I like to think that this is the sort of situation that gets campus security involved and asking questions like ‘Didn’t we say ‘One more strike and you’re out’ after you were involved in a murder-kidnapping?’
Can’t wait for someone to upload this and go viral and all the comments roasting him or so assuming there arent some that’d take his side, but it’s the internet so eh
Incelerator and his dudebro minions would probably try snd skew it to look like Amazi-Girl was too scared to go after her, because she’s a cowardly girl who needs a big strong man to fight her battles for her.
If she chases after him, we’ll have to put up with him instead of focusing on an entertaining character. Someone with more depth, like those two smudgy people in the background.
Maybe it’s my ADHD talking, but I’d rather see something that’s fun without the not-fun stuff. He’s boring and makes the interesting characters look like inept wimps for even acknowledging him this long.
Amazi-Girl is fun and hot and I want at least one 20cm plush of her IRL, so at least we’ve got that going.
Yeah, that’s kinda where I am too. He’s just not interesting, his threat level seems to ping-pong between “actually something to worry about” and “complete joke”, and him being allowed to just run away unscathed like this is massively unsatisfying.
Maybe its just modern times I’m grappling with, but what about this situation calls for de-escalation? Nothing is stopping him from doing this crap again, and he’s shown not just a willingness but an eagerness to employ violence against others.
I’d rather see a Sarah/Raidah-centric story arc over this…
“X might not work” isn’t a reason to do nothing at all, though. Deescalation still requires that you actually try to address the problem in question.
The problem isn’t solved. Kicking the can down the road to when he comes back to hurt more people, which he’s shown a clear eagerness to do, is just a bad idea.
And just to dive a little farther into it: Back in the kidnapping there was a lot of talk about not calling the cops because they’d just shoot the wrong person, but the reality is this kind of low stakes confrontation is when calling the cops really does make things more dangerous.
How about just ripping off that mask, taking some pictures, and letting everyone know who this douchebag is? And yeah, might have to knock him around some more to make that happen, but he’s a cringy asshole that’s committing unprovoked assaults on others. Dude deserves to be the internet’s main character for a day, at the least.
I think the elevator shaft comes first, with either an alligator pool or a raptor pit at the bottom. The refrigerator is in the morgue and the incinerator comes afterwards.
Seriously though if this idiot comes back for round 2; will he actually fight Amazi-girl or just ruin more food, punch someone, and then run away pretending to be the victor?
I don’t know that there is any solving of the root problem that can be done.
…. or do you mean Incelerator? I’m not thinking of him as the root problem. He’s more like a symptom. It lets me file him in the same category as a pus-filled boil or uncontrollable diarrhea.
How old is Incelerator? Maybe early twenties at the oldest? When exactly were these better times? Was he even alive, or is implying dating was easier in middle school? He could at least spout rhetoric that makes sense.
I only have the ones in my hick-ass backwoods tri-county area as a sample size, so there’s probably some skew, but most toddlers I’ve encountered were total dipshits. Little morons couldn’t even do a basic BLJ in Mario 64.
I have a 4 year old niece who is living in a rural area and I would say that she has more manners than this guy. She also used to be quieter, as preschool taught her to be louder. She does like attention, but as a kid who was born in 2020 and whose mother worked with the elderly or health compromised (so had greater worries for covid), her options for socialization were quite limited and normally only adult family.
You can really get a broad spectrum on toddlers though. I have known some that can easily amuse themselves and are quite calm while others are overflowing with energy and will do anything for attention. Most pre-school aged kids that I have known absolutely love to help out, but aren’t always the greatest at doing the task. I even remember a tiff that broke out when I was in kindergarten about who was going to help the new kid the most (showing him around, etc, as his family was military and just got moved from Hawaii to Maine). While there can be some biological causes for misbehavior (red dye, ADHD etc), a lot of kids at that age tend to misbehave because they have learned it from someone, normally their parents.
How often do problematic students at school have parents at home that don’t like them going to school and tell them that they shouldn’t respect the teachers or don’t care about the kid’s wellbeing? I knew several growing up, including one girl who was well behaved and loved school even though her parents hated school and would try to prevent her from going sometimes. Her older brother, on the other hand, would threaten to kill people or other violence.
Like most of his ilk, he’s implying that the times he never lived through were the better times. The well-trodden crossroads of the incel and the fascist.
He’s talking about the time before women had any freedom. Like when they had to get married to a man to do anything. They couldn’t own a house, couldn’t get a credit card, etc. It was easier to find a girl that wanted to marry a dipshit in these times. So yes he’s not talking about his past AT ALL.
I have heard some people that claim that they want to debate but then want the format to be so limiting that it is beneficial to them (like only using sources that they approve of, like fox news, or only specific articles from a news site). There is also a lot of “evidence of absence” and other types of debates where someone just throws every made up idea at the wall and leaves you trying to provide proof of how false it all is. If someone says that this conspiracy, ideal or thing is real without any evidence and then expects you to provide evidence that it is not real, it can easily descend into being a logical fallacy.
Sea lioning was one of the terms that I wanted and couldn’t think of in the moment. I feel like there was a better term for “shifting the burden of proof” but I can’t remember it either.
Gish galloping typically doesn’t involve any sourcing as the point is to tell so many rapid fire lies that the other person gets flustered about what lies to debunk first. It’s obscenely effective against people with a stutter like Joe Biden has.
It’s not even about being flustered, it’s that it’s a lot faster to tell a lie than to debunk one, so when you throw a bunch out, your opponent can’t get through them all in the allotted time.
Best case, there’ll be one that they don’t know the response for off the top of their head, so they’ll look bad.
I’m talking public debate, of which political debates (like the Presidential ones) are the degenerate extreme. Like creationism/evolution debates, where the “Gish Gallop” got coined.
Does the “dur hur mom’s basement” thing work outside the USA? I thought people in most parts of the world lived with their families past 18 without it being seen as something inherently mockable.
Also, times is hard and rent is expensive, even if we accept that living with a parent (somehow it’s never “father’s basement”) is pathetic (we don’t), and it’s classiest to mock people who don’t wanna spend 90% of their money living alone just because it’s more socially acceptable.
I’m Polish and when I was growing up, laughing at/warning of becoming 30 year old Italians living with their mammas (assumption: and depending financially on them) was kind of a thing. Not as much the living part per se as not chipping in, I believe. Not in your early 20s, though. Parents are legally obligated here to support their children till they turn 26 or end formal education (whichever comes first).
26 seems a little high for a legal obligation, but ending formal education does seem like a reasonable cut-off. At least ’til the young’un can put that education to good use, of course.
And I would argue our judgement is always kind of mediocre.
The study people think said “the brain stops developing at 25” really said “the brain is still developing through 25”. They didn’t scan anyone over 25. Sorry to well-aktually you. Maybe it’s my mediocre judgement.
Yeah the stopped the study after the participants reached 25 because it just didn’t look like the brain would ever stop changing. Brain just keeps changing and developing all through out our lives and experience more than age is the defining factor when it comes to building up judgment. You can have teens who live in harsh conditions being more sensible than 30 year olds who lived comfy lives.
That’s the thing though. Trauma is still experience, our brains collect information and build strategies out of them. Someone who experienced harsh conditions will develop habits that will help them avoid or survive those conditions. They might not be able to live a happy, healthy life but they will Live, which is the most important thing from nature’s perspective.
That is really not how it works most of the time though. Mostly what the trauma give you is false signals of what is and what isn’t a danger, and not always the tools necessary to handle those dangers, real or imaginary. You are kind of using the “Pain make you tough” mentality that is usually not true or helpful. (A good example is the Bojack horseman episode “good damage” where one of the characters want to write a book about her abusive upbringing, but she just can’t because those painful experience didn’t actually teach her anything, or inspired anything, or make her a survivor or whatever, they were just awful.)
Yeah, that’s basically what a lot of PTSD is: ingrained responses that were adaptive in the horrible circumstances where they were learned, but not at all adaptive in a more normal life.
I feel like the main issue here is the cultural difference and how downright Atomized American society seems to be. It’s like “Every man and woman for themselves and we are kicking you out at 18” kind of mentality which just isn’t really a thing in many countries.
A family is supposed to stick together, parents support children, children support parents. I’m Polish like APW and from a rural area, I grew up in a multi-generational household where there was me, my parents, grandparents and great-grandparents.
IIRC in the US a medical insurance plan is no longer required to offer coverage of one’s child after the child reaches age 26.
Also in the US, I think the joke is not so much “living with parents” as “living with parents as a minor child” i.e. not contributing a fair share of the living expenses or doing a fair share of chores.
it is SO one of those “classy if you rich, trashy if you poor” things, and survived alongside many other traditions which survived for centuries past because then and now people were brought up to think social pyramids are an intrinsic good
i mean it’s hardly a coincidence that people of color were and still are that much more likely to live in multi-family homes than white folk due to the housing market shit and decades of racist red-lining, the notion of continuing to live with your family being inherently “pathetic” and “socially unacceptable” was also definitely venerated with racist motivations in our country for the longest time, go fucking figure (-_-)
They bought that house for a whopping three raspberries! Three! And they had to look the banker square in the eye when they gave them a firm handshake for it.
Now they want to make three raspberries cost as much as a house.
I certainly couldn’t buy my own house right after college, but my parents had left the state, so apartments with roommates were the plan. Some people moved back home after college.
Depends where you live. Where I live now, no one has a basement in their homes. We all have attics. When I lived in a different region, almost everyone in a house had basements but no one had an attic. Tornado shelters? Well that’s a different story but they’re not attached to house proper typically. Even those are a luxury because we have way too many people these days that will chase the dang things instead of taking shelter 😛
America has a harsh, factually unsupported cultural idea of rugged independence. That whole “‘Mur’can Dream” thing. Slowly we’re all seeing it as a lie, but taking very different lessons from that realization.
There are problems with the assumption of parental support through college and years after too.
Not all parents are capable of it and not all those who are well-intentioned. Most of our characters are young, but I doubt Jocelyne would have benefited from a cultural assumption that she life at home for years after college.
I mean, in the hypothetical if her home life wasn’t awful, having the option of still living with her parents and not being seen as socially unacceptable, it would help her gain her footing consider her career choice is a hard one economically speaking.
Well sure, but in her reality living with them would mean staying even deeper in the closet than she was and if that was the social norm (especially for those still having financial troubles), then wanting to move out would raise all kinds of questions she wouldn’t want to come up.
I am confused by the way you phrase like, we just switch up what become socially unacceptable, but what I mean it’s having it as an option and it not being stigmatized either way. You can leave early if you want, or stay longer if you need it and both being fine.
That’s rarely how social norms work, but even so when there are strong obvious reasons like her financial troubles to stay at home, but she wanted to move out anyway, that would raise questions.
Given that living independently is seen as a positive thing, that provides a socially acceptable reason to get out even if it’s financially hard, so the question of why she urgently wants to do so doesn’t come up.
Heckin middle class white suburbans wouldn’t be as well off as they are today without *decades* worth of government aid.
Suburbia was built in the first place with federally subsidized credit. Them highways which connected the city and the suburb so expiditing wealth from the cities turning into suburban equity, thems were built with at least 90% federal credit.
The GI Bill which allowed former WWII veterans to get education to get jobs to afford them homes in the first place? ALL federal credit.
Boomers who go on and on about how they worked for their rugged individualist victories, their American Dream within capitalism and how you can do the same, believe NOT their lies.
As Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. aptly put it, the cold hard truth is that this country is one which has socialism for the rich and white, rustic free market capitalism for poor and racial minorities.
around the world we see the majority of people with decent to good economic standing simply don’t own homes
them Murkaz convinced that home-buying and equity building is The Default Economics the whole world revolves around when it clearly ain’t, the fact of the matter is they would never have been able to live like they do without help from racist government
“Ha ha! I’m bleeding more than you!”
“No you’re not. Wanna see?”
“Ewww!” (*skates away even faster)
“Huh; note to self: ‘cooties’ still works on that crowd. Good to know.”
Incelerator is veering dangerously close to being a *pro*-Incel caricature, because as lame and douchey as he is he’s not NEARLY lame, douchey, or insane enough to feel like cutting satire of the pedophilic rapists he’s supposed to represent.
I do like the idea of a villain who’s so lame and nonthreatening that he’s allowed to get a few punchlines off before he’s defeated (or, as here, “withdraws”). His little “nah” earlier was the best gag any villain character has ever gotten and there are a lot of jokes you can do with a “bad guy” character. But I don’t want it to be THIS guy. I don’t even want to laugh *at* him, let alone *with* him, he just needs to get got.
Maybe I’d like this guy a bit more if he were named something else, but…I don’t feel good with him getting away to appear again because if he were a real incel there’d be like an 80% chance of him coming back with an AR-15.
Oh come on now, he’s nowhere near pro-incel. Not even the same galaxy. Just because he’s not foaming at the mouth and being lit on fire in public while everyone claps, that doesn’t make this positive representation.
I think the idea of an incel dressing up in costume to commit vaguely hostile acts of annoyance before being beaten or shooed away gives off team Rocket vibes. Everyone loved team Rocket. It’s a proven formula.
The problem is real Incelerator’s are way more dangerous and him escaping just gives his young, disgruntled, white male who has watched too much alt right youtube self a chance to come back with his dad’s rifle. That reality undercuts the wackiness a bit which some have mentioned already.
I’m going to take a wild stab in the dark that not many incels are reading Dumbing of Age and taking inspiration for their life from it. He’s a stupid but fun villain.
I figure there’s about as many incels reading this for life advice as there are people paying for Willis’s porn Patreon and then leaving weird right-wing nonsense in the comments there.
I really hope that’s specific enough to work as an example.
But I will say that it is the “there’s no such thing as an anti-war film.” In the fact the Incelerator must be entertaining and colorful to be a fun character but many people wouldn’t want an incel to be fun.
I’m not sure this reply makes sense to me. Did someone actually do the thing I said? I’m not on that Patreon, but I assume nobody would be enough of a dope to do the thing.
As for the “no such thing” part, I recommend basically anything by Studio Ghibli.
I’m reminded of the ones who drop in here from time to time to ask why there aren’t any positive portrayals of real Christians – where “real” is defined as “anti-LGBTQ”
Yeah, that’s the telling part. There are plenty of positive portrayals of Christians in the comic – Becky being another prominent one. So when you dig deeper into why they don’t count …
I love team rocket but I’m not sure I would vibe with a villain who was a white supremacist and had a ku klux klan pun in their name to be cartoonishly and harmlessly blown away into the horizon
“That reality undercuts the wackiness a bit” personally I think it’s the opposite: the wackiness undercuts whatever (if any?) message was being said about incels being dogshit people. now they’re just fun wacky!
I really don’t know what any of what this guy has been doing has looked as “fun wacky”. Literally everyone has been clamoring and anticipating when he gets the shit beaten out of him, and celebrating when he did. I think you guys might had gotten too into your own heads to actually see how the actual audience react to the character.
“Vaguely hostile acts of annoyance” like punching someone in the gut hard enough to knock them over? I know everyone is in costume, but in real life getting hit by a stranger is actually really serious.
What, are we just ignoring that Walky started the fight with his 12-hit combo? He showed up, announced himself, and then let loose with a 🅱️🅱️🅰️🅱️⬇️↘️➡️↗️⬆️🆎 before Incelerator could even react.
It’s a very similar string, but that one opens with 🅰️ instead of 🅱️. The light attack is important. Now, if Walky had hit this guy with the Cream O’ The Clothesline, I might have been more on his side, just fot the sheer audacity.
I think that’s kind of within the point being brought up. How serious a threat are we supposed to take Incelerator. On one hand, yes he hurt Nightguy, on the other hand, Nightguy is shown as kind of a joke himself and no offense to Walky but he’s not a fighter. Amazi-Girl handled him instantly. So is Incelerator someone we should be worried about showing up again because he might hurt someone, or should we be excited if he shows up again because it gives us some cool,, low stakes Amazi-Girl action?
I can’t think of a single time we ever laughed “with him”. Everyone has been openly mocking him since he appeared. I think you are taking one single moment that you thought he made a kind of funny bit way out of proportion.
So far Incelerator’s villainous accomplishments are saying a bunch of stupid sexist things in public, destroying Dina’s cereal, and punching Walky in the gut. Then getting his ass beat and running away. Pretty pathetic as far as villains go.
Time for Amazi-Girl to deputize Carla, maybe. It’s be nice to see Incelerator try this shit again, only to have Carla (or whatever her superhero name may be) just zoom up and clothesline him.
Or, like, any of the other roller derby girls, for that matter. Or… I guess Amazi-Girl could just wear her own skates next time.
Anyway, just so long as Incelerator gets clotheslined. That’s the crux of the matter.
Nah, that requires a ship. And I know ships are more than common in the comments section, but it has to be the kind you can actually drag someone under while it’s afloat.
Fine, I’m pretty sure there’s a way that can all happen metaphorically with comment-shipping as well.
And then she pops out her own wheels and it’s a mad race with a side of ass-whooping!
At the same time I have a sinking suspicion his plan is to lure her where his buddies are waiting.
You know, long shot speculation. Dude punched Walky. Now, Walky and Linda are obviously not on the best terms right now, but I figure Linda would take someone hitting her son as a very personal insult. And she and the dean are friendly exes. Wondeer if she’s going to try to get this guy rollerskating into expulsion?
Depends on if anyone knows who he is. I mean, *WE* know but you never know how good a costume is to the in-comic people. I mean, Jennifer still thinks Sal is Amazigirl.
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time to hit the incelerator
preferably with a truncheon
Put your foot on the incelerator!
Oh wait, she did! Yesterday.
he move so fast like in GTA till he gets
W A S T E D
XD
I like to think that this is the sort of situation that gets campus security involved and asking questions like ‘Didn’t we say ‘One more strike and you’re out’ after you were involved in a murder-kidnapping?’
Fuck campus sec. Dude assaulted Walky. Get real police and give him jail.
At least on the Indianapolis campus, the campus security people can do that. They’re sworn officers attached to the city police department.
Walky?! I thought that was Night-Guy
Pretty sure Nightguy is Sal
Na, Nightguy is Danny. Amazigirl is Sal. 😉
You don’t get “one more strike” after a murder-kidnapping. He got away.
Can’t wait for someone to upload this and go viral and all the comments roasting him or so assuming there arent some that’d take his side, but it’s the internet so eh
Incelerator and his dudebro minions would probably try snd skew it to look like Amazi-Girl was too scared to go after her, because she’s a cowardly girl who needs a big strong man to fight her battles for her.
Trump? This is totally the type of thing he would endorse, unfortunately.
*plays “Beat From Melty Blood” on hacked muzak*
Why the ”hacked muzak” repeat? If it was funny or interesting the first time, it has long since stopped being so.
Reaction music is a fine comment, but the overall schtik is so tiresome I wish I could put you on mute.
You’re just jealous you don’t have a hacked muzak.
Stephen B started that iirc, but others took it over. Bring back the original!
he has ADHD and *work*, so he may not be back for a very long time, unfortunately
especially not on US holiday season X-x
Who whizzed in your cherrioos?
Dina should do that do this Incel dude not gonna lie.
SHE WILL AVENGE HER CEREAL T_T
She ever afford that Amazi-cycle?
She’a got skate-boots. At a guess, she’s letting him “get away” to de-escalate.
That’s my take also. She’s doin’ de-esc-mode. Got friends to talk to, classes to go to, slashfic to write.
I guess Skateman was taken
(and also terrible)
I also, just today, realised it was a wordplay on incel.
I may have a smooth brain.
Okay but Amazi-Girl you used to pop skates of your own to chase people, so
Shhh… he doesn’t know that yet.
Or, the rest of the rollerdirbie team is right behind him.
If she chases after him, we’ll have to put up with him instead of focusing on an entertaining character. Someone with more depth, like those two smudgy people in the background.
Yeah, but we might get to see him get badly injured. That would be fun!
Maybe it’s my ADHD talking, but I’d rather see something that’s fun without the not-fun stuff. He’s boring and makes the interesting characters look like inept wimps for even acknowledging him this long.
Amazi-Girl is fun and hot and I want at least one 20cm plush of her IRL, so at least we’ve got that going.
Yes, I just want him to stay gone.
Yeah, that’s kinda where I am too. He’s just not interesting, his threat level seems to ping-pong between “actually something to worry about” and “complete joke”, and him being allowed to just run away unscathed like this is massively unsatisfying.
Maybe its just modern times I’m grappling with, but what about this situation calls for de-escalation? Nothing is stopping him from doing this crap again, and he’s shown not just a willingness but an eagerness to employ violence against others.
I’d rather see a Sarah/Raidah-centric story arc over this…
What about beating him up stops him from doing this again? She doesn’t know it, but AG’s beaten him up before and here he is.
Getting the cops involved has its own drawbacks and probably wouldn’t really do much anyway.
“X might not work” isn’t a reason to do nothing at all, though. Deescalation still requires that you actually try to address the problem in question.
The problem isn’t solved. Kicking the can down the road to when he comes back to hurt more people, which he’s shown a clear eagerness to do, is just a bad idea.
Is this an argument for just beating the crap out of him? Or for calling the cops?
And just to dive a little farther into it: Back in the kidnapping there was a lot of talk about not calling the cops because they’d just shoot the wrong person, but the reality is this kind of low stakes confrontation is when calling the cops really does make things more dangerous.
How about just ripping off that mask, taking some pictures, and letting everyone know who this douchebag is? And yeah, might have to knock him around some more to make that happen, but he’s a cringy asshole that’s committing unprovoked assaults on others. Dude deserves to be the internet’s main character for a day, at the least.
Or they could just shoot him. It’s not like he’s important, he’s a bit character who won’t be remembered a week after he’s dead.
Shouldn’t there be a registry to keep track of supercostumes?
The last time that happened, there was a civil war.
Brave Sir Robin
🎵 He was a Sk8er Boi
She said “see ya later boy!”
He wasn’t good enough for her . . . 🎵
That is… exactly what happened.
accurate. ~<3
AMAZI-GIRL learned DEESCALATE!
going into midnight screening of sonic 3 now, no further comments from me tonite
Oh my god how fun is that fucking movie????
I hope it’s at least as much fun as Sonic 1 and 2 put together.
Mathematically optimized fun.
Suprisingly effective descalation.
I’m impressed.
I love how she doesn’t have even a smidgen of respect for this knob. Not that she SHOULD, granted….
I hope he falls down a set of stairs again, maybe a larger flight this time.
Incelerator backs up & veers dangerously close to / ends up in a(n)…
a) alligator
b) elevator shaft
c) incinerator
d) refrigerator
e) velociraptor
Is that a list of options, or of things he backs into sequentially?
I think the elevator shaft comes first, with either an alligator pool or a raptor pit at the bottom. The refrigerator is in the morgue and the incinerator comes afterwards.
I expect the raptor will be at his throat before the alligator gets a chance to cut in, though.
He’s got two ends. They can share.
All I wanted was frickin sharks with frickin laser beams on their heads! Is that too much to ask?! 😉
“Time to go and notify campus security now he’s knocked himself out on the sliding glass doors.”
‘So clean they seem to disappear’. Janitorial is very proud of that.
Well she got him to go away although it doesn’t solve the root problem. What might he do next time; fall and retreat again?
Seriously though if this idiot comes back for round 2; will he actually fight Amazi-girl or just ruin more food, punch someone, and then run away pretending to be the victor?
I mean, that sounds pretty accurate to the “Debate Me” Bro mindset.
I don’t know that there is any solving of the root problem that can be done.
…. or do you mean Incelerator? I’m not thinking of him as the root problem. He’s more like a symptom. It lets me file him in the same category as a pus-filled boil or uncontrollable diarrhea.
I did mean Incelerator, but that is a good point that he’s a symptom rather than a major source.
And even just for him, beating him up (again) doesn’t solve the root problem either.
series wrap for Incelerator.
How old is Incelerator? Maybe early twenties at the oldest? When exactly were these better times? Was he even alive, or is implying dating was easier in middle school? He could at least spout rhetoric that makes sense.
He’s 100000% implying dating was better in middle school.
Based on his behavior and the way he talks, I’ve come to the conclusion that Incelerator is four years old.
I think you’re being unfair to four-year-olds.
I only have the ones in my hick-ass backwoods tri-county area as a sample size, so there’s probably some skew, but most toddlers I’ve encountered were total dipshits. Little morons couldn’t even do a basic BLJ in Mario 64.
I have a 4 year old niece who is living in a rural area and I would say that she has more manners than this guy. She also used to be quieter, as preschool taught her to be louder. She does like attention, but as a kid who was born in 2020 and whose mother worked with the elderly or health compromised (so had greater worries for covid), her options for socialization were quite limited and normally only adult family.
You can really get a broad spectrum on toddlers though. I have known some that can easily amuse themselves and are quite calm while others are overflowing with energy and will do anything for attention. Most pre-school aged kids that I have known absolutely love to help out, but aren’t always the greatest at doing the task. I even remember a tiff that broke out when I was in kindergarten about who was going to help the new kid the most (showing him around, etc, as his family was military and just got moved from Hawaii to Maine). While there can be some biological causes for misbehavior (red dye, ADHD etc), a lot of kids at that age tend to misbehave because they have learned it from someone, normally their parents.
How often do problematic students at school have parents at home that don’t like them going to school and tell them that they shouldn’t respect the teachers or don’t care about the kid’s wellbeing? I knew several growing up, including one girl who was well behaved and loved school even though her parents hated school and would try to prevent her from going sometimes. Her older brother, on the other hand, would threaten to kill people or other violence.
Okay, but can your niece do a BLJ up the staircase?
Assholes like this talk about nostalgia in terms of an imagined version of the past, when things were better because trust me bro.
Maybe its the 80s or the 60s or something else, but it doesn’t have to remotely reflect actual history in order to be used in this manner.
Like most of his ilk, he’s implying that the times he never lived through were the better times. The well-trodden crossroads of the incel and the fascist.
Well, to be fair, any time Incelerator didn’t exist has at least one good thing going for it.
He’s talking about the time before women had any freedom. Like when they had to get married to a man to do anything. They couldn’t own a house, couldn’t get a credit card, etc. It was easier to find a girl that wanted to marry a dipshit in these times. So yes he’s not talking about his past AT ALL.
A Wheel Pain-in-the-Ass is actually pretty good.
God, he’s so pathetic.
YEAH DUDE, JUST RUN AWAY. THAT’S SO SIGMA OF YOU.
he gonna crash and piss himself aint he? XD
Marx, please I’m begging – allow us that beautiful sight
either way at least now the DoA game series gonna have a perfect punching bag >:D
. . . Now I need Incelerator vs dumbingofage Schtickshift race.
wat is a Schtickshift race? 😮
A race involving Schtickshift
In Shortpacked!, Schtickshift was Carla’s superhero persona.
Or -villan, possibly. It’s never clear what Carla identifies as.
As opposed to Spider-Car, who we think was Ultra-Car’s superhero persona.
Carla identifies as Carla!
Is he running away or building momentum before swinging back around?
I think he’s running away. He knows he can’t beat AG in a fight. He’s just doing his incel “I’m totally leaving on my own terms” lies.
I hope he gets glue in his skates.
…..it’s a trap
I love how he both wants to fight but also doesn’t.
“Debate me!!!”*
*Can’t debate to save his life…
That’s accurate to real life, at least.
I have heard some people that claim that they want to debate but then want the format to be so limiting that it is beneficial to them (like only using sources that they approve of, like fox news, or only specific articles from a news site). There is also a lot of “evidence of absence” and other types of debates where someone just throws every made up idea at the wall and leaves you trying to provide proof of how false it all is. If someone says that this conspiracy, ideal or thing is real without any evidence and then expects you to provide evidence that it is not real, it can easily descend into being a logical fallacy.
Good old gish gallop.
Sea lioning was one of the terms that I wanted and couldn’t think of in the moment. I feel like there was a better term for “shifting the burden of proof” but I can’t remember it either.
Gish galloping typically doesn’t involve any sourcing as the point is to tell so many rapid fire lies that the other person gets flustered about what lies to debunk first. It’s obscenely effective against people with a stutter like Joe Biden has.
It’s not even about being flustered, it’s that it’s a lot faster to tell a lie than to debunk one, so when you throw a bunch out, your opponent can’t get through them all in the allotted time.
Best case, there’ll be one that they don’t know the response for off the top of their head, so they’ll look bad.
debate is whatcha put on de hook to catch de fish
Least you ain’t in De-Nile about that.
Public debate is generally a trap. It’s performance and being good at performance has little to do with being right.
Which is why tactics like the Gish gallop work so well.
Eh, formal debate is basically a sport. It superficially resembles real argumentation.
Then there’s political debate, which is just a beauty contest in which everybody gets to pick his own standards.
Yeah, formal debate has rules and things.
I’m talking public debate, of which political debates (like the Presidential ones) are the degenerate extreme. Like creationism/evolution debates, where the “Gish Gallop” got coined.
So, who sees immense chemistry between Jocelyn and Incelerator?
Can she redeem him with the power of her love?
*pause*
Okay, yeah, just me.
To be fair I had a similarly bad idea
A funny scene, but I hope not. Already too much incel self-hating gripes about ‘traps’.
The rare unironic ‘yeah you better run.’
“Maybe if you were a good little girl who stayed in your own lane” is a funny statement if you consider what AG does on off-nights
I’ve disparaged that schmuck enough, time for me to roast on Axel F
Is he leaking chocolate milk out of his mouth, or did he miss a weird spot shaving?
Also, are we finally done focusing on this worthless waste of pixels?
I believe that is a bruise in the shape of AG’s boot
Bruises imply blood. Blood implies he’s a living being. I don’t buy that premise, so it’s likely not a bruise.
To be fair, proper science requires repetition, records, and results. We need AG to deliver another 100 boots-at-high-velocity to incel idiot’s face.
Taking all bets, he’s heading go towards a a few stairs yes or no?.
♫ I never knew you
You were a roller skater
You’re gonna show me later
Turn up the Eagles, the neighbors are listening ♪
-Steely Dan
And introducing Dina’s new arch-nemesis: Volceliraptor.
Inceliraptor?
TO THE INCELE-CAVE!
(a.k.a. his mom’s basement)
Does the “dur hur mom’s basement” thing work outside the USA? I thought people in most parts of the world lived with their families past 18 without it being seen as something inherently mockable.
Also, times is hard and rent is expensive, even if we accept that living with a parent (somehow it’s never “father’s basement”) is pathetic (we don’t), and it’s classiest to mock people who don’t wanna spend 90% of their money living alone just because it’s more socially acceptable.
I’m Polish and when I was growing up, laughing at/warning of becoming 30 year old Italians living with their mammas (assumption: and depending financially on them) was kind of a thing. Not as much the living part per se as not chipping in, I believe. Not in your early 20s, though. Parents are legally obligated here to support their children till they turn 26 or end formal education (whichever comes first).
26 seems a little high for a legal obligation, but ending formal education does seem like a reasonable cut-off. At least ’til the young’un can put that education to good use, of course.
There’s arguably a biological basis for it however. 25 is approximately when our brain matures and our judgement gets better.
And I would argue our judgement is always kind of mediocre.
The study people think said “the brain stops developing at 25” really said “the brain is still developing through 25”. They didn’t scan anyone over 25. Sorry to well-aktually you. Maybe it’s my mediocre judgement.
Yeah the stopped the study after the participants reached 25 because it just didn’t look like the brain would ever stop changing. Brain just keeps changing and developing all through out our lives and experience more than age is the defining factor when it comes to building up judgment. You can have teens who live in harsh conditions being more sensible than 30 year olds who lived comfy lives.
Sometimes. The harsh conditions often lead to trauma damage
That’s the thing though. Trauma is still experience, our brains collect information and build strategies out of them. Someone who experienced harsh conditions will develop habits that will help them avoid or survive those conditions. They might not be able to live a happy, healthy life but they will Live, which is the most important thing from nature’s perspective.
That is really not how it works most of the time though. Mostly what the trauma give you is false signals of what is and what isn’t a danger, and not always the tools necessary to handle those dangers, real or imaginary. You are kind of using the “Pain make you tough” mentality that is usually not true or helpful. (A good example is the Bojack horseman episode “good damage” where one of the characters want to write a book about her abusive upbringing, but she just can’t because those painful experience didn’t actually teach her anything, or inspired anything, or make her a survivor or whatever, they were just awful.)
Hmm that is a very good point I didn’t quite consider. Kind of like feeding false data to a system.
Yeah, that’s basically what a lot of PTSD is: ingrained responses that were adaptive in the horrible circumstances where they were learned, but not at all adaptive in a more normal life.
I feel like the main issue here is the cultural difference and how downright Atomized American society seems to be. It’s like “Every man and woman for themselves and we are kicking you out at 18” kind of mentality which just isn’t really a thing in many countries.
A family is supposed to stick together, parents support children, children support parents. I’m Polish like APW and from a rural area, I grew up in a multi-generational household where there was me, my parents, grandparents and great-grandparents.
IIRC in the US a medical insurance plan is no longer required to offer coverage of one’s child after the child reaches age 26.
Also in the US, I think the joke is not so much “living with parents” as “living with parents as a minor child” i.e. not contributing a fair share of the living expenses or doing a fair share of chores.
And it only lasts that long because of Obamacare. Before that kids were basically kicked off their parents insurance at 18.
it is SO one of those “classy if you rich, trashy if you poor” things, and survived alongside many other traditions which survived for centuries past because then and now people were brought up to think social pyramids are an intrinsic good
i mean it’s hardly a coincidence that people of color were and still are that much more likely to live in multi-family homes than white folk due to the housing market shit and decades of racist red-lining, the notion of continuing to live with your family being inherently “pathetic” and “socially unacceptable” was also definitely venerated with racist motivations in our country for the longest time, go fucking figure (-_-)
Yeah, that all scans.
it’s just as Trevor Noahs once said,
“Racism is like the corn syrup of American society — it’s in EVERYTHING” XD
Oh my god I love Trevor Noah! I been watching so many episodes of the daily show and he is hilarious.
What kind of person hasn’t bought their own house after they either finished college, or came back from their tour of duty in Vietnam?
A normal one.
They bought that house for a whopping three raspberries! Three! And they had to look the banker square in the eye when they gave them a firm handshake for it.
Now they want to make three raspberries cost as much as a house.
I certainly couldn’t buy my own house right after college, but my parents had left the state, so apartments with roommates were the plan. Some people moved back home after college.
The main reason it doesn’t work is that livable basements are pretty much not a thing outside the US. Well, I don’t know about Canada.
I don’t know if a single perons who have a basement.
Depends where you live. Where I live now, no one has a basement in their homes. We all have attics. When I lived in a different region, almost everyone in a house had basements but no one had an attic. Tornado shelters? Well that’s a different story but they’re not attached to house proper typically. Even those are a luxury because we have way too many people these days that will chase the dang things instead of taking shelter 😛
Even in the US, it’s regional. When my parents lived down in North Carolina, no one had basements. Water table was about a foot below ground.:)
America has a harsh, factually unsupported cultural idea of rugged independence. That whole “‘Mur’can Dream” thing. Slowly we’re all seeing it as a lie, but taking very different lessons from that realization.
There are problems with the assumption of parental support through college and years after too.
Not all parents are capable of it and not all those who are well-intentioned. Most of our characters are young, but I doubt Jocelyne would have benefited from a cultural assumption that she life at home for years after college.
I mean, in the hypothetical if her home life wasn’t awful, having the option of still living with her parents and not being seen as socially unacceptable, it would help her gain her footing consider her career choice is a hard one economically speaking.
Well sure, but in her reality living with them would mean staying even deeper in the closet than she was and if that was the social norm (especially for those still having financial troubles), then wanting to move out would raise all kinds of questions she wouldn’t want to come up.
I am confused by the way you phrase like, we just switch up what become socially unacceptable, but what I mean it’s having it as an option and it not being stigmatized either way. You can leave early if you want, or stay longer if you need it and both being fine.
That’s rarely how social norms work, but even so when there are strong obvious reasons like her financial troubles to stay at home, but she wanted to move out anyway, that would raise questions.
Given that living independently is seen as a positive thing, that provides a socially acceptable reason to get out even if it’s financially hard, so the question of why she urgently wants to do so doesn’t come up.
I really fell like we are talking about different things here, I don’t get what you are saying relates to what I say.
This.
Heckin middle class white suburbans wouldn’t be as well off as they are today without *decades* worth of government aid.
Suburbia was built in the first place with federally subsidized credit. Them highways which connected the city and the suburb so expiditing wealth from the cities turning into suburban equity, thems were built with at least 90% federal credit.
The GI Bill which allowed former WWII veterans to get education to get jobs to afford them homes in the first place? ALL federal credit.
Boomers who go on and on about how they worked for their rugged individualist victories, their American Dream within capitalism and how you can do the same, believe NOT their lies.
As Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. aptly put it, the cold hard truth is that this country is one which has socialism for the rich and white, rustic free market capitalism for poor and racial minorities.
Factor in redlining, blockbusting and White Flight and we see even more deeply who race is tied into suburbia.
yup.
around the world we see the majority of people with decent to good economic standing simply don’t own homes
them Murkaz convinced that home-buying and equity building is The Default Economics the whole world revolves around when it clearly ain’t, the fact of the matter is they would never have been able to live like they do without help from racist government
The USA had rugged independence. It was awful and dangerous so we built communities and a functioning republic to replace it with something nicer.
Then we started to extend the nicer part to black people and flipped over to outrage at “You’re giving my hard earned money to them?”
“I’m bleeding. Making me the victor!”
*slowly wheels off-panel*
“Ha ha! I’m bleeding more than you!”
“No you’re not. Wanna see?”
“Ewww!” (*skates away even faster)
“Huh; note to self: ‘cooties’ still works on that crowd. Good to know.”
BROS ! BROS! BROS!
…ah, sorry, wrong comic
I love that she’s not even bothering to give him the time of day.
What does “stepped to me” mean? Does she mean “stepped UP to me”?
Yes, but people have dropped the “up” part. I don’t know when it happened, but I’m now accustomed to it.
Been at least a decade. I’ve heard it as far back as high school.
jeez, since when?
Somewhat around 10-15 years ago.
My high school was in the 1970s, so no wonder I’ve not heard it until now.
Incelerator is veering dangerously close to being a *pro*-Incel caricature, because as lame and douchey as he is he’s not NEARLY lame, douchey, or insane enough to feel like cutting satire of the pedophilic rapists he’s supposed to represent.
I do like the idea of a villain who’s so lame and nonthreatening that he’s allowed to get a few punchlines off before he’s defeated (or, as here, “withdraws”). His little “nah” earlier was the best gag any villain character has ever gotten and there are a lot of jokes you can do with a “bad guy” character. But I don’t want it to be THIS guy. I don’t even want to laugh *at* him, let alone *with* him, he just needs to get got.
Maybe I’d like this guy a bit more if he were named something else, but…I don’t feel good with him getting away to appear again because if he were a real incel there’d be like an 80% chance of him coming back with an AR-15.
Oh come on now, he’s nowhere near pro-incel. Not even the same galaxy. Just because he’s not foaming at the mouth and being lit on fire in public while everyone claps, that doesn’t make this positive representation.
I think the idea of an incel dressing up in costume to commit vaguely hostile acts of annoyance before being beaten or shooed away gives off team Rocket vibes. Everyone loved team Rocket. It’s a proven formula.
The problem is real Incelerator’s are way more dangerous and him escaping just gives his young, disgruntled, white male who has watched too much alt right youtube self a chance to come back with his dad’s rifle. That reality undercuts the wackiness a bit which some have mentioned already.
With this much fatherless behavior, I think that rifle is out of the question.
I’m going to take a wild stab in the dark that not many incels are reading Dumbing of Age and taking inspiration for their life from it. He’s a stupid but fun villain.
I figure there’s about as many incels reading this for life advice as there are people paying for Willis’s porn Patreon and then leaving weird right-wing nonsense in the comments there.
I really hope that’s specific enough to work as an example.
I stand corrected and feel worse about the world.
But I will say that it is the “there’s no such thing as an anti-war film.” In the fact the Incelerator must be entertaining and colorful to be a fun character but many people wouldn’t want an incel to be fun.
I’m not sure this reply makes sense to me. Did someone actually do the thing I said? I’m not on that Patreon, but I assume nobody would be enough of a dope to do the thing.
As for the “no such thing” part, I recommend basically anything by Studio Ghibli.
Someone did in fact to that recently.
Fucksake, I can’t even make shit up anymore.
I’m on that patreon. Occasionally there’s one or two. I think they get deleted fast.
I’m reminded of the ones who drop in here from time to time to ask why there aren’t any positive portrayals of real Christians – where “real” is defined as “anti-LGBTQ”
Well Jacob seemed ok that way. I’m no fan of Christianity,but he seemed very nice.
Yeah, that’s the telling part. There are plenty of positive portrayals of Christians in the comic – Becky being another prominent one. So when you dig deeper into why they don’t count …
Becky’s gay, Jacob and Lucy are Black, Sierra’s both. Is that what you’re dancing around saying?
Oops, I missed that last part, My bad. Coffee first, then post.
I love team rocket but I’m not sure I would vibe with a villain who was a white supremacist and had a ku klux klan pun in their name to be cartoonishly and harmlessly blown away into the horizon
“That reality undercuts the wackiness a bit” personally I think it’s the opposite: the wackiness undercuts whatever (if any?) message was being said about incels being dogshit people. now they’re just fun wacky!
I really don’t know what any of what this guy has been doing has looked as “fun wacky”. Literally everyone has been clamoring and anticipating when he gets the shit beaten out of him, and celebrating when he did. I think you guys might had gotten too into your own heads to actually see how the actual audience react to the character.
“Vaguely hostile acts of annoyance” like punching someone in the gut hard enough to knock them over? I know everyone is in costume, but in real life getting hit by a stranger is actually really serious.
What, are we just ignoring that Walky started the fight with his 12-hit combo? He showed up, announced himself, and then let loose with a 🅱️🅱️🅰️🅱️⬇️↘️➡️↗️⬆️🆎 before Incelerator could even react.
Isn’t that the secret combo that makes people orgasm instantly?
(or did i mix up the left and right arrow again…dang that left-right disorder.)
It’s a very similar string, but that one opens with 🅰️ instead of 🅱️. The light attack is important. Now, if Walky had hit this guy with the Cream O’ The Clothesline, I might have been more on his side, just fot the sheer audacity.
I think that’s kind of within the point being brought up. How serious a threat are we supposed to take Incelerator. On one hand, yes he hurt Nightguy, on the other hand, Nightguy is shown as kind of a joke himself and no offense to Walky but he’s not a fighter. Amazi-Girl handled him instantly. So is Incelerator someone we should be worried about showing up again because he might hurt someone, or should we be excited if he shows up again because it gives us some cool,, low stakes Amazi-Girl action?
We can fell both of those things.
I can’t think of a single time we ever laughed “with him”. Everyone has been openly mocking him since he appeared. I think you are taking one single moment that you thought he made a kind of funny bit way out of proportion.
Bros gonna back up into a manhole
it’d be the most fitting end
Closest he’ll ever get to being a man.
Admittedly, if nothing else he has a decent logo.
I hope that it gets shattered in a speech bubble when Amazi-Girl hits him.
“Ha! Face-to-Foot-Style! I’m bleeding, making me the victor!”
“You go that way, I’ll go home!”
Incelerator was trained wrong, is a joke.
(No, that wasn’t a typo.)
Nice to see people appreciating culture.
Kinda trying to figure out if he knows he’s doing as much “Incinerator” as he is “Accelerator” and I honestly don’t know.
Is he gonna burn down a building? Maybe. Will it be on purpose? Nobody knows. (Except presumably Willis.)
I don’t wanna say this guy is a loser, but… this guy is a MAJOR loser
I don’t wanna say it, so I’ll happily shout it…
I can get why you wouldn’t want to say it. Calling this guy a loser is an insult to losers.
So far Incelerator’s villainous accomplishments are saying a bunch of stupid sexist things in public, destroying Dina’s cereal, and punching Walky in the gut. Then getting his ass beat and running away. Pretty pathetic as far as villains go.
Plus he was part of a kidnapping but he’s not going to advertise that.
Show him his place, Amazi-girl!
I’ve got my fingers crossed that Sal’s standing in the misogynist little turd’s blind spot, cracking her knuckles.
How? He’s currently backing away from Sal.
Dina grabs Sal and teleports her to behind incelguy.
…Or is it Charlie who teleports?
“I wouldn’t have to get my ass handed to me if you weren’t so capable, and that’s your fault”.
“Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.”
Time for Amazi-Girl to deputize Carla, maybe. It’s be nice to see Incelerator try this shit again, only to have Carla (or whatever her superhero name may be) just zoom up and clothesline him.
Or, like, any of the other roller derby girls, for that matter. Or… I guess Amazi-Girl could just wear her own skates next time.
Anyway, just so long as Incelerator gets clotheslined. That’s the crux of the matter.
Is that like keelhauling?
Nah, that requires a ship. And I know ships are more than common in the comments section, but it has to be the kind you can actually drag someone under while it’s afloat.
Fine, I’m pretty sure there’s a way that can all happen metaphorically with comment-shipping as well.
Anyhow, clotheslining is just one of Amazi-Girl’s specialities: https://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/03-up-all-night-to-get-vengeance/roller-derby/
New Amazi-Girl not only has a new outfit, she’s also showing more restraint!
Does this mean we’re done with this absurd scene?
Oh no it’s just a setup for AmaziGirl to reveal her own wheels and for them to go on a chase through campus.
Just a “oh hey, you’re Asher Park” and then he mysteriously disappears from the strip forever.
And then she pops out her own wheels and it’s a mad race with a side of ass-whooping!
At the same time I have a sinking suspicion his plan is to lure her where his buddies are waiting.
I like how you drew the 2nd panel to specifically evokes Blaine’s chin line. Cool technique.
Mike: that’s my girl…
I keep waiting for Carla to show up because someone is besmirching the awesomeness of skates.
RE: Skater Hater – Yeah, it’s good, that’s why I used it to describe Malaya OVER TEN YEARS AGO.
Hmm. A disappointing lack of violence here. Surely this isn’t the end of Virgin Prime?
“Wheel Dick Move”
If you swap it around and make it “Hater Skater” instead you’re also playing on “helter skelter”.
He’s heading for the stairwell, isn’t he?
We can only hope. There has not been anywhere near enough suffering for that ass to sate me.
I’m pretty sure that’s the ground floor. But to be honest the idea of him trying to climb a staircase in roller skates is pretty entertaining too.
You know, long shot speculation. Dude punched Walky. Now, Walky and Linda are obviously not on the best terms right now, but I figure Linda would take someone hitting her son as a very personal insult. And she and the dean are friendly exes. Wondeer if she’s going to try to get this guy rollerskating into expulsion?
Depends on if anyone knows who he is. I mean, *WE* know but you never know how good a costume is to the in-comic people. I mean, Jennifer still thinks Sal is Amazigirl.
Oh, also depends on if she finds out about it. He may not want her to know and/or not want to have to explain why he was also in a costume.
Hell, for all we know, anyone other than the friend group might think this was all some sort of performance theater.
Yeah, Walky’s not going to Linda over this.
And no one in the scene seems to have recognized the Incelerator, though I’m holding out hope for Dina.
So far everyone’s costume but Walky’s seems to hide identities pretty well. Except that Dina saw through Amazi-Girl’s.
He looks like a zombie in the second panel.
So would I, if I’d just been hit in the jaw with a flying AmaziGirl. I’m surprised he can speak coherently.
‘got a name, fella?’ i love how she talks like an embittered 30s noir pd 💕
If only “Incelerator” were a type of furnace
“You wanna take this outside pal?”
“Damn right I do!”
*locks door*
“I thought he’d never leave!”