If you are wondering what equipment package is in Dina’s pants, she is definitively the wielder of a vagina.
I’m not sure gender expression is an aspect of her identity that Dina’s yet spent a lot of thought on, though – her neurodivergence, and the associated struggles with social and institutional inflexibility towards that divergence, seem to have occupied most of her thoughts about identity so far. That said, it would not shock me if, down the line, Dina were to arrive at some form of nonbinary gender identity. Not saying I expect that, but it’d be a plausible evolution of her character if it did.
i mean, nothing wrong with that as long as it’s not fetishized (and becky isn’t the type to be one of those dudebro fuckbois who are like “i’m attracted to ‘crazy’/mentally unstable women”)
There is a bit of an overlap of trans and autistic ppl, at least on tumblr so becky would prolly find some ppl within the lgbt community that’d also be an aspect of what she’s attracted to
In all honesty it’s probably that, through the years, Becky built up an image of ideal partner in her mind based on Joyce and then, subconsciously, identified lots of the same traits in Dina and fell for her.
This is what I was thinking as well, especially since Becky got together with Dina before she was necessarily fully over Joyce. It makes sense that overlapping traits would attract her.
I would think that her type is the straightforward, doesn’t mince words, “this is who I am for better or worse” type. Both Joyce and Dina are very much who they are. Neither is good at disseminating. Whether from autism or not, Becky’s type might be people who don’t play games. She likes relationships with people who don’t play games and who she can anticipate from one moment to the next. In other words, the exact opposite of the environment she had growing up where her dad was full of hypocrisy and twisting his professed values to serve the agenda that he wanted.
In contrast to her dad, Joyce was always consistent with her faith. She always tried to follow the bible to the best of her ability and tried to adjust her understanding of the bible to meet the standards of what she understood to be right with growing knowledge of the changing world around her. When she was not able to reconcile the whole bible to what she knew to be right, she had to abandon one of them because she is very all-or-nothing. And she chose the one that she thought was genuinely right even though it hurt her to give up everything familiar to her.
Dina embraces the world of facts. Her values and beliefs center fully around empirical evidence. This is something that she has never deviated from because if the evidence points to something else, she goes with it because that is the value attached to science.
This brought back a shitty high school memory. I had a crush on a girl who was autistic. I liked how smart and no-nonsense she was. I mentioned it to a (then) friend, who was like “No way, you can’t date her, she’s autistic! Sure, she’ll be easy, but someone just has to tell her that it’s normal to gangbang the whole football team and she’ll do it, she doesn’t know any better!”
Obviously, I now know that nothing about that assessment was true, but I’m ashamed to admit I believed it enough to change my mind about asking her out at the time.
Anyway the moral of the story is high schoolers are stupid and cruel and I’m sorry to anyone who currently is one.
Yeah, this sounds right. The autistic neurotype can be attractive to someone without fetishism or taking advantage of someone vulnerable or bs like that.
I actually like/appreciate Becky’s response here, and I sincerely hope that Joyce does as well. No reaction to possible autism is just about as perfect a response as one would hope. i.e. I see Becky’s response as a positive confirmation that she could care zero fucks whether Joyce is or isn’t. She’s Joyce, still her BFF, if not love reciprocal.
Joyce’s immediate, expressed concern was about Becky treating her differently, so I actually think a response of “this makes me reflect more on myself than it changes my perception of you” is pretty good.
Honestly came here to say this. Provisionally willing to deal with it if it ends with one fewer person casually stomping all over Joyce in the name of friendship or protecting her from herself or whatever.
I mean, considering it’s about her attraction to Joyce, it the most Joyce-centric reaction Joyce has gotten thus far. Everybody else was pretty much talking out their own issues with Joyce as the rubber ducky.
Just to be clear, my comment was meant as a joke along the lines of “undercover police have to tell you if you ask, or else it’s considered entrapment” thing, which isn’t true but comes up in media a lot. Wasn’t thinking of the “trap” connection there.
Oh sure sure. obviously. Sorry for seeming to imply that
Also, I’m sorry for using that phrase out of the blue even within the context of linking to Contrapoints. That’s not cool, hope that didn’t trigger anyone. Ok back to my void
becky also knows about the pills because she was present for the conversation immediately preceding this scene where joyce yelled at everyone for hassling her about the pills.
and also for all the conversations before that about learning to take the pills. and the conversation before that about dorothy going with joyce to get the pills and also the conversation before THAT with jennifer where she said joyce should go to the doctor and GET the pills so yeah she knows about the pills XDD
i dk if she’s mentioned any other chara’s she’s attracted to outside of some fictional examples/celebs, but i suppose it’s the passion/knowledge on things, and i’d assume a neurotypical can be equally as passionate about it without it being a ‘hyperfixation’
I think she was just in love with Joyce for years and when that didn’t work out she subconsciously recognized that Dina has many of the same traits as Joyce and things went from there.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if yes Becky had a “type” consisting of traits that have a heavy overlap with / entirely fall within the Venn circle of common autistic neurotype traits. Sincerity, straightforwardness, being strongly “into” something to and past the point of “weirdness” from the point of view of other people (and it’s not unlikely Becky would have thought Joyce knew how she was viewed by others and didn’t give a shit), liking to /talk/ about the thing they’re into, etc.
Like, yeah, there’s a lot of things about being autistic that can easily be attractive to someone who’s into that.
Possible autism traits aside Joyce and Dina do have a lot in common. Not sure how much of that is possible autism but they are very similar so Becky does have a type, and that type is tops.
I think there is an argument to be made that Joe’s hopes will come true. When he finally confessed his feelings to Joyce, she seemed to delight in the knowledge, and in the fact that she could use it to make him squirm. Not in a malicious way at all, but that she liked being in charge- a fact that she more or less admitted to later, when she said she liked being on top of a social interaction for a change. I think it’ll take a lot of careful exploration, but I’d say the basic impulse is definitely there.
I think she has the energy. This latest semester arc has shown Joyce has a mean and aggressive side, definitely more than Becky does. Given the opportunity she can take charge very easily. Dina on the surface doesn’t seem like a top either but we all know the dinosaur that lurks underneath.
Well no you don’t Becky, Joyce was probably the only girl in your church group that had the patience to do deal with you and it was a similar situation with Dina
You have it the wrong way around with Dina. Becky stuck with Dina at the party when she was having an autistic meltdown/anxiety attack, and the attraction was mutual from there.
In Beck’s defense here she has hung around with other girls. The cast is mostly women after all, and she hasn’t expressed attraction to any of them beyond her general appreciation for women in general. I think she once made a pass at Sal, but to everyone else she’s been pretty muted when most of them are fair game. Daisy is the lesbian whose type is “women” Becky at least has some loose preferences.
My first thought was no it’s not. Then I counted them and you are correct. by my count there are 8 biological males, 14 biological females and 2 unknowns.
(by the way, please don’t shame me, I’m an old white guy and STILL don’t know all the correct terminology.)
Not shaming, but in interest of education. You wanted just men and women in this sentence, drop the word “biological” altogether. “…there are 8 men, 14 women, and 2 nonbinary people.”
The term “biological male” is used by transphobes as a way to call trans women men. For instance, under that framework, Carla is a “biological male”, but again, it’s a bigoted framework that exists entirely to be transphobic and to deny Carla and people like her their womanhood.
I’m not going to double check your math, but since you counted Malaya and Booster under your nonbinary category rather than under your two “biological” categories, I suspect you put Carla correctly under your woman category (which is correct).
Ultimately, when talking about trans people, just don’t overthink it. Your normal gendered terms, man/woman/nonbinary person, are sufficient to cover trans people in 99% of cases you’ll use. You don’t have to do a bunch of linguistic gymnastics, just say what comes naturally, so long as you’re considering trans people to be the gender they say they are.
And if there’s a need to distinguish beyond the normal gendered terms, “trans” and “cis” are right there. There’s no need for “biological”. As you say, it’s transphobic red flag – isn’t always used that way, but people will suspect.
I dont know if i’d call it a “meltdown” (usually those are a lot more serious), but yeah even before then i think Dina kissed her in response to others infantilizing her?
I’m autistic, you two are kinda taking a tone here that reads like you think this is some ableist bullshit when, no, not even slightly what I am doing here.
Look for anyone in the same boat as Becky who just recently notice your love life is made up of a pattern of people who all share the same disorder. I just want to advise you that for future references please do not put “must be autistic” in your dating profile.
I’ve had that idea too. Both of the women I’ve kissed have been heavy, black, bisexual women. And I wonder if I gravitate to them more or if they gravitate to me more. Do I have a type or does a type have me?
I most definitely do have a type. XD But despite that, all of my girlfriends and partners have only partially matched that type. I’m not sure what would happen if someone matching my type EXACTLY were to show up.
Kind just fell into them to be fair. I’m pretty open to dating just about anyone! Though I will also admit I find several of those aforementioned traits attractive.
My first girlfriend was the first girl I really genuinely asked out. The 2nd is a friend I’ve known for years who I eventually said “Hey would you be ok with hooking up” and her answer was basically “Sure, I don’t mind another notch on my bedpost”. So I guess in both scenarios I initiated.
I mean both racially and body type wise, yes. Though the latter I had only known online and neither of us knew what each other looked like until I flew to NY for a visit.
As a math guy, I’ve got to note that two data points is not much of a sample to draw conclusions from. Unless Becky is also thinking of other people or fictional characters she was attracted to in the past.
Everyone has a type, Becky. The important thing is to figure out the Type advantages you have. If you’re dual typed you might be able to mitigate or even negate a type weakness too. There’s also abilities like Levitate that give you a passive immunity type weaknesses. Also in Generation 9 you can Terastilize and become mono-typed. You may also have a Tera type that is different from your regular type. It can help you in a pinch.
Also, I’d been curious if Becky had talked to Dina before about autism/if Becky knew enough about autism to have that much introductory knowledge on the topic, and sounds like either or both are true.
She (dina) told joyce it took multiple doctors appointments and consultations and such, so i assume i t’d be something she’d bring up with becky that she at least got to have a diagnosis/knew she was ‘diff’ growing up from other ppl
Dina never got an official diagnosis because all the doctors she consulted were racist and assumed her way of speaking was because she’s an immigrant (she’s third generation it seems).
Tangentially, I always wondered about her parents being second generation children of immigrants. So both sets of Dina’s grandparents came to the USA independently, but their children (Dina’s parents) found and married each other. Did they know each other as part of the immigrant Japanese community? was it pure coincidence?
I feel that marginalized/minority groups usually tend to group together/find each other, so they likely weren’t ‘exactly’ in the same community, but became aware of each other through means such as, maybe their mothers were friends due to being immigrants. An example I know of, my town ‘seemingly’ has a lot of deaf residents, but it only seems that way to me due to how deaf individuals have found each other and grouped together out of necessity. My mother was partially deaf and was usually used, both in our neighborhood and at her job, as a translator of sorts to assist customers who used ASL, as well as our neighbor who was deaf.
Exactly, that’s why I have an extremely large set of friends/acquaintances who are trans* in spite of me being cishet to an extreme, they accumulate in my gravity of allyship 😑
Lots of immigrants and children of immigrants also just prefer hanging out with people with similar cultural backgrounds and experiences rather than white people. I (white) married into a Chinese family, but all of my spouse’s cousins have only dated Asian descent folks.
Becky’s a sweet kid, but two is a coincidence, not a pattern. If there is something that Dina and Joyce have in common that specifically appeals to her, I’d say it’s that they’re both deeply earnest.
Eh, earnestness is actually a trait associated with the autistic neurotype.
Like. Being autistic is a neurotype, it forms the foundation of your entire personality. If Becky has heard enough from Dina about what that’s like and is now very rapidly making connections, she might well have good reasons for her assertion.
(If a sufficient proportion of the traits she is attracted to in both Joyce and Becky are associated with the autistic neurotype… which is not unlikely at all! There’s a lot about being autistic to be attracted to)
idk if we’re gonna get more info about her unless becky talks about it but it could just be a close quarters thing like “new girl/friend constantly around while being closeted” and ‘tempted’ even if it wouldn’t have worked out in the long run even without the freakout
That….does legit feel like roughly the same reaction Becky would have if Joyce mentioned any sort of similarity between her and Dina, so kudos on keeping your promise.
I’m not sure if I have a romantic type, but I do know that a ton of my favorite artists and content creators (webcomic creators and vtubers mostly) are either confirmed or likely neurodivergent.
It may not be the flavor of ND that you’re looking for, but Vesper Noir is one of my top faves right now. My guy definitely has depression and anxiety. He talks about going to therapy and it really helping him out. He also really likes biking, camping, building computers, and gardening. He bought a boar hunting spear for retail therapy. He just topped 200k subs on YouTube, so check him out.
Ok, I don’t do this often since I’m not used to people asking, but here goes.
My favorite vtuber, Haruka Karibu, is a green caribou, and she’s autistic. She plays video games a lot and her streams tend to have chill and comfy vibes. She also likes to do funny little skits sometimes. She was independent for over 2 years, and she joined Vshojo a little over a month ago. She tends to hang out in her friends streams a lot when she’s not streaming. She hasn’t streamed in about 3 weeks because she’s been recovering from covid. She streams on Twitch.
I don’t think there is a homogeneous “southern accent.” Tennessee, Alabama and Texas all sound different. I think Becky and Sal could be told apart by accent even if they spoke in exactly the same voice.
Becky’s could be seen as “midwest rural”, but I think it’s more of a style than an accent. It’s all hers. But I do see what you mean.
I’m sorry, but this is just factually inaccurate. Anyone in the USA who lives further south than Chicago, sounds identical to Larry the Cable Guy. There’s a complicated science behind it, and I don’t really understand all the details, but it’s something to do with all the ligma in the water. There’s just so much of it, and it builds up in the body over time, causing very specific shapes in the vocal cords, jaw, and lips, which results in this exact accent. Like I said it’s very complicated.
Can that be a type? I mean, I’ve read from autistic people that they prefer being with and befriending autistic people, but that makes more sense because people with similiar characteristics and problems are more likely to understand you. But if someone is not autistic and says that, it feels weird.
I don’t know if any follow up research was actually done on this, but I recall hearing that another possible factor is, women who have a lot of interpersonal trauma, actually very frequently select autistic partners, as well. The origin of the premise was, somebody was trying to do a study about genetic transmission markers of autism in traumatized mothers, or something like that, but they realized that before they test that, they should first check if it was simply more likely that those women were deliberately seeking out partners with autistic traits, and it seemed as if, in a lot of cases, they were! The leading guesses as to why being, that if you have complex interpersonal needs or boundaries which most people can’t grasp, autistic partners are more pragmatic and focused on respecting that, as long as it’s adequately explained to them what is necessary from them; and, autistic people are, in some cases, just low-impact, low-drama people, and their relatively consistent needs and lack of externalized volatility can be much easier for an otherwise panicky person to deal with, in the day-to-day.
But, like I said, that finding was not the primary subject of the study it came from, and I never checked if it was ever re-studied or expanded upon in any way.
I’m on the spectrum but find my history heavily populated by women with high “EQ”, including my late wife.
As far as “drawn to” i can only offer the observation that my introversion at its peak (a party or gathering with many people whom I don’t or barely know and whom all seem to be enjoying themselves) is often overcome by the outgoing, sociable sort.
I feel that Becky just subconsciously looked for someone with traits similar to Joyce’s. Not to sound harsh but rather than having a Type she was just looking for someone similar to Joyce she could love.
While autistic people can vary a lot in symptom presentation, there are some consistencies which are usually part of the autism stuff which can make them attractive to certain people.
I’d say the type there would be more passionate people or predictable people or something like that more specifically though. Because sometimes people will yawn when you talk about trains for 30 minutes, but sometimes they will see the light in your eyes and go ‘that is a look I want to see forever’.
Sometimes they’ll think routine is boring, sometimes they’ll think it is comfortable to have routines, structures, consistency and to not worry you’ll do something reckless or spontaneously change behaviour for no reason.
I would say it is more traits autistic people tend to have being attractive rather than the autism itself being the main attractive feature personally.
It’s been brought up that Becky may well be ADHD, which kinda goes in the same bucket of “drawn to other neurodivergent people” – like, autistic and ADHD people do understand each other very well.
But even without that, there are plenty of “common autistic” traits that could be attractive to Becky / any given allistic person. Earnestness, straightforwardness, being really into something and loving to talk about it, etc.
Becky’s reaction aside. I’m glad that now they’ve both had time to let thing process and hurts heal a little you’re starting to see their old friendship return. It won’t ever be the same but that basis is still there and that’s good.
Ironically Patreon is more toxic than the main page when it comes to Joyce. Glad Joyce can talk about her sexuality without every comment getting brigaded.
Back before this plot point was introduced, I was like ‘man, I wonder why my brain latches onto and relates to Joyce so much. we have a lot in common except The Main Joyce Thing, the hyperreligious upbringing.’
i think i know now why my brain latches onto and relates to Joyce so much
If I had a nickle for every time I fell in love with a neurodivergent girl; I’d have two nickles.
Which isn’t a lot, but it’s funny it happened twice.
Real talk; I think being in an art and animation background has had me meet and match up with varying types of people, and yes, neurodivergent people at that. I dunno if I have a type; but Becky may be on to something here! lol
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yeah, Becky
GIRLS
we coulda told you that, DUH
A++ Best comment.
Never change, Ana.
She also could have told us that. And she did. Repeatedly. No matter how much we begged
Lotsa pennies dropping this storyline.
… I thought that said penises.
And I was like, yeah, Becky has no interest in picking those up.
Same here 🤣
I did a Stewart Triple Take on that comment because of this same misread 🤣
I saw it too.
Was it ever stated that Dina is cis? 🤔
I think there was a Slipshine which touched on that subject but i haven’t seen it.
Oh, her subject got touched on, alright. Unless she’s had a lot of work done, I’m like 99.9999(repeating, of course)% sure she’s cis.
… that’s pretty standard work for a trans girl in a progressive area, no where close to what I’d consider “a lot” of work done.
Start transitioning before puberty, GRS, and that’s pretty much all she’d need to look how she does if she was trans.
If you are wondering what equipment package is in Dina’s pants, she is definitively the wielder of a vagina.
I’m not sure gender expression is an aspect of her identity that Dina’s yet spent a lot of thought on, though – her neurodivergence, and the associated struggles with social and institutional inflexibility towards that divergence, seem to have occupied most of her thoughts about identity so far. That said, it would not shock me if, down the line, Dina were to arrive at some form of nonbinary gender identity. Not saying I expect that, but it’d be a plausible evolution of her character if it did.
That’s a lot of thoughts!
The autistic type?
i mean, nothing wrong with that as long as it’s not fetishized (and becky isn’t the type to be one of those dudebro fuckbois who are like “i’m attracted to ‘crazy’/mentally unstable women”)
There is a bit of an overlap of trans and autistic ppl, at least on tumblr so becky would prolly find some ppl within the lgbt community that’d also be an aspect of what she’s attracted to
In all honesty it’s probably that, through the years, Becky built up an image of ideal partner in her mind based on Joyce and then, subconsciously, identified lots of the same traits in Dina and fell for her.
This is what I was thinking as well, especially since Becky got together with Dina before she was necessarily fully over Joyce. It makes sense that overlapping traits would attract her.
I would think that her type is the straightforward, doesn’t mince words, “this is who I am for better or worse” type. Both Joyce and Dina are very much who they are. Neither is good at disseminating. Whether from autism or not, Becky’s type might be people who don’t play games. She likes relationships with people who don’t play games and who she can anticipate from one moment to the next. In other words, the exact opposite of the environment she had growing up where her dad was full of hypocrisy and twisting his professed values to serve the agenda that he wanted.
In contrast to her dad, Joyce was always consistent with her faith. She always tried to follow the bible to the best of her ability and tried to adjust her understanding of the bible to meet the standards of what she understood to be right with growing knowledge of the changing world around her. When she was not able to reconcile the whole bible to what she knew to be right, she had to abandon one of them because she is very all-or-nothing. And she chose the one that she thought was genuinely right even though it hurt her to give up everything familiar to her.
Dina embraces the world of facts. Her values and beliefs center fully around empirical evidence. This is something that she has never deviated from because if the evidence points to something else, she goes with it because that is the value attached to science.
I think you mean “dissimulating”, not “disseminating”.
Or maybe “dissembling”.
Thank you, thesaraus dictionary side of the comment section! <3
You are correct. Dissemble is what I was going for.
This brought back a shitty high school memory. I had a crush on a girl who was autistic. I liked how smart and no-nonsense she was. I mentioned it to a (then) friend, who was like “No way, you can’t date her, she’s autistic! Sure, she’ll be easy, but someone just has to tell her that it’s normal to gangbang the whole football team and she’ll do it, she doesn’t know any better!”
Obviously, I now know that nothing about that assessment was true, but I’m ashamed to admit I believed it enough to change my mind about asking her out at the time.
Anyway the moral of the story is high schoolers are stupid and cruel and I’m sorry to anyone who currently is one.
See, that right there. Those are the really hurtful assumptions about us we really need to STOP. 😭
On that note, Joyce x Joe is very much welcome, as we need to do what we can to break the “sexless autistic” stereotype. (-_-)
Yeah, this sounds right. The autistic neurotype can be attractive to someone without fetishism or taking advantage of someone vulnerable or bs like that.
occurred to me, I wonder whether Kaitlin was
😳😳😳
that you do, Becky
way to make it all about you, Becky.
(I’m smiling, honest.)
tbh just glad she didn’t drag it out any longer
Yes, Becky. This revelation is, in fact, entirely about you. Yup. /s
I actually like/appreciate Becky’s response here, and I sincerely hope that Joyce does as well. No reaction to possible autism is just about as perfect a response as one would hope. i.e. I see Becky’s response as a positive confirmation that she could care zero fucks whether Joyce is or isn’t. She’s Joyce, still her BFF, if not love reciprocal.
Joyce’s immediate, expressed concern was about Becky treating her differently, so I actually think a response of “this makes me reflect more on myself than it changes my perception of you” is pretty good.
Honestly came here to say this. Provisionally willing to deal with it if it ends with one fewer person casually stomping all over Joyce in the name of friendship or protecting her from herself or whatever.
I mean, considering it’s about her attraction to Joyce, it the most Joyce-centric reaction Joyce has gotten thus far. Everybody else was pretty much talking out their own issues with Joyce as the rubber ducky.
The comic needed to end with a punchline.
Dumbing of Age Book 13: Are You Gay? You’re Gay, Aintcha
You have to tell me you’re gay if I ask you, right?
Otherwise it’s considered entrapment.
But are traps gay?!?!?
(The slur, the meme, the legend.. ary Natalie Wynn video deconstructing this hate phrase)
Just to be clear, my comment was meant as a joke along the lines of “undercover police have to tell you if you ask, or else it’s considered entrapment” thing, which isn’t true but comes up in media a lot. Wasn’t thinking of the “trap” connection there.
Oh sure sure. obviously. Sorry for seeming to imply that
Also, I’m sorry for using that phrase out of the blue even within the context of linking to Contrapoints. That’s not cool, hope that didn’t trigger anyone. Ok back to my void
Honestly, I figured you got what I meant, but was worried about other people coming along later and being unsure.
Isn’t it more like the opposite of entrapment here?
How about, you have a type for fascinating human beings who can tell you everything you want to know about certain topics? ;-D
😊 I like this one. Thanks Laura.
Tbh this is how I read it. Becky likes women who can talk to her about something that’s important to them, that she might not know as much about.
And are also straightforward, instinctively honest… There’s a lot to like in common autistic traits.
me and the bad bongo I pulled by being autistic
Does Becky actually have an attraction to ladies who may or may not be autistic? Or is this just coincidence?
Also, who else thought she was going to tell Becky about the birth control thing. Or does Becky already know?
She already knows about the bc pills as in she came to comfort Joyce being anxious over it.
becky also knows about the pills because she was present for the conversation immediately preceding this scene where joyce yelled at everyone for hassling her about the pills.
and also for all the conversations before that about learning to take the pills. and the conversation before that about dorothy going with joyce to get the pills and also the conversation before THAT with jennifer where she said joyce should go to the doctor and GET the pills so yeah she knows about the pills XDD
“Ohhh, right. The pills. The pills for Joyce. The pills prescribed specially for Joyce. Joyce’s pills.”
An utterly perfect reference. Thank you.
“Those pills?”
“YES!”
Ah, I had completely forgotten that. Thank you for the reminder.
Likely a coincidence. A sample size of three isn’t very large and even then we have no data on the third being autistic.
Wouldn’t it be ironic … if it turns out the teach is autistic as well.
i dk if she’s mentioned any other chara’s she’s attracted to outside of some fictional examples/celebs, but i suppose it’s the passion/knowledge on things, and i’d assume a neurotypical can be equally as passionate about it without it being a ‘hyperfixation’
She’s been attracted to at least two autistic women now. I’m not sure if that means that’s Becky’s type, or if it’s just a coincidence.
Once is happenstance.
Twice is coincidence.
Three times is … typecasting.
I think she was just in love with Joyce for years and when that didn’t work out she subconsciously recognized that Dina has many of the same traits as Joyce and things went from there.
I’m not sure that’s ultimately different than having a “type.”
That’s just where the type comes from.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if yes Becky had a “type” consisting of traits that have a heavy overlap with / entirely fall within the Venn circle of common autistic neurotype traits. Sincerity, straightforwardness, being strongly “into” something to and past the point of “weirdness” from the point of view of other people (and it’s not unlikely Becky would have thought Joyce knew how she was viewed by others and didn’t give a shit), liking to /talk/ about the thing they’re into, etc.
Like, yeah, there’s a lot of things about being autistic that can easily be attractive to someone who’s into that.
Possible autism traits aside Joyce and Dina do have a lot in common. Not sure how much of that is possible autism but they are very similar so Becky does have a type, and that type is tops.
Joyce is not a top, no way.
Joe sincerely hopes you are incorrect.
I think there is an argument to be made that Joe’s hopes will come true. When he finally confessed his feelings to Joyce, she seemed to delight in the knowledge, and in the fact that she could use it to make him squirm. Not in a malicious way at all, but that she liked being in charge- a fact that she more or less admitted to later, when she said she liked being on top of a social interaction for a change. I think it’ll take a lot of careful exploration, but I’d say the basic impulse is definitely there.
I think she has the energy. This latest semester arc has shown Joyce has a mean and aggressive side, definitely more than Becky does. Given the opportunity she can take charge very easily. Dina on the surface doesn’t seem like a top either but we all know the dinosaur that lurks underneath.
Which one was that, Utahraptor? Seriously, I don’t recall.
That too uwu
—‘Cause something is wrong now
Can something be wrong with me?
Oh brother, why’s it gotta be so Crazy?–Supertramp
Orange
Cat
Brain
Cell
The smartest cat I ever knew was a cream (light orange, almost tan) tabby. Maybe he just hogged the brain cell for 17 years?
ADHD/Autism solidarity at its gayest
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Looking back at my relationship history, I think I have the same type as Becky…
I like the lack of question mark in that last panel.
Also, panel 2: No, Becky. Don’t do this. I get why you’re saying that, but please don’t. It’s not good for you.
Becky has excellent taste, I’m just sayin’.
(They’re just sayin’!)
She reallt does. 😊
…Huh, how did that not click for me sooner?
Well no you don’t Becky, Joyce was probably the only girl in your church group that had the patience to do deal with you and it was a similar situation with Dina
You have it the wrong way around with Dina. Becky stuck with Dina at the party when she was having an autistic meltdown/anxiety attack, and the attraction was mutual from there.
Becky went with the first girl interested in her, it just happened to be Dina.
So if Becky has a type it would be girls, until more data is received
In Beck’s defense here she has hung around with other girls. The cast is mostly women after all, and she hasn’t expressed attraction to any of them beyond her general appreciation for women in general. I think she once made a pass at Sal, but to everyone else she’s been pretty muted when most of them are fair game. Daisy is the lesbian whose type is “women” Becky at least has some loose preferences.
My first thought was no it’s not. Then I counted them and you are correct. by my count there are 8 biological males, 14 biological females and 2 unknowns.
(by the way, please don’t shame me, I’m an old white guy and STILL don’t know all the correct terminology.)
Not shaming, but in interest of education. You wanted just men and women in this sentence, drop the word “biological” altogether. “…there are 8 men, 14 women, and 2 nonbinary people.”
The term “biological male” is used by transphobes as a way to call trans women men. For instance, under that framework, Carla is a “biological male”, but again, it’s a bigoted framework that exists entirely to be transphobic and to deny Carla and people like her their womanhood.
I’m not going to double check your math, but since you counted Malaya and Booster under your nonbinary category rather than under your two “biological” categories, I suspect you put Carla correctly under your woman category (which is correct).
Ultimately, when talking about trans people, just don’t overthink it. Your normal gendered terms, man/woman/nonbinary person, are sufficient to cover trans people in 99% of cases you’ll use. You don’t have to do a bunch of linguistic gymnastics, just say what comes naturally, so long as you’re considering trans people to be the gender they say they are.
And if there’s a need to distinguish beyond the normal gendered terms, “trans” and “cis” are right there. There’s no need for “biological”. As you say, it’s transphobic red flag – isn’t always used that way, but people will suspect.
Becky’s the one who showed interest first and she makes it clear she was flirting before Dina kissed her.
I dont know if i’d call it a “meltdown” (usually those are a lot more serious), but yeah even before then i think Dina kissed her in response to others infantilizing her?
“Shutdown”, maybe.
Having a what, now? 🤨 She was just overstimulated, dude.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking, just another case of the internet taking a word and running with it i guess -_-
I’m autistic, you two are kinda taking a tone here that reads like you think this is some ableist bullshit when, no, not even slightly what I am doing here.
I don’t know about ableist, I just thought it was a bit of an exaggeration.
yeah me too.
Anxiety attack fits, that’s pretty much what mine look like
We have seen multiple characters here with the patience to deal with Becky, even the one she has tried antagonizing. So…no?
LMAO that’s one way to see it! Becky’s not wrong.
Huh. Never thought of it that way, but she’s right.
Quietly wondering if the alt text is referring to Joyce being gay or Becky having a type and secretly hoping it’s both.
That could only tick ONE box, we need to run more tests!
And that’s why Becky has a little type… right alt?
Are you proposing Becky does a science? In PUBLIC?
What? No.
I mean, even doing some social science won’t be feasible… like Joe’s list.
Joyce alluded to confessing something
Panel 5 reminds of this soundbite
Look for anyone in the same boat as Becky who just recently notice your love life is made up of a pattern of people who all share the same disorder. I just want to advise you that for future references please do not put “must be autistic” in your dating profile.
I’ve had that idea too. Both of the women I’ve kissed have been heavy, black, bisexual women. And I wonder if I gravitate to them more or if they gravitate to me more. Do I have a type or does a type have me?
Truly, a question for the ages.
A question best answered by random internet users.
I don’t think I have a type but I could be wildly wrong.
I most definitely do have a type. XD But despite that, all of my girlfriends and partners have only partially matched that type. I’m not sure what would happen if someone matching my type EXACTLY were to show up.
Yeah, my type is women willing to put up with me.
Did you actively pursue them or was it more right place right time thing?
Kind just fell into them to be fair. I’m pretty open to dating just about anyone! Though I will also admit I find several of those aforementioned traits attractive.
OK and have you actively pursued anyone and, if so, did they share the same characteristics?
I’m not being nosey, I’m just seeing if by talking about it you come to some conclusion
My first girlfriend was the first girl I really genuinely asked out. The 2nd is a friend I’ve known for years who I eventually said “Hey would you be ok with hooking up” and her answer was basically “Sure, I don’t mind another notch on my bedpost”. So I guess in both scenarios I initiated.
And were they physically similar?
I mean both racially and body type wise, yes. Though the latter I had only known online and neither of us knew what each other looked like until I flew to NY for a visit.
That’s actually quite interesting
I wonder who could see me as their type, and I wonder what characteristics I am to someone’s type.
Will I ever know? Probably not.
Heavy black bisexual woman are pretty hot
…I’m not just saying this because i too am a heavy black bisexual woman
As a math guy, I’ve got to note that two data points is not much of a sample to draw conclusions from. Unless Becky is also thinking of other people or fictional characters she was attracted to in the past.
But she didn’t draw a conclusion, really. She offered a hypothesis with all the information she had available to her.
Further testing required.
“I did make Suletta Mercury my phone background…”
Becky’s Dad was lucky he did not go Splat when she punched him…
Everyone has a type, Becky. The important thing is to figure out the Type advantages you have. If you’re dual typed you might be able to mitigate or even negate a type weakness too. There’s also abilities like Levitate that give you a passive immunity type weaknesses. Also in Generation 9 you can Terastilize and become mono-typed. You may also have a Tera type that is different from your regular type. It can help you in a pinch.
Becky wants to battle!
*plays “Elite Gym Battle Theme” from Pokemon Kanto
The important thing to remember, any pokemon is a good pokemon if you overlevel!
ACTUALLY laughing out loud on this one. Thanks, Willis.
Me too! Also I have never loved Becky more than in this strip.
A. Good point, but B. Joyce probably could use a little bit of levity here like this.
Also, I’d been curious if Becky had talked to Dina before about autism/if Becky knew enough about autism to have that much introductory knowledge on the topic, and sounds like either or both are true.
She (dina) told joyce it took multiple doctors appointments and consultations and such, so i assume i t’d be something she’d bring up with becky that she at least got to have a diagnosis/knew she was ‘diff’ growing up from other ppl
Dina never got an official diagnosis because all the doctors she consulted were racist and assumed her way of speaking was because she’s an immigrant (she’s third generation it seems).
Tangentially, I always wondered about her parents being second generation children of immigrants. So both sets of Dina’s grandparents came to the USA independently, but their children (Dina’s parents) found and married each other. Did they know each other as part of the immigrant Japanese community? was it pure coincidence?
I feel that marginalized/minority groups usually tend to group together/find each other, so they likely weren’t ‘exactly’ in the same community, but became aware of each other through means such as, maybe their mothers were friends due to being immigrants. An example I know of, my town ‘seemingly’ has a lot of deaf residents, but it only seems that way to me due to how deaf individuals have found each other and grouped together out of necessity. My mother was partially deaf and was usually used, both in our neighborhood and at her job, as a translator of sorts to assist customers who used ASL, as well as our neighbor who was deaf.
Exactly, that’s why I have an extremely large set of friends/acquaintances who are trans* in spite of me being cishet to an extreme, they accumulate in my gravity of allyship 😑
Lots of immigrants and children of immigrants also just prefer hanging out with people with similar cultural backgrounds and experiences rather than white people. I (white) married into a Chinese family, but all of my spouse’s cousins have only dated Asian descent folks.
For no reason at all I feel like reposting this drawing.
https://i.imgur.com/aX0NyXV.png
🥰🥰🥰 splendid as always
On the one hand, that is adorable and possibly Becky’s greatest dream.
On the other hand, I like being cuddled and have no significant other with which to cuddle. So this image makes me happy/sad.
Becky’s having the time of her life.
Dina’s using a contraction, though. Or is that a deliberate characterization choice because she’s comfortable enough with the girls to be informal?
Nah Yoto just did that by accident 😛
Dina uses plenty of contractions.
It’s not like she is Data and cannot use contractions 🙂 .
You outdo yourself oftener than I can imagine.
Becky’s a sweet kid, but two is a coincidence, not a pattern. If there is something that Dina and Joyce have in common that specifically appeals to her, I’d say it’s that they’re both deeply earnest.
Eh, earnestness is actually a trait associated with the autistic neurotype.
Like. Being autistic is a neurotype, it forms the foundation of your entire personality. If Becky has heard enough from Dina about what that’s like and is now very rapidly making connections, she might well have good reasons for her assertion.
(If a sufficient proportion of the traits she is attracted to in both Joyce and Becky are associated with the autistic neurotype… which is not unlikely at all! There’s a lot about being autistic to be attracted to)
What about Becky’s roommate at Wossamatta U or whatever that Fundy school was?
idk if we’re gonna get more info about her unless becky talks about it but it could just be a close quarters thing like “new girl/friend constantly around while being closeted” and ‘tempted’ even if it wouldn’t have worked out in the long run even without the freakout
That….does legit feel like roughly the same reaction Becky would have if Joyce mentioned any sort of similarity between her and Dina, so kudos on keeping your promise.
Becky at the bar: Hey, girl. Are you autistic, cuz I wanna be part of YOUR world. 😏
I’m not sure if I have a romantic type, but I do know that a ton of my favorite artists and content creators (webcomic creators and vtubers mostly) are either confirmed or likely neurodivergent.
Vtubers? Do tell! 😃
I like several, especially the ones in Vshojo and a bunch of independent vtubers. Haruka Karibu is my favorite.
I could go on since vtubers are my major special interest right now, but I’m not used to people actually asking me about my special interests.
Please do! I am very pleased to learn some Vtubers are ND like this! 🥰
It may not be the flavor of ND that you’re looking for, but Vesper Noir is one of my top faves right now. My guy definitely has depression and anxiety. He talks about going to therapy and it really helping him out. He also really likes biking, camping, building computers, and gardening. He bought a boar hunting spear for retail therapy. He just topped 200k subs on YouTube, so check him out.
Ok, I don’t do this often since I’m not used to people asking, but here goes.
My favorite vtuber, Haruka Karibu, is a green caribou, and she’s autistic. She plays video games a lot and her streams tend to have chill and comfy vibes. She also likes to do funny little skits sometimes. She was independent for over 2 years, and she joined Vshojo a little over a month ago. She tends to hang out in her friends streams a lot when she’s not streaming. She hasn’t streamed in about 3 weeks because she’s been recovering from covid. She streams on Twitch.
😍 So awesome! Others?
Vshojo let’s goooo
Ironmouse gang gang
Off: So, in my birthday, it looks like important events are used to happens, like today, and the day we saw Joyce using her glasses first time .
Anyone else read Becky’s lines with a similar southern accent like Sal?
I don’t think there is a homogeneous “southern accent.” Tennessee, Alabama and Texas all sound different. I think Becky and Sal could be told apart by accent even if they spoke in exactly the same voice.
Becky’s could be seen as “midwest rural”, but I think it’s more of a style than an accent. It’s all hers. But I do see what you mean.
I’m sorry, but this is just factually inaccurate. Anyone in the USA who lives further south than Chicago, sounds identical to Larry the Cable Guy. There’s a complicated science behind it, and I don’t really understand all the details, but it’s something to do with all the ligma in the water. There’s just so much of it, and it builds up in the body over time, causing very specific shapes in the vocal cords, jaw, and lips, which results in this exact accent. Like I said it’s very complicated.
. . . really.
Can that be a type? I mean, I’ve read from autistic people that they prefer being with and befriending autistic people, but that makes more sense because people with similiar characteristics and problems are more likely to understand you. But if someone is not autistic and says that, it feels weird.
I don’t know if any follow up research was actually done on this, but I recall hearing that another possible factor is, women who have a lot of interpersonal trauma, actually very frequently select autistic partners, as well. The origin of the premise was, somebody was trying to do a study about genetic transmission markers of autism in traumatized mothers, or something like that, but they realized that before they test that, they should first check if it was simply more likely that those women were deliberately seeking out partners with autistic traits, and it seemed as if, in a lot of cases, they were! The leading guesses as to why being, that if you have complex interpersonal needs or boundaries which most people can’t grasp, autistic partners are more pragmatic and focused on respecting that, as long as it’s adequately explained to them what is necessary from them; and, autistic people are, in some cases, just low-impact, low-drama people, and their relatively consistent needs and lack of externalized volatility can be much easier for an otherwise panicky person to deal with, in the day-to-day.
But, like I said, that finding was not the primary subject of the study it came from, and I never checked if it was ever re-studied or expanded upon in any way.
I’m the opposite of Becky here.
I’m on the spectrum but find my history heavily populated by women with high “EQ”, including my late wife.
As far as “drawn to” i can only offer the observation that my introversion at its peak (a party or gathering with many people whom I don’t or barely know and whom all seem to be enjoying themselves) is often overcome by the outgoing, sociable sort.
PS I’m a cis-het guy, the avatar is only because I really like Alexandria from Between Failures.
I feel that Becky just subconsciously looked for someone with traits similar to Joyce’s. Not to sound harsh but rather than having a Type she was just looking for someone similar to Joyce she could love.
Mmm, I guess?
While autistic people can vary a lot in symptom presentation, there are some consistencies which are usually part of the autism stuff which can make them attractive to certain people.
I’d say the type there would be more passionate people or predictable people or something like that more specifically though. Because sometimes people will yawn when you talk about trains for 30 minutes, but sometimes they will see the light in your eyes and go ‘that is a look I want to see forever’.
Sometimes they’ll think routine is boring, sometimes they’ll think it is comfortable to have routines, structures, consistency and to not worry you’ll do something reckless or spontaneously change behaviour for no reason.
I would say it is more traits autistic people tend to have being attractive rather than the autism itself being the main attractive feature personally.
It’s been brought up that Becky may well be ADHD, which kinda goes in the same bucket of “drawn to other neurodivergent people” – like, autistic and ADHD people do understand each other very well.
But even without that, there are plenty of “common autistic” traits that could be attractive to Becky / any given allistic person. Earnestness, straightforwardness, being really into something and loving to talk about it, etc.
Is it time to finish Dorothy or Jennifer ship, or too soon?
Finally, many things in Becky’s past and present are starting to make sense to her.
Becky’s reaction aside. I’m glad that now they’ve both had time to let thing process and hurts heal a little you’re starting to see their old friendship return. It won’t ever be the same but that basis is still there and that’s good.
Ok, that’s a great punchline 😀
Ironically Patreon is more toxic than the main page when it comes to Joyce. Glad Joyce can talk about her sexuality without every comment getting brigaded.
I wonder if the girl she was caught making out with at that religious school was also somewhere on the spectrum
We didn’t get enough pages with her to be sure, but it’s a possibility. She would have had to have several more than one line to be sure.
Back before this plot point was introduced, I was like ‘man, I wonder why my brain latches onto and relates to Joyce so much. we have a lot in common except The Main Joyce Thing, the hyperreligious upbringing.’
i think i know now why my brain latches onto and relates to Joyce so much
Alright, I actually laughed at that one because, well, she isn’t wrong
It was genuinely rather delightful.
If I had a nickle for every time I fell in love with a neurodivergent girl; I’d have two nickles.
Which isn’t a lot, but it’s funny it happened twice.
Real talk; I think being in an art and animation background has had me meet and match up with varying types of people, and yes, neurodivergent people at that. I dunno if I have a type; but Becky may be on to something here! lol
And here we see Becky realizing she’s the bad bongo Joyce and Dina pulled by being autistic.
This seems a fair/unfair characterization, to Becky, Jocye, and Dina, leaning to the unfair more, methinks.
i, too, love cute awkward girls that dont understand social norms <3
I don’t think I’ve had a pattern of attraction but as a neurodivergent person too being with someone on the spectrum is A+
They’re too specific and I’m not specific enough and we average out nicely
How very Becky, making it about herself 😉
But hey, SO damn relatable. I also gravitate towards fellow neurodivergent enby people.
I must commend Willis on the sheer autistry of this webcomic