.
See Becky? this is why you never validate Robin, because then she thinks she’s correct in bolivating absolute nonsense that sounds sorta deep but isn’t.
I feel sorry for Leslie that she has to put up with having her stalker share her workspace and gloat about it.
Wait, hold on, Robin actually read a college textbook!? I figured that since there were not a whole lot of dynamic graphics in them, the walls of text would have been an insurmountable obstacle for her. Kudos to her, for reading something that is not mostly bubble texts.
trying desperately to figure out why stockholm syndrome would be in a gender studies book (genuinely asking tho, if anyone would know. or if this was a bit set up for the joke. lmao)
oh hey, my gravatar is working !!
It comes up a lot when discussing domestic violence. Might have something to do with that.
ya know what ? that makes perfect sense
…in a sad, misogynistic sort of way.
I used to think that Stockholm Syndrome had something to do with the “Tend and Befriend” or “Freeze or Fawn” trauma responses.
My theory was that forming bonds with abductors evolved as a coping response (for a species that evolved in contexts that included wars, raids on neighboring family groups, and kidnap of mates).
The writings of Elaine Morgan on the evolutionary development of sexuality had a lot to do with how I used to explain it.
But now I’m not so sure.
Wild to think that the whole basis for that theory might all just be made up.
I’ve never read Elaine Morgan, but according to Steven J. Gould (who I trust to be both scientifically exacting and politically egalitarian) you might want to take her with a grain of salt. After roundly exposing the circular logic of 19th century French anthropology’s attempts at “proving” female inferiority by weighing brains, he calls Morgan’s The Descent of Woman “as farcical as more famous tall tales by and for men” and goes on: “I would rather label the whole enterprise of setting a biological value upon groups for what it is: irrelevant and highly injurious”. (The Panda’s Thumb, essay 14)
Now this is all secondhand so obviously, take ME with a grain of salt, too.
Huh. Thanks, milu!
Yes, her “Aquatic Ape” theory has been debunked several times over. But I still find some of her ideas and thought-experiments interesting, regardless of how flawed her premise may be.
Thé alt text of the comic states ‘Beauty and The Beast discourse’ so I’m guessing they discussed that film. Given Disney’s influence on childhood and it’s steady ascent to world domination it would probably be mentioned. But like the original story is I believe supposed to probably be a result of giving comfort to young women and marriage. (Possibly: ive only ever heard that on the grapevine). So probably very relevant to a gender studies class in of itself if so. (Though it’s also got its roots in the Eros and Psyche tale: but then everything is connected I suppose)
Okey so it might be a bit tricky to get hold of the information in English, but pretty much, the hostages in the hostage drama in Norrmalm’s square 1973 were dissatisfied with how the police and the goverment dealt with the situation, felt that the police escalated and put them at higher risk rather than helping them (Like gassing the building even after the hostages told them they were gonna get shot if there was gas)
Kristin Ekmark was one of the most noted hostages, 23 at the time and an employee of the bank, and one of the things she was the most furious about was that they had a phone conversation with the prime minister (Olof Palme) and he asked her “wouldn’t it be nice to die on your post?” in an attempt to comfort her when she pleaded she just wanted to get out. Also, literally the first question she got asked once released was if she had developed romantic feelings towards one of the captors.
The diagnose was described by the consultant psychiatrist for the police (Nils Bejerot) as a comment during a news broadcast and not an actual paper or so, to explain why the hostages were dissatisfied with how the situation had been dealt with. He had told the police that the robbers wouldn’t hurt the hostages regardless, because they had nothing to benefit from that, and that was their standing point regarding how hard much the police could escalate the situation without getting any fatilities
Theres something weird about hanging out here and having all sorts of conversations for years and this sort of community that formed around here (with all its in-jokes and drama and strong opinions and gimmicks abd regulars and so on) and actually after all its kind of an unintended effect of Willis just wanting some way for readers to let him know if he’s being insensitive about something. (Per his Twitter.)
I imagine thats how people felt when they found out the earth wasn’t the centre of the universe, or humans the pinnacle of evolution. “What? Are you calling ME a by-product??? 🥺”
I like our little community of regulars, running gags, in-jokes, and the occasional shitpost, even if it was an accident.
Yeah, it’s nice to see what sort of strange remarks people are gonna make when they open up their knives each night and react to the comic.
Went to look back at the comments from those strips, and that was five fucking years ago.
I’m unwell.
Five years and eleven days. I’ve changed houses 3 times since then.
We never did find out what Ryan was holding.
Your mom’s FAAAACE was an accident for a nickel
Me too!!!! 😊
Even though this place can be impenetrable sometimes, I love all our little shinnanigans and I’ve met and learned so much from this wonderful, diverse community full of interesting people!
Thank you all so much. 🥹🥹🥹
*plays “Grouch Anthem* by Oscar the Grouch on hacked muzak*
Glad to see Robin actually take this seriously, even if she pretends it’s all a lie
What she takes seriously, however, is scoring points and “proving” she’s
not a disasterthe “better” adult, teacher, etc.Luckily, or sadly for Robin, that involves actually being a good role model
Using my first and possibly only comment to say that the comic has been great this week and much of the commenty discussion underneath great to read for someone whose knowledge of the issues raised in the storyline is limited
Welcome, Andrews!
cool!
You know, the comments from the last few days kinda have me wondering if I’m somewhere on the spectrum. I don’t know, I just see a lot of symptoms being listed and I kinda tend to do those things…
Then again, I could just be drawing connections without them having any merit. So eh.
Smug Robin in panel two is a mood and I love it. lol