This might be one of Those Comments, but how would two inexperienced women go about determining where “enjoying themselves without actually having sex” ends and “actually having sex” begins?
The deleniation seems much less clear than it would be for a heterosexual pair.
Honestly, I feel like trying to draw a line in the sand between “this sexual activity isn’t really sex” and “this sexually activity is really sex” feels foolish. If two or more people are engaging in mutual touching with the intent of getting off, I’d argue that’s sex.
This still requires clarification regarding whether the getting-off must also be mutual for it to count.
Because then “giving cunnilingus” and/or “taking turns with cunnilingus” would not count, but “simultaneous cunnilingus via the Sixty-Nine formation” is what would bring it into the Naughty Zone.
Cunnilingus.
Also, the bigger question is what Becky— with her religiously-defined ideas of “sex must wait until marriage”– considers it to be, especially since marriage up until recently was defined in heteronormative terms.
Imagine you grew up in the 80’s 90’s, with discussing sex being common on TV, and most of TV originating from the US.
Now imagine the whole is translated in country where no one knows how baseball is really played, dubbed in a language baseball terms don’t exist.
I guess xkcd does a pretty good job of explaining how absurd are sex, arousing, and baseball.
But you also grow up without knowing how complicated baseball is. You here there is like what 3 bases and a finish. So even if you don’t get exactly what those are supposed to correspond to your local sub-environment, probably school since we are growing up will assign something to those three and that’s what you think the system is until you get internet or talk to someone from a different social grouping.
I’m not sure to understand what you are talking about…
Are you talking about baseball?
Bases?
Metaphers?
Eros and its language?
See, just add baseball in a conversation: instant confusion.
Next we will do cricket.
I think that’s where proper communication comes in. They’re both mature enough to have some proper sexual education. Maybe not for Becky but the limits of her knowledge is a conversation itself. But ultimately she has the most control here. Especialky since Dina doesn’t have the same religious baggage. Crossing the line can be almost literally wherever Becky decides it.
Based on Joyce’s sex dream where Ethan held something vaguely resembling Sarah’s dildo and literally rubbed it on her belly – I think it’s safe to say Becky and Joyce have no idea what sex is but are loosely aware clothes need to stay on to stay chaste.
Becky hasn’t been in college a whole semester. She started off in a rigidly strict religious school. Then she was in hiding after being kicked out. Then she was running a political campaign. Then she was kidnapped by her dad. Then she had to catch up on 12 years’ science education to be able to keep up in her major.
I think it’s reasonable to think she hasn’t been watching too much porn.
Of course it’s anybody’s guess how much truth there was to that. When it comes to rumors of odd or depraved sexual practices, it’s always “those guys over there” who do it. Just see how the English, Irish, Scots and Welsh all love to accuse each other of an excessive fondness for sheep, for one example.
One explanation/hypothesis for the sheep thing was that the legal penalty for bestiality was lesser than that for livestock theft, so folks would “plead down” to sheep schtuppin’. Dunno how likely that is, given that the social penalty might be relatively severe, unless it was a common enough nod-and-a-wink situation.
Yes, this is far stronger evidence that the English men making the joke understood about “God’s loophole” than that the Spanish women they told it about did.
I guess I always just considered heterosexual penetration “sex” given that it has the very important difference of risking pregnancy. Everything else fell under various grades “sexual activity”, “makin luv”, etc.
This isn’t to diminish anything else from an emotional or legal perspective, but I guess the word loses utility from a functional/biological perspective if you dilute it.
so i’m thinking maybe Willis will take pity on us this time and choose to merely celebrate Valentine’s Day by cutting to Sarah and Liz being silently grumpy at each other for a single strip before returning to Bex and Dina
I think it is less that she has a sexiness limit and more her recognizing she is in the way. Also I think she just doesn’t want to be without her computer.
Okay, point taken. Come to think of it, almost every game livestream I’ve ever seen (not that I’ve ever watched many streamers at all) has also lacked a facecam. I take my comment back. 😛
And then there’s the thing where people make cartoon avatars with different poses based on whether or not the audio is on, or whatever. And Amber would be 100% capable of setting that kind of thing up.
I’m really mixed-feeling on it, but it’s definitely a thing.
I feel Amber is talented enough to make an avatar that actually mimics her movements and speach. Ive seen a couple and theyre so damned cute when done well.
This does make me wonder what god lets you get away with. Like sex before marriage is a no go, but that itself can depend on how you define it. Like is G.O.D. cool with bj’s? Oral of any kind? What about grinding and over the clothes hand stuff? Like hypothetically Becks and Dina could have a fun time and keep her chastity intact.
Doesn’t work that way. You’re still telling them to act in ways that indulge their lust, when Christianity considers lustful acts themselves (outside marriage) to be a sin.
Depends on Becky’s personal beliefs, her church’s teachings and her willingness to seek loopholes to justify what she wants.
Plenty of fundie Christian kids avoid intercourse on religious grounds, but still engage in various kinds of sexual activity. This is still frowned on by their churches, but horny teens will take excuses where they can find them.
Every individuals sinner has excuses for their sins, the fact that “it still frowned on by their churches” is the bit you should be focusing on. These aren’t loopholes except in the mind of the people who do them.
Their churches are NOT telling them “It’s okay to have premarital anal sex, it’s okay to have premarital blowjobs” — if they were you could link to their official pages explaining to them the doctrine that it’s perfectly okay to do these things.
I think you’re much more likely to find churches that say that premarital sex is okay, PERIOD (with some caveats, like it being in done in a spirit of love, etc), than to find churches who say that premarital vaginal sex is not okay, but premarital oral sex totally is.
From what I understand God lets you get away with literally anything as long as you apologize for it. Just a big fat “My bad” before you take the dirt nap.
Yeah bruh!!! They can masturbate in front of each other! As long as they’re not touching each other, Becky’s chastity will remain 10 billion percent intact!!! 😛😛😛
Not really a thing in the bible.
There’s a bit about not spilling your seed, but that was specifically about giving your dead brother an heir by sex with his wife.
Becky and Joyce even referenced (the prelude to) that particular biblical story, with Becky making Joyce promise via text message to marry Dina in the event that Becky herself died unexpectedly.
The bible lacks a lot of what the Church says it has in it, its been changed so much, and things taken out of context, its ridiculous. The only reason Sex after Marriage and the LGBT+ community is hated by the church is because the Romans were all over that stuff. Jesus was friends with a Prostitute, I don’t think he actually had a issue with sex at all.
Just imagine Mary hanging out with Jesus talking about the crazy night she’s had and he’s like “haha, that’s crazy Mary. You sure have a wild life. Oh yeah tomorrow’s the sabbath, let’s pray together.”
Short answer, male masturbation is frowned upon as reducing the chances of impregnating women, female masturbation has no effect on women getting pregnant so gets ignored;
so, i donated sperm once and i was asked not to ejaculate for 3-5 days before the donation. Sperm are generated constantly in the testes but semen may contain a greater or lesser amount of them per unit of volume, and therefore be somewhat less likely to lead to fertilization.
Though this is only a short term effect and broad bans on masturbation even when people aren’t in a position to get anyone pregnant – like not having a woman to have sex with, won’t do anything for fertility when they finally do have the chance.
One could argue that denying masturbation as well as premarital sex could lead to kids marrying earlier and thus having more children that way.
Mostly though, I think all the justifications are post-hoc. Or might possibly be tied to how the taboos started originally, but they’ve been broadened and twisted and changed so many times over the centuries, it’s hard to link them to any practical purpose. They’re taboos. There may be a source, which might or might not have made sense back then, but now it’s just a taboo that’s held to because it’s the taboo.
It varies from Christianity to Christianity. They were pretty blasé about masturbation until the invention of monasticism, when it became a no-no for monks because of being self-indulgent and a breach of the ascetic ideal of self-denial. Then monks did most of the writing and made it a sin per se. Some early Protestant writers — I kid you not — argued that masturbation was a worse sin than heterosexual rape (but not as bad as rape of men by men). Since about 1900 most Christianities have been getting gradual more chill about it, with Quakers in the vanguard and the Catholics bringing up the rear, so that the position now ranges from “it’s not a very serious or important sin” to “Meh. I dunno that it is actuall a sin at all. Just don’t use porn or fantasise while you’re wanking.”. I understand that American-style Biblical literalists are moslty pretty far along in the “it isn’t actually mentioned in the Bible, so it can’t be important, unlike fantasising” direction.
i’ll just kind of repeat what i said yesterday, but i think many believers don’t view these issues in terms of “what can i get away with”. Well maybe if, like Joyce you (used to) believe that the Bible was somehow this guidebook for a righteous life, but i don’t think that’s how Becky sees it.
Instead, the way i grew up, you think of self-discipline as a virtue in and of itself. it might have less to do with specific acts than with the practice of controlling and reining in your desires and impulses whatever they may be.
incidentally religions don’t have a monopoly on this sort of philosophy. people might come to it from secular perspectives as well.
If you seriously want to know what Christianity says, then it says to control your passions, to be chaste, to not act in passionate lust, and if you can’t be chaste in the above manner, then to marry so that you act like that only towards your spouse.
It does NOT say to indulge your lust all the way up to some specific act that you are disallowed of doing, it says to NOT indulge it, to NOT act in lust.
I mean if that’s the case then Becky has already sinned, probably countless times since just seeing Dina’s shoulders or her scalp gives Becky lustful thoughts. She just hasn’t acted on them yet but spiritually the game was lost a long time ago.
“What god lets you get away with” seems highly dependent on what god a person believes in and what their own personal hangups about sex are due to their upbringing. It definitely makes me glad I wasn’t raised very religious and became an atheist several years ago. I don’t have most of the hangups about sex that a lot of religious people have, though my own social awkwardness and difficulty telling when someone is into me means I still haven’t had sex anyway.
Catholically speaking, all foreplay is acceptable. And everything that happens before penis-finish-in-vagina is foreplay. Which is the sort of thing that’s only restrictive if you’re heterosexual or imaginative. There’s a lot of things you can still technically do if you’re worried. And a lot more if you’re not.
I suspect many Catholics differ on that. Certainly on whether sex that doesn’t involve one person with a penis and one person with a vagina is acceptable.
“Catholically speaking, all foreplay is acceptable”
I don’t think so. What I am reading when I google what Catholicism says I find thing like:
“Lust is listed first in the Catechism in the “Offenses against chastity.” No. 2351, states, “Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes” (emphasis added). Sexual pleasure is always and ultimately ordered to procreation and the union of spouses. Sexual acts cannot be isolated from the primary end of procreation (this doesn’t mean that spouses can only have sex if they are trying to have a baby). Neither can sexual acts be isolated from their unitive meaning, which is objectively possible only in marriage.”
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So, no. In catholicism you’re not allowed to have foreplay without also then having penis-in-vagina sex, which is itself again allowed only within heterosexual marriage.
Yes, that is exactly what I said. All foreplay is acceptable, so long as it is foreplay for penis-in-vagina sex which is what foreplay is and also what heterosexual sex is if you only accept a rigid gender binary, which the Catholic Church does as far as I know. I also didn’t feel the need to get into “no sex before marriage” and abstinence and the horribly vile practice of onanism. But that’s a lot of words to clarify every point in a webcomic comment section.
I mean I’ve heard the Catholics do anal while saving themselves for Jesus.
And then you have the Mormons with derfing (grinding through jeans) and soaking which is. Literally just sex without hip movement (penis placed in the vagina and just stays there, if you’re lucky you can get a friend to jump on the bed so movement happens. I am not making this up.)
If there’s anything people are good at it’s finding loopholes to their own arbitrary rules
“I mean I’ve heard the Catholics do anal while saving themselves for Jesus.”
The thing about Catholicism is that unlike Protestantism they have an official church and official dogma and official clergy to answer these questions, and you can find out what the official stance of the Catholic Church is.
The Catholic Church has been very clear about ANY sexual contact between unmarried people.
Hey good choice actually. ’cause I just realized something important, scatterbrained me!!! 😅
Becky really wants her girlfriend to be just as horny for her as she is, for the sake of her security.
When Becky finds out Dina’s fetish, which may very well be something seemingly mundane, what’s the first thing she’s gonna think about doing with that information?
This really isn’t a a trap for Becky. It’s gonna be a trap for Dina! 😱
I am quite curious to see what the results of Dina’s “research” will be. I had thought that perhaps she was demisexual (someone who requires a strong emotional connection before they can feel sexual desire), but the way she’s talking about it suggests that rather, she instead has very specific fetishes that trigger sexual arousal, and that she otherwise does not experience sexual attraction to conventional arousal triggers.
Then again, any research would mean that Becky has to get involved in pre-marital hanky panky, and I think she’s still not ready to take that final step yet.
Willis specifically tweeted that Dina’s wearing a grey shirt with the ace flag was 100% deliberate, though, so it certainly wasn’t an accident in her case.
I like to think Becky was trying on her pink coat in the store and didn’t really like it, but someone pointed out that with her white scarf it basically makes her a walking lesbian flag and she bought it immediately
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*comes back for gamepad* “sorry”
*comes back for headset* “no really I’m gone now”
Could you stop swinging a bat at my ankles? I’m trying to vacate so they can do their thing.
To be fair they might not even notice her, they haven’t reacted to anything she has said thus far.
Becky at least seems pretty distracted
I don’t think Becky’s brain is capable of processing the outside world at this point.
Becky is too distracted right now to notice Amber.
While Dina is way too focused to notice her presence.
It’s an interesting case of opposite extremes being basically the same. 😀
Amber’s there for peer review
And Dina is focused.
ON SCIENCE.
– Laptop charger.
– USB cables
– Mouse
– …
I don’t need any of this! I don’t need anything… Except this lamp.
This is almost the polar opposite of The Marx Brothers’ famous stateroom scene in Night at the Opera.
Oh, is this happening now? I didn’t think it’d be so soon
kinda seems like we might actually get a slipshine now.
Becky might not want to do the deed until they are married but I’m sure Dina has some ideas for them to enjoy without actually having sex.
This might be one of Those Comments, but how would two inexperienced women go about determining where “enjoying themselves without actually having sex” ends and “actually having sex” begins?
The deleniation seems much less clear than it would be for a heterosexual pair.
I agree, but I think that anything above the waist and/or over clothes could probably be considered “not sex.”
That’s a fair point. If I had to determine that line in the sand, I think it would be no mutual genital contact/no using a strap-on/dildo.
No idea if that is an ok line in the sand but we should get more opinions on this rather than just mine.
As a queer person, I think that’s a very limiting line in the sand haha.
(Though I’m one of those people who’d call basically anything mutually arousing sex, so I acknowledge other people may disagree with my definition.)
Kissing is commonly mutually arousing, but rarely considered sex.
Honestly, I feel like trying to draw a line in the sand between “this sexual activity isn’t really sex” and “this sexually activity is really sex” feels foolish. If two or more people are engaging in mutual touching with the intent of getting off, I’d argue that’s sex.
This still requires clarification regarding whether the getting-off must also be mutual for it to count.
Because then “giving cunnilingus” and/or “taking turns with cunnilingus” would not count, but “simultaneous cunnilingus via the Sixty-Nine formation” is what would bring it into the Naughty Zone.
Cunnilingus.
Also, the bigger question is what Becky— with her religiously-defined ideas of “sex must wait until marriage”– considers it to be, especially since marriage up until recently was defined in heteronormative terms.
Yeah. Historically, this was all very much tied to virginity and specifically to the evidence of virginity in women.
There, as always, is an xkcd for this sort of question: https://xkcd.com/540/
Imagine you grew up in the 80’s 90’s, with discussing sex being common on TV, and most of TV originating from the US.
Now imagine the whole is translated in country where no one knows how baseball is really played, dubbed in a language baseball terms don’t exist.
I guess xkcd does a pretty good job of explaining how absurd are sex, arousing, and baseball.
But you also grow up without knowing how complicated baseball is. You here there is like what 3 bases and a finish. So even if you don’t get exactly what those are supposed to correspond to your local sub-environment, probably school since we are growing up will assign something to those three and that’s what you think the system is until you get internet or talk to someone from a different social grouping.
I’m not sure to understand what you are talking about…
Are you talking about baseball?
Bases?
Metaphers?
Eros and its language?
See, just add baseball in a conversation: instant confusion.
Next we will do cricket.
“That’s not fair! Nobody understands cricket!”
“sharing root PWs” XD
I think that’s where proper communication comes in. They’re both mature enough to have some proper sexual education. Maybe not for Becky but the limits of her knowledge is a conversation itself. But ultimately she has the most control here. Especialky since Dina doesn’t have the same religious baggage. Crossing the line can be almost literally wherever Becky decides it.
Based on Joyce’s sex dream where Ethan held something vaguely resembling Sarah’s dildo and literally rubbed it on her belly – I think it’s safe to say Becky and Joyce have no idea what sex is but are loosely aware clothes need to stay on to stay chaste.
i mean, it’s been a whole semester. their eyes have been opened by now.
And we know Joyce has done enough research to draw something that was at least recognizable as a ding-dong.
Becky hasn’t been in college a whole semester. She started off in a rigidly strict religious school. Then she was in hiding after being kicked out. Then she was running a political campaign. Then she was kidnapped by her dad. Then she had to catch up on 12 years’ science education to be able to keep up in her major.
I think it’s reasonable to think she hasn’t been watching too much porn.
The problem arises of Becky *after* the fact panics all like ‘oh whoops what if that counted?’.
It’s not clear for heterosexual people either. See “The Loophole” by Garfunkel and Oates (song on Youtube, no nudity, very NSFW lyrics)
TLDR when God said “No sex before marriage” maybe God didn’t mean to include anal sex?
This is an ancient speculation, which gave raise to the Eighteenth-Century joke that Spanish ladies were “virgins in front and martyrs behind”.
Of course it’s anybody’s guess how much truth there was to that. When it comes to rumors of odd or depraved sexual practices, it’s always “those guys over there” who do it. Just see how the English, Irish, Scots and Welsh all love to accuse each other of an excessive fondness for sheep, for one example.
One explanation/hypothesis for the sheep thing was that the legal penalty for bestiality was lesser than that for livestock theft, so folks would “plead down” to sheep schtuppin’. Dunno how likely that is, given that the social penalty might be relatively severe, unless it was a common enough nod-and-a-wink situation.
Yes, this is far stronger evidence that the English men making the joke understood about “God’s loophole” than that the Spanish women they told it about did.
I guess I always just considered heterosexual penetration “sex” given that it has the very important difference of risking pregnancy. Everything else fell under various grades “sexual activity”, “makin luv”, etc.
This isn’t to diminish anything else from an emotional or legal perspective, but I guess the word loses utility from a functional/biological perspective if you dilute it.
If it has sex in the name it’s sex. Oral sex is sex, but fingerings is OK with Jesus?
So if I just change the words, it’s okay?
Oral sex is sex, but blowjobs and cunnilingus aren’t?
sodomyyyyyy
fellaaatioooo
cuuunnilinguuus
pederastyyyy
oh, father! why do these words sound so nasty?
We’ll see if they make it past Valentine’s Day, there’s a lot of potential wrenches here
and if they don’t go through the full scientific method during it then I will be severely blue-balled
And no that isn’t a sexual innuendo, for clarification :p
You mean it *wasn’t*.
Well…
I mean, seeking peer review might be a little too ‘Joe/Roz’ for them…
… now I’m wondering if Willis is planning to release something on Valentines Day.
Willis? Do something positive that’s couples-related on Valentines’ Day??
Yeah judging by that trend AND one preview from April, you can 10 billion percent count on a Slipshine NOT being released this month :/
Never tell me the odds!
One of these days we’re gonna get a Valentine’s Day strip about Hank and Carol’s divorce proceedings.
I dont recall Rose saying it was going to be positive?
OH GOD
Why would you remind me that valentine’s day is approaching?
nonononononononononononononononononono
so i’m thinking maybe Willis will take pity on us this time and choose to merely celebrate Valentine’s Day by cutting to Sarah and Liz being silently grumpy at each other for a single strip before returning to Bex and Dina
@Thag “didn’t think itd be so soon”
yeah that’s so out of the blue, you’d think that would’ve been foreshadowed a wee bit
GET EXCITED!!!
🧬 🌌🌌 🧠🧠 😈 😆😆 😈 🧠🧠 🌌🌌 🧬
You’re all about to witness the TRUE POWER of Dina.
You’re about to witness the TRUE POWER of SCIENCE!
A POWER that can be used to improve EVERYONE’S lives!!!
And it’s about to improve Becky’s life!!!
*plays “Good Morning World!!!” by the BURNOUT SYNDROMES on Hacked Muzak*
I really enjoy that anime.
I’m going to be slightly disappointed if the Slipshine involving those two isn’t named “Scientific Method”.
“sexiness” at a million percent!
excuse you TEN BILLION percent
It took me like a minute to realize this wasn’t an ad
Never has science been this sexy, this is what it means to go beyond.
Love is in the air for those two and those two only.
Amber has a sexiness limit? Hm.
I think it is less that she has a sexiness limit and more her recognizing she is in the way. Also I think she just doesn’t want to be without her computer.
Isn’t Pants Euphoria that spin-off to that one HBO show?
The wifi is probably better in the common area anyway.
Ya better, cause if it stayed, this laptop would have seeeeen things…
Amber writes guro fic. It already has.
Amber has definitely taped over her laptop camera, it ain’t seeing a damn thing
She’d be a pretty weird livestreamer who only does audio, then.
I resent that. I livestream without a webcam, you can hear my voice and the gameplay but not see me and that is perfectly fine.
Okay, point taken. Come to think of it, almost every game livestream I’ve ever seen (not that I’ve ever watched many streamers at all) has also lacked a facecam. I take my comment back. 😛
And then there’s the thing where people make cartoon avatars with different poses based on whether or not the audio is on, or whatever. And Amber would be 100% capable of setting that kind of thing up.
I’m really mixed-feeling on it, but it’s definitely a thing.
I feel Amber is talented enough to make an avatar that actually mimics her movements and speach. Ive seen a couple and theyre so damned cute when done well.
As seen recently in Questionable Content
Let’s see them beat this!
Who streams from their laptop webcam? A cheap USB webcam costs like twenty bucks, tops, and it’s not even mandatory to show your face
she could just have what i have, which is a lil plastic slider window over her webcam instead of tape so it’s still usable
This does make me wonder what god lets you get away with. Like sex before marriage is a no go, but that itself can depend on how you define it. Like is G.O.D. cool with bj’s? Oral of any kind? What about grinding and over the clothes hand stuff? Like hypothetically Becks and Dina could have a fun time and keep her chastity intact.
That’s what I was saying, there is plenty of ways for them to enjoy themselves. There’s plenty of ground on 3 bases before you make it to home.
Doesn’t work that way. You’re still telling them to act in ways that indulge their lust, when Christianity considers lustful acts themselves (outside marriage) to be a sin.
Depends on Becky’s personal beliefs, her church’s teachings and her willingness to seek loopholes to justify what she wants.
Plenty of fundie Christian kids avoid intercourse on religious grounds, but still engage in various kinds of sexual activity. This is still frowned on by their churches, but horny teens will take excuses where they can find them.
Every individuals sinner has excuses for their sins, the fact that “it still frowned on by their churches” is the bit you should be focusing on. These aren’t loopholes except in the mind of the people who do them.
Their churches are NOT telling them “It’s okay to have premarital anal sex, it’s okay to have premarital blowjobs” — if they were you could link to their official pages explaining to them the doctrine that it’s perfectly okay to do these things.
I think you’re much more likely to find churches that say that premarital sex is okay, PERIOD (with some caveats, like it being in done in a spirit of love, etc), than to find churches who say that premarital vaginal sex is not okay, but premarital oral sex totally is.
From what I understand God lets you get away with literally anything as long as you apologize for it. Just a big fat “My bad” before you take the dirt nap.
“My bad” and six Hail Marys.
In theory, you have to actually repent, not just apologize.
Yeah bruh!!! They can masturbate in front of each other! As long as they’re not touching each other, Becky’s chastity will remain 10 billion percent intact!!! 😛😛😛
Isn’t masturbation frowned upon by christianity or is that just a weird hangup christians have and not like…a thing in the bible?
The only passage I can recall is that involving the “seed upon the earth” or some crap.
Nothing about women fapping AFAIK but Becky probably doesn’t follow the bible.
Why would she still be against even that then? Who knows? But I’m still holding out on my Chastity Fetish Hypothesis bruh 😛😛😛
Not really a thing in the bible.
There’s a bit about not spilling your seed, but that was specifically about giving your dead brother an heir by sex with his wife.
It’s often taken extremely out of context.
Becky and Joyce even referenced (the prelude to) that particular biblical story, with Becky making Joyce promise via text message to marry Dina in the event that Becky herself died unexpectedly.
Ah yes, the Bro code section of the bible.
The bible lacks a lot of what the Church says it has in it, its been changed so much, and things taken out of context, its ridiculous. The only reason Sex after Marriage and the LGBT+ community is hated by the church is because the Romans were all over that stuff. Jesus was friends with a Prostitute, I don’t think he actually had a issue with sex at all.
Just imagine Mary hanging out with Jesus talking about the crazy night she’s had and he’s like “haha, that’s crazy Mary. You sure have a wild life. Oh yeah tomorrow’s the sabbath, let’s pray together.”
Tell me about it slick!!!
At least not a millimeter of that crap has a place in the Kingdom of Science!
Joyce and Becky would LOVE it there!!! 🤘😆✌️ ⚗️🧬 🌌 🐙 😈 👾
Kingdom, or science?
Short answer, male masturbation is frowned upon as reducing the chances of impregnating women, female masturbation has no effect on women getting pregnant so gets ignored;
Does it really “reduce the chances”, even? I don’t think that’s how physics works.
so, i donated sperm once and i was asked not to ejaculate for 3-5 days before the donation. Sperm are generated constantly in the testes but semen may contain a greater or lesser amount of them per unit of volume, and therefore be somewhat less likely to lead to fertilization.
So what you’re saying is, coomers can’t breed.
Though this is only a short term effect and broad bans on masturbation even when people aren’t in a position to get anyone pregnant – like not having a woman to have sex with, won’t do anything for fertility when they finally do have the chance.
One could argue that denying masturbation as well as premarital sex could lead to kids marrying earlier and thus having more children that way.
Mostly though, I think all the justifications are post-hoc. Or might possibly be tied to how the taboos started originally, but they’ve been broadened and twisted and changed so many times over the centuries, it’s hard to link them to any practical purpose. They’re taboos. There may be a source, which might or might not have made sense back then, but now it’s just a taboo that’s held to because it’s the taboo.
It varies from Christianity to Christianity. They were pretty blasé about masturbation until the invention of monasticism, when it became a no-no for monks because of being self-indulgent and a breach of the ascetic ideal of self-denial. Then monks did most of the writing and made it a sin per se. Some early Protestant writers — I kid you not — argued that masturbation was a worse sin than heterosexual rape (but not as bad as rape of men by men). Since about 1900 most Christianities have been getting gradual more chill about it, with Quakers in the vanguard and the Catholics bringing up the rear, so that the position now ranges from “it’s not a very serious or important sin” to “Meh. I dunno that it is actuall a sin at all. Just don’t use porn or fantasise while you’re wanking.”. I understand that American-style Biblical literalists are moslty pretty far along in the “it isn’t actually mentioned in the Bible, so it can’t be important, unlike fantasising” direction.
i’ll just kind of repeat what i said yesterday, but i think many believers don’t view these issues in terms of “what can i get away with”. Well maybe if, like Joyce you (used to) believe that the Bible was somehow this guidebook for a righteous life, but i don’t think that’s how Becky sees it.
Instead, the way i grew up, you think of self-discipline as a virtue in and of itself. it might have less to do with specific acts than with the practice of controlling and reining in your desires and impulses whatever they may be.
incidentally religions don’t have a monopoly on this sort of philosophy. people might come to it from secular perspectives as well.
This old man is having flashbacks to Bill Clinton and his redefining BJ’s as “not sex”. “I did not have sex with that woman!”
If you seriously want to know what Christianity says, then it says to control your passions, to be chaste, to not act in passionate lust, and if you can’t be chaste in the above manner, then to marry so that you act like that only towards your spouse.
It does NOT say to indulge your lust all the way up to some specific act that you are disallowed of doing, it says to NOT indulge it, to NOT act in lust.
Sounds lame. Sounds like a boring Saturday night.
You were never promised non-lameness.
Boy, Christianity could use a better sales pitch.
I mean if that’s the case then Becky has already sinned, probably countless times since just seeing Dina’s shoulders or her scalp gives Becky lustful thoughts. She just hasn’t acted on them yet but spiritually the game was lost a long time ago.
“What god lets you get away with” seems highly dependent on what god a person believes in and what their own personal hangups about sex are due to their upbringing. It definitely makes me glad I wasn’t raised very religious and became an atheist several years ago. I don’t have most of the hangups about sex that a lot of religious people have, though my own social awkwardness and difficulty telling when someone is into me means I still haven’t had sex anyway.
Catholically speaking, all foreplay is acceptable. And everything that happens before penis-finish-in-vagina is foreplay. Which is the sort of thing that’s only restrictive if you’re heterosexual or imaginative. There’s a lot of things you can still technically do if you’re worried. And a lot more if you’re not.
*unimaginative.
I suspect many Catholics differ on that. Certainly on whether sex that doesn’t involve one person with a penis and one person with a vagina is acceptable.
“Catholically speaking, all foreplay is acceptable”
I don’t think so. What I am reading when I google what Catholicism says I find thing like:
“Lust is listed first in the Catechism in the “Offenses against chastity.” No. 2351, states, “Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes” (emphasis added). Sexual pleasure is always and ultimately ordered to procreation and the union of spouses. Sexual acts cannot be isolated from the primary end of procreation (this doesn’t mean that spouses can only have sex if they are trying to have a baby). Neither can sexual acts be isolated from their unitive meaning, which is objectively possible only in marriage.”
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So, no. In catholicism you’re not allowed to have foreplay without also then having penis-in-vagina sex, which is itself again allowed only within heterosexual marriage.
Yes, that is exactly what I said. All foreplay is acceptable, so long as it is foreplay for penis-in-vagina sex which is what foreplay is and also what heterosexual sex is if you only accept a rigid gender binary, which the Catholic Church does as far as I know. I also didn’t feel the need to get into “no sex before marriage” and abstinence and the horribly vile practice of onanism. But that’s a lot of words to clarify every point in a webcomic comment section.
It was misleading because the post you replied to was talking about doing these things instead of PiV and whether that was cool by religious standards
That’s going to give Becky so much room to act in the moment and so much to feel guilty over afterwards.
I mean I’ve heard the Catholics do anal while saving themselves for Jesus.
And then you have the Mormons with derfing (grinding through jeans) and soaking which is. Literally just sex without hip movement (penis placed in the vagina and just stays there, if you’re lucky you can get a friend to jump on the bed so movement happens. I am not making this up.)
If there’s anything people are good at it’s finding loopholes to their own arbitrary rules
“I mean I’ve heard the Catholics do anal while saving themselves for Jesus.”
The thing about Catholicism is that unlike Protestantism they have an official church and official dogma and official clergy to answer these questions, and you can find out what the official stance of the Catholic Church is.
The Catholic Church has been very clear about ANY sexual contact between unmarried people.
Huh. This plan might actually work.
Just don’t forget to write it down.
Particularly since Amber actually seems to have left. You won’t have her to do it for you.
Really making me wanna draw more Becky and Dina but I’ve more or less exhausted all the stuff I wanted to draw with them.
Have you experienced the great art form that is known as Futanari? If not you have a well of untapped ideas. :V
Funatari!?!?! At that rate, you might as well make a Chastity Belt Manga, given how Becky’s basically already committed to that! 🤣🤣🤣
I am well aware but not all that interested in this instance. The fun for DOA stuff is keeping it as close to canon as I can.
You’re edging yourself on allowed horny expression. I can dig it.
Hey good choice actually. ’cause I just realized something important, scatterbrained me!!! 😅
Becky really wants her girlfriend to be just as horny for her as she is, for the sake of her security.
When Becky finds out Dina’s fetish, which may very well be something seemingly mundane, what’s the first thing she’s gonna think about doing with that information?
This really isn’t a a trap for Becky. It’s gonna be a trap for Dina! 😱
I went to the the imgur you posted Tuesday and can’t see it. Is it still available? I may be hiccupping on it.
If you need your fix, it’s my current grav.
That will do nicely, thx.
https://i.imgur.com/lg9zXXG.png
This one?
Welp, good thing I waited until I wasn’t at work.
Dina doing something For Science! is always worth the wait.
Take the tower too.
They’ll be a while.
I’m really trying hard to think of some kinda Demisexual Dina Dinosaur pun, but nothing’s coming to me. Anyone got any ideas?
“Saruyama: The Movie! Now in 3D!”
I think I burned through my monthly allotment of paleontological puns with “Tara nì Donnell” from a couple strips back
Best I got is Deminonychus, its too early for productive humour-making
The best kind of science. Make sure to take copious notation!
In Which Amber Booked a Motel Room
Huh. So I was right yesterday when I said Dina’s goal here was probably to test what she is and isn’t attracted to! Or at least, what arouses her.
Go me!
Laprop, wallet, change of clothes, toiletries…
Headphones, backpack, passport, plane tickets…
Death, time, pants, possession, gender, nylon, free will, and consciousness are all just constructs of the mind.
Pants Euphoria is now in my vocabulary, and I will be using it EVERY. CHANCE. I. GET.
As well you should. Now, mighty luck on your noble quest, and may the pants be with you. (Sometimes.)
Pants are an illusion, and so is death.
“Pants are an illusion. Underpants double so.”
Amber, your presence or absence is an important variable. Dina needs you to remain present for elimination purposes.
Elimination? You want Dina to do a golden showers scene with Amber?
…. okay, I’ve been using “golden shower” as a euphemism for trickle-down economics for so long that I just had a really weird moment reading that.
Without Amber as an observer, will the state vector ever collapse?
It has always seemed to me that a live cat is an observer and a dead cat is not, so the particle will never disintegrate.
What if we use an undergrad volunteer rather than a cat?
man i wish I’d done it this way. but I have better social cue/ implication literacy and got hit with the societal inculcation.
Do it, Becky. For science!
Do
it,Becky. For science!Amber heard you all. What happened to the fourth wall?
If that’s the plan, they’d better gather some supplies first.
Amber needs to leave.
“pants euphoria” I gotta reuse this someday XD
Dina: Amber, stay here. You are the control.
Joe: Did I hear “lesbian threesome”?
And thus Becky’s chastity was preserved (for a couple of minutes, anyway).
I am quite curious to see what the results of Dina’s “research” will be. I had thought that perhaps she was demisexual (someone who requires a strong emotional connection before they can feel sexual desire), but the way she’s talking about it suggests that rather, she instead has very specific fetishes that trigger sexual arousal, and that she otherwise does not experience sexual attraction to conventional arousal triggers.
Then again, any research would mean that Becky has to get involved in pre-marital hanky panky, and I think she’s still not ready to take that final step yet.
Not necessarily. The question is just whether something triggers arousal, and that doesn’t require hanky-panky. Just foreplay.
Dina is canonically grey-ace, I believe.
She once wore a hoodie with the colours.
You believe? Isn’t she explicitly stating it (minus specific term) here?
The specific term is what I was getting at, yeah.
That seems to be more or less the only holdout for that particular identifier, definitely. One doesn’t accidentally wear a flag like that, I’d think.
Not in this comic anyway. It’s more likely to happen in Real Life(tm) that someone just likes a design and has no idea it also means something.
Willis specifically tweeted that Dina’s wearing a grey shirt with the ace flag was 100% deliberate, though, so it certainly wasn’t an accident in her case.
I like to think Becky was trying on her pink coat in the store and didn’t really like it, but someone pointed out that with her white scarf it basically makes her a walking lesbian flag and she bought it immediately
This is what Danny/Ethan shippers thought Amber was doing back then.
This can only end well♡.
Amber is considerably less experienced with being sexiled than Danny is.
At the start of the year I wouldn’t have expected it either.
I think everyone is less experienced with being sexiled than Danny is. He might as well just set up camp in the lounge.
For now. She may catch up quickly.
Amber’s ONE braincell with the saaaaavvvveeeeeee
Becky: D’ja hear something jus’ now?
Dina: Nope!
Hopefully the last panel means Amber is finally leaving them now, and she’s not gonna return for something else she forgot soon.
“I’m moving to the other corner of the room. Better lighting. Keep going.”
For Science
This is exhilarating!!!