Jacob sure, but enough girls have been turned off by Joe’s reputation, including Sarah who we know likes tall guys specifically, that I think there’s something similar in Roz and Joyce that sees past that. I don’t think Roz would be open to even a casually sexual relationship with Joe if she saw him as just a misogynistic fuck boy. I think she takes more care than that.
Maybe I didn’t articulate that well. I think it’s more than they just like big buff guys. My takeaway from that was supposed to be that Roz and Joyce have more in common than it seems.
And also, that yeah (I do agree) – Roz wouldn’t have let her near her, not even for how easily he agreed to make the #Film, if he didn’t clear at least some standards on what matters to her the most.
We all know how awful the Do List was and the consequences it brought but Joe was always vocal about consent and not judging people for what they got off to. I wonder if his commitment to being an Ethical Slut ™ made Roz go “ok so the bar is subterranean but maybe he can learn. There’s within him a kernel of invincible decency.”
That was also when a known rapist was slinking around campus so Joe was in the hot seat for circulating his do-list that was essentially a predator cheat sheet.
I think you’re on to something but I don’t know what. Roz seems on the surface to be average-lust, zero-romance, but her actual standards are a mystery to me. What does she value in a partner, beyond the obvious?
Roz approaches her sex life the same way she does most of the rest of her activities and identity: an unapologetic statement of her view of feminist sociopolitical equity. As such, she makes the deliberate choice to engage in casual “flings” with a range of partners, deliberately avoiding emotional attachments or any sort of committed, monogamous relationship. By extension, her standards for an acceptable partner don’t altogether ignore personality, but it is de-emphasized compared to “more typical” women, because she doesn’t intend to form any sort of deep attachments to them. Thus, Joe is acceptable because he’s conventionally attractive, not a total asshole (at least on purpose), and was also fine with a “no strings attached” dynamic.
Eventually, Elon Musk (SUPER GENIUS) will admit defeat and sell Twitter/X for whatever he can get and someone else will try and undo the damage he’s done.
The most hilarious thing to me is that it’s still twitter under the hood. If you inspect the code, everything internally is still twitter.com, because it would have cost millions to go through and update everything, and he fired anyone who was capable of it anyway.
I feel Joe has other questions beyond Roz’s expertise. Honestly Roz would be my first chocie but then again I honestly can’t say anyone else would be useful. Except for Fuckface but I doubt Joe speaks Draconic
I feel like Roz would be the person to have the healthiest relationships. She seems extremely open and unashamed. The only conflict I can think of is that Mary is her roommate. That might be a lot to have to deal with.
I’m not sure if Roz has had relationships, just relations.
(Not saying this is because of her proclivities, just that we’ve not seen her with anyone in an actual dating context and in fact her only partner that we’ve seen has been Joe.)
Okay, Roz has useful information and correct opinions about a lot of things. But given the use of Danny as a camera-stand for The Film, I’m gonna say that her position on consent is not as healthy as a lot of folks (including her) would assume.
Let me be clear: I have no judgement about The Film itself. But involving someone who is unconscious in your sex play, even in such a tangential role, is rude as hell. For one thing, a great many folks, seeing the video and realizing whose foot that was, would assume that Danny was aware of the goings on and observing. Creating that impression in other people’s minds without Danny’s consent was a shitty thing to do. I really wish someone would throw that fact in her smug face already, but I have doubts about it happening, because Roz has the Immunity from Consequence card.
Heat of the moment and all that, but given she was the one to offer to film it, I have always assumed she would have been the one to tie the camera.
I wouldn’t read too much into it though, as I see the camera placement more as a gag than something I should interpret regarding any of the characters…
Because this is a comic, I feel like a good gag can justify the character doing something out of character, and not suffering any consequence for those out of character stuff which is here only to provide a good laugh.
I accept this line of reasoning for comics and stories that operate on this principle generally. If, OTOH, you expect me to care, for instance, about a character being slipped alcohol in order to take advantage of her, then you need to maintain that tone and awareness consistently.
As an example of what I’m getting at, this comic is taking a much more realistic approach to the issue of violence, in general, than its predecessor did. That’s cool. Even the ‘comic’ violence, like Mike punching Joe, is handled differently. This is a good thing, because it means that when violence occurs, it produces the desired reaction in the reader.
Someone calling out Roz, and forcing her to acknowledge her actions, would be a way to move forward. But without it, attempts to have her seem like a source of insight just fall flat for me.
I can’t recall if Roz has been in an actual long-term relationship to offer solid advice but then again there really isn’t anyone in the cast that I can think of other the Becky,Dina and Fuckface and the former two are to close to situation and later while Joe doesn’t speak draconic.
If Mary doesn’t wanna see somebody fuck, she can simply exit the scene and go play Time Crisis 3 at the local laundromat.
(For those who don’t know, a laundromat is a building you can go to that has a lot of laundry washing/drying machines. You put some money in, load it with your laundry, and then you sit around and wait for it to be done. Usually there’s a vending machine for food and drinks, sometimes a claw machine or video arcade cabinet. Since the laundry machines typically take quarters ($0.25 coins), you can also usually find some capsule dispensers with little toys and such in them, for any kids who may have been dragged there.)
Your local laundromat is clearly nicer than mine. No vending machines, no arcade cabinets, no capsule dispensers.
There IS a fairly nice Quick-Service Food and Beverage location next door, and the owner (of the laundromat) is understanding of people bringing food in. Just don’t get any on the machines.
“The film” is a reference to sex tape that Roz and Joe made at the beginning of the first semester, and then posted online (with Joe’s consent, but not Danny’s, but I won’t dig further into that rant here). I don’t remember if it’s been outright stated that Joyce watched the film, or just heavily implied, but it’s solidly suggested that she’s seen all of what Joe has to bring to the table.
Concerned that Mary is gonna show up and decide to try to spin things to cause trouble. Would love to see that backfire, though, if Mary was like, “So Joyce, I saw Joe, with his penis, was with Roz today.” “Yes, Mary, he told me he went to ask her something. His penis is attached to him, so it goes wherever he goes.”
And I do think this is a consent-related question, which Roz probably is more of an expert on than anyone in Joe’s immediate circle. At least without having to go to their gender studies teacher or involve Dorothy in their sex life any more than she already is.
Plus, Dorothy at least has the ground level ‘dislike of Joe as a concept’ and ‘Joyce is a child who must be protected from all things’ going against him. It would be impossible to have a real conversation with Dorothy about sex with Joyce or Joyce’s actual consent vs. expressed consent because her automatic position is much too close to I KNEW YOU WERE JUST USING JOYCE YOU F-ING CREEP.
lol maybe she’s used to similar company if not seeking it out more specifically to get under mary’s skin b/c idk if she can ‘report’ roz as long as she doesn’t record it with anyone else
Timing could be an issue. While Mary couldn’t reasonably insist that Roz be celibate, having an overnight guest could very well be grounds for Mary to file a complaint.
Hm… for that matter, we know that Roz has an OnlyFans page…. If she’s doing further performances from her room, that could very well lead to trouble with the Dean.
As a long reader of romance mangas, this has SO much potential for catastrophic misunderstandings considering they banged, the recording is out there and Joyce expressed interest in it.
She did, in the shower. It didn’t go well. Roz has repeatedly demonstrated that she’s someone Joyce can’t go to for vulnerable questions, and in total fairness, Joyce has also demonstrated that she’s someone who can’t go to Roz for vulnerable questions.
I feel like this was entirely set up so that after he gets some advice and leaves the room, Ruth or someone else will see Joe leaving it and tell Joyce that Joe is cheating. It’s to set up a drama reaction.
Her most recent tweet was cogent, she has some scruples: A reminder to my fellow conservatives…
It is intellectually dishonest to cheer for Brittany Mahomes’ support for Donald Trump and then a week later blast Taylor Swift for endorsing Kamala Harris.
They can do, like, and endorse whomever they choose. It’s petty and unhelpful to pile on Taylor Swift.
This is barely even a negative reaction. But the reason I think this is because people like Roz vy after their positions of minor respect (“sexpert”) and then use those positions to defend freak men they like having sex with. There is like, not a documented real-world case of this not happening.
Because you can’t document a case of something not happening, bud.
You sound like you have an axe to grind and like this comment of yours has absolutely nothing to do with the comic (where Roz has never once on-screen defended “freak men”) so I wish you the best of luck grinding it alone.
It actually didn’t come out for another real-world month (so day or two in-comic) that he had a literal do-list and not a figurative one he brought up to be gross about women when it suited him.
So we don’t know how she reacted to the reality, but the idea of it didn’t make her happy, yeah.
I also had WTF first, but after thinking about it, asking Roz for advice makes sense
1. she is joe’s female counterpart so she will be able to understand his problem
2. she probably doesn’t see him as a sex monster, so he can still talk to her
3. she is a distant friend of Joyce’s, so he can talk to her about Joyce discreetly and without bias
Consider the alternative, if all the mean or bad people were deliberately drawn to look ugly or unappealing and all the people the narrative wanted to present as good and right were also super-hot. Kinda tasteless, right?
For all people talk about the Nazi stuff on there, I only seem to see it in the ads. Granted, that’s still a “good” 20% of every post, versus the previous 1-5%.
Ask someone else! Ask someone else! For the love of everything holy, Joe, ask someone else!
That said, I will concede there are not many people willing to talk to you and have the time for it who will give you decent advice. I also don’t think Roz is one of those.
I don’t know, asking the sex expert who also knows about Joyce’s trauma things like ‘my recovering fundie girlfriend is angling for sex and i don’t know if she’s ready or if I’m ready or OH MY GOD WHAT DO’ seems like a solid call to me.
At the very least, Roz is likely to provide advice as if both Joe and Joyce are adults with full agency, as opposed to the ‘Joe, you’re an evil rapist pervert, you need to stop pretending otherwise and leave poor pure Joyce alone’ he’d get from just about anyone else.
I think he wants to ask sex/consent-related questions, though. And Roz is extremely equipped for those, as well as being in the know about Joyce’s trauma.
Something I found out today while poking around – Joe Rosenthal is the name of the guy who took the photograph Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima. Just thought that was neat!
Roz is literally the best person for Joe to talk to about sex-related questions IMO and I am here for it. Particularly since Roz knows to take Joyce-trauma into account.
Don’t Give Yourself Away (Friday): Calc probably starts around 10, and it probably takes about 10 minutes to walk there. When Joyce calls Joe for help with Carol, he’s in class.
Turning Saints into the Sea (Wednesday): Joe met up with Joyce and Dorothy after Calc to go to lunch.
Love Dares you to Change (Wednesday): Joe was not in class from approximately 9:45-10:15.
If his class starts at 11, then Joyce would have been with Carol for over an hour before panic time. Plus an 11-noon class would mess up the timing for his Turning Saints lunch, unless they got out lots early.
So his class probably starts at 10:30. Either his class is a lot closer to Read than Calc, or he came all the way back to ask Roz this in like 5-10 minutes of spare time, maybe without knowing if she’d even be there.
College classes, in my experience, often do no start on the hour or half hour. Look at course selection for IU shows that it’s similar in the start times to what I’m familiar with– 10:20am start times are common, while 10am is not. So it is likely that Calc starts at 10:20am.
There ARE some classes that only meet one day a week, so it’s possible that Joe only has that class he was in on Fridays. It’s possible that it also has a different schedule from MWF, like MF, or ThF, though those are less common both in my experience and in what I’m seeing online for IU.
When I think more about it, there were some on the hour/half hour start times that were fairly common. Like I had a few classes that started at 3pm (and often ended at 4:20pm), and I think I had an 8am class– which was the earliest class I ever had, and it was my last semester of undergrad… I originally was in a different section of the course, but I disliked it enough to decide an 8am was better. Only slept through it once.
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Roz and Joyce have the same taste in men and I don’t think that’s explored enough.
Is it really that much of a big thing when their tastes lean towards ‘big, built, conventionally attractive’?
Like if you don’t take personality into account it would not be a big shock hearing people are into Joe and Jacob.
Jacob sure, but enough girls have been turned off by Joe’s reputation, including Sarah who we know likes tall guys specifically, that I think there’s something similar in Roz and Joyce that sees past that. I don’t think Roz would be open to even a casually sexual relationship with Joe if she saw him as just a misogynistic fuck boy. I think she takes more care than that.
It’s why I said if you don’t take personality into account.
Based purely on looks, Joe would fit into what a fair amount of the population might consider attractive.
Maybe I didn’t articulate that well. I think it’s more than they just like big buff guys. My takeaway from that was supposed to be that Roz and Joyce have more in common than it seems.
And also, that yeah (I do agree) – Roz wouldn’t have let her near her, not even for how easily he agreed to make the #Film, if he didn’t clear at least some standards on what matters to her the most.
We all know how awful the Do List was and the consequences it brought but Joe was always vocal about consent and not judging people for what they got off to. I wonder if his commitment to being an Ethical Slut ™ made Roz go “ok so the bar is subterranean but maybe he can learn. There’s within him a kernel of invincible decency.”
There was that moment when Leslie got Roz to take over the class and Joe brought up the ratings things, with those magnificent silent panels of “Jesus. I let this guy stick it in me.” https://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-7/03-the-thing-i-was-before/upgrade/
I’m assuming that the donut apologies erased a lot.
Mostly unrelatedly, I just realized we don’t know how Joe rated Mary on that list.
To be fair, only one of the panels was “oh, dear Lord, what have I done?” The others were a moral quandary of a more political nature.
That was also when a known rapist was slinking around campus so Joe was in the hot seat for circulating his do-list that was essentially a predator cheat sheet.
There was a strip where Mary was in a good moment and I think Agatha went ‘maybe she saw her rating!’ so that implies it was a good one.
I dunno. In this world full of short kings, does anyone still like tall, dark, and handsome? Other than other dudes?
Yes. But then when you’re 5’2″ everyone is tall.
Yep. Plenty of people do.
…This is sarcasm, no?
I think you’re on to something but I don’t know what. Roz seems on the surface to be average-lust, zero-romance, but her actual standards are a mystery to me. What does she value in a partner, beyond the obvious?
Maybe we’re about to find out.
Roz approaches her sex life the same way she does most of the rest of her activities and identity: an unapologetic statement of her view of feminist sociopolitical equity. As such, she makes the deliberate choice to engage in casual “flings” with a range of partners, deliberately avoiding emotional attachments or any sort of committed, monogamous relationship. By extension, her standards for an acceptable partner don’t altogether ignore personality, but it is de-emphasized compared to “more typical” women, because she doesn’t intend to form any sort of deep attachments to them. Thus, Joe is acceptable because he’s conventionally attractive, not a total asshole (at least on purpose), and was also fine with a “no strings attached” dynamic.
We don’t know that Roz is attracted to Joe’s “type”, it could just be that she needed an itch scratched, and Joe was willing and available.
she was also attracted to jacob
And Beef.
What is the alt text refering to? I do not get
People think it’s sexytimes, so they click on it quickly b/c sexytimes.
But what twitter link?
When the comic comes out, Willis posts a link to it on their Twitter. It is accompanied by the strip title, which in this case is “Top You.”
Oh, right. Twitter still exists, doesn’t it.
Kind of, technically?
At this rate they should just rename it to Nope.
cuz when ya look at what’s trending, you be like, NOPE.
Eventually, Elon Musk (SUPER GENIUS) will admit defeat and sell Twitter/X for whatever he can get and someone else will try and undo the damage he’s done.
The most hilarious thing to me is that it’s still twitter under the hood. If you inspect the code, everything internally is still twitter.com, because it would have cost millions to go through and update everything, and he fired anyone who was capable of it anyway.
And the pix are still all at twimg.com, and so on and so forth.
As its own shambling, reanimated corpse, maybe.
somebody print it to me, pls, I’m brazilian (not complainning, of course; fuck Elon)
I guess this is the problem with a big buffer? (Blue sky!)
feels like it’s been a while since Roz showed up.
Last appearance was in July. Last speaking moment was in may.
so one or two days.
Wait, is Joe going to Roz for relationship advice? I mean, I guess she is the sexpert.
I feel Joe has other questions beyond Roz’s expertise. Honestly Roz would be my first chocie but then again I honestly can’t say anyone else would be useful. Except for Fuckface but I doubt Joe speaks Draconic
It was suppose to say sexpertise!
Sadly, no edit option here.
I feel like Roz would be the person to have the healthiest relationships. She seems extremely open and unashamed. The only conflict I can think of is that Mary is her roommate. That might be a lot to have to deal with.
I’m not sure if Roz has had relationships, just relations.
(Not saying this is because of her proclivities, just that we’ve not seen her with anyone in an actual dating context and in fact her only partner that we’ve seen has been Joe.)
I think he wants less advice on relationships and more advice on consent. He stayed sober last night to protect Joyce and it backfired.
Did it actually backfire?
Like in 80% of situations he did the right thing. The two of them just need to communicate more.
Which is some of the best advice Roz can give here. What she will say on the other hand, we shall see.
Okay, Roz has useful information and correct opinions about a lot of things. But given the use of Danny as a camera-stand for The Film, I’m gonna say that her position on consent is not as healthy as a lot of folks (including her) would assume.
Let me be clear: I have no judgement about The Film itself. But involving someone who is unconscious in your sex play, even in such a tangential role, is rude as hell. For one thing, a great many folks, seeing the video and realizing whose foot that was, would assume that Danny was aware of the goings on and observing. Creating that impression in other people’s minds without Danny’s consent was a shitty thing to do. I really wish someone would throw that fact in her smug face already, but I have doubts about it happening, because Roz has the Immunity from Consequence card.
Does she actually know Joe tied the camera to Danny’s toe?
(What I don’t get is how this didn’t wake Danny up, actually.)
I mean, she was there. It’s unlikely she wouldn’t have seen.
Heat of the moment and all that, but given she was the one to offer to film it, I have always assumed she would have been the one to tie the camera.
I wouldn’t read too much into it though, as I see the camera placement more as a gag than something I should interpret regarding any of the characters…
Because this is a comic, I feel like a good gag can justify the character doing something out of character, and not suffering any consequence for those out of character stuff which is here only to provide a good laugh.
Yeah you get it, wish more people understood that.
I accept this line of reasoning for comics and stories that operate on this principle generally. If, OTOH, you expect me to care, for instance, about a character being slipped alcohol in order to take advantage of her, then you need to maintain that tone and awareness consistently.
As an example of what I’m getting at, this comic is taking a much more realistic approach to the issue of violence, in general, than its predecessor did. That’s cool. Even the ‘comic’ violence, like Mike punching Joe, is handled differently. This is a good thing, because it means that when violence occurs, it produces the desired reaction in the reader.
Someone calling out Roz, and forcing her to acknowledge her actions, would be a way to move forward. But without it, attempts to have her seem like a source of insight just fall flat for me.
I can’t recall if Roz has been in an actual long-term relationship to offer solid advice but then again there really isn’t anyone in the cast that I can think of other the Becky,Dina and Fuckface and the former two are to close to situation and later while Joe doesn’t speak draconic.
There’s Danny.
There are others in the cast with decently long relationships at this point but Joe isn’t really close to most of them.
But that would involve having a VULNERABLE talk with his Best Friend!!
If Mary doesn’t wanna see somebody fuck, she can simply exit the scene and go play Time Crisis 3 at the local laundromat.
(For those who don’t know, a laundromat is a building you can go to that has a lot of laundry washing/drying machines. You put some money in, load it with your laundry, and then you sit around and wait for it to be done. Usually there’s a vending machine for food and drinks, sometimes a claw machine or video arcade cabinet. Since the laundry machines typically take quarters ($0.25 coins), you can also usually find some capsule dispensers with little toys and such in them, for any kids who may have been dragged there.)
Your local laundromat is clearly nicer than mine. No vending machines, no arcade cabinets, no capsule dispensers.
There IS a fairly nice Quick-Service Food and Beverage location next door, and the owner (of the laundromat) is understanding of people bringing food in. Just don’t get any on the machines.
Oh, my local one doesn’t have the games or toys either. It’s got a massage chair and some magazines, but that’s it.
Roz strikes me as an allosexual and aromantic person.
it’d probably be better to ask roz versus like becky i’d assume
He’s probably looking for consent-related perspective, especially after last night’s party.
Oh this is going to be amazing to watch.
How it’s working out is Joyce doesn’t have the film bookmarked, but she does have the URL memorized.
What does that mean
“The film” is a reference to sex tape that Roz and Joe made at the beginning of the first semester, and then posted online (with Joe’s consent, but not Danny’s, but I won’t dig further into that rant here). I don’t remember if it’s been outright stated that Joyce watched the film, or just heavily implied, but it’s solidly suggested that she’s seen all of what Joe has to bring to the table.
Joyce in her loft, staring at The Film on her laptop and then slamming it shut, closed out a chapter as I recall.
“Joyce in her loft, staring at The Film on her laptop and then slamming it shut”… I read that in ST:TNG style of “Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra”. 😀
Concerned that Mary is gonna show up and decide to try to spin things to cause trouble. Would love to see that backfire, though, if Mary was like, “So Joyce, I saw Joe, with his penis, was with Roz today.” “Yes, Mary, he told me he went to ask her something. His penis is attached to him, so it goes wherever he goes.”
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not the person I would talk to, really.
it might be too personal to talk to with anyone else in their friend group, maybe danny but at some point joe is gonna need to talk to joyce directly
Imagine the nuke that’d go off if he tried discussing it with dorothy lol
Honestly, outside of Joyce, I don’t think Joe has many female friends(? Is that what you would call them?) To ask for girl advice(tm) from
And I do think this is a consent-related question, which Roz probably is more of an expert on than anyone in Joe’s immediate circle. At least without having to go to their gender studies teacher or involve Dorothy in their sex life any more than she already is.
Plus, Dorothy at least has the ground level ‘dislike of Joe as a concept’ and ‘Joyce is a child who must be protected from all things’ going against him. It would be impossible to have a real conversation with Dorothy about sex with Joyce or Joyce’s actual consent vs. expressed consent because her automatic position is much too close to I KNEW YOU WERE JUST USING JOYCE YOU F-ING CREEP.
There he goes again, a man invading a female space!
Ew, don’t repeat Mary. That’s literally what she wants.
Even Joyce can see through her single entendres.
50/50 odds that Mary’s either in that room with Roz or about to turn up.
Nah, he turned down the offer.
Oh yes. Yesssss.
I love how Roz just casually regards Joe as a trick or treater that knocked on her door.
“Wait is the sex the treat or the trick?”
“Yes.”
lol maybe she’s used to similar company if not seeking it out more specifically to get under mary’s skin b/c idk if she can ‘report’ roz as long as she doesn’t record it with anyone else
Timing could be an issue. While Mary couldn’t reasonably insist that Roz be celibate, having an overnight guest could very well be grounds for Mary to file a complaint.
Hm… for that matter, we know that Roz has an OnlyFans page…. If she’s doing further performances from her room, that could very well lead to trouble with the Dean.
Mary is also in a position to not piss off the floor any further. The fact that they didn’t move her is astounding
When has Mary ever been reasonable?
Or prudent?
Okay this is an interesting angle….
That’s what she said!
unexpectedly good joe/roz interaction.
Something about Roz and Joyce feels oddly similar. Physically, I mean.
Unrelatedly, I could hear her “wow” and it was amazing.
The “wow” of “how the hell did I fumble this fuckbuddy situation this badly?”
I hadn’t seen that before, but, yeah, now that I reread it with your pov, I see it now.
Assuming he’ll ask her how to respect Joyce’s autonomy/wants/needs while also not ruining her forever with his penis.
Cannon now Joe’s penis is called “The Forever Ruiner”.
Damn, I’ve been calling it Randy Newman this entire time.
Joe failing to get it up because he’s too nervous: NEWMANNN!!!
“you gotta friend in me…”
Mama told me not to come.
Huh. Yeah Roz is actually a good person to talk to about this stuff. (Sex, issues of consent).
Not until she sincerely apologizes to Danny, she isn’t (consent, specifically).
In general sure, but for Joe specifically, this is probably a bad move.
In what way?/gen
If Joyce ever found out it would probably not go well
idk why, she asked Roz about it already.
Yeah but Joe slept with Roz, very publicly. I would be amazed if Joyce didn’t get jealous.
Weird, I wouldn’t expect her to. We’ll see!
As a long reader of romance mangas, this has SO much potential for catastrophic misunderstandings considering they banged, the recording is out there and Joyce expressed interest in it.
Joyce canonically watched it.
I’m a little bit surprised Joyce hasn’t asked Roz any questions yet. (maybe still gettin’ over the last of her old shame?)
She did, in the shower. It didn’t go well. Roz has repeatedly demonstrated that she’s someone Joyce can’t go to for vulnerable questions, and in total fairness, Joyce has also demonstrated that she’s someone who can’t go to Roz for vulnerable questions.
I feel like this was entirely set up so that after he gets some advice and leaves the room, Ruth or someone else will see Joe leaving it and tell Joyce that Joe is cheating. It’s to set up a drama reaction.
nah, feels like too cheap drama, I think our lord torturer D.Y. Willis is better than that.
But is she good on relationship questions?
I’m surprised Ros would let Joe back into her bed after the Do List.
Please, I’m sure Roz was his first defender.
IDK why you’d think this, but canonically this was her response to him talking about it: https://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-7/03-the-thing-i-was-before/upgrade/
Had to google Tomi Lahren. Thank Gawd she faded away.
Her most recent tweet was cogent, she has some scruples:
A reminder to my fellow conservatives…
It is intellectually dishonest to cheer for Brittany Mahomes’ support for Donald Trump and then a week later blast Taylor Swift for endorsing Kamala Harris.
They can do, like, and endorse whomever they choose. It’s petty and unhelpful to pile on Taylor Swift.
This is barely even a negative reaction. But the reason I think this is because people like Roz vy after their positions of minor respect (“sexpert”) and then use those positions to defend freak men they like having sex with. There is like, not a documented real-world case of this not happening.
Okay, but do you have a documented real-world case of the other thing not happening?
Because you can’t document a case of something not happening, bud.
You sound like you have an axe to grind and like this comment of yours has absolutely nothing to do with the comic (where Roz has never once on-screen defended “freak men”) so I wish you the best of luck grinding it alone.
Bruno it’s one of those commenters I have mentally noted as “Most likely not worth reading”.
“Don’t rate women Joe.”
She wasn’t happy about it, but I guess after the apology donuts and longer terms signs he’d been trying to change she may have come around.
It actually didn’t come out for another real-world month (so day or two in-comic) that he had a literal do-list and not a figurative one he brought up to be gross about women when it suited him.
So we don’t know how she reacted to the reality, but the idea of it didn’t make her happy, yeah.
Pretty sure there was a comment somewhere about her not hooking up with him anymore, but I’m not even sure where to look for it.
Oddly, this visit doesn’t seem like the kind of surprise of “Hey, you haven’t come around in a couple months”.
I feel like that too, but I couldn’t find it.
“I come to you seeking counsel in my time of need”
I’m not on twitter, and indeed I didn’t read the strip title before the alt text, but I still feel called out here.
Roz is saying “Wow” because she’s picturing Joyce naked.
So say we all.
I thought it was more expressing surprise at Joyce continuing to accept Joe (the long-time rater of women’s attractiveness).
No, it’s definitely the naked thing.
You sure you wanna ask ROZ about long term relationship advice ?
“everyone else just avoid me since the List”
okay fair
Well it fall on her (s)expertise after all.
I also had WTF first, but after thinking about it, asking Roz for advice makes sense
1. she is joe’s female counterpart so she will be able to understand his problem
2. she probably doesn’t see him as a sex monster, so he can still talk to her
3. she is a distant friend of Joyce’s, so he can talk to her about Joyce discreetly and without bias
isn’t Roz from a conservative family as well? While turning away from that. so maybe he wants to ask her about Joyce’s hang ups in regards to that.
Why all mean or bad people are so hot in
real lifeDoA?Consider the alternative, if all the mean or bad people were deliberately drawn to look ugly or unappealing and all the people the narrative wanted to present as good and right were also super-hot. Kinda tasteless, right?
And boring, have a hottie commit atrocities and watch horny people try to make up excuses for them XD
Which is sadly what a lot of media do.
Meh. Don’t really consider Roz particularly mean or bad.
Nothing wrong with being sexually free and experimental. She’s a bit crass and blunt at times, but I wouldn’t call that “bad” either.
Yeah, it’s a weird take to consider Roz “mean or bad” tbh. I hope they explain, because right now it looks a little sketch.
She’s not “bad” but kinda acidic and confrontational, I think. There’s a lotta that going around in DOA
Being hot gives you a lot of permission in life. It also makes you cynical.
Being hot didn’t make me cynical.
I, on the other hand, get extremely negative without air conditioning.
I can almost hear Roz thinking, “um, can I possibly think of a pairing I would consider less likely?”
Carla and Mary. :O
Joyce and Becky considered it likely.
No, I raced through the Bluesky link to read this comic, since I no longer use tge Nazi Bar formerly known as Twitter.
For all people talk about the Nazi stuff on there, I only seem to see it in the ads. Granted, that’s still a “good” 20% of every post, versus the previous 1-5%.
Ask someone else! Ask someone else! For the love of everything holy, Joe, ask someone else!
That said, I will concede there are not many people willing to talk to you and have the time for it who will give you decent advice. I also don’t think Roz is one of those.
Gawd, you’re so right. The list of “almost anyone else” who’d be better is pretty long, too, over on the girls’ wing.
It’s genuinely cute that Joe knows so little of the situation he occupies that he’d tell Roz “I have questions!” Baby steps.
I don’t know, asking the sex expert who also knows about Joyce’s trauma things like ‘my recovering fundie girlfriend is angling for sex and i don’t know if she’s ready or if I’m ready or OH MY GOD WHAT DO’ seems like a solid call to me.
At the very least, Roz is likely to provide advice as if both Joe and Joyce are adults with full agency, as opposed to the ‘Joe, you’re an evil rapist pervert, you need to stop pretending otherwise and leave poor pure Joyce alone’ he’d get from just about anyone else.
We don’t even know for sure what the questions are, it’s probably fine.
Not entirely sure Roz is the most apt to answer questions about long-term relationships.
I think he wants to ask sex/consent-related questions, though. And Roz is extremely equipped for those, as well as being in the know about Joyce’s trauma.
I was gonna make some sort of joke, but this makes a lot more sense. And I forget that Roz doesn’t always suck. Thank you for reminding me!
Something I found out today while poking around – Joe Rosenthal is the name of the guy who took the photograph Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima. Just thought that was neat!
Oh hey that’s really cool!
Ooo, thanks!
Joke’s on you, Alt-Text: I’ve never used Twitter! Ha!
Roz is literally the best person for Joe to talk to about sex-related questions IMO and I am here for it. Particularly since Roz knows to take Joyce-trauma into account.
Don’t Give Yourself Away (Friday): Calc probably starts around 10, and it probably takes about 10 minutes to walk there. When Joyce calls Joe for help with Carol, he’s in class.
Turning Saints into the Sea (Wednesday): Joe met up with Joyce and Dorothy after Calc to go to lunch.
Love Dares you to Change (Wednesday): Joe was not in class from approximately 9:45-10:15.
If his class starts at 11, then Joyce would have been with Carol for over an hour before panic time. Plus an 11-noon class would mess up the timing for his Turning Saints lunch, unless they got out lots early.
So his class probably starts at 10:30. Either his class is a lot closer to Read than Calc, or he came all the way back to ask Roz this in like 5-10 minutes of spare time, maybe without knowing if she’d even be there.
College classes, in my experience, often do no start on the hour or half hour. Look at course selection for IU shows that it’s similar in the start times to what I’m familiar with– 10:20am start times are common, while 10am is not. So it is likely that Calc starts at 10:20am.
There ARE some classes that only meet one day a week, so it’s possible that Joe only has that class he was in on Fridays. It’s possible that it also has a different schedule from MWF, like MF, or ThF, though those are less common both in my experience and in what I’m seeing online for IU.
Heh, it seemed like all of my math classes started at 07:30.
When I think more about it, there were some on the hour/half hour start times that were fairly common. Like I had a few classes that started at 3pm (and often ended at 4:20pm), and I think I had an 8am class– which was the earliest class I ever had, and it was my last semester of undergrad… I originally was in a different section of the course, but I disliked it enough to decide an 8am was better. Only slept through it once.
Alt text: I must confess that I do like the idea of self-improvement, and am interested in how I can become my top me.
….
…. what?
I just saw a DoA panel (specifically, the last panel of this strip: https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/01-if-the-shoes-split/manhood/) used in the comments of a Facebook post. Of course, it was also described as “a webcomic from like ten thousand years ago,” but
I mean, over a decade is definitely ten thousand years ago.
navel~
You can do it, Joe! You’ll solve Joyce in due time!