Though I find the beeping of swear-words rather ridiculous (unknown in Germany),
I do wish I could kick some sense (and empathy) in all those women and gay hating rappers (the Echo, a German music award was just discontinued after they awarded a prize to some dumb group who made jokes about Auschwitz in their lyrics, because lots of people gave their awards from previous years back in protest).
It’s not swearing that is obscene but hate mongering is.
I’ve heard at least three different attempts to censor Money for Nothing: dropping the word in question, dropping the entire verse, and splicing an M sound from a completely different part of the song to turn it into “maggot”. (That last one awkwardly throws the song’s cadence off, because they made the edit from the finished mixed song instead of just editing the vocals. It sounded like Mark Knopfler tripped.)
BBC Radio 1 edited out “You an old slut on junk” and “you cheap lousy faggot” in “Fairytale of New York” one year. It got so many complaints from listeners, plus the Pogues themselves and Kirsty MacColl’s mother, that they concluded it was clearly less offensive to leave it alone.
(For non-Brits, “Fairy Tale of New York” is a song about a drunk remembering a blazing row with his ex that for some reason is one of our Christmas pop standards.)
In The Beautiful South’s single Don’t Marry Her radio edit, the next line after the title line is “Have me”. In the album version the line is “F*ck me”. I’ve always preferred the radio edit; with Jacqui Abbot’s sweet delivery, it just seems to say more.
I’m undecided whether swapping “sweaty b*ll*cks” for “Sandra Bullocks” is an improvement or not.
Eh. As another Brit, I can say that Fairytale Of New York is a pretty good Christmas song for some reason, but the real Xmas pop song standards are as follows:
Merry Christmas Everybody
I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday (It’s CHRIIIIIISTMAAAAAAS!)
Last Christmas
All I Want For Christmas Is You
In a way, it’s a Mark Twain situation with that song. It was written from the perspective of a rather rough blue collar worker (an animated appliance mover in the video) in the early ’80s complaining about how much money rock stars made. The word “faggot” was something that would have been said in that era by someone projecting machismo. Knopfler wasn’t endorsing the word, he was documenting its common useage.
It was censored from the beginning, I remember seeing the video on MTV (they used to play videos, they didn’t have reality shows then, some of you won’t remember, it was a long time ago) and the word wasn’t distinguishable. It was already considered quite rude.
Seriously, the whole point of the song is the bluntness of the chorus contrasted with the smoothness of the song’s delivery. “Forget You” is just bland and unmemorable, and it misses the whole point of the song, which is that sometimes, you just don’t want to be elegant or “higher-ground” or any of that nonsense. You just wanna say, “**** you.” In censoring it, the song just evaporates into a toothless mischaracterization.
That’s true about the meaning of the lyrics, but I found the extra note fits the structure of the song better. If anyone ever covers it they should go with “well **** you” or something.
He’s 15. Almost 16. I remember being 15. Plenty of kids my age were having sex. I would have been quite happy doing so with a girl a few years older, had the opportunity come up.
An actual adult woman would have been weird and out of my depth, but college freshmen aren’t that far out of the peer group.
It can be predatory – older kids seducing the naive young ones, but it doesn’t have to be. And that pattern can happen just as easily with college seniors targeting the freshmen.
How the hell can R&J laws promote pedophilia when the entire concept is predicated on allowing teenagers to have (sober, consensual) sex with each other and barely-adults to have (sober, consensual) sex with older teenagers without anyone going to jail over it.
For what it’s worth, the official, legal name is actually “[a] close-in-age exemption [to age of consent laws]”. Doesn’t roll off the tongue as easily, however, I suppose. 😛
I dunno, I’m pretty sure I know more than one parent who’s had a moment where they would be only mildly perturbed by the kid spontaneously combusting. Especially if they didn’t have to clean it up.
As a parent I can confirm that there are indeed times where if I was told my kid had spontaneously combusted my response would have been “he better not have done it on my furniture”
Most hiding spots suffer from four significant problems:
1) Tight confines.
2) Difficult egress.
3) Lack of witnesses.
4) If Faz could be anywhere, he could be in the hiding spot of your choice RIGHT NOW.
The best approach is clearly to park yourself in the middle of a wide meadow, without tall grass, where you can see him approaching from half a mile away.
What? Sure, like you have never been walking past a foul mouthed kid in their early teens and just decided on the spur of the moment to set them on fire…
I’m glad that Sarah seems to be letting go of her Captain Ahab mission, at least in so far as the role she put Joyce into without her knowing. she isn’t playing dumb about Joyce confronting her, so that’s nice.
I kinda forgot Faz’s current placement. Hope he’s alright, even if he is a pest.
Sarah’s trying to abort the mission, but I dunno that Joyce would have been willing to just let the matter drop, IF NOT FOR a very conveniently timed priority interrupt, thank you Amber.
“Here is the graaph showing how efficient my penis is. Note that its majestic sweep is upwardly inflected, much like the physical arc of my p-”
*Billie gags him and throws him in closet*
They need to find Faz before he learns one very important thing…that telling a really dark backstory like his, is likely to cause at least one of the girls in Forest to hug him dramatically while sobbing. This will go double if he tells it like it’s just a fact of life that everyone goes through.
Sarah is right. Joyce truly IS such a mom. I’m glad she took it as a compliment.
Yes, I’m sure Joyce can forget ALL about Jacob and his strong arms carrying her to safety as they look into each others eyes with a soft smile… I’m sure Jacob will forget ALL about Joyce her her – how did Becky put it – endearing vulnerability, her honest bravery, how she looked in that dress…
I’ve got the feeling that however the Joyce-Jacob-Raidah ‘v’ resolves itself, it will do so in its own time and its own way. I’ve go the feeling that Raidah’s controlling personality may have a big element in that.
Maybe. I suspect it’ll be quite a few years from now, though.
(Has anybody guessed the likely timeline for them to get to graduation? I mean, there’s no chance I’ll live that long, it’s probably at least 50 years away, and people in my family don’t tend to make it into their 90s, so I won’t get to see it. But I’m kinda curious.)
They’re never graduating. There’s a good chance they’ll never hit the end of freshman year. It’s taken 8 years to reach the second week of October and I think things have been slowing down.
Okay, I’m sure this was hashed out back when Faz first showed up, but I wasn’t reading yet at that point. Are Faz and Amber not biologically related any more? Or are we assuming there’s a big dramatic irony bearing down on her? I mean, they’ve both still got the hair thing in this reality.
Probably Billie left him with Nash, and Nash left him with Lucy, and Lucy left him with Rose, and Rose left him with Zaph, and once he got too close to Zaph they both spontaneously combusted.
Oh good, I’ve been looking forward to the arc when Amber’s head explodes when she finds out how well Faz is doing as Official Cuddle Bunny of Forest Quad.
Assuming that Joyce believes Joe she is taking it very well considering what Sarah was doing
I do wonder what Joyces line is for forgiveness and what constitutes an unforgivable act. Like Ryans actions are born of everything evil whereas Toedads was actions were from a very twisted form of love (I personally wouldn’t forgive Toedad) that turned to hate
Becky could, I think. There’s still love there. And if she did, I think Joyce would.
But Ross would have to change. And it would take time. A lot of time, with a lot of evidence that he had changed.
I know people with abusive parents who’ve built new relationships with them after decades apart – after the parent fixes their own shit. In most cases, alcoholics who stopped drinking.
I know others who haven’t – whether because the parent never changed or the scars were simply too deep to ever trust.
I’m just going to put this out there. We get over to Forest Quad and find out he was WAY too intimidated by how generally NICE everyone was there to try anything there.
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“and forget Faz”
“–and FORGET YOU”
why do you just accept these answers, Amber
i see you walkin’ round the quad with the man i harbor perverse sexual lust for, and i’m like, forget youuuu
+1
(also, that song is so messed up; he keeps changing who he’s mad at, or perhaps who he is. Maybe it’s meant be a duet?)
He’s just mad.
Also, the “forget you” censored version is a crime against humanity on par with soft waffles.
I hate how so many songs with swearing in them get censored for the radio stations.
Though I find the beeping of swear-words rather ridiculous (unknown in Germany),
I do wish I could kick some sense (and empathy) in all those women and gay hating rappers (the Echo, a German music award was just discontinued after they awarded a prize to some dumb group who made jokes about Auschwitz in their lyrics, because lots of people gave their awards from previous years back in protest).
It’s not swearing that is obscene but hate mongering is.
I’ve heard at least three different attempts to censor Money for Nothing: dropping the word in question, dropping the entire verse, and splicing an M sound from a completely different part of the song to turn it into “maggot”. (That last one awkwardly throws the song’s cadence off, because they made the edit from the finished mixed song instead of just editing the vocals. It sounded like Mark Knopfler tripped.)
BBC Radio 1 edited out “You an old slut on junk” and “you cheap lousy faggot” in “Fairytale of New York” one year. It got so many complaints from listeners, plus the Pogues themselves and Kirsty MacColl’s mother, that they concluded it was clearly less offensive to leave it alone.
(For non-Brits, “Fairy Tale of New York” is a song about a drunk remembering a blazing row with his ex that for some reason is one of our Christmas pop standards.)
In The Beautiful South’s single Don’t Marry Her radio edit, the next line after the title line is “Have me”. In the album version the line is “F*ck me”. I’ve always preferred the radio edit; with Jacqui Abbot’s sweet delivery, it just seems to say more.
I’m undecided whether swapping “sweaty b*ll*cks” for “Sandra Bullocks” is an improvement or not.
I love Fairytale of New York!
oh we hear it every year on the edgier stations here in the us too
Eh. As another Brit, I can say that Fairytale Of New York is a pretty good Christmas song for some reason, but the real Xmas pop song standards are as follows:
Merry Christmas Everybody
I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday (It’s CHRIIIIIISTMAAAAAAS!)
Last Christmas
All I Want For Christmas Is You
In the recent-ish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CB9OrGZ7-c, the word “mother” is substituted. I’m assuming it’s short for “motherfucker”.
In a way, it’s a Mark Twain situation with that song. It was written from the perspective of a rather rough blue collar worker (an animated appliance mover in the video) in the early ’80s complaining about how much money rock stars made. The word “faggot” was something that would have been said in that era by someone projecting machismo. Knopfler wasn’t endorsing the word, he was documenting its common useage.
It was censored from the beginning, I remember seeing the video on MTV (they used to play videos, they didn’t have reality shows then, some of you won’t remember, it was a long time ago) and the word wasn’t distinguishable. It was already considered quite rude.
Argh. I suck at HTML. That was recent-ish live version, linking to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CB9OrGZ7-c
Yes, I remember when the “M” in MTV still made sense.
…soft… waffles? D8
It’s true. Even stale waffles are better.
You could not be more wrong. >_> The censoring makes it way better.
Bad take. Forget this take.
Seriously, the whole point of the song is the bluntness of the chorus contrasted with the smoothness of the song’s delivery. “Forget You” is just bland and unmemorable, and it misses the whole point of the song, which is that sometimes, you just don’t want to be elegant or “higher-ground” or any of that nonsense. You just wanna say, “**** you.” In censoring it, the song just evaporates into a toothless mischaracterization.
I blame Glee.
But hey, like what you like!
That’s true about the meaning of the lyrics, but I found the extra note fits the structure of the song better. If anyone ever covers it they should go with “well **** you” or something.
He hates his ex and the guy she’s making kissy face with.
Yeah, just, fuck both of ’em, y’know?
Because Amber is physically incapable of acting in her own best interest
Faz is a pile of ashes now that he has been seduced by the sweet things of Forest Quad?
He is a child so I should hope the fuck not
Faz qualifies under the Romeo and Juliet laws he brought up earlier, if I’m remembering correctly.
Not that it makes things much better, because…well, it’s Faz.
And also he is a child, pedophilia-promoting legislation notwithstanding.
He’s 15. Almost 16. I remember being 15. Plenty of kids my age were having sex. I would have been quite happy doing so with a girl a few years older, had the opportunity come up.
An actual adult woman would have been weird and out of my depth, but college freshmen aren’t that far out of the peer group.
It can be predatory – older kids seducing the naive young ones, but it doesn’t have to be. And that pattern can happen just as easily with college seniors targeting the freshmen.
How the hell can R&J laws promote pedophilia when the entire concept is predicated on allowing teenagers to have (sober, consensual) sex with each other and barely-adults to have (sober, consensual) sex with older teenagers without anyone going to jail over it.
^This.
In all fairness, calling them “Romeo and Juliet laws” is super, super creepy and gross.
For what it’s worth, the official, legal name is actually “[a] close-in-age exemption [to age of consent laws]”. Doesn’t roll off the tongue as easily, however, I suppose. 😛
It’s appropriate yet still strange-seeming that we object to a child being seduced, in the midst of a conversation about a child dying in flames.
Yeah. “A fate worse than death”.
No, Amber, you’re going about this wrong.
Faz shows up when you LEAST want to see him.
Then by actively seeking him out, she will never see him again.
Sounds like she’s going about this just fine.
he is, of course, still great, though
He is currently showing Forrest Quad graphical evidence of why that is so…
graphical and graphic
with charts.
Who knows? Maybe everyone in Forest Quad needed to sacrifice a virgin.
…. Also, Sarah might want to rapidly rescind that hastily-granted Mom Credential.
I don’t see why, it’s not like she’s specifically using the term to denote moralizing passive-aggressiveness — oh.
To be fair, I don’t think Sarah knows about Carol (Joyce’s mom) at this point…
… and fortunately, I think Joyce has forgotten about what happened a couple of weekends (and books) ago as well…
I dunno, I’m pretty sure I know more than one parent who’s had a moment where they would be only mildly perturbed by the kid spontaneously combusting. Especially if they didn’t have to clean it up.
As a parent I can confirm that there are indeed times where if I was told my kid had spontaneously combusted my response would have been “he better not have done it on my furniture”
Sadly, they tend to melt down, which leaves a nasty residue.
From my previous studies on SHC the more body fat in the victim the less mess to clean up. They go up like candles when the fat % hits 25%.
Oh god, he could be anywhere now.
HIDE
RUN! RUN! FORGET YOUR CHILDREN AND LEAVE BEHIND THE WEAK! RUN!
If you have doors, lock them. If you have windows, board them up. If you still have ears, cover them, and crouch wherever you are.
It is Faz Is Great Day. Please remain calm!
Why hide?
Most hiding spots suffer from four significant problems:
1) Tight confines.
2) Difficult egress.
3) Lack of witnesses.
4) If Faz could be anywhere, he could be in the hiding spot of your choice RIGHT NOW.
The best approach is clearly to park yourself in the middle of a wide meadow, without tall grass, where you can see him approaching from half a mile away.
The courts wont accept ‘spontaneous combustion’ if you help it along. Don’t ask how I know.
I know, right? Just because of the petrol…
Well, that does kind of undermine the “spontaneous” part.
What? Sure, like you have never been walking past a foul mouthed kid in their early teens and just decided on the spur of the moment to set them on fire…
I did light him on fire your honor but in my defense or was all very spontaneous. The heat of the moment if you will.
It*
Damn it Willis I’ll pay for an edit button
Turns out it’s important who’s being spontaneous about it.
I’m glad that Sarah seems to be letting go of her Captain Ahab mission, at least in so far as the role she put Joyce into without her knowing. she isn’t playing dumb about Joyce confronting her, so that’s nice.
I kinda forgot Faz’s current placement. Hope he’s alright, even if he is a pest.
He’s fine, Nash is just teaching him how to covertly invade someone’s space without them becoming aware of it.
YES I’M STILL MAD ABOUT THAT MICROWAVE COMMENT
Stealthy Creepy Faz is worse than regular Creepy Faz…
Sarah’s trying to abort the mission, but I dunno that Joyce would have been willing to just let the matter drop, IF NOT FOR a very conveniently timed priority interrupt, thank you Amber.
Joyce is a fundie, so of course she’d resist Sarah’s attempt to abort something.
Did Faz really go that long without showing anybody a graph about the efficiency of his penis ?
Willis should do a one panel Slipshine of just that graph…
“Here is the graaph showing how efficient my penis is. Note that its majestic sweep is upwardly inflected, much like the physical arc of my p-”
*Billie gags him and throws him in closet*
*plays The Trammps’ “Disco Inferno” on the hacked Muzak*
Request for “Sarah Smile” by Hall and Oates.
Also Fire by the one and only Crazy World of Arthur Brown
Requests Billy Joel’s I didn’t start the fire
Boy I love that third panel!
“Bless your heart.”
hmm. if amber tore the sleeves off that shirt, she’d look a lot like Faye from QC.
That would make Sal into Bubbles. I’m cool with that. Danny as Martin. Fast becomes a little perverted anthroPC.
If Billie bent over in his view, he might spontaneously… something.
They need to find Faz before he learns one very important thing…that telling a really dark backstory like his, is likely to cause at least one of the girls in Forest to hug him dramatically while sobbing. This will go double if he tells it like it’s just a fact of life that everyone goes through.
“I’m sorry Amber but your brother is currently being ‘comforted’ by a round half-dozen girls. Don’t expect to see him before tomorrow morning”
“I’m sorry, Billie, what did you say? None of those words go together in my head!”
‘Or he’s now in a lion’s pit’.
That would just end with Faz killing the lions and wearing their skins as trophies.
“My God, I didn’t know lions could die of sheer annoyance.”
Darn your unfortunate timing, Amber!
But yeah I’m wondering about Faz as well. And I imagine Joyce doesn’t know about Ethan and Mike yet.
Worse. Amber doesn’t know about them yet, either.
Yeah that would affect Amber more.
But how would it compare to her two exes’ close encounter? Nothing happened I know, hence the “close”.
Amber kind of knows. She knows Mike’s been being nice to Ethan and that Ethan’s thinking about it. I don’t think she knows they’ve actually made out.
I doubt it would really bother her, other than in a reasonable “I’m going to have to pick up the pieces from this” sense. Because she knows Mike.
Sarah is right. Joyce truly IS such a mom. I’m glad she took it as a compliment.
Yes, I’m sure Joyce can forget ALL about Jacob and his strong arms carrying her to safety as they look into each others eyes with a soft smile… I’m sure Jacob will forget ALL about Joyce her her – how did Becky put it – endearing vulnerability, her honest bravery, how she looked in that dress…
This won’t backfire AT ALL is what I’m saying.
I’ve got the feeling that however the Joyce-Jacob-Raidah ‘v’ resolves itself, it will do so in its own time and its own way. I’ve go the feeling that Raidah’s controlling personality may have a big element in that.
That is very likely.
Maybe. I suspect it’ll be quite a few years from now, though.
(Has anybody guessed the likely timeline for them to get to graduation? I mean, there’s no chance I’ll live that long, it’s probably at least 50 years away, and people in my family don’t tend to make it into their 90s, so I won’t get to see it. But I’m kinda curious.)
They’re never graduating. There’s a good chance they’ll never hit the end of freshman year. It’s taken 8 years to reach the second week of October and I think things have been slowing down.
Not to mention her compelling punching out of kidnappers.
That’s a very endearing trait in a potential partner.
Joyce brings Jacob home, her mom spontaneously combusts…
I’m assuming that would be because of the episcopal thing, since best I can tell the family is not racist, just very misguided about reality.
Really? Because Joyce was mortified at the thought of repeating casually racist sentiments in front of Sarah.
You’ve made an African-American friend! I can’t wait to tell everyone on our street that our daughter isn’t racist.”
Not openly racist, but weird as hell about it. Yeah, she’d freak about Joyce dating a black guy
Joyce is a terrible mom. She up and lost the kid.
😓
Okay, I’m sure this was hashed out back when Faz first showed up, but I wasn’t reading yet at that point. Are Faz and Amber not biologically related any more? Or are we assuming there’s a big dramatic irony bearing down on her? I mean, they’ve both still got the hair thing in this reality.
Probably Billie left him with Nash, and Nash left him with Lucy, and Lucy left him with Rose, and Rose left him with Zaph, and once he got too close to Zaph they both spontaneously combusted.
Oh good, I’ve been looking forward to the arc when Amber’s head explodes when she finds out how well Faz is doing as Official Cuddle Bunny of Forest Quad.
I wonder how Joyce* would fare if she turned her attention to high-seas piracy…
*or literally every character
Joyce at least would pull off the aesthetic and lingo perfectly to a degree that she would become an unconscious self-parody.
Have you ever seen that South Park episode where they become pirates in Somalia?
Don’t worry, Amber, he’s now with Danny, who’s taken him under his wing.
Say hi to ukelele Faz, everyone!
Joe had lost points with Amber on this one.
<3 <3 <3
Pardon me while I take a moment to enjoy a rare smile from Sarah.
*Love of Joyce intensifies*
Joyce was the best of moms, Joyce was the worst of moms.
An excerpt from “A tale of two Joyces”.
Anti-Joyce?
Will a Drill Battle be involved?
Billie: Combusted? Yes.
Spontaneously?
*evil smirk*
NO.
Faz: Faz is now the hottest person in the building.
Nash: You’re certainly flaming.
Weighing in on “Whether Joyce would make a good mom”:
Plus: Can be sweetly passive agressive because she is forgiving. (And forgiving is a big thing for parenting.)
Minus: Left Faz behind.
(Or is that a plus?)
So, I’m picturing a scene like that one where Podrick returned to Tyrion and Bronn.
“So, how many injuries did they give you as they threw you out the back door?”
“None. Actually, I have added six numbers to my contact list. Several offered to pick me up if I wished to return before I get my driver’s license.”
*stunned silence*
“Sit down, Faz. We’re going to need details.”
Assuming that Joyce believes Joe she is taking it very well considering what Sarah was doing
I do wonder what Joyces line is for forgiveness and what constitutes an unforgivable act. Like Ryans actions are born of everything evil whereas Toedads was actions were from a very twisted form of love (I personally wouldn’t forgive Toedad) that turned to hate
So I wonder if Joyce could ever forgive Toedad
Becky could, I think. There’s still love there. And if she did, I think Joyce would.
But Ross would have to change. And it would take time. A lot of time, with a lot of evidence that he had changed.
I know people with abusive parents who’ve built new relationships with them after decades apart – after the parent fixes their own shit. In most cases, alcoholics who stopped drinking.
I know others who haven’t – whether because the parent never changed or the scars were simply too deep to ever trust.
I’m just going to put this out there. We get over to Forest Quad and find out he was WAY too intimidated by how generally NICE everyone was there to try anything there.
And judging from THIS https://dumbingofage.tumblr.com/post/172266394977/june-15-2018 Yeah I think he’s gonna be fine.