“how did Joe know what question would rile up Joyce” When I dated someone who would Not Shut Up about cars, I once joked, “Hey look, it’s your *FAVOURITE* truck! CAB OVER ENGINE!”
Joe and Joyce sorted the child drawing her mom dropped by. Then she explained how obsessed she was with the colors in the picture bible and how annoyed when somebody does that wrong.
Hey, I remember that dress. When it first showed up in 2015 I was in high school and I found the whole affair just slightly frustrating and a little confusing. It was a trivial matter that somehow dominated the collective conversation, while cutting my community into two groups incapable of seeing the world the same way as the other, and gnawing at the idea of an identifiable objective truth.
Now it is 2024 and I kind of miss the dress, that damn’d black omen (or is it blue, white?).
If you’re happy and you know it, it’s a sin *tsk, tsk*
If you’re happy and you know it, it’s a sin *tsk, tsk*
If you’re happy and you know it, then the devil must have sown it,
If you’re happy and you know it, burn in h3ll! *tsk, tsk*
yeah, and he would NOT have worn a robe and sandals.
In 1st century Galilea, commoners lived just above sustenance level and could only ever afford but one set of clothes; if Jesus was a carpenter, a loose robe and sandals AND a blue sash of all colors (blue dye was extremely expensive back then) would have been not only an unaffordable luxury but a very dangerous occupational hazard at the very least XD
True, but historical art depicting him uses a lot of blue, just like for Mary. There was a period where you would commission religious art based on the amount of Lapis Lazuli you would need, so the most expensive dye was reserved for the holiest figures. It was a kind of conspicuous consumption.
If you want to see _REAL_ conspicuous consumption in art using Lapis Lazuli, check out the _Très Riches Heures of Jean Duc de Berry_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%A8s_Riches_Heures_du_Duc_de_Berry). Not only is there crushed lapis in the numerous full-page illuminations, it’s also in the smaller ones and in the initials.
Jordan is the one closest in age to Joyce and Jocelyne graduated recently enough she still has friends who attend the school. So unless he ran away as a minor it can’t have been THAT long since Joyce has seen him. Though, she doesn’t seem to know much about him. It doesn’t sound like he keeps in touch with his parents, but Hank said even though they don’t agree much, Jordan is still a good kid and he said Joyce standing up to her parents about Dorothy and her family reminds him of Jordan.
And now we know he likes to draw and might also be autistic. If so I could see how he became estranged by his parents ‘squeezing too hard’ per Hank.
It’s a little iffy because of the wording here but by describing herself as the middle sibling here, it makes me think that the order is John, Jocelyne, Jordan, and Joyce. Hence why of the three “brothers”, she is the middle. Since Jocelyne has graduated college by this point, if we assume she has a bachelor’s and is therefore like… 24, 25, maybe 26 at the most, it does make me wonder what the age gap between Jordan and Joyce is.
There was one where Joyce was in her wonder woman costume and Joce took the two trick or treating. Jordan was older than Joyce but younger than Jocelyn
That’d be incredibly sad and would explain why Joyce apparently doesn’t know what Jordan does and was told she’d find out when she’s older. With the family being so religious, though, I get the feeling that they’d never institutionalize a family member. Surely whatever is causing Jordan’s upset could be healed with prayer, after all!
A.: Green, with gold-tassel fringe. Just like my sister’s Girl Scout sash when I was a kid. I always wanted one, but got kicked out of the Brownies for “trouble with authority figures” … x-}
I don’t have a sash, but I’d go for purple, shot through with green. Although I guess if it’s a hypothetical sash anyway, I can just say I’d want it to be octarine.
I have had a sash. No; I have had multiple sashes.
First, when I was running a series of Klingon-themed parties, where I wore rose gold when everyone else had regular gold. The difference was because I was in command at the time.
(This is not Star Trek canon we just made it up. When I wasn’t running the party, someone else got the rose gold.)
Second, metallic green with black line undertones, when I was performing on stage as a supervillain turned musician. It was part of my supersuit and paired with a bronze quarter-cape. It was, frankly, pretty fucking stunning if I might say so myself.
Since I studied Japanese quite a bit this year I’ve become fascinated by the ways people can use to identify, not just themselves but others. So it got me thinking, if DOA was translated into Japanese, what little language traits would pop up?
So here’s a tier list of what Honorifics I think Japanese Joyce would use for everyone. If anyone is well versed in Japanese or just a huge weeb let me know your opinion on these. Joyce’s Honorifics List
definitely not well-versed in japanese or just a huge weeb. definitely neither.
i agree on most of this! i think at some point dorothy would become either -chan or lose an honorific altogether (using -san would make becky feel superior in her closeness). carla would want to be called senpai or maybe even -sama lmao
tan isn’t very common. From what I’ve heard it’s kind of an overly cutesy approximation of “chan” that’s not used much in colloquial speech. My idea with Becky is that Joyce has known her SO long that she might not use honorifics at all because they’re very close and honorifics might seem like an unnecessary pleasantry.
I fully agree in some contexts they’d skip it, but I think it’d be a little… too much out and about. Something would be there. I’m pretty sure.
(I mean I was so nervous about it when in Japan that I never dropped below chan ever but … -tan is cutesy, yes? But Japan fucking loves cute and I’m pretty sure I heard it in real life at least a couple of times.)
I just want to say that I love this thread and that (combined with getting power and internet back after a few days following a big windstorm and so being kinda starved for online communication) is why I’m going off so much about it. 😀
When it comes to Jordan it feels like he hasn’t been around Joyce that much to the point he was either a lot older than Joyce (like at least a decade) and never looked back when he was old enough to leave OR was out of the house before he was 18.
So if that was the case/the age difference is far less than ten years was he sent to live with like an Aunt/Uncle for some undisclosed reason? Did he get the Sal treatment and get sent to a boarding school? This small nugget makes me wonder if neurodivergence was a reason for him being out of the house which is…. Concerning. Technically me leaping to conclusions but still.
Did you include “of Nazareth” specifically so you wouldn’t have to worry about the annoying question of exactly what the possessive form of “Jesus” is? Because if so, that’s genius.
I’m assuming it’s because Joe is Jewish and isn’t going to call him Christ, but wants to push Joyce’s buttons.
And as a proper noun it would be just Jesus’, although Jesus’s is gaining acceptance. Technically it’s probably even more correct, since the “‘s” there is doing the same work as the apostrophe in “don’t”–representing a missing letter. It’s just that the possessive is a remnant of the old Old English genitive ending -es, which isn’t really used for anything _but_ the possessive anymore except for fossilized instances such as our pronouns in English.
I would have to go back and look at the manuscript/print switchover because a lot of what we use the apostrophe for was either for space-saving reasons or to converse particular letters when setting type.
Or perhaps it’s a secret easter egg, and we’ll learn that time-displased Yeshua also works at a toy store at some point. Probably around three or four strips before Dumbing of Age ends.
Me too Joyce. Me too. I mean not about sashes, but god help me I said with my own human mouth “Me talking for five straight minutes IS me Not Getting Into It”.
just waiting for the next page or so when that text back from Dotty comes crashing in and Joyce’s little brain implodes with bi thoughts. bi thots if you will. ~<3
I love this comic, but I have to admit…”It’s blue or I’ll fucking cut you” is the hardest I’ve laughed over the comic in a long time. Just so aggressively out of left field, I positively love it.
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the Jordan is coming from INSIDE THE JOYCE
“how did Joe know what question would rile up Joyce” When I dated someone who would Not Shut Up about cars, I once joked, “Hey look, it’s your *FAVOURITE* truck! CAB OVER ENGINE!”
Friend: “How do you know that?”
Me: “How do I NOT know that??”
He’s known her for a while, and it’s not like she’s shy about her bible opinions
Joe and Joyce sorted the child drawing her mom dropped by. Then she explained how obsessed she was with the colors in the picture bible and how annoyed when somebody does that wrong.
I like that Joyce uses swears freely now, but I can’t help but think that this would have been a perfect First F-Bomb.
It has to be the first time Jocelyne hears a swear from Joyce which is almost as funny.
Good to get some Jordan lore after all these years
Dumbing of Age Book 15: IT’S BLUE OR I’LL FUCKING CUT YOU
Hey, I remember that dress. When it first showed up in 2015 I was in high school and I found the whole affair just slightly frustrating and a little confusing. It was a trivial matter that somehow dominated the collective conversation, while cutting my community into two groups incapable of seeing the world the same way as the other, and gnawing at the idea of an identifiable objective truth.
Now it is 2024 and I kind of miss the dress, that damn’d black omen (or is it blue, white?).
Gold.
Thanks. That made me smile.
Saw a post on Bluesky the other week where someone found one in a charity shop somewhere
What color was it?
This one was blue and black
She’s a violent little girl.
Jordan’s a maniac confirmed.
But does he do it on the floor?
I like how Jocelyne isn’t even flinching at the swears
She did say “I swear now” and such and is happy enough that she accepted her as a sister
I wonder if Jordan also hates food touching so much just ordering a salad is difficult?
Oooh, I see what Jordan did to become so cutoff from his family.
He became a webcomic creator.
“if you’re happy and you know, it’s a SIN” XD
If you’re happy and you know it, it’s a sin *tsk, tsk*
If you’re happy and you know it, it’s a sin *tsk, tsk*
If you’re happy and you know it, then the devil must have sown it,
If you’re happy and you know it, burn in h3ll! *tsk, tsk*
you beat me to it
gj tho xD
Jordan is a webcomic porn lord confirmed?
Where’s the ding dong text ding? How is she going to get that horny smile in front of these two without the picture?
Perhaps Dorothy also has trouble sending photos to the correct recipient?
Jesus wore a sash? Like a prom queen?
In all seriousness, I doubt Jesus would have gone in for a sash, much less a richly dyed one.
I can’t speak to historical fashion trends, but he’s frequently depicted with one
yeah, and he would NOT have worn a robe and sandals.
In 1st century Galilea, commoners lived just above sustenance level and could only ever afford but one set of clothes; if Jesus was a carpenter, a loose robe and sandals AND a blue sash of all colors (blue dye was extremely expensive back then) would have been not only an unaffordable luxury but a very dangerous occupational hazard at the very least XD
Stone cutter. Joseph was the carpenter.
Yeah, and presumably he was raised to take on his stepfather’s trade
True, but historical art depicting him uses a lot of blue, just like for Mary. There was a period where you would commission religious art based on the amount of Lapis Lazuli you would need, so the most expensive dye was reserved for the holiest figures. It was a kind of conspicuous consumption.
If you want to see _REAL_ conspicuous consumption in art using Lapis Lazuli, check out the _Très Riches Heures of Jean Duc de Berry_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%A8s_Riches_Heures_du_Duc_de_Berry). Not only is there crushed lapis in the numerous full-page illuminations, it’s also in the smaller ones and in the initials.
Those looks from Joe, especially panel 4, dude is absolutely in love.
Yep, that’s the “I love my partner’s quirks and will now tweak them about it” look if I’ve ever seen it.
Is Jordan a preexisting character?
Have they been among us all along?
Jordan is the one closest in age to Joyce and Jocelyne graduated recently enough she still has friends who attend the school. So unless he ran away as a minor it can’t have been THAT long since Joyce has seen him. Though, she doesn’t seem to know much about him. It doesn’t sound like he keeps in touch with his parents, but Hank said even though they don’t agree much, Jordan is still a good kid and he said Joyce standing up to her parents about Dorothy and her family reminds him of Jordan.
And now we know he likes to draw and might also be autistic. If so I could see how he became estranged by his parents ‘squeezing too hard’ per Hank.
I had assumed Jordan was the second oldest? Was it mentioned in a Patreon strip that he was younger than Jocelyne?
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/undeclared/
It’s a little iffy because of the wording here but by describing herself as the middle sibling here, it makes me think that the order is John, Jocelyne, Jordan, and Joyce. Hence why of the three “brothers”, she is the middle. Since Jocelyne has graduated college by this point, if we assume she has a bachelor’s and is therefore like… 24, 25, maybe 26 at the most, it does make me wonder what the age gap between Jordan and Joyce is.
There was one where Joyce was in her wonder woman costume and Joce took the two trick or treating. Jordan was older than Joyce but younger than Jocelyn
I wonder if Jordan got institutionalized because he couldn’t handle… being.
That’d be incredibly sad and would explain why Joyce apparently doesn’t know what Jordan does and was told she’d find out when she’s older. With the family being so religious, though, I get the feeling that they’d never institutionalize a family member. Surely whatever is causing Jordan’s upset could be healed with prayer, after all!
I don’t think so, I don’t remember clearly but I think it was implied he is very estranged from the family and stays away
the sash is definitely purple btw
Oh it is cuttin’ time
If we’re getting Jordan lore, it might as well be thru bits and bobs. Or myths.
Weeks? How long til she gets on Willis’ level
I’ve been wondering this for a while, but… What the hell is that on Joe’s shirt? A fried egg that stole Jesus of Nazareth’s sash?
Holy shit i never payed attention to that what the hell is it
Canned ham.
I’m think sunset with a boat on it
Sylvan Lake T-Shirt?
Would anyone like to play a question game?
Q.: What color is YOUR sash?
(And if you don’t currently have a sash, what color WOULD your sash be?)
Bonus points: Why?
I can start.
A.: Green, with gold-tassel fringe. Just like my sister’s Girl Scout sash when I was a kid. I always wanted one, but got kicked out of the Brownies for “trouble with authority figures” … x-}
Sunglasses inside, a pack of Jolly Ranchers rolled up in your sleeve, crayola marker tats on your arms…
You got me! Exactly! 😅😆
I don’t have a sash, but I’d go for purple, shot through with green. Although I guess if it’s a hypothetical sash anyway, I can just say I’d want it to be octarine.
It’s been more than 50 years since I had a sash, but it was Boy Scout Green, and red before that.
I have had a sash. No; I have had multiple sashes.
First, when I was running a series of Klingon-themed parties, where I wore rose gold when everyone else had regular gold. The difference was because I was in command at the time.
(This is not Star Trek canon we just made it up. When I wasn’t running the party, someone else got the rose gold.)
Second, metallic green with black line undertones, when I was performing on stage as a supervillain turned musician. It was part of my supersuit and paired with a bronze quarter-cape. It was, frankly, pretty fucking stunning if I might say so myself.
I still have the supersuit. xD
WOW! 🤯
Totally normal.
Just like Jennifer.
Why is Jocelyne not shocked by her sister’s deft dropping of an F-bomb?
Joyce already informed her that she swears now.
Joyce it’s clearly white and gold
I’m definitely coming around to Team Joe now
Love Joe’s cocky ass smile in panel 4
Willis you forgot to tag Jordan
He’s right there in Panel 5, Jocelyne even says “there’s Jordan” and everything
Since I studied Japanese quite a bit this year I’ve become fascinated by the ways people can use to identify, not just themselves but others. So it got me thinking, if DOA was translated into Japanese, what little language traits would pop up?
So here’s a tier list of what Honorifics I think Japanese Joyce would use for everyone. If anyone is well versed in Japanese or just a huge weeb let me know your opinion on these.
Joyce’s Honorifics List
definitely not well-versed in japanese or just a huge weeb. definitely neither.
i agree on most of this! i think at some point dorothy would become either -chan or lose an honorific altogether (using -san would make becky feel superior in her closeness). carla would want to be called senpai or maybe even -sama lmao
Carla is defo sama
I could see Joyce calling Carla Senpai, especially after she gets the jugs. But Carla would constantly insist on Joyce calling her Sama.
This is exactly correct. Senpai after the jug boots, Carla expecting Sama from, well, you know. Everyone. xD
hm hm hm
no -tan?
Becky would’ve definitely been -tan first quarter.
And I’d be going “countdown to Dorothy-tan in 5… 4… 3…” all this time xD
Semester. Not quarter. IU is semesters. Right. Those things. You know.
I don’t mean when they’re alone or with very good friends but, you know, walking to class and stuff.
tan isn’t very common. From what I’ve heard it’s kind of an overly cutesy approximation of “chan” that’s not used much in colloquial speech. My idea with Becky is that Joyce has known her SO long that she might not use honorifics at all because they’re very close and honorifics might seem like an unnecessary pleasantry.
I fully agree in some contexts they’d skip it, but I think it’d be a little… too much out and about. Something would be there. I’m pretty sure.
(I mean I was so nervous about it when in Japan that I never dropped below chan ever but … -tan is cutesy, yes? But Japan fucking loves cute and I’m pretty sure I heard it in real life at least a couple of times.)
I like how Becky and Walky both get no honorifics for opposing reasons – Becky through complete familiarity, Walky through complete disdain.
the walky part is hilarious
bodyslam every time she says his name xD
Haha you nailed it!
Becky: I love you like a sister so we don’t need traditional honorifics
Walky: I don’t respect you.
I just want to say that I love this thread and that (combined with getting power and internet back after a few days following a big windstorm and so being kinda starved for online communication) is why I’m going off so much about it. 😀
No way she uses an honorific with Dorothy. Especially not after laundry but probably before that.
well
maybe -senpai
i mean
dorothy did teach her something xD
What’s the common honorific for a sister? I feel like Sarah would have that.
I feel like “swearing Joyce” needs it’s own tag
i half expect joyce to have her phone off all arc if not only notice dorothy’s pic at the very end of things/last strip of the story line
I’m just glad that Joyce was too busy being a fundie as a kid to end up on Amino in a fandom
Are we going to FINALLY get JORDAN LORE???
I hope so, Jocelyne wasn’t exactly a revelation to the audience, so … yeah, that’d be nice.
When it comes to Jordan it feels like he hasn’t been around Joyce that much to the point he was either a lot older than Joyce (like at least a decade) and never looked back when he was old enough to leave OR was out of the house before he was 18.
So if that was the case/the age difference is far less than ten years was he sent to live with like an Aunt/Uncle for some undisclosed reason? Did he get the Sal treatment and get sent to a boarding school? This small nugget makes me wonder if neurodivergence was a reason for him being out of the house which is…. Concerning. Technically me leaping to conclusions but still.
Did you include “of Nazareth” specifically so you wouldn’t have to worry about the annoying question of exactly what the possessive form of “Jesus” is? Because if so, that’s genius.
I’m assuming it’s because Joe is Jewish and isn’t going to call him Christ, but wants to push Joyce’s buttons.
And as a proper noun it would be just Jesus’, although Jesus’s is gaining acceptance. Technically it’s probably even more correct, since the “‘s” there is doing the same work as the apostrophe in “don’t”–representing a missing letter. It’s just that the possessive is a remnant of the old Old English genitive ending -es, which isn’t really used for anything _but_ the possessive anymore except for fossilized instances such as our pronouns in English.
I would have to go back and look at the manuscript/print switchover because a lot of what we use the apostrophe for was either for space-saving reasons or to converse particular letters when setting type.
Or perhaps it’s a secret easter egg, and we’ll learn that time-displased Yeshua also works at a toy store at some point. Probably around three or four strips before Dumbing of Age ends.
Me too Joyce. Me too. I mean not about sashes, but god help me I said with my own human mouth “Me talking for five straight minutes IS me Not Getting Into It”.
about video game yakuza men
Jocelyne: Oh you swear now. Cool.
Previous Jordan mentions (only doing 2 links, to avoid auto-moderation)
https://www.dumbingofage.com/undeclared/
https://www.dumbingofage.com/squeezing-2/
/laws/
/trickortreating/
/cablenews/
And May 2019 patreon bonus strip (link on /seeyou/)
just waiting for the next page or so when that text back from Dotty comes crashing in and Joyce’s little brain implodes with bi thoughts. bi thots if you will. ~<3
I thought it was purple.
Jesus h christ inna blue sash, Jocelyne has the same ugg boot style as Joyce.
I love this comic, but I have to admit…”It’s blue or I’ll fucking cut you” is the hardest I’ve laughed over the comic in a long time. Just so aggressively out of left field, I positively love it.
I’m so interested in Jordan coming back up.
Robin and Joyce have a shared love of the picture bible sash.