lol well other than not being into any sports or traditional ‘cool’ hobbies, i don’t think he’s ever had to worry about his dad thinking he was lame, or telling him he was too old for cartoons/comics/etc
tho other than the initial temptation/curiosity always thought it was odd for pop culture/society/etc for teen drinking to be considered cool. otehr than cheap beer which is terrible anyways and forcing yourself to enjoy the taste, i feel like most ppl would quit after their first hangover unless their reason for drinking/getting drunk outweighs the terribleness of a hangover but who knows, maybe walky getting drunk and ending up with a breakup with lucy would be better in the long run (tho prolly would be best to have a proper conversation and amicably break up but i don’t think it’d work that way)
Do we know enough of Charles to assess what he considers cool, especially in his collegiate age son? He strikes me as the kind who may have outgrown / checked out of the herd coolness scene awhile ago.
I’ve never had a hangover. However, I do get chronic migraines and have back and shoulder issues.
When I’m feeling cruddy I don’t often want to drink but there’s at least one party I went to with some friends that we had to stay over at a hotel for when I was 20. I’d barely eaten the previous day because the ouch was sapping my appetite, drank merrily – and woke up the next morning feeling great because the ouch had receded significantly. It took me a little while to twig why the friends were being so quiet and eating like it was a duty, when I was happily devouring my breakfast and chattering away.
I always make sure I drink water before going to bed (I hate feeling dehydrated) but yeah… I often think I should drink more… It also makes me better at some games (like Perudo and Double) sometimes!
Never understood why people like beer; it is very bitter. When I drink/drank I enjoyed most non-beer alcohols. Sake, rum, and mead are my favorites. Though I also like margaritas and Mike’s.
I couldn’t imagine how people like any alcohol, honestly. It all tastes basically the same: Like the smell of Nail Polish Remover, turned into a flavor. Possibly with some other notes almost completely buried under that bit of vileness.
I wouldn’t call it bitter exactly, so much as just generally vile.
People always try to convince me I just haven’t found the right mix of things for me yet. I assure them all I am willing to try one sip of anything, but I’m not going to drink a glass of something that’s just yucky. Mike’s Hard Lemonade is tolerable, but regular lemonade is both tastier and cheaper, so I’ve never seen a reason to switch. At some point in my late 20s, people gave up trying. That might also be because I married a pastor in my mid 20s. Now they assume I’m not allowed to drink or something. It’s usually easier not to correct them.
I haven’t had much occasion to try alcohol, but when I do, I always thought, well, juice tastes better than THAT and is cheaper and I don’t have to designate a driver afterwards
these days, diet says I can only have water anyway, so yay for that I suppose
I’m told coffee, which I don’t drink, is also bitter, and most people apparently like that. Fwiw, not all beers are bitter, and many (including most mega brew) is barely bitter.
Well, it can have bitter notes, but the bitterness shouldn’t dominate. Some people do seem to like that, though. I love coffee. But I don’t like it when it’s overly bitter. Starbucks’ coffee, for example, is suuuuuper bitter. Interestingly, a really good and cheap coffee is McDonalds. It has a strong coffee flavor without being bitter. Also, when you see people dumping tons of sugar and cream into their coffee, it’s usually because they’re trying to kill that bitter taste, or they just don’t like coffee but haven’t admitted that to themselves.
If I remember what I was told correctly, McDonald’s bought the coffee recipe from Tim Hortons, giving McD’s the good tasting coffee and leaving Tim’s to switch to a worse recipe. I had several Canadians grumble to me about that even though I don’t drink coffee. Not sure when that happened though.
I really feel like society pushes you to be caffeine addicts as I find it hard to put in all the hours for work and at home without caffeine (biology undergrad was pretty brutal with that too, and combined with dorm living where people didn’t respect quiet hours). I know that when I was working at a greenhouse in my late teens/early 20s (hot, physical work), I would basically crash when I got home. It was hard to even muster the energy to eat and take a shower, and I didn’t have to cook it at that point or have a long drive back from work. Just seems like something is wrong with society if the majority have to be drugged (caffeine) to be competitive.
I guess you havent had a truly good beer? In the US the big beer makers only make beers to get you bu?zed even then hey have low ABVs Budwiser, Coors,Miller Blue Ribon or the worst of the worst Natural Ics are alswill, even the imports like Labbat isn’t great.
lHonestly with the microbrew revolution there are so many beers tailored to specific tastes if you like fruit there are Fruit flavored beers milkshake flavored beers, beers that taste like margaritas. I’d it exists there is a micro brew for that. Also European Beer specfically some Czech and Bavarian beers are works of art.
Point is I like beer sometimes I make my own and go out the way to find the best beer, I like watching g the bubbles I like the fizz the floral, fruity, citrus-like, piney or resinous American-variety hop of IPA, the rich, complex, bready maltiness Czech pilsner, fhe crsip lower bitterness and malt of a golden lager, it’s a social dri k a drink that makes me happy after a long day of work it let’s me rela, I love beer beacuse we wouldn’t have civilization without it.( well really fermented beverages)
Maybe I’ll try a different beer one day. I’m technically not supposed to drink due to my psych meds, but I drink a few times a year. My birthday, Christmas, new years, and Saint Patrick’s Day.
Yeah I don’t drink in excess beacuse of meds and I don’t drink a beer until the end of the day when qnd usually at most a pint which is still not recommended also they type of beer i like costs money so if I’m going to have it better be something Iike.
It’s really not a lot, unless you’re very sensitive to alcohol (which I am, so I get it). A pint is about 1.5 one standard drinks. It’s comparable to a glass and a half of wine or a ~2 oz pour of liquor. For a lot of people, that isn’t even enough alcohol to make them consciously feel any different.
A pint isn’t alot its and also the abv of a beer is far lower then a wine an liquor like even my favorite 2x IPA is like 8.5% compared to a glass of wine at 12.5% or 1.5 oz of whiskey or otber liquor which usually range from 20%-40% sometimes even higher.
Can’t be worse than my grandma would would drink half a can of beer a day and save the other half in the open can in the fridge for the next day. I find myself that I tend to normally only be able to handle little bits of alcohol before the flavor becomes nothing but bitterness for me. Very few don’t do that, even ones that people say aren’t bitter at all. I think my tastebuds are just weird. My mom had the worse possible experience when she first had alcohol, as it was a daiquiri with an alcohol had from juniper, which she is allergic to. Turned her off alcohol all together.
There is genetic variation in our taste buds. Some people find that phenylthiocarbamide is intensely bitter, while others can’t taste it at all. Dark green vegetables taste like medicine to some people, and others like them just fine. My wife complains at levels of spice that are “really? there’s pepper in this?” to me.
I have no idea how to make a daiquiri, but I think alcohol flavored with juniper was probably gin.
Which shouldn’t be in a daiquiri. Basic daiquiri is just rum, lime juice and sugar water.
There are plenty of variations though, usually adding some kind of fruit flavor, but mixing in some gin isn’t out of the question.
It was at someone’s house, not a bar or restaurant, so I can’t say that they were following exact instructions on what goes in what. It could just be that gin was all they had at the time.
My wife complains at levels of spice that are “really? there’s pepper in this?” to me.
That has nothing to do with taste buds. It’s the pain receptors. They also react to capsaicin and a few other such things, not just to physical injuries.
Maybe try a Belgian White Ale next time you have the inclination. They are generally smooth, rarely bitter at all, and typically have slight citrusy notes.
They’re not even too hard to find, as Blue Moon is owned by Miller/Coors these days, ensuring pretty widespread availability. It’s a pretty reasonable example of the type, too.
My disability has effectively limited my beer intake to less than one per month, but those are pretty much all I drink when I do.
God, I despise the way that IPAs have just completely engulfed the craft beer market in America these days. And the bitterness has become the whole point, too, as they lean into the whole dick-waving machismo angle with names like CROTCHSMASHER SUPER-HOP DEATHZONE and the like
I was going to say exactly this. It’s an anti-Renaissance in the industry. There are literally hundreds of styles our there and all anyone wants to make is some sort of pine sap tasting imperial with a choice of hazy, juicy, and dank as adjectives.
An IPA is meant to be hoppy, because in the days before refrigeration that was how you got an ale to survive the trip to India.
What it doesn’t have to be is the same three hops every single time. You can branch out, brewers! Try something new! You’re doing micro-brew IPAs for the quick turnaround anyway, why not live a little with the flavours?
Miller Blue Ribbon? I believe you have merged two different beers. Miller makes a bunch of different beers, although Miller Lite is their best seller (and a halfway decent pilsner actually, from what I remember–I quit drinking 17 years ago). Blue Ribbon is made by Pabst. It’s pretty bad.
Beer comes in a whole range of bitterness. Bitter beers (specifically IPAs) have been popular for a little while now for a few reasons. 1) people can like bitter beer, just like they can like coffee, pumpernickel, kale, or bitter melon. It’s a matter of preference. 2) people want to look cool and fit in. 3) the same reason mass produced pilsners are served ice cold: to mask mediocre flavors.
I like bitter beer, but I like variety more.
1. a convenient and acceptable source of alcohol.
2. just like coffee gives a pleasant feeling, over time the bitter taste is associated with a positive feeling
3. a bit of a mix of point 1 and 2, it’s easier to get it when you’re young, so there was time to get used to it, plus you have nice memories with beer
4. Bitter, just like spicy, you can like or dislike it, it’s a matter of experimenting with its level
Some people are super tasters and react strongly to bitterness and some are non-tasters and don’t taste much of anything, it’s a genetic thing anyway. There are certain beers to this day, particularly a lot of IPA’s that I won’t drink because they are too bitter, but that leaves quite a few beers with better flavors. Generally speaking paler colored alcohols tend to be less bitter (but there are some exceptions here).
When I was young I deployed to Germany in the army and when I came back I realized how mediocre the most popular brands like Budweiser/Coors etc tend to be in comparison to the better beers out there.
I feel like European food/drink quality tends to ruin your opinion on American brands. I still remember the bread that I had in France, and just nothing really compares in the US or Canada, especially not at the price I can afford.
i don’t mind strawberry margs but i’d rather it be made for me than like a flavored bottle from the store, but coffee was also an acquired taste, tho other than liked bottled starbucks i guess i prefer the strwaberry frappes that tastes more like milkshake than a coffee lol
Sometimes I enjoy beer when it’s not bitter and you get sweeter, malty flavours. Guinness when you’re in the right mood can almost he creamy, with no sickliness. Other ones can be almost but not quite fruity.
But usually my preference is fruity. My husband will very occasionally see and pick up a bottle of cherry lambrini for me – alcoholic cherryade!! But some fruit ciders can be a bit too sickly for me to drink much of 🤷🏻♀️
I like it favored. Like sorrel red stripe is my favorite thing to drink at Christmas. And I like some of the Seagram’s flavors. I kind of like the bitter fermented flavor of alcohol when its mixed with sweet flavor, for the same reason I like dark chocolate and iced coffee and raw sweet bread dough
I still don’t LIKE Charles due to the Sal stuff, but I will admit he is definitely the “cool” parent who acknowledges eighteen-year-olds away from home are both capable of and willing to acquire alcohol.
“I’m not a normal dad, I’m a CoOL dad!” I think he’s trying too hard. He’s going to ask Wally to introduce him to sexy college girls next. Like that dad who moved into the girls dorms and pimped out the roommates.
I agree. Unlike Linda, it turns out Charles has a sense of humor. I think part of the reason for all the conflict between Linda and her daughter is Sal doesn’t have a sense of humor either.
it’s good that they don’t have to worry about walky getting involved with drugs (but y’never know with jennifer being in their friend group unless that kinda stuff was hidden/covered up [tho walky was joking about it like day one so i imagine they have a vague idea]) but sometimes it does seem like ppl are uptight about the age, not that i’d trust an 18 with beer , but 21 doesn’t seem that much diff, considering hte drinking age is 18 or even younger in some cases but other than a glass of wine that ‘pairs well’ with like a meal, i don’t think it’d be that fun then again i wasn’t much of a ‘party person’
If we lowered the drinking age in the us and raised the driving g age, it might give younger folk a chance to figure out what the stuff does to them before they get near a vehicle.
Or remove the forbidden temptation angle and teach them how to enjoy it safely and responsibly. There is some discussion about what it does to developing brains and when the safe age is for exposure to that (if I remember right, brains keep developing into early 20s). I do believe that it is legal for kids to have alcohol in their own house with the consent of parents, which would be the safest spot to learn limits. That runs into cultural issues in the US though.
Going to college in wisconsin, the law is as long as you are with your parents, you can drink/be served legally. So my 18 year old sister came out to the bars with my mom and me when I graduated college. Wisconsin also holds majority of spots on lists of cities with most binge drinking (think my college town was #2 on list I saw).
Even if it’s not safe to drink before a certain age, that doesn’t really factor in much if making it illegal doesn’t actually make kids drink less.
If making it illegal increases secret binge drinking, it might actually do more harm than good.
I didn’t, aside from the occasional sip offered by my parents, who aren’t big drinkers either. But it helped that the drinking age here is 18. I certainly drank (reasonably responsibly) when I was 18, 19 and 20.
i had a few sips here and there before i was 21, got tipsy a few times after i was 21, then decided the awful flavor and smell and tummy aches weren’t worth it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I drank Fireball with my brother and his friends when I was 19 or 20.
That’s the only time I remember drinking before 21.
But I’m middle aged and somewhat forgetful now, so I’m not sure.
When I was in college I looked so old that I never got carded. Even when I was just 17 and the drinking age was 21. Then when I got older I started getting senior citizen discounts without asking, which is slightly embarrassing when you’re not even 40 yet. Now that I am officially a Senior Citizen I get mad when I don’t get the discounts automatically, which only happens on the internet when they can’t see me.
I don’t remember when i had my first drink but i know it was well after i turned 21 because i hate when people make a fuss about me doing new things especially if its something ive been unwilling to do for a while.
What gets me more are the teens that post videos and pictures on social media of them drinking underage. I am not surprised that they are doing it, just that they would be so out front about it.
I live in the UK where the drinking age is 18 (and to be fair I’d say by age 15 maybe 50% of folks have gotten drunk at least once, so ya not necessarily wrong in that feeling Rassilon)
was teetotal for a mix of religious reasons & mental health reasons, now mainly just for mental health reasons
all of my flatmates in uni were absolute party animals (out clubbing til 4am 5 nights a week) (also alcoholics – they were straight up medically alcoholics :/ ) but they were very decent people & never peer pressured me into drinking. If there was alcohol they thought tasted particularly nice, they’d involve me by letting me sniff it (as though I was a curious housecat :’) =^-^= ) & I’d share my thoughts on how it smelled 😀
didn’t drink any alcohol until staying with my grandpa (who brewed very strong wine from his own grapes) and didn’t drink enough alcohol to get buzzed until I was 23 & in a scenario where I was with some folks who did make me feel a wee bit peer pressured. That wine didn’t taste at all nice, but the mouthfeel afterwards was very fruity & nice
will not be drinking alcohol again though 🙂 given it a go now – gonna stick with being teetotal
Lovely that the housemates both respected your boundaries and allowed you to be involved in something that gave them pleasure but on terms that worked for you ❤️
I’ve still never had an alcoholic drink. I have used alcohol in cooking– wine in fondue, making bread with beer– but that’s pretty much my only experience of buying alcohol as well. Just never was that interested. Current meds have alcohol cautions as well, but I don’t know how sensitive that is since it’s not a factor for me anyway.
I had my first drink the night *before* my 21st birthday, to be a “rebel,” but it was a very Joyce-style rebellion, because at the time, I was studying abroad in a country where the drinking age was 18.
I mean, how good can a beer be if you’re getting it from a college stadium (unless the logic is reverse and the beer is higher quality /because/ sports fan go hardcore supporting a fave brand on top of their teams)
Depends on the beer there are alot of different beers. If your talking about the swill that big American breweries like Miller Coors(owned by the same company) Anhiser-Busch(owned by a Belgian company) Blue Ribbon or that abomination called Natural Ice. Then yeah that beer is gross. But micro brew scene as a wide variety of beers tailored to specific tastes.
I never got drinking straight alcohol. I always have to mix it with something and that kind of ruins the taste to me. I guess you have to have the palette for drinking. Wine is okay, but even then I’d rather drink juice or cider. Drinkers and smokers are enigmas to me. I respect your choice in consumption but I do not understand it.
I drink mix drinks specifically because straight alcohol tastes like crap.
They can be kinda complicated like Long Island Ice Teas or they can be simple like Vodka and cranberry juice.
I once had moonshine called Apple Pie that tasted like apples.
And I’m particularly fond of mixing vodka into V8 Fusion or V8 Splash (though it’s been awhile so the brands might not exist in the same form anymore).
I’ve never been fond of any beer, but when I used to go to Drunk Ass Karaoke with my coworkers, I’d sometimes order a Corona with some Grenadine poured into it, and that was tasty enough to work.
My dad once told me to try a Zombie, but I never got around to it.
I was a big rum and coke and Jack and coke drinker in my eRly 20s. Now I just really like the taste of things on their own. It also helps me figure out how to mix them better, knowing what they will feel like and smell like and taste like at different temperatures and in different vessels.
I’m going to comment on alot of threads but it depends on the beer if your buying beer made by large scale brewing yeah generally those beers are unpleasant. But in the last 20 years the brewing scene has blown up and there are so many beers tailored to different tastes. Also maybe try sweeter Hard Cider you taste the Cider more then alchool. Also don’t drink on meds or to excess.
Everytime someone recommends me an alcoholic beverage I don’t like it. Probably cuz I hate the taste of alcohol. It’s like cough syrup. You can hand me a million flavors of cough syrup but it’s still gonna have the iconic cough syrup aftertaste.
Amen. My ex-wife used to bug with various drinks insisting that “you totally can’t taste the alcohol in this one!” then accusing me of lying when I nearly retched on whatever vile concoction she pushed on me.
I’ve got that issue with beer and wine and most other fermented alcohols, like ciders. There’s a specific taste that’s the same in all of them that I’m sensitive to, whatever the rest of the flavors in the drink.
Whatever it is, it goes away when you distill booze, so I’m perfectly happy with most hard alcohols, mixed or straight up.
Back in college, when I was figuring this out, people kept saying I just hadn’t tried good beer and I should try their favorite craft microbrew. Never worked. I could choke down the mass market stuff, because it was mostly water, but the closer to “real beer” it was, the less I liked it.
Now I describe beer and wine as “unfinished alcohol”.
Have you not had non alcoholic cider then? It is SO popular in New England in the fall, and its flavor is so much better than apple juice. You really can’t compare the two, it’s that different. I got peeved moving to Washington state since they sell “apple cider” here that is really more apple juice. The cider we got in New England could literally turn alcoholic or into vinegar if left too long.
There’s a fair amount of cider sold in Indiana too. There’s “fresh cider” (which has fine pulp in it and is cloudy), clear cider (aged a bit more but still non-alcoholic) and hard cider (alcoholic).
some fruity ‘girly’ cocktails might be alright but halfway through it’d prolly still taste mostly like alcohol, there was this choco-coffee liqueur i like at the bar but not worth it to make it myself, i can imagine having one drink tho if i was with a friend/offered to have it paid for
that said, i feel like the mom would be ok with walky having a sip but chastise sal for having some as well
Cocktails are nice. I like when alcohol cute the sweetness but some just mask the taste all together. For the longest time i could only drink Pepsi if it had a splash of rum bc that suits gross, way too sweet. Now i just use lemon juice
There is an enormous variety of types of beer. Most mega brew (industrial light lagers) are similar and have little flavor. But the rest cover such a range that it’s impossible to make any generalizations about what they taste like.
I’d add that alcohol in general isn’t bitter. Beer is varying degrees of bitter because of the hops (anti-bacterial, and to balance the sweetness of the malt, and to some degree to keep little kids from drinking it).
while adults have different sensitivities to the basic tastes, that’s not what I mean. Children, before their mid-teens, are more sensitive to sweet and bitter. I guess I don’t know how old you are though.
I’ve been keeping a life list of beers on my phone. Up to 218 different beers. Adding a local raspberry lager next. Sturgeon’s Law applies – 90% of everything is crap. If you know what you like (smooth, malty) and don’t (bitter, alcohol forward), there’s no shortage of choices. But drinking, beer or otherwise, is often not the best choice.
sometimes there can be wonderful (or just average) ppl with terrible partners, but it’s not someone’s place to say anything about it unless it’s an abusive situation, but even then ppl would either not care or double down on defending them
(tho i can imagine a close friend group jokingly telling each other ‘just divorce’ if they have a weekly wine and dine weekend with each other to complain about their spouses)
I think that’s over-extending the metaphor. In the police technique, both cops have the same goal and are playing parts. The cops tell each other everything.
Charles wants to have a good relationship with his kids, he has a different goal than Linda. But he fails, because he also has another goal, to manage Linda’s extreme behavior.
He can be likeable, and maybe even trustworthy to a point. He won’t tell her everything. But he will not have your back.
Have we seen Charles manage Linda’s behaviour? The closest I remember is Charles pointing out last night that walky was no longer failing but that and going to Sal afterwards is more about keeping his wife happy then keeping her behaviour managed. I
I suspect that Charles’ management of Linda’s bad behavior boils down to “don’t set her off.” He seems to spend more effort on patching things up when she’s out of earshot.
Charles seems to always assume that his wife knows best. Hence why he assumed Sal going off to boarding school was for the best–and that’s an argument with legs since it got her away from Linda.
i mean, i assume most parents would rather have their kids not be in jail, but if it was closer idk if it would’ve helped as much bc we don’t know how bad juvie is compared to a boarding school, i imagine sal wouldn’t have had any friends she’d stay in touch with from that, but she ended up alright despite that, but i imagine she won’t give the mom another chance even if she’s willing to talk to the dad still
I’m wondering if Charles was an athlete “cool kid” when he was in school, myself. Given stuff like the basketball mentions and the height reference the other day.
well, walky did say “every little boy thinks he’s going to be on the team” or so, idk if they’d have to be more athletic than others, i can see some kids who are on soccer teams say they wanna be in the world cup but don’t care anymore/part of a team by the time they’re at high school age
I’m getting the sense that he wants to live vicariously through his kids a bit, whether it’s because college was his glory days or because he was somewhat sheltered (or barred from certain activities on account of his race) and missed out on a lot of the debauchery he wanted to have
Put me down as another who doesn’t like the taste of alcohol or many bitter things, including beer. (Too much of a sweet tooth; I’d rather have fresh grape juice than wine.) I drink a couple of times a year when visiting family, usually stuff like fruit liqueurs, shots of rum, etc.
i’m the type of person that doesn’t like anything that is considered an ‘acquired taste’/you have to force yourself to like (idk if i’d even try a weed brownie, maybe one from a trusted friend but yeah), i imagine some ppl can try non alcoholic beer, i imagine some teens could feel tricked/wouldn’t know the diff tho idk how many ppl buy that outside of alcoholics quitting or so, but even kombucha seems nasty
I’d prolly try a wine made of my fave fruit but i wouldn’t necessarily wanna pay more “for the good stuff” lol
I don’t trust ‘acquired’ tastes. That just sounds to me like “this is disgusting, but I consumed enough of it to trick myself into thinking I like it.”
Or as I usually phrase it “Stockholm syndrome for your taste buds.”
A lot of that stuff does genuinely taste good to me, but it’s usually got an unexpected quality to it that I’m not prepared for, so I have to adjust to that quality to acquire the taste.
spicy food i guess was an ‘acquired’ taste? or tolerance buildup? tho outside of hot wings, most spicy foods i don’t go outta my way to eat b/c on a scale of 1-10, i can only handle like 3, maybe 4 on a good day even w/o any stomachache issues
I didn’t force myself to “acquire” a taste for spinach or parmesan cheese, two things I used to hate but now tolerate (but still don’t actively seek out). What happened was that my first exposure was to cheap/badly prepared dishes with those things, and later I happened to have them in food that was actually good.
lol yeah iv’e seen the memes of ‘this edible aint shit’ and they end up eating more than they should XD
i guess i just don’t like…fermentation? beer aside i also hate pickles tho i love cucumbers in sandwiches, dunno how much of an acquired taste in that b/c apparently some kids like pickles , or at least like/tolerate it enough as long as it’s in a burger, or something like kimchi which apparently is good for ur gut but yeah
I’ve had a dessert wine that tasted exactly like eating a piece of fruit, but it was a more expensive variety from Europe. In general, I am with you on preferring juice, though I do like tea (spicy ones like chai the most). I figure if I want something bitter, I can just make lemonade with an actual lemon and it would be cheaper.
I guess I am the outlier then. I am somewhat allergic to most alcohol, get a raging headache almost immediately. However I will have a drink occasionally, because I do like the taste. I find I can handle mead and red wine better than other alcohol. So I drink for the taste, not the buzz.
i feel like charles saying to not depend on him could either be interpreted as “don’t underage drink” OR “you should be able to sneak in your own alcohol”
i mean i assume he wouldn’t know but i can imagine him snarking over it in the past as a comparison like “come on mom, one sip of beer won’t make me rob any convenience stores, sal was sober for that”
surprised this isn’t more of a tactic, unless in the rare case it backfires on having the one kid that actually likes the bitter taste of beer withotu getting ‘used to it’ or generally having no taste so all liquids would be the same to him XD
It is interesting to me how some people get pushy about you drinking alcohol if you say you don’t like it. A lot of comments about how you just haven’t tried the right one yet (speaking from personal experience of in person reactions). You do get some of that response with some other things, but not as much as I have found with alcohol. It can be a bit burdensome, especially if everyone else is drinking and giving you a hard time for not joining in. It’s hard to bond with people when the only social thing they do together is go out to get drinks and you don’t drink(thinking of my grad school experience here).
Cue the story of the time I was sitting in a university bar, minding my own business, waiting for my SF&F Society friends and drinking a Coke, when this complete stranger looked at me and said “Exams, eh?” I laughed slightly and said “Nah, I just don’t drink,” and thought that was the end of it.
Instead, this guy sits down and starts trying to psychoanalyse me, because apparently, someone who chooses not to drink is sufficiently troubling to his worldview that it needs explained. And, if possible, “fixed”. And, being a socially anxious person without the confidence to turn this around and ask “Can we maybe look at why you have a problem with this?” I let it happen.
Thankfully, after ten minutes of this, I noticed the rest of Skiffysoc had arrived, and I made my excuses.
(I never, for the record, had any issue with my Skiffysoc friends asking why I didn’t drink.)
Hypothesis 1: a person sitting in a drinking establishment, deliberately remaining cold sober, while all around him are drowning their inhibitions, must be up to something.
Hypothesis 2: it’s like someone who shows up to a party in business clothes, knowing full well it’s a fancy-dress party. “You’re here, but you’re not with us.”
Also, stranger was probably at least buzzed and not at their sharpest. I’ve had stoners that I knew very well, and they knew I did not smoke, offer me pot so many times. Because they were stoned. It’s kind of an expectation when you’re hanging around people who are “gettin stupid”.
anyways, my experience has been that while stoners forget they’ve offered and you said no, and drinkers don’t gauge when an offer becomes insistent, meat eaters here can go on a figurative crusade.
I think we have a cultural tendency to glorify an unhealthy degree of drinking, and if someone chooses not to drink it makes us examine that a bit more closely than we’d like.
The interpretation I saw is “We can’t trust you if you aren’t willing to become vulnerable and physically incapable of defending yourself together with us.”
societal pressure is sucky, unless you’re able to snark your way out of it like “oh you don’t want all your shit destroyed within the hour after i’ve had half a beer” or so, if not even like “oh if you give me 40 dollars to force myself to enjoy your shitty beer i will” or so and get something otu of it
But yeah i would not trust my own self conscious or anyone else enough to ever get tipsy or high, maybe with a super close friend but but unless everyone’s drunk and one designated driver, they’re basically also becoming a babysitter after that too lol.
I don’t even think he lied about his age. He lied about Jason being the bartender and then Jason suddenly was the bartender and wouldn’t give him anymore booze.
I’d say it’s less disinterested and more powerless? He is more like a little mook for his super villain wife, he has no real power or influence here and at best just tries to mitigate the disasters his wife creates without getting into trouble himself.
I would hope the standard would be raised by now but ‘back in teh day’ just not being a deadbeat would be enough, tho there are apaprently stories on reddit now about dads still not changing diapers and all that i’m surprised more moms don’t passive aggressively drive off for an hour for time to themselves/a break unless they’re worried about their kid dying within the hour with just a dad unsupervised
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so cool
bumming sips of beverage, sitting in free student seats, amongst parents and birds, shoes on the wrong feet
Doubt Linda will move for reasons we already know, also what type of beer do they serve at Hoosiers games?
Only the best: Rolling Rock AND Keystone.
I did read they had Dragonfly IPA from Upland but I have never had that, and they probably charge to much for a pint
Shouldnt that be NAPA?
*shuffles nevously* I like Rolling Rock
It’s okay to like Rolling Rock
Particularly while being angry at certain video games of yesteryear.
So the plumbing is hooked up wrong, and no matter which tap is pulled you get both?
Only if you drink Rolling Rock on the Roll ‘n Rocker.
Walky, you have never been in danger of your dad thinking you’re cool
lol well other than not being into any sports or traditional ‘cool’ hobbies, i don’t think he’s ever had to worry about his dad thinking he was lame, or telling him he was too old for cartoons/comics/etc
tho other than the initial temptation/curiosity always thought it was odd for pop culture/society/etc for teen drinking to be considered cool. otehr than cheap beer which is terrible anyways and forcing yourself to enjoy the taste, i feel like most ppl would quit after their first hangover unless their reason for drinking/getting drunk outweighs the terribleness of a hangover but who knows, maybe walky getting drunk and ending up with a breakup with lucy would be better in the long run (tho prolly would be best to have a proper conversation and amicably break up but i don’t think it’d work that way)
Do we know enough of Charles to assess what he considers cool, especially in his collegiate age son? He strikes me as the kind who may have outgrown / checked out of the herd coolness scene awhile ago.
I’ve never had a hangover. However, I do get chronic migraines and have back and shoulder issues.
When I’m feeling cruddy I don’t often want to drink but there’s at least one party I went to with some friends that we had to stay over at a hotel for when I was 20. I’d barely eaten the previous day because the ouch was sapping my appetite, drank merrily – and woke up the next morning feeling great because the ouch had receded significantly. It took me a little while to twig why the friends were being so quiet and eating like it was a duty, when I was happily devouring my breakfast and chattering away.
I always make sure I drink water before going to bed (I hate feeling dehydrated) but yeah… I often think I should drink more… It also makes me better at some games (like Perudo and Double) sometimes!
“i feel like most ppl would quit after their first hangover”
That’s certainly what I did.
Never understood why people like beer; it is very bitter. When I drink/drank I enjoyed most non-beer alcohols. Sake, rum, and mead are my favorites. Though I also like margaritas and Mike’s.
Maybe someone can explain to me why they enjoy beer. Though I have a hard time explaining why I drink the stuff that I do enjoy.
I couldn’t imagine how people like any alcohol, honestly. It all tastes basically the same: Like the smell of Nail Polish Remover, turned into a flavor. Possibly with some other notes almost completely buried under that bit of vileness.
I wouldn’t call it bitter exactly, so much as just generally vile.
Every time I tell people I don’t drink, I always end up having the same conversation:
Them: why not?
Me: just never developed a taste for it.
Them: you don’t drink it for the taste!
This response has so far failed to get me to drink.
People always try to convince me I just haven’t found the right mix of things for me yet. I assure them all I am willing to try one sip of anything, but I’m not going to drink a glass of something that’s just yucky. Mike’s Hard Lemonade is tolerable, but regular lemonade is both tastier and cheaper, so I’ve never seen a reason to switch. At some point in my late 20s, people gave up trying. That might also be because I married a pastor in my mid 20s. Now they assume I’m not allowed to drink or something. It’s usually easier not to correct them.
I haven’t had much occasion to try alcohol, but when I do, I always thought, well, juice tastes better than THAT and is cheaper and I don’t have to designate a driver afterwards
these days, diet says I can only have water anyway, so yay for that I suppose
I’m told coffee, which I don’t drink, is also bitter, and most people apparently like that. Fwiw, not all beers are bitter, and many (including most mega brew) is barely bitter.
If you make it correctly coffee shouldnt be bitter.
Well, it can have bitter notes, but the bitterness shouldn’t dominate. Some people do seem to like that, though. I love coffee. But I don’t like it when it’s overly bitter. Starbucks’ coffee, for example, is suuuuuper bitter. Interestingly, a really good and cheap coffee is McDonalds. It has a strong coffee flavor without being bitter. Also, when you see people dumping tons of sugar and cream into their coffee, it’s usually because they’re trying to kill that bitter taste, or they just don’t like coffee but haven’t admitted that to themselves.
They’re desperate caffeine addicts.
If I remember what I was told correctly, McDonald’s bought the coffee recipe from Tim Hortons, giving McD’s the good tasting coffee and leaving Tim’s to switch to a worse recipe. I had several Canadians grumble to me about that even though I don’t drink coffee. Not sure when that happened though.
I really feel like society pushes you to be caffeine addicts as I find it hard to put in all the hours for work and at home without caffeine (biology undergrad was pretty brutal with that too, and combined with dorm living where people didn’t respect quiet hours). I know that when I was working at a greenhouse in my late teens/early 20s (hot, physical work), I would basically crash when I got home. It was hard to even muster the energy to eat and take a shower, and I didn’t have to cook it at that point or have a long drive back from work. Just seems like something is wrong with society if the majority have to be drugged (caffeine) to be competitive.
Some people like bitter. (see e.g. coffee) College students have a tendency to like cheap and watery. People like what they like.
I guess you havent had a truly good beer? In the US the big beer makers only make beers to get you bu?zed even then hey have low ABVs Budwiser, Coors,Miller Blue Ribon or the worst of the worst Natural Ics are alswill, even the imports like Labbat isn’t great.
lHonestly with the microbrew revolution there are so many beers tailored to specific tastes if you like fruit there are Fruit flavored beers milkshake flavored beers, beers that taste like margaritas. I’d it exists there is a micro brew for that. Also European Beer specfically some Czech and Bavarian beers are works of art.
Point is I like beer sometimes I make my own and go out the way to find the best beer, I like watching g the bubbles I like the fizz the floral, fruity, citrus-like, piney or resinous American-variety hop of IPA, the rich, complex, bready maltiness Czech pilsner, fhe crsip lower bitterness and malt of a golden lager, it’s a social dri k a drink that makes me happy after a long day of work it let’s me rela, I love beer beacuse we wouldn’t have civilization without it.( well really fermented beverages)
Maybe I’ll try a different beer one day. I’m technically not supposed to drink due to my psych meds, but I drink a few times a year. My birthday, Christmas, new years, and Saint Patrick’s Day.
Yeah I don’t drink in excess beacuse of meds and I don’t drink a beer until the end of the day when qnd usually at most a pint which is still not recommended also they type of beer i like costs money so if I’m going to have it better be something Iike.
I was supposed to say when the meds are less effective I know that I really shouldn’t do that.
A pint is a lot of beer
It’s really not a lot, unless you’re very sensitive to alcohol (which I am, so I get it). A pint is about 1.5 one standard drinks. It’s comparable to a glass and a half of wine or a ~2 oz pour of liquor. For a lot of people, that isn’t even enough alcohol to make them consciously feel any different.
A pint isn’t alot its and also the abv of a beer is far lower then a wine an liquor like even my favorite 2x IPA is like 8.5% compared to a glass of wine at 12.5% or 1.5 oz of whiskey or otber liquor which usually range from 20%-40% sometimes even higher.
A pint is 16 oz. more than I’ve ever been able to get down.
Can’t be worse than my grandma would would drink half a can of beer a day and save the other half in the open can in the fridge for the next day. I find myself that I tend to normally only be able to handle little bits of alcohol before the flavor becomes nothing but bitterness for me. Very few don’t do that, even ones that people say aren’t bitter at all. I think my tastebuds are just weird. My mom had the worse possible experience when she first had alcohol, as it was a daiquiri with an alcohol had from juniper, which she is allergic to. Turned her off alcohol all together.
There is genetic variation in our taste buds. Some people find that phenylthiocarbamide is intensely bitter, while others can’t taste it at all. Dark green vegetables taste like medicine to some people, and others like them just fine. My wife complains at levels of spice that are “really? there’s pepper in this?” to me.
I have no idea how to make a daiquiri, but I think alcohol flavored with juniper was probably gin.
Which shouldn’t be in a daiquiri. Basic daiquiri is just rum, lime juice and sugar water.
There are plenty of variations though, usually adding some kind of fruit flavor, but mixing in some gin isn’t out of the question.
It was at someone’s house, not a bar or restaurant, so I can’t say that they were following exact instructions on what goes in what. It could just be that gin was all they had at the time.
That has nothing to do with taste buds. It’s the pain receptors. They also react to capsaicin and a few other such things, not just to physical injuries.
Maybe try a Belgian White Ale next time you have the inclination. They are generally smooth, rarely bitter at all, and typically have slight citrusy notes.
They’re not even too hard to find, as Blue Moon is owned by Miller/Coors these days, ensuring pretty widespread availability. It’s a pretty reasonable example of the type, too.
My disability has effectively limited my beer intake to less than one per month, but those are pretty much all I drink when I do.
The “good” beers right now are even more bitter than the “bad” ones
God, I despise the way that IPAs have just completely engulfed the craft beer market in America these days. And the bitterness has become the whole point, too, as they lean into the whole dick-waving machismo angle with names like CROTCHSMASHER SUPER-HOP DEATHZONE and the like
I was going to say exactly this. It’s an anti-Renaissance in the industry. There are literally hundreds of styles our there and all anyone wants to make is some sort of pine sap tasting imperial with a choice of hazy, juicy, and dank as adjectives.
An IPA is meant to be hoppy, because in the days before refrigeration that was how you got an ale to survive the trip to India.
What it doesn’t have to be is the same three hops every single time. You can branch out, brewers! Try something new! You’re doing micro-brew IPAs for the quick turnaround anyway, why not live a little with the flavours?
Miller Blue Ribbon? I believe you have merged two different beers. Miller makes a bunch of different beers, although Miller Lite is their best seller (and a halfway decent pilsner actually, from what I remember–I quit drinking 17 years ago). Blue Ribbon is made by Pabst. It’s pretty bad.
I forgot to put a comma between the two
Beer comes in a whole range of bitterness. Bitter beers (specifically IPAs) have been popular for a little while now for a few reasons. 1) people can like bitter beer, just like they can like coffee, pumpernickel, kale, or bitter melon. It’s a matter of preference. 2) people want to look cool and fit in. 3) the same reason mass produced pilsners are served ice cold: to mask mediocre flavors.
I like bitter beer, but I like variety more.
1. a convenient and acceptable source of alcohol.
2. just like coffee gives a pleasant feeling, over time the bitter taste is associated with a positive feeling
3. a bit of a mix of point 1 and 2, it’s easier to get it when you’re young, so there was time to get used to it, plus you have nice memories with beer
4. Bitter, just like spicy, you can like or dislike it, it’s a matter of experimenting with its level
Some people are super tasters and react strongly to bitterness and some are non-tasters and don’t taste much of anything, it’s a genetic thing anyway. There are certain beers to this day, particularly a lot of IPA’s that I won’t drink because they are too bitter, but that leaves quite a few beers with better flavors. Generally speaking paler colored alcohols tend to be less bitter (but there are some exceptions here).
When I was young I deployed to Germany in the army and when I came back I realized how mediocre the most popular brands like Budweiser/Coors etc tend to be in comparison to the better beers out there.
I feel like European food/drink quality tends to ruin your opinion on American brands. I still remember the bread that I had in France, and just nothing really compares in the US or Canada, especially not at the price I can afford.
i don’t mind strawberry margs but i’d rather it be made for me than like a flavored bottle from the store, but coffee was also an acquired taste, tho other than liked bottled starbucks i guess i prefer the strwaberry frappes that tastes more like milkshake than a coffee lol
…also, I feel like hangover by beer are worse than another drink.
Sometimes I enjoy beer when it’s not bitter and you get sweeter, malty flavours. Guinness when you’re in the right mood can almost he creamy, with no sickliness. Other ones can be almost but not quite fruity.
But usually my preference is fruity. My husband will very occasionally see and pick up a bottle of cherry lambrini for me – alcoholic cherryade!! But some fruit ciders can be a bit too sickly for me to drink much of 🤷🏻♀️
(and fruit-flavoured beers can be not bitter at all and basically beer-based alcopops!)
I like it favored. Like sorrel red stripe is my favorite thing to drink at Christmas. And I like some of the Seagram’s flavors. I kind of like the bitter fermented flavor of alcohol when its mixed with sweet flavor, for the same reason I like dark chocolate and iced coffee and raw sweet bread dough
I still don’t LIKE Charles due to the Sal stuff, but I will admit he is definitely the “cool” parent who acknowledges eighteen-year-olds away from home are both capable of and willing to acquire alcohol.
“I’m not a normal dad, I’m a CoOL dad!” I think he’s trying too hard. He’s going to ask Wally to introduce him to sexy college girls next. Like that dad who moved into the girls dorms and pimped out the roommates.
I think it’s just banter. He’s not offering to give him alcohol, just teasing him over what is already probably a joke.
I agree. Unlike Linda, it turns out Charles has a sense of humor. I think part of the reason for all the conflict between Linda and her daughter is Sal doesn’t have a sense of humor either.
it’s good that they don’t have to worry about walky getting involved with drugs (but y’never know with jennifer being in their friend group unless that kinda stuff was hidden/covered up [tho walky was joking about it like day one so i imagine they have a vague idea]) but sometimes it does seem like ppl are uptight about the age, not that i’d trust an 18 with beer , but 21 doesn’t seem that much diff, considering hte drinking age is 18 or even younger in some cases but other than a glass of wine that ‘pairs well’ with like a meal, i don’t think it’d be that fun then again i wasn’t much of a ‘party person’
There are some parents who would want to believe that their kids would never try alcohol, drugs, or sex even when they’re old enough to do it legally.
If we lowered the drinking age in the us and raised the driving g age, it might give younger folk a chance to figure out what the stuff does to them before they get near a vehicle.
Or remove the forbidden temptation angle and teach them how to enjoy it safely and responsibly. There is some discussion about what it does to developing brains and when the safe age is for exposure to that (if I remember right, brains keep developing into early 20s). I do believe that it is legal for kids to have alcohol in their own house with the consent of parents, which would be the safest spot to learn limits. That runs into cultural issues in the US though.
Going to college in wisconsin, the law is as long as you are with your parents, you can drink/be served legally. So my 18 year old sister came out to the bars with my mom and me when I graduated college. Wisconsin also holds majority of spots on lists of cities with most binge drinking (think my college town was #2 on list I saw).
Even if it’s not safe to drink before a certain age, that doesn’t really factor in much if making it illegal doesn’t actually make kids drink less.
If making it illegal increases secret binge drinking, it might actually do more harm than good.
I sometimes feel like everyone in the world drank underage but me.
When I was in college (a very long time ago) the drinking age was 18, so almost all college students were legal.
Same here; and as a result, bars generally accepted college IDs, which made things pretty convenient for me when I went off to university at 16
I had a friend who didn’t drink until he was 21; he had the same principle with waiting until marriage before he had sex.
…yeah, I’m not exactly proud of it, but I started drinking when I was 11 and was a full fledged alcoholic by the time I was 15… wouldn’t recommend it.
I didn’t, aside from the occasional sip offered by my parents, who aren’t big drinkers either. But it helped that the drinking age here is 18. I certainly drank (reasonably responsibly) when I was 18, 19 and 20.
I waited til my 21st birthday as well.
i had a few sips here and there before i was 21, got tipsy a few times after i was 21, then decided the awful flavor and smell and tummy aches weren’t worth it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The whole U.S. drinking age thing is so bizarre
I drank Fireball with my brother and his friends when I was 19 or 20.
That’s the only time I remember drinking before 21.
But I’m middle aged and somewhat forgetful now, so I’m not sure.
Fireball, for anyone who doesn’t know, tastes like the spicy cinnamon candy called Atomic Fireballs/Cinnamon Hot Balls.
For those who don’t know of it at all: it’s whiskey spiced with cinnamon.
I’m always picking their shotglass-sized bottles out of the edge of my lawn. 🙁
When I was in college I looked so old that I never got carded. Even when I was just 17 and the drinking age was 21. Then when I got older I started getting senior citizen discounts without asking, which is slightly embarrassing when you’re not even 40 yet. Now that I am officially a Senior Citizen I get mad when I don’t get the discounts automatically, which only happens on the internet when they can’t see me.
I don’t remember when i had my first drink but i know it was well after i turned 21 because i hate when people make a fuss about me doing new things especially if its something ive been unwilling to do for a while.
People like to lie, I don’t believe that much about these adventures…
What gets me more are the teens that post videos and pictures on social media of them drinking underage. I am not surprised that they are doing it, just that they would be so out front about it.
I live in the UK where the drinking age is 18 (and to be fair I’d say by age 15 maybe 50% of folks have gotten drunk at least once, so ya not necessarily wrong in that feeling Rassilon)
was teetotal for a mix of religious reasons & mental health reasons, now mainly just for mental health reasons
all of my flatmates in uni were absolute party animals (out clubbing til 4am 5 nights a week) (also alcoholics – they were straight up medically alcoholics :/ ) but they were very decent people & never peer pressured me into drinking. If there was alcohol they thought tasted particularly nice, they’d involve me by letting me sniff it (as though I was a curious housecat :’) =^-^= ) & I’d share my thoughts on how it smelled 😀
didn’t drink any alcohol until staying with my grandpa (who brewed very strong wine from his own grapes) and didn’t drink enough alcohol to get buzzed until I was 23 & in a scenario where I was with some folks who did make me feel a wee bit peer pressured. That wine didn’t taste at all nice, but the mouthfeel afterwards was very fruity & nice
will not be drinking alcohol again though 🙂 given it a go now – gonna stick with being teetotal
Lovely that the housemates both respected your boundaries and allowed you to be involved in something that gave them pleasure but on terms that worked for you ❤️
I tried, but I couldn’t choke the stuff down. Still can’t, and I’m closing in on forty. Stuff’s just awful.
I’ve still never had an alcoholic drink. I have used alcohol in cooking– wine in fondue, making bread with beer– but that’s pretty much my only experience of buying alcohol as well. Just never was that interested. Current meds have alcohol cautions as well, but I don’t know how sensitive that is since it’s not a factor for me anyway.
I had my first drink the night *before* my 21st birthday, to be a “rebel,” but it was a very Joyce-style rebellion, because at the time, I was studying abroad in a country where the drinking age was 18.
also, it tasted like cough syrup, so I didn’t have more than a few sips of it.
Beer’s kinda gross though.
That’s why it’s only for drinking after you’re already too drunk to taste anything. I’m pretty sure that’s in the Bible somewhere.
I just flagged my own comment, that’s how inebriated I am.
I mean, how good can a beer be if you’re getting it from a college stadium (unless the logic is reverse and the beer is higher quality /because/ sports fan go hardcore supporting a fave brand on top of their teams)
It’s the US, a favourite brand isn’t going to be better quality
Depends on the beer there are alot of different beers. If your talking about the swill that big American breweries like Miller Coors(owned by the same company) Anhiser-Busch(owned by a Belgian company) Blue Ribbon or that abomination called Natural Ice. Then yeah that beer is gross. But micro brew scene as a wide variety of beers tailored to specific tastes.
Even the artesanal or the more expensive one?
I would say yeah the artesnal stuff is not as good as micro brews overall and costs roughly the same.
Beer tastes like crap.
Alcohol in general tastes bad.
Eh, I be it alcohol, cannabis or a prescription like Ritalin, I’ll swallow anything bitter if it’ll get me the desired effect.
I never got drinking straight alcohol. I always have to mix it with something and that kind of ruins the taste to me. I guess you have to have the palette for drinking. Wine is okay, but even then I’d rather drink juice or cider. Drinkers and smokers are enigmas to me. I respect your choice in consumption but I do not understand it.
I drink mix drinks specifically because straight alcohol tastes like crap.
They can be kinda complicated like Long Island Ice Teas or they can be simple like Vodka and cranberry juice.
I once had moonshine called Apple Pie that tasted like apples.
And I’m particularly fond of mixing vodka into V8 Fusion or V8 Splash (though it’s been awhile so the brands might not exist in the same form anymore).
I’ve never been fond of any beer, but when I used to go to Drunk Ass Karaoke with my coworkers, I’d sometimes order a Corona with some Grenadine poured into it, and that was tasty enough to work.
My dad once told me to try a Zombie, but I never got around to it.
Yee, rum and coke always a winner in my book. Rum and kool aid also good.
I was a big rum and coke and Jack and coke drinker in my eRly 20s. Now I just really like the taste of things on their own. It also helps me figure out how to mix them better, knowing what they will feel like and smell like and taste like at different temperatures and in different vessels.
I’m going to comment on alot of threads but it depends on the beer if your buying beer made by large scale brewing yeah generally those beers are unpleasant. But in the last 20 years the brewing scene has blown up and there are so many beers tailored to different tastes. Also maybe try sweeter Hard Cider you taste the Cider more then alchool. Also don’t drink on meds or to excess.
Everytime someone recommends me an alcoholic beverage I don’t like it. Probably cuz I hate the taste of alcohol. It’s like cough syrup. You can hand me a million flavors of cough syrup but it’s still gonna have the iconic cough syrup aftertaste.
Amen. My ex-wife used to bug with various drinks insisting that “you totally can’t taste the alcohol in this one!” then accusing me of lying when I nearly retched on whatever vile concoction she pushed on me.
I’ve got that issue with beer and wine and most other fermented alcohols, like ciders. There’s a specific taste that’s the same in all of them that I’m sensitive to, whatever the rest of the flavors in the drink.
Whatever it is, it goes away when you distill booze, so I’m perfectly happy with most hard alcohols, mixed or straight up.
Back in college, when I was figuring this out, people kept saying I just hadn’t tried good beer and I should try their favorite craft microbrew. Never worked. I could choke down the mass market stuff, because it was mostly water, but the closer to “real beer” it was, the less I liked it.
Now I describe beer and wine as “unfinished alcohol”.
Cider is supposed to be hard, that’s how come it’s cider and not apple juice
Have you not had non alcoholic cider then? It is SO popular in New England in the fall, and its flavor is so much better than apple juice. You really can’t compare the two, it’s that different. I got peeved moving to Washington state since they sell “apple cider” here that is really more apple juice. The cider we got in New England could literally turn alcoholic or into vinegar if left too long.
There’s a fair amount of cider sold in Indiana too. There’s “fresh cider” (which has fine pulp in it and is cloudy), clear cider (aged a bit more but still non-alcoholic) and hard cider (alcoholic).
Mostly they pasteurize it these days, which should keep it from turning, but I’ve had some that turned.
Even tried to freeze distill a batch, which they used to do in the old days.
some fruity ‘girly’ cocktails might be alright but halfway through it’d prolly still taste mostly like alcohol, there was this choco-coffee liqueur i like at the bar but not worth it to make it myself, i can imagine having one drink tho if i was with a friend/offered to have it paid for
that said, i feel like the mom would be ok with walky having a sip but chastise sal for having some as well
Cocktails are nice. I like when alcohol cute the sweetness but some just mask the taste all together. For the longest time i could only drink Pepsi if it had a splash of rum bc that suits gross, way too sweet. Now i just use lemon juice
I won’t lie, Walky’s pretty funny here. I can absolutely get where he’s successfully charming.
I also strongly suspect he gets a lot of this from Charles.
He certainly doesn’t get it from Linda.
Take my imaginary upvote! You speak the truth.
Probably also his use of humor to lower tensions / steady the boat / avoid difficult discussions.
Absolutely, which is part of why he has a lot of practice at it.
There is an enormous variety of types of beer. Most mega brew (industrial light lagers) are similar and have little flavor. But the rest cover such a range that it’s impossible to make any generalizations about what they taste like.
I’d add that alcohol in general isn’t bitter. Beer is varying degrees of bitter because of the hops (anti-bacterial, and to balance the sweetness of the malt, and to some degree to keep little kids from drinking it).
And by little kids, apparently they mean me
(beer is the worst)
while adults have different sensitivities to the basic tastes, that’s not what I mean. Children, before their mid-teens, are more sensitive to sweet and bitter. I guess I don’t know how old you are though.
You know, for some people that never changes. This “adults” vs. “children” stuff is far from universal.
And german beer is the wurst.
I’ve been keeping a life list of beers on my phone. Up to 218 different beers. Adding a local raspberry lager next. Sturgeon’s Law applies – 90% of everything is crap. If you know what you like (smooth, malty) and don’t (bitter, alcohol forward), there’s no shortage of choices. But drinking, beer or otherwise, is often not the best choice.
That fourth panel… *chef’s kiss*
You know, I’ll just say it, I like Chuck and I don’t care that he’s with Linda, who sucks
I like him too! He’s not perfect but when we see him alone he seems nice.
sometimes there can be wonderful (or just average) ppl with terrible partners, but it’s not someone’s place to say anything about it unless it’s an abusive situation, but even then ppl would either not care or double down on defending them
(tho i can imagine a close friend group jokingly telling each other ‘just divorce’ if they have a weekly wine and dine weekend with each other to complain about their spouses)
I’ll add my vote.
It’s been commented on before in this sequence, but the “good cop” isn’t your friend, no matter how nice he’s being.
I think that’s over-extending the metaphor. In the police technique, both cops have the same goal and are playing parts. The cops tell each other everything.
Charles wants to have a good relationship with his kids, he has a different goal than Linda. But he fails, because he also has another goal, to manage Linda’s extreme behavior.
He can be likeable, and maybe even trustworthy to a point. He won’t tell her everything. But he will not have your back.
Have we seen Charles manage Linda’s behaviour? The closest I remember is Charles pointing out last night that walky was no longer failing but that and going to Sal afterwards is more about keeping his wife happy then keeping her behaviour managed. I
I suspect that Charles’ management of Linda’s bad behavior boils down to “don’t set her off.” He seems to spend more effort on patching things up when she’s out of earshot.
IIRC we have only Sal’s word that they’re running a good cop/bad cop play. She may be right; she may be wrong.
Charles seems to always assume that his wife knows best. Hence why he assumed Sal going off to boarding school was for the best–and that’s an argument with legs since it got her away from Linda.
Somebody made a comparison with Walky dating Dorothy and letting her take charge on a lot of stuff because he feels comfortable with that.
i mean, i assume most parents would rather have their kids not be in jail, but if it was closer idk if it would’ve helped as much bc we don’t know how bad juvie is compared to a boarding school, i imagine sal wouldn’t have had any friends she’d stay in touch with from that, but she ended up alright despite that, but i imagine she won’t give the mom another chance even if she’s willing to talk to the dad still
I’m wondering if Charles was an athlete “cool kid” when he was in school, myself. Given stuff like the basketball mentions and the height reference the other day.
well, walky did say “every little boy thinks he’s going to be on the team” or so, idk if they’d have to be more athletic than others, i can see some kids who are on soccer teams say they wanna be in the world cup but don’t care anymore/part of a team by the time they’re at high school age
I’m getting the sense that he wants to live vicariously through his kids a bit, whether it’s because college was his glory days or because he was somewhat sheltered (or barred from certain activities on account of his race) and missed out on a lot of the debauchery he wanted to have
Put me down as another who doesn’t like the taste of alcohol or many bitter things, including beer. (Too much of a sweet tooth; I’d rather have fresh grape juice than wine.) I drink a couple of times a year when visiting family, usually stuff like fruit liqueurs, shots of rum, etc.
i’m the type of person that doesn’t like anything that is considered an ‘acquired taste’/you have to force yourself to like (idk if i’d even try a weed brownie, maybe one from a trusted friend but yeah), i imagine some ppl can try non alcoholic beer, i imagine some teens could feel tricked/wouldn’t know the diff tho idk how many ppl buy that outside of alcoholics quitting or so, but even kombucha seems nasty
I’d prolly try a wine made of my fave fruit but i wouldn’t necessarily wanna pay more “for the good stuff” lol
I don’t trust ‘acquired’ tastes. That just sounds to me like “this is disgusting, but I consumed enough of it to trick myself into thinking I like it.”
Or as I usually phrase it “Stockholm syndrome for your taste buds.”
A lot of that stuff does genuinely taste good to me, but it’s usually got an unexpected quality to it that I’m not prepared for, so I have to adjust to that quality to acquire the taste.
spicy food i guess was an ‘acquired’ taste? or tolerance buildup? tho outside of hot wings, most spicy foods i don’t go outta my way to eat b/c on a scale of 1-10, i can only handle like 3, maybe 4 on a good day even w/o any stomachache issues
Guinan: So what do you think?
Data: This is vile! It’s disgusting! I hate this!
Guinan: Another?
Data: Yes, please.
I didn’t force myself to “acquire” a taste for spinach or parmesan cheese, two things I used to hate but now tolerate (but still don’t actively seek out). What happened was that my first exposure was to cheap/badly prepared dishes with those things, and later I happened to have them in food that was actually good.
Fwiw you can’t taste the weed in edibles but you’re absolutely right only to try one from a trusted source for many reasons
lol yeah iv’e seen the memes of ‘this edible aint shit’ and they end up eating more than they should XD
i guess i just don’t like…fermentation? beer aside i also hate pickles tho i love cucumbers in sandwiches, dunno how much of an acquired taste in that b/c apparently some kids like pickles , or at least like/tolerate it enough as long as it’s in a burger, or something like kimchi which apparently is good for ur gut but yeah
I’ve had a dessert wine that tasted exactly like eating a piece of fruit, but it was a more expensive variety from Europe. In general, I am with you on preferring juice, though I do like tea (spicy ones like chai the most). I figure if I want something bitter, I can just make lemonade with an actual lemon and it would be cheaper.
I guess I am the outlier then. I am somewhat allergic to most alcohol, get a raging headache almost immediately. However I will have a drink occasionally, because I do like the taste. I find I can handle mead and red wine better than other alcohol. So I drink for the taste, not the buzz.
You were always seen as cool by him, Walky.
And especially with Lucy’s subdued look at the end, I see some scoring even after the game, nawmsayn
oh like with his penis
Arin Hanson? Is that you being blunt?
No, I’m not Egoraptor. For starters, I’ve never used the N-word in a rap song about taxes.
I don’t know why I’m surprised to learn he did that…
I’m surprised people are still giving him shit for that.
You-all see the preview panel of Dorothy on tumblr? I bet she’s working up the nerve to text Arnold.
Wish dad offered me beer. It could take part of his fundamentalism away , could be cool…
i feel like charles saying to not depend on him could either be interpreted as “don’t underage drink” OR “you should be able to sneak in your own alcohol”
Oh it’s absolutely “You are old enough to get your own booze.”
Certainly how Walky takes it.
i mean i assume he wouldn’t know but i can imagine him snarking over it in the past as a comparison like “come on mom, one sip of beer won’t make me rob any convenience stores, sal was sober for that”
Might be good for him. My dad let me have a tiny sip of his beer when I was a kid. It was so vile I didn’t even try to touch alcohol until I was 18.
My grandma did that to me. Alcohol praline. The disgustingness of that thing is one of my earliest memories XD
I asked my grandfather what whiskey tasted like when I was 11. He told me to try it. Bitter fire that smells like turpentine.
Not a fan.
I think I sneaked the dregs of my father’s glass, but same effect.
surprised this isn’t more of a tactic, unless in the rare case it backfires on having the one kid that actually likes the bitter taste of beer withotu getting ‘used to it’ or generally having no taste so all liquids would be the same to him XD
Does Linda even actually like beer
(well, seriously tho, how can anyone actually like beer. ew)
well, she coudl’ve brought a water bottle/bought something else, unless there’s no other options and needs alcohol to tolerate a game or so
It is interesting to me how some people get pushy about you drinking alcohol if you say you don’t like it. A lot of comments about how you just haven’t tried the right one yet (speaking from personal experience of in person reactions). You do get some of that response with some other things, but not as much as I have found with alcohol. It can be a bit burdensome, especially if everyone else is drinking and giving you a hard time for not joining in. It’s hard to bond with people when the only social thing they do together is go out to get drinks and you don’t drink(thinking of my grad school experience here).
Cue the story of the time I was sitting in a university bar, minding my own business, waiting for my SF&F Society friends and drinking a Coke, when this complete stranger looked at me and said “Exams, eh?” I laughed slightly and said “Nah, I just don’t drink,” and thought that was the end of it.
Instead, this guy sits down and starts trying to psychoanalyse me, because apparently, someone who chooses not to drink is sufficiently troubling to his worldview that it needs explained. And, if possible, “fixed”. And, being a socially anxious person without the confidence to turn this around and ask “Can we maybe look at why you have a problem with this?” I let it happen.
Thankfully, after ten minutes of this, I noticed the rest of Skiffysoc had arrived, and I made my excuses.
(I never, for the record, had any issue with my Skiffysoc friends asking why I didn’t drink.)
Just realised that last sentence doesn’t exactly say what I meant it to — I mean they never did, not that they did but I didn’t have an issue with it.
Hypothesis 1: a person sitting in a drinking establishment, deliberately remaining cold sober, while all around him are drowning their inhibitions, must be up to something.
Hypothesis 2: it’s like someone who shows up to a party in business clothes, knowing full well it’s a fancy-dress party. “You’re here, but you’re not with us.”
Also, stranger was probably at least buzzed and not at their sharpest. I’ve had stoners that I knew very well, and they knew I did not smoke, offer me pot so many times. Because they were stoned. It’s kind of an expectation when you’re hanging around people who are “gettin stupid”.
anyways, my experience has been that while stoners forget they’ve offered and you said no, and drinkers don’t gauge when an offer becomes insistent, meat eaters here can go on a figurative crusade.
So you met Booster in real life?
I think we have a cultural tendency to glorify an unhealthy degree of drinking, and if someone chooses not to drink it makes us examine that a bit more closely than we’d like.
The interpretation I saw is “We can’t trust you if you aren’t willing to become vulnerable and physically incapable of defending yourself together with us.”
As a woman, that physically capable of defending yourself can be a real kicker.
societal pressure is sucky, unless you’re able to snark your way out of it like “oh you don’t want all your shit destroyed within the hour after i’ve had half a beer” or so, if not even like “oh if you give me 40 dollars to force myself to enjoy your shitty beer i will” or so and get something otu of it
But yeah i would not trust my own self conscious or anyone else enough to ever get tipsy or high, maybe with a super close friend but but unless everyone’s drunk and one designated driver, they’re basically also becoming a babysitter after that too lol.
“I was drunk at a dorm party!”
“How did that-”
“Billie was there too.”
“Ah.”
And there was that one time he lied about his age to get into a pub and drink with Jason.
I don’t even think he lied about his age. He lied about Jason being the bartender and then Jason suddenly was the bartender and wouldn’t give him anymore booze.
That was at Galasso’s.
I was referring to this earlier time, but actually going back to find it, Walky didn’t actually drink anything like I thought he did. 🤷
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-7/04-the-do-list/yelp/
Charles acts nice but gives me bad dad vibes. Maybe with a hint of disinterested dad?
I’d say it’s less disinterested and more powerless? He is more like a little mook for his super villain wife, he has no real power or influence here and at best just tries to mitigate the disasters his wife creates without getting into trouble himself.
I don’t know, I get less of those and more of a “blissful ignorance” vibe.
Probably a large part of it too.
I would hope the standard would be raised by now but ‘back in teh day’ just not being a deadbeat would be enough, tho there are apaprently stories on reddit now about dads still not changing diapers and all that i’m surprised more moms don’t passive aggressively drive off for an hour for time to themselves/a break unless they’re worried about their kid dying within the hour with just a dad unsupervised
Maybe if more men weren’t complete losers who couldn’t be trusted with their own kid’s safety, moms wouldn’t need so many breaks.💅
Okay, I admit these two are cute here, but I still ship Dorothy and Walky.
…. I don’t think we ever learned if it was the mom or dad where they got their constitution in the Walkyverse.
How are things going to go if it turns out Linda has the same (non-existent) capacity for alcohol as Sal and Walky?
I can see her letting something slip, then Charles and Walky try to downplay or ignore it but Lucy keeps pressing them.
Lucy is doing amazing at this
It makes me kinda really happy