Well AFAICR the book came out late-60s and the movie came out in 1977 the year after I graduated HS, and that was the kind of book you would never see in a school library when it came out. And still wouldn’t in TX or FL because sex.
Also is that Pedro from Boy’s Life magazine? I haven’t seen that magazine since the mid-1970s but that looks like their burro mascot.
i mean, as long as it’s not some specific open secret kinda message that’s unintentional like how flowers have all kinds of meaning (tho it would be hilariously petty to send someone a bouquet with a meaning of “you suck” XD)
(that said i wouldn’t be surrpised if sarah’s semi-stalked jacob to the point of her knowing what he likes or at least seen him eating the same thing at least one time)
I clicked an hour ago and am just now reemerging, this is fascinating.
I think the main takeaway from this article is that the “language of flowers” is a Romantic/Victorian construct relying largely on Orientalist fantasies. Also, and that’s probably the point of the table, that there is no consistent key, with many flowers being assigned wildly different meanings.
It is true that “Carnation, yellow” seems to be unanimously read to mean “You Suck”, but that’s probably because the trendsetter, Charlotte de la Tour, made that decision, and later writers were happy to copy-paste
Well, that is how standards are created: someone decides “it’s this not that.” If accepted by others, then everybody is on the same page and thus communication is possible.
I do wish the Language of Flowers was better-standardized. There are times when I would like to really “say it with flowers”(tm) but it’s too easy to be catastrophically misunderstood.
Yeah, the author found no evidence of this so-called “language of flowers” being used as anything but a “parlour game” in Europe and the US. Teasingly, he only reports of the supposed turkish tradition through dubious orientalist sources that suggests not only flowers but a range of objects may have been used among literate harem women as mnemonics for conveying verses– not based on any allegorical meaning of the flowers and objects themselves but by associating verses rhyming with the object’s name in Turkish– to conduct covert lesbian affairs among themselves. Is this just more orientalist distortion? Quite possibly.
But it’s interesting that the more mainstream European interpretation was prompt to straightwash this report into imagining the women using flowers to convey messages to servant boys or serenading suitors they were trying to seduce.
I’m pretty sure if you give someone a bouquet of spider lilies that’s a death threat or something like it. At the very least saying you never wanna see them again
…Huh, I guess the kidnapping arc was pretty much the only major interaction between these two before now, wasn’t it? Hadn’t really thought about it before.
Even in the old continuity! Sarah was an early Roomies! character, Ethan debuted in Shortpacked! years after she last appeared. She briefly appeared in one panel in a series of vignettes during the Shortpacked! finale, but Ethan was in a different one so they wouldn’t have interacted.
I can imagine it being a cute secret coded message between friends/couples tho it would be awkward if it had a reverse effect like after a breakup everytime you see someone have like a snickers to be turned on XD
lol at least one candy bar would be fine. I can imagine some ppl being indecisive and buying one of those multipacks with diff small containers but in college i prolly wouldn’t have the impulse control to not eat all of it in one sitting unless ishared half with a roommate/friends
Almond Joy is about 75% coconut and 10% almond, anyway. (The balance is evenly split between “joy”, and whatever concoction passes for chocolate in mass-market candy these days.)
the subtext here almoat certainly being “Hershey’s chocolate is weak and in-feri-or” to things like Swiss chocolate (the nation is known for it continent-wide), actual dark chocolate, etc.
Haha I wonder what her plan was for conversation with Jacob, I doubt it has anything to do with that candy bar. Nice to see her trying to reach out, taking a risk.
It kills me that for a moment Ethan looks kind of concerned— And then he realizes what Sarah’s version of opening up entails, and he’s like “wow, you’re a disaster 😐 😐 :|”
Maybe they could bond about having trouble being Real People now though.
I know Ethan still has horrific existential depression but c’mon even he knows Sarah speaking in full sentences with a greeting and a gift is a huge step up for her.
First, she and Ethan need a little heart-to-heart about coping with their shared traumatic experience. Then cue Joyce and Dorothy at the ideal moment after the conversation drifts to self-sabotage.
I almost said something disgustingly off-color about a man’s man with facial hair, and the…ahm…sensations that he might be seeking to impart on his fellow man with such an affectation.
Judging by the design it’s either a Crunch Bar or a 3 musketeers either way c teir and b teir candy bars Sarah?, I mean I don’t know if Jacob is allergic to peanuts if so she should have givdn Hershey bar or Skittles or Hershey white chocolate!
“I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT!! IT’S ALL A CONSPIRACY!!! YOU’RE ALL COLLUDING, CONSPIRING, TOGETHER TO TRICK ME INTO BECOMING A BETTER PERSON!! WELL IT WON’T WORK, DO YOU HEAR ME?! NEVERRRRRRRRRRRR”*runs off into the distance*
Jacob: “…”
Lucy: “…”
Jacob(whispering): “…How the hell did she KNOW?!”
Lucy: “We’ll have to break out the big guns. Prepare the memory-wiping device.”
It has been far too long since we have seen Riley in a comic here, 2016 to be precise and 2013 the time before. We need another Dina/Riley comic with Becky thrown in for good measure since she and Dina are a thing now. Everybody eating cereal because cereal is the perfect food.
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“I’m paying him back… it’s a 100 Grand“
“Let him know he can come find me if he wants these Mounds.”
Oh I read it as a Crunch bar, because she want’s to scrunch him. But also fuck Nestlé.
Yeah, she’s probably given up on getting his Mr. Big.
Hey, sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don’t.
Come on – no Mr. Goodbar reference?
Apparently we’re all too far away from Junior high/middle school…
There is no such distance as “too far from Jr. High.”
Well AFAICR the book came out late-60s and the movie came out in 1977 the year after I graduated HS, and that was the kind of book you would never see in a school library when it came out. And still wouldn’t in TX or FL because sex.
Also is that Pedro from Boy’s Life magazine? I haven’t seen that magazine since the mid-1970s but that looks like their burro mascot.
Tell him I’m ready for that Marathon.
Hoping cupid shoots an Aero into his heart.
^This is a great start. But now, as an American, it’s only keened my appetite for more British candy puns.
She’s trying to show him she’s not a Zero (yes that’s a candybar. Think snickers but instead almond and white fudge.)
but inside he’s a Lion
Heehee. Now I realize you can start inventing Brit candy bar names and would totally fool me.
Sarah, we’re all proud of you. We all know how big of a step this is.
We just all expected it to be a bit bigger, and a full size candy bar.
lol a bouquet and a heartfelt card might be a bit too strong/much for sarah rn
tho wonder if asher’s in ethan’s bed still b/c awkward if so
“Just me” sounds like that’s exactly where Asher is.
Just wait until we find out it’s actually leftover candy bar from Halloween…
Hey, a step forward is a step forward no matter how small.
Not so small, that’s a full-size Almond Joy bar!
She’s trying
Hey! You’re not you when you’re hungry! Sarah’s just saying she wants to know the real, not hungry, Jacob.
His expression in the second to last panel is killing me even more than the candy bar. Even Ethan is kind of astonished at her social ineptitude.
And Ethan knows Amber! And himself!
“Long time no basement” HELLO?
Yeah, I’m not sure what that reference was, there.
The last time they talked to each other was probably when they were kidnapped together :’DD
Blaine’s basement.
Blainesment.
When I was in college, all the washers and dryers for clothes were in the basement of the dorm, which is where my mind went.
But the kidnapping thing also wrks…
Got it. Thanks for all the replies!
I was thinking maybe Ethan was referring to the workout room in the basement.
I’m not sure, is he answering Sarah’s question on where Jacob is or what..
It’s something!
Exactly, who would deny a candy bar?
Someone with chocolate allergies?
and certain ingredients…..oops
The wrapper suggests Almond Joy to me.
Have we ever seen Jacob eat, or avoid, almonds?
He hasn’t shown an allergy to joy, so that part should be fine.
Sarah, on the other hand, has. So yeah, she should probably be giving this candy bar to Jacob.
We haven’t seen Jacob eat anything at all. Him and food haven’t even been in the same strip before.
He fantasized about pizza that one time.
Jacob has eaten at least an apple.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-4/01-the-only-dope-for-me-is-you/brb/
On account of the vampirism.
i mean, as long as it’s not some specific open secret kinda message that’s unintentional like how flowers have all kinds of meaning (tho it would be hilariously petty to send someone a bouquet with a meaning of “you suck” XD)
(that said i wouldn’t be surrpised if sarah’s semi-stalked jacob to the point of her knowing what he likes or at least seen him eating the same thing at least one time)
Are there bouquets that mean “you suck”? I want one 🙁
Table 2 https://www.rhs.org.uk/about-the-rhs/pdfs/publications/lindley-library-occasional-papers/volume-ten.pdf
check out Carnation, Yellow.
I clicked an hour ago and am just now reemerging, this is fascinating.
I think the main takeaway from this article is that the “language of flowers” is a Romantic/Victorian construct relying largely on Orientalist fantasies. Also, and that’s probably the point of the table, that there is no consistent key, with many flowers being assigned wildly different meanings.
It is true that “Carnation, yellow” seems to be unanimously read to mean “You Suck”, but that’s probably because the trendsetter, Charlotte de la Tour, made that decision, and later writers were happy to copy-paste
Well, that is how standards are created: someone decides “it’s this not that.” If accepted by others, then everybody is on the same page and thus communication is possible.
I do wish the Language of Flowers was better-standardized. There are times when I would like to really “say it with flowers”(tm) but it’s too easy to be catastrophically misunderstood.
Yeah, the author found no evidence of this so-called “language of flowers” being used as anything but a “parlour game” in Europe and the US. Teasingly, he only reports of the supposed turkish tradition through dubious orientalist sources that suggests not only flowers but a range of objects may have been used among literate harem women as mnemonics for conveying verses– not based on any allegorical meaning of the flowers and objects themselves but by associating verses rhyming with the object’s name in Turkish– to conduct covert lesbian affairs among themselves. Is this just more orientalist distortion? Quite possibly.
But it’s interesting that the more mainstream European interpretation was prompt to straightwash this report into imagining the women using flowers to convey messages to servant boys or serenading suitors they were trying to seduce.
“Say it with flowers. Send a cactus.”
I’m pretty sure if you give someone a bouquet of spider lilies that’s a death threat or something like it. At the very least saying you never wanna see them again
The fact that is actually true is kind of sad.
…Huh, I guess the kidnapping arc was pretty much the only major interaction between these two before now, wasn’t it? Hadn’t really thought about it before.
Even in the old continuity! Sarah was an early Roomies! character, Ethan debuted in Shortpacked! years after she last appeared. She briefly appeared in one panel in a series of vignettes during the Shortpacked! finale, but Ethan was in a different one so they wouldn’t have interacted.
https://www.shortpacked.com/comic/fault-2
Not the only, but the most recent. They had a number of interactions back when Joyce was dating Ethan.
Well, that candy bar is of great value to Sarah, so, fine.
She wanted to throw it at his head.
So she’s serious about him then?
…. Candy.
Translation: “Can I has D?”
I can imagine it being a cute secret coded message between friends/couples tho it would be awkward if it had a reverse effect like after a breakup everytime you see someone have like a snickers to be turned on XD
After how mean Sarah was to Lucy, it will be satisfying to see her eating humble pie.
Well, big for YOU.
But not everyone is trying to cut down on sugar intake Sarah. :p
lol at least one candy bar would be fine. I can imagine some ppl being indecisive and buying one of those multipacks with diff small containers but in college i prolly wouldn’t have the impulse control to not eat all of it in one sitting unless ishared half with a roommate/friends
Almond Joy is about 75% coconut and 10% almond, anyway. (The balance is evenly split between “joy”, and whatever concoction passes for chocolate in mass-market candy these days.)
passes for chocolate?
I mean, not everyone has access to whatever you count as real chocolate. Almond joys pretty damn good, but I more a Cadbury Cream Egg girl myself. :9
I also do like me some dark chocolate occasionally, I hear it’s supposed to be good for the brain, essential while coding all night.
the subtext here almoat certainly being “Hershey’s chocolate is weak and in-feri-or” to things like Swiss chocolate (the nation is known for it continent-wide), actual dark chocolate, etc.
An attempt has been made
hopefully its not got anything in it he’s allergic to
Haha I wonder what her plan was for conversation with Jacob, I doubt it has anything to do with that candy bar. Nice to see her trying to reach out, taking a risk.
Cue Jacob showing up arm-in-arm with Lucy in 5… 4… 3…
And laughing! About something that Sarah wouldn’t know or care anything about.
Please, stop giving ideas to Devil.
*Willis.
Sarah, nobody gives a shit about your dumbass emotional constipation. I wanna see Jugs and Not-Jugs buy beer and rum illegally.
Ansinthe bar. Get some green fairy for Dorothy’s green eyed monster.
It kills me that for a moment Ethan looks kind of concerned— And then he realizes what Sarah’s version of opening up entails, and he’s like “wow, you’re a disaster 😐 😐 :|”
Maybe they could bond about having trouble being Real People now though.
“We’re sorry, the Blue Fairy is currently putting makeup onto Dorothy, your estimated hold time is: TWENTY minutes”
Sarah is experiencing delayed middle school. I can sorta sympathize. I was probably at least that socially inept at 20.
Same.
Introversion and being rejected by your peers at a young age are a dangerous combo.
I think it’s been on repeat since she was actually in middle school.
That’s really nice of him to do so actually. Nailing his trauma seems to be working
Hey, starting off with saying hi and offering chocolate is a pretty good start on opening up for Sarah.
I know Ethan still has horrific existential depression but c’mon even he knows Sarah speaking in full sentences with a greeting and a gift is a huge step up for her.
Ethan speaking in full sentences instead of shutting the door is pretty good for him, too.
Cue Sarah being horrified as Joyce comes down the hall all sexy-ified.
First, she and Ethan need a little heart-to-heart about coping with their shared traumatic experience. Then cue Joyce and Dorothy at the ideal moment after the conversation drifts to self-sabotage.
For some reason, my brain keeps insisting that Ethan has grown a scraggly goatee, despite my eyes repeatedly informing it that he hasn’t.
I feel like he would if he could.
I almost said something disgustingly off-color about a man’s man with facial hair, and the…ahm…sensations that he might be seeking to impart on his fellow man with such an affectation.
Remember, Ethan, people grow at different rates.
so did Ethan and Asher fuck?
Yes.
Huh, based on the colours, my guess is that’s a Nestle Crunch bar.
Could be a baby ruth
Definitely Crunch
Either way c teir candy bar, honestly Hershey Bar, I’d say snickers or peanut mms or Hershey white Choclate, but Jacob could be allergic to peanuts.
Man, Ethan’s sass
Idk about you guys but I would gladly accept the candy bar.
The candy bar is an offer of friendship. I would be happy with it!
Well the way to the heart, famously, is through the stomach.
Really? I thought for sure it was between the third and fourth left ribs. No wonder I did so poorly in anatomy class.
Dina, holding a raptor claw.
Yes, totally just Ethan and definitely not also Jennifer’s boyfriend.
She doesn’t have a boyfriend.
Jennifer’s ex.
“The fleshmaker” amirite?
Judging by the design it’s either a Crunch Bar or a 3 musketeers either way c teir and b teir candy bars Sarah?, I mean I don’t know if Jacob is allergic to peanuts if so she should have givdn Hershey bar or Skittles or Hershey white chocolate!
Crunch bar top tier, but it’s shaped wrong. Could be a payday, bottom tier unless it’s chocolatey payday, but the wrapper’s different.
Probably a fictional candy bar made by Nachito-Bray’s.
Crunch is made by Nestle which should actually put it at f teir really
Mentos (well, Foo-tos, actually) only applies if Dave Grohl is at the door
…the FRESHfightahhh!
Can’t wait for the day Sarah see Jacob and Lucy hanging out together. Her reaction could be very interesting.
“I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT!! IT’S ALL A CONSPIRACY!!! YOU’RE ALL COLLUDING, CONSPIRING, TOGETHER TO TRICK ME INTO BECOMING A BETTER PERSON!! WELL IT WON’T WORK, DO YOU HEAR ME?! NEVERRRRRRRRRRRR”*runs off into the distance*
Jacob: “…”
Lucy: “…”
Jacob(whispering): “…How the hell did she KNOW?!”
Lucy: “We’ll have to break out the big guns. Prepare the memory-wiping device.”
The important thing is she’s trying.
It has been far too long since we have seen Riley in a comic here, 2016 to be precise and 2013 the time before. We need another Dina/Riley comic with Becky thrown in for good measure since she and Dina are a thing now. Everybody eating cereal because cereal is the perfect food.