I was thinking more along the lines of someone or something she wants distance from, like for instance an abusive relationship she’s told nobody about.
I keep waiting to meet Mary’s parents and find they’re nice liberal Christians horrified by their daughter’s take into racism, homophobia, transphobia, and fundemantalism.
Sort of like how Mike’s parents are sweet decent people.
I doubt we’re gonna retread the same territory. Besides, based on what she said about her friends it doesn’t sound like ball is a Christian school like Anderson
Nono. Yay is in a different comic… though perhaps they could help us be ride of Liz. Speaking of which, one more point against her. “Move… Move please”!? What appalling behaviour.
Well, Amber was lost in a fugue state before we got the “Move please!” from Liz. It’s very likely she’d started with politer terms, and got frustrated when Amber didn’t respond.
We already had that with Becky, and our author likes to think up new situations rather than retread old ones. I think it’s more likely that Liz just doesn’t like Ball State, or found that she couldn’t sustain matching her online image in her real-life community. Right now she’s probably just not sure where she belongs.
That last panel really looks a lot like a “where the hell is my ride?!” look out the front windows. Whether it’s real or faked, though, is open to every kind of interpretation.
She’ll probably be gone by tomorrow, as it’s a Sunday and the next chapter is titled Trial and Sarah.
Liz had to stick around after the end of last chapter, as it was made clear she’s got major baggage of her end and we weren’t gonna send her off without resolving it.
With me it’s ALWAYS present to some degree, and when it gets really bad, I have to use ALL my fighting spirit to hold it back.
It for this anxiety radition in my personal galaxy relates to and intensifies obsessive-compulsive tendencies to in turn try to quell that anxiety, and the only way it’s COMPLETELY turned off is when I’m on cannabis.
At least I think it’s completely turned off. Either that or the effects on my imagination and senses are so powerfully interesting that it pulls me away from the anxiety-obsession-compulsion complex the same way the Earth’s pull of gravity is stronger than the moon’s.
Ooh who wants to share some of their greatest hits to borrow Needfuldoer’s phrase?
A big one of mine is getting a helpful cooking tip from a cashier and, a quirk I’d picked up god knows where that had become automatic, thanking them by doing the namaste gesture. This was a Southeast Asian grocery store. I immediately thought “oh no that will come across as a ridiculous bastardized stereotype of their culture at best, hella racist at worst” and basically ran out of the shop red faced (not that the cashier had any reaction, for all I know they didn’t care)
I can’t stop thinking about this. I have never returned to that store. I have entirely stopped doing random namaste hands, which is the one positive outcome of this devastating interaction.
I was on a class trip visiting a foreign school and we were playing a game, kinda like tag but when you tag someone else, you become a hoard of “it’s” rather than handing off the title. One girl fell to the floor and i think she already got tagged but i didn’t realize, so i was patting her to tag her. And then i realized that i was repeatedly tapping her breast. She was in a really baggy sweater and i wasn’t really looking so i didn’t know. I profusely apologized and she seemed to laugh it off. I just thank God I’m a girl/AFAB bc i don’t think that would have gone as smoothly if i didn’t have the same parts
I mean everyone makes jokes about how it happens to them. Gumball had a while episode dedicated to it. It’s like, literally one of the most common subjects of relatable humor
Makes you wonder. Why’s she talking out loud if he’s in her head? He can hear her either way. Is this accurate to DID or is it just to make storytelling and jokes easier?
I don’t really know, I generally keep my replies to the hallucination mental only. But sometimes I go off and have to actually say it outloud, screaming or not.
It seems to me, that you managed to make the same typo twice (without copy-pasting?).
At first I thought it was just an idiom/slang term I didn’t know. But neither LEO nor the Urban Dictionary seem to agree with your use of the word ‘seem’.
Therefor I concluded that you probably meant to write ‘she sees him/Joe’.
I think what may have happened was I accidentally hit the “m” on my phone keyboard trying to hit the space bar and wasn’t paying attention enough to notice the typo, and then autocorrect put the space between “seem” and “joe”
I can think of three possibilities:
1. She spotted Joe earlier (while figuring out where the pop was) and is now checking whether he still lurks around the entrance.
2. She just spotted someone lurking around the entrance and tries to figure out whether it is Joe. (She has no reason to connect him to Amber)
3. She’s looking out for some not-Joe-related reason, that we don’t know about yet.
She appears concerned in the last panel. My thought is that she is waiting on a ride that isn’t going to arrive. When she finally gives up on the ride, she will show up at Sarah’s door in tears because the people she though were her friends at college abandoned her here.
Not more than regular Coke but I do like Vanilla Coke quite a bit. My treat these days is a glass bottle Mexican Coke but every once in a while I’ll grab a Vanilla Coke and it’s pretty good.
Of the three colas (if we’re considering DP a cola), same, but while I generally prefer root beer over any of the three, Vanilla Coke and Wild Cherry Pepsi are two stand-outs to me.
Well, I don’t really care for vanilla coke. I particularly don’t like cherry cola (or cherry anything for that matter), but I used to love Shasta brand Black Cherry Cola when I was a kid. I still get a six pack of Black Cherry from time to time, but it’s mostly regular ol’ store brand cola for me.
When Becky first showed up after the opening strips it was under the pretense of just being there for a day or so to hang out, before the reveal. Liz was supposed to be gone this time yesterday, and I think most of the commentariat also assumed she’d be gone this morning.
I kinda liked the Cinnamon Coke they released in Winter 2019. Especially with a little Captain Morgan Spiced Rum (or whatever it was my gramps had on hand, I forget).
One the one hand I like Liz and would love to see her join full time, but on the other hand I’m also really worried about why she hasn’t gone back. I’m wondering if she’s escaping an abusive relationship/friendship of some sort…
There has only been one night so far, but we don’t know where she slept. We have not seen any evidence that she was either in Joyce and Sarah’s room or in Joe and Danny’s room.
That can’t be right. There’s some perspective going on in the last panel, but in the second panel they are side by side there’s clearly more than an inch difference between them. Actually Liz looks she’s the same height as (imaginary) Mike.
My crummy joke has crashed and burned. See, there’s a running gag in certain corners of the Net where you put two people with significant height differences together, no matter how vast the gap, and claim the shorter person is 5’11” and the taller person is 6′ exactly. The sometimes-spoken reasoning is that #women see any guy under 6′, even if it’s just by an inch, and to them he may as well be an ant, because all women care about is your height. Used ironically, this gag makes fun of people who use it in earnest, and I was hoping y’all would be in the know so I didn’t need to explain it.
I remember there was a guy online maybe on Reddit or Twitter who admitted he himself was exactly 6ft but saw so many guys irl shorter than him claiming they were (and started to do dumb things like say he must be like 6ft 2 or 3 as if they were doing him a favour) and so decided to claim he was 5ft 11 instead and watch as the other guys spluttered as he of course had effectively had reduced their height too to the “undesirable” zone.
I’ve gotten that before, and I know I’m 5’11.5″ tall. The CDC says 5’9″ is average, and nobody really gives a flying fuck anyway. We don’t live in the world of Invader Zim, your height only affects how often you’re asked to reach things on tall shelves.
My first association is with broken character scaling in most MMOs, where the standard human male is 6′, which makes trying to create characters with any sort of more realistic height(s) extremely fraught.
Huh probably 5ft 3 then so dead on average for a woman at least where I’m from. Huh. Idk I guess walking around with Joe lately made me think ‘wow so tiny’.
On phone, but there’s two strips I’m thinking of where Amber describes herself to Danny as sharing a “five-foot-four meat vehicle” and AG describes herself as “five-foot-five in boots”, respectively.
It won’t actually help you get the song out your head but at least it will be different? (Also, the little girl insisting that she’s a unicorn in the outtakes is funny.)
My personal theory right now is that you just don’t want to go back to your terrible sounding so-called friends after your emotional situation with Joe. Like these are the people Liz says treat her like she’s an idiot after all.
I doubt she can go to them and face further ridicule and abuse if she dared open up to them about her complicated feelings.
Like Dorothy isn’t perfect sometimes in this Joyce situation but I think she would try and genuinely help her in her feelings of feeling she could have been ‘ruined’ which shows that toxic Christianity still has her brain in its stranglehold. (Might result in some interesting road paths and openings for Becky too come to that which I think have been brought up before by her). Like if Liz was her Joyce you know and she knew this? She’d be concerned for her.
But like Liz goes to some religious group which has a reputation of being wretched and awful. Does she actually have any real friends? Would they brutally mock her if she showed an ounce of her true vulnerability? Out her to her stepmother? Can Liz trust anyone back at her college?
Mike’s “ghost” is haunting Amber’s head, Liz is haunting the campus and, maybe/very probably, Joe… Say whatever you want, but it’s nice to see two brothers facing a problem somewhere similar in their life at the same time. They can share solutions.
I think you have to be the kind of person who likes to make floats with vanilla ice cream and Coke.
I just nostalgia bombed myself because now I’m thinking about how my dad made us floats as kids (with root beer, I don’t like Coke). Do people still make root beer floats?
We don’t know how much time passed between Liz leaving and Amber starting her conversation with Joe. If it was only a minute or two, Amber and Joe might simply have beaten Liz to the shop. I’m by no means certain this is the case, but it is a possibility.
Yup. I mean, on some level it’s sometimes a comfort to be able to name the thing rather than just being tossed helplessly around by it like a whirlpool. On the other hand, sometimes even after you realize it… you’re still there.
At least Liz actually tells people to move when they’re in the way of something she wants to buy. I usually just pretend to be looking at something else nearby until the person in the way decides to move and I can what I wanted.
I feel as if this is a degree of polite civility I should embody as a Canadian, and yet I do not.
I also send my food back in drive-thrus and restaurants should it be done improperly, which I believe to be an action best defined in an alignment chart.
I tip when I feel like it, which is often, granted, just not all the time. Usually I just round up to the nearest five or ten if applicable, since I tend to dine out alone. At worst I’ll throw in a couple books since I used to work the restaurant beat as a dishwasher, and so I like the idea of throwing a little bonus for the unthanked cooks and dishwashers in the back.
This is a perk of living in a country without the societal-ingrained expectation that tipping is a moral imperative, and where our minimum wage isn’t entirely worthless chump change, just mostly.
Doesn’t matter what the press says. Doesn’t matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn’t matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right.
This nation was founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world — “No, YOU move.”
that speech has always annoyed me because every-fuckin’-body thinks they’re the captain america in this situation and nobody ever thinks they’re the bad guy
Like on one hand, the intended message is one of value; have the conviction to see your ideals through in the face of adversity, but that’s really all the worth it has, and that message is one where the value can be meted out in ways that aren’t “bro just ignore everyone around you and win one for the Gipper.”
In-universe, it’s Captain America saying he’ll fight for his ideals even though he’s currently fighting against a law that says him and his godly powered buddies aren’t allowed to smash buildings with no consequence (and while this is a bigger “but realism!” issue, Civil War is a story intended to be about that moral greyity). Out of universe, it’s a literal ubermensch declaring that he gets to decide what’s right and wrong on his own and with no oversight. It’s attempting to pass indulgent Great Man fantasies as profound conviction, and it somehow feels more fascist than that time Captain America was an actual Nazi.
The real joke to Cap nowadays is that they make him so stuck up his ass righteous about everything, either a pillar of moral character or an old fogey who needs the kids to show him how it’s done now, when back in the day he was a firebrand mouthpiece for the traditionally left wing comics beat to talk smack about whatever they felt was wrong about America today. Dude was invented by Jack Kirby and Joe Simon, dudes who hated Nazis so much they drew an anthropomorphized American flag punching Hitler a whole year before Pearl Harbor and got death threats for that from fascist sympathizers who’d call them up and then piss their pants and flee when Kirby walked down there ready to throw hands. You find any noteworthy page of the character before 1990 and it’s probably him being viscerally, angrily loud about decency as a moral requirement of Americans.
Seriously, you can go on google right now and find panels of comics from, like, the 70s and 80s where he’s screaming at a newspaper that the US needs to leave Latin America alone and that an America that lets a fascist oppress everyone by justifying it as keeping America great is a piece of trash filled with idiots. Captain America is comics’ greatest social justice warrior and I wouldn’t have him another way.
“He gets to decide what’s right and wrong on his own and with no oversight. It’s attempting to pass indulgent Great Man fantasies as profound conviction, and it somehow feels more fascist than that time Captain America was an actual Nazi.”
Basically Stan Smith from American Dad in a nutshell (bourgeoisie prick).
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hey, she still hasn’t gone
yay?
are we sure her school isn’t just like a block down the street or
Perhaps there is a very compelling reason she doesn’t WANT to go back soon.
A very COMPELLING reason. A very BAD reason.
Willis only knows why. 😧
There’s an EXTREMELY good reason.
The stores there are out of vanilla coke.
I was thinking more along the lines of someone or something she wants distance from, like for instance an abusive relationship she’s told nobody about.
Best reason of all not to go there.
…or perhaps you need to substitute a different four-letter-word beginning with ‘c’ in that statement.
Cake?
I thought your “compelling”, “bad” reason was Joe for a minute there (assuming she’s still on the fence about getting laid.
But reading your second comment, well, if only whether or not to bang Joe was the worst of her problems.
Ball State is in Muncie, which is a couple hours from Bloomington. So maybe she’s crashing here Becky style
Yeah that’s kind of what I’m thinking too, but even if it is like that, there’s bound to be some key contrasts with the Becky story.
Maybe not.
Maybe she’s play acting Het just like Becky was.
And was hoping to prove it with Joe.
Or maybe not.
I keep waiting to meet Mary’s parents and find they’re nice liberal Christians horrified by their daughter’s take into racism, homophobia, transphobia, and fundemantalism.
Sort of like how Mike’s parents are sweet decent people.
I doubt we’re gonna retread the same territory. Besides, based on what she said about her friends it doesn’t sound like ball is a Christian school like Anderson
Yeah, Liz was pretty clear that she’s dealing both with expectations of performative Christianity as well as her peers mocking for it.
which
extremely relevant to a certain other character
You sure she goes to Ball and didn’t actually sneak in an application to Downthestreet Insomeshadybackalley College
or IU IDK
She actually goes to Balles State, it operates out of some dude’s backyard
Liz Clinton, Fugitive from Justice?
I’m beginning to suspect this alleged “ride” she’s waiting for isn’t going to show up…
Nono. Yay is in a different comic… though perhaps they could help us be ride of Liz. Speaking of which, one more point against her. “Move… Move please”!? What appalling behaviour.
Well, Amber was lost in a fugue state before we got the “Move please!” from Liz. It’s very likely she’d started with politer terms, and got frustrated when Amber didn’t respond.
She DID say thaaaank you
I didn’t specify Newfriend
Could be LOTS of Yays around webcomics these days
Wasn’t Joe by the door?
Well this should be fun.
I think by the look on Liz’s face in the last panel she seems him and does not want to explain why she’s still in town
Vanilla Coke is why she’s still in town!
Maybe that’s why he didn’t want to go in
So Liz got kicked out of her college, didn’t she?
We already had that with Becky, and our author likes to think up new situations rather than retread old ones. I think it’s more likely that Liz just doesn’t like Ball State, or found that she couldn’t sustain matching her online image in her real-life community. Right now she’s probably just not sure where she belongs.
So is Liz just a permanent addition to the cast at this point? She’s had like three fake out departures
Maybe her ride really wanted Vanilla Coke.
Considering the diverse range of frequencies for appearances of characters here, who knows.
I hope not. She’s a catalyst but too much and everything just explodes.
If this is Season 2 and Willis is just adding characters like Booster and Liz, I can see it.
I like Booster. I hope we see more of them.
Have other infrequent characters acted as catalysts as well?
Booster?
Carol, Linda, Toedead and the Blaine…
That last panel really looks a lot like a “where the hell is my ride?!” look out the front windows. Whether it’s real or faked, though, is open to every kind of interpretation.
Or a “damn, Joe’s out there”
Last time we saw her, she walked away from him saying her ride was outside now. I’m starting to wonder about the existence of this ride.
She’ll probably be gone by tomorrow, as it’s a Sunday and the next chapter is titled Trial and Sarah.
Liz had to stick around after the end of last chapter, as it was made clear she’s got major baggage of her end and we weren’t gonna send her off without resolving it.
Sometimes I think I’m the only one who gets anything like a horrible “relive excruciating moments” thing. Thanks Amber.
I think it’s a pretty normal thing. I hope it’s normal, at least.
Definitely one of MY neurodivergent stripes.
With me it’s ALWAYS present to some degree, and when it gets really bad, I have to use ALL my fighting spirit to hold it back.
It for this anxiety radition in my personal galaxy relates to and intensifies obsessive-compulsive tendencies to in turn try to quell that anxiety, and the only way it’s COMPLETELY turned off is when I’m on cannabis.
At least I think it’s completely turned off. Either that or the effects on my imagination and senses are so powerfully interesting that it pulls me away from the anxiety-obsession-compulsion complex the same way the Earth’s pull of gravity is stronger than the moon’s.
I dunno.
It’s normal, just like getting a cough and having asthma are normal. It’s also treatable like asthma!
Oh, yours restricts itself to just the excruciating parts? Lucky…
I’m sorry, was that sarcasm? My detector is kind of buggy.
A little bit. The implication is that my own anxiety still latches onto stuff like dropping a toy wrong when I was 8.
Yeah, mine does that more frequently on top of the excruciating stuff when it gets worse.
Ugh, I hear you. My brain has “Greatest Hits of Embarrassing Cringeworthy Shit Nobody Else Remembers” cued up at all times. :\
Me too 😣
Would you like some sympathy via light physical contact?
Just reading about someone else’s makes part of my brain relive my own personal ones, so today’s strip was an absolute JOY to read.
DYW, in a way you had no way of intending, and could not have done deliberately.
I relive moments from middle school that happened more than 50 years ago, so you’re not the Lone Ranger.
Ooh who wants to share some of their greatest hits to borrow Needfuldoer’s phrase?
A big one of mine is getting a helpful cooking tip from a cashier and, a quirk I’d picked up god knows where that had become automatic, thanking them by doing the namaste gesture. This was a Southeast Asian grocery store. I immediately thought “oh no that will come across as a ridiculous bastardized stereotype of their culture at best, hella racist at worst” and basically ran out of the shop red faced (not that the cashier had any reaction, for all I know they didn’t care)
I can’t stop thinking about this. I have never returned to that store. I have entirely stopped doing random namaste hands, which is the one positive outcome of this devastating interaction.
I was on a class trip visiting a foreign school and we were playing a game, kinda like tag but when you tag someone else, you become a hoard of “it’s” rather than handing off the title. One girl fell to the floor and i think she already got tagged but i didn’t realize, so i was patting her to tag her. And then i realized that i was repeatedly tapping her breast. She was in a really baggy sweater and i wasn’t really looking so i didn’t know. I profusely apologized and she seemed to laugh it off. I just thank God I’m a girl/AFAB bc i don’t think that would have gone as smoothly if i didn’t have the same parts
I mean everyone makes jokes about how it happens to them. Gumball had a while episode dedicated to it. It’s like, literally one of the most common subjects of relatable humor
“Sometimes, I sit and think about every stupid thing I’ve ever done. All at once.”
Wow, if I had a brain powerful enough to think of that many at once, there’d be a lot less stupid things to think about. Nice paradox.
And this is why we don’t talk outloud to our hallucinations, it makes life awkward.
I say that like I haven’t gotten into a screaming match with mine…. only like 2 or 3 times though.
Makes you wonder. Why’s she talking out loud if he’s in her head? He can hear her either way. Is this accurate to DID or is it just to make storytelling and jokes easier?
I don’t really know, I generally keep my replies to the hallucination mental only. But sometimes I go off and have to actually say it outloud, screaming or not.
She knows he’s in her head, too, which makes it all the stranger.
Her interactions with head-Mike seem very different than those with Amazi-Girl.
Closer maybe to the one interaction with her internal Blaine figure way back after the Ryan-stabbing.
So Liz is still here, interesting
She looks nervous in the last panel so I wonder if she seems Joe and doesn’t want a confrontation over why she’s still in town
Nervous? She looks tired for me…
Maybe she didn’t sleep last night either, just wandered around campus having an existential crisis.
It seems to me, that you managed to make the same typo twice (without copy-pasting?).
At first I thought it was just an idiom/slang term I didn’t know. But neither LEO nor the Urban Dictionary seem to agree with your use of the word ‘seem’.
Therefor I concluded that you probably meant to write ‘she sees him/Joe’.
I think what may have happened was I accidentally hit the “m” on my phone keyboard trying to hit the space bar and wasn’t paying attention enough to notice the typo, and then autocorrect put the space between “seem” and “joe”
I can think of three possibilities:
1. She spotted Joe earlier (while figuring out where the pop was) and is now checking whether he still lurks around the entrance.
2. She just spotted someone lurking around the entrance and tries to figure out whether it is Joe. (She has no reason to connect him to Amber)
3. She’s looking out for some not-Joe-related reason, that we don’t know about yet.
She appears concerned in the last panel. My thought is that she is waiting on a ride that isn’t going to arrive. When she finally gives up on the ride, she will show up at Sarah’s door in tears because the people she though were her friends at college abandoned her here.
I’m not a huge fan of regular Coke (I’m a Dr Pepper guy) but I actually like Vanilla Coke a lot more, anyone else?
Vanilla Coke is the bomb.
Not more than regular Coke but I do like Vanilla Coke quite a bit. My treat these days is a glass bottle Mexican Coke but every once in a while I’ll grab a Vanilla Coke and it’s pretty good.
Of the three colas (if we’re considering DP a cola), same, but while I generally prefer root beer over any of the three, Vanilla Coke and Wild Cherry Pepsi are two stand-outs to me.
You’re gonna pick DJ Pepulon as a cola, over Royal Crown?
“What the hell is Royal Cro–oh, RC.”
Hey, look, Taco Mayo is not an unpopular fast food chain, but Taco Bell is the internationally-recognizable name.
If you out Crown Royal in a Royal Crown, is that an RCCR, a CRRC, an RRCC, or a CCRR?
Alcohol first. So CRRC Cola.
Cyclic Redundancy Redundancy Check Cola?
Creedence Clearwater Revival Revival Cola?
Pass. It taste like Expectorant to me.
Seconded. Whatever it is that they’re using for “vanilla” does not taste anything like vanilla.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t ‘vanilla’ a slang term for ‘regular’? 😉
It is indeed. But it’s also an actual flavor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_extract
Missionary Coke
Doesn’t exist in my country .-.
None of the coke flavors do except like, zero. We’re more a Pepsi people.
Well, I don’t really care for vanilla coke. I particularly don’t like cherry cola (or cherry anything for that matter), but I used to love Shasta brand Black Cherry Cola when I was a kid. I still get a six pack of Black Cherry from time to time, but it’s mostly regular ol’ store brand cola for me.
I’m starting to think we’ve got another Becky situation. Like, probably not exactly, but something’s going on.
Becky situation?
A Runaway, for one reason or another.
I’m not 100% on it yet, still don’t have a motive, but every reappearance of Liz makes it seem a little more likely
When Becky first showed up after the opening strips it was under the pretense of just being there for a day or so to hang out, before the reveal. Liz was supposed to be gone this time yesterday, and I think most of the commentariat also assumed she’d be gone this morning.
Nobody puts Baby in the corner.
Damn, Amber’s relatable in this strip.
My top 3 cokes flavors
Classics Coke
Vanilla Coke
Cherry Coke.
Who’s is Who’s favorite?
I’m partial to that orange one they’ve got.
Classic Coke has ALWAYS been a favorite, but since last year it’s actually been Cherry.
I kinda liked the Cinnamon Coke they released in Winter 2019. Especially with a little Captain Morgan Spiced Rum (or whatever it was my gramps had on hand, I forget).
Sometimes when I’m drinking a can of coke, I’ll take a cinnamon Altoid and throw it in the can.
I’m waiting for Sprite Remix to come back
Mecca Cola, made with cane sugar and not with corn syrup, is amazing.
Surprisingly, Cuban cola is awful.
My favorite is “yeah, coke is fine”
Dr. Pepper
Classic is my caffienated drink of choice. Vanilla is nice, but not worth going out of my way for. Cherry is meh.
Starting to think she dropped out hm
Liz is part of the Gravatar cast so I figured she’d be seen slightly more often in the comic.
Amber is feeling rough right now but Joe’s about to be even more so when Liz finds him.
Yeah she should at least reach Jason or Ethan levels of appearances but I hope she gets more than that.
One the one hand I like Liz and would love to see her join full time, but on the other hand I’m also really worried about why she hasn’t gone back. I’m wondering if she’s escaping an abusive relationship/friendship of some sort…
Where is Liz spending her nights?
There has only been one night so far, but we don’t know where she slept. We have not seen any evidence that she was either in Joyce and Sarah’s room or in Joe and Danny’s room.
Amber looks tiny next to Liz.
Do we know their heights ?
Amber is 5’11”, Liz is 6′.
That can’t be right. There’s some perspective going on in the last panel, but in the second panel they are side by side there’s clearly more than an inch difference between them. Actually Liz looks she’s the same height as (imaginary) Mike.
My crummy joke has crashed and burned. See, there’s a running gag in certain corners of the Net where you put two people with significant height differences together, no matter how vast the gap, and claim the shorter person is 5’11” and the taller person is 6′ exactly. The sometimes-spoken reasoning is that #women see any guy under 6′, even if it’s just by an inch, and to them he may as well be an ant, because all women care about is your height. Used ironically, this gag makes fun of people who use it in earnest, and I was hoping y’all would be in the know so I didn’t need to explain it.
I remember there was a guy online maybe on Reddit or Twitter who admitted he himself was exactly 6ft but saw so many guys irl shorter than him claiming they were (and started to do dumb things like say he must be like 6ft 2 or 3 as if they were doing him a favour) and so decided to claim he was 5ft 11 instead and watch as the other guys spluttered as he of course had effectively had reduced their height too to the “undesirable” zone.
I’ve gotten that before, and I know I’m 5’11.5″ tall. The CDC says 5’9″ is average, and nobody really gives a flying fuck anyway. We don’t live in the world of Invader Zim, your height only affects how often you’re asked to reach things on tall shelves.
The insecure alpha bro mindset is baffling.
Height also affects how often you need to duck. I’m average, but my sister is a shorty. The only definition of “duck” she knows quacks.
I have nothing relevant to say here, but I’m just SO happy that somebody here remembers Invader Zim after all these years!!! 😊
i laughed
My first association is with broken character scaling in most MMOs, where the standard human male is 6′, which makes trying to create characters with any sort of more realistic height(s) extremely fraught.
My character in Final Fantasy 14 is 7’3″. She big. Watching other people’s cutscenes, I’m always like “Yo, who’s ordered the shrimp?”
I think Ambers definitely below average height she’s probably something like 5ft or 5ft 1.
She’s slightly shorter than Joyce and Dorothy, and we know Joyce is 5’4″.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2020/comic/book-10/04-is-a-song-forever/evacuated/
Huh probably 5ft 3 then so dead on average for a woman at least where I’m from. Huh. Idk I guess walking around with Joe lately made me think ‘wow so tiny’.
Imo anything under 5’5 is gremlin height. 5’3 is also average for my country. We are a short people.
On phone, but there’s two strips I’m thinking of where Amber describes herself to Danny as sharing a “five-foot-four meat vehicle” and AG describes herself as “five-foot-five in boots”, respectively.
Self-correction: non-costumed meat vehicle is 5’2” https://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-7/03-the-thing-i-was-before/find/
The costume does indeed increase her height to 5’5” though: https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/02-guess-whos-coming-to-galassos/vandals/
Great, now I have the “Cat Came Back” song stuck in my head for the next two weeks.
Me too!
Cat Came Back: https://youtu.be/gTLZHoRH394
It won’t actually help you get the song out your head but at least it will be different? (Also, the little girl insisting that she’s a unicorn in the outtakes is funny.)
Remix, it’s a remix. I don’t know how I missed getting that word in there.
Yeeeeeeeeep!
Liz is never leaving. 😛
whyyyy are you still here
Liz honey. I am growing concerned.
My personal theory right now is that you just don’t want to go back to your terrible sounding so-called friends after your emotional situation with Joe. Like these are the people Liz says treat her like she’s an idiot after all.
I doubt she can go to them and face further ridicule and abuse if she dared open up to them about her complicated feelings.
Like Dorothy isn’t perfect sometimes in this Joyce situation but I think she would try and genuinely help her in her feelings of feeling she could have been ‘ruined’ which shows that toxic Christianity still has her brain in its stranglehold. (Might result in some interesting road paths and openings for Becky too come to that which I think have been brought up before by her). Like if Liz was her Joyce you know and she knew this? She’d be concerned for her.
But like Liz goes to some religious group which has a reputation of being wretched and awful. Does she actually have any real friends? Would they brutally mock her if she showed an ounce of her true vulnerability? Out her to her stepmother? Can Liz trust anyone back at her college?
Mike’s “ghost” is haunting Amber’s head, Liz is haunting the campus and, maybe/very probably, Joe… Say whatever you want, but it’s nice to see two brothers facing a problem somewhere similar in their life at the same time. They can share solutions.
What’s with the weird look on her face? Is she coming down from hee men’s multivitamin high?
Okay, I get that Mike is in Amber’s head, but in the last panel, why is she in mine?
Frankly vanilla coke sounds like a very very gross idea. why not strawberry while you’re at it
I think you have to be the kind of person who likes to make floats with vanilla ice cream and Coke.
I just nostalgia bombed myself because now I’m thinking about how my dad made us floats as kids (with root beer, I don’t like Coke). Do people still make root beer floats?
Shouldn’t Liz have gone back to her college by now?
We don’t know how much time passed between Liz leaving and Amber starting her conversation with Joe. If it was only a minute or two, Amber and Joe might simply have beaten Liz to the shop. I’m by no means certain this is the case, but it is a possibility.
(Or, more likely, gotten to the shop after Liz arrived but before she found what she was looking for.)
OK, prediction falsified, never mind.
DoA Book 12: It’s a Good Thing I Don’t Have Social Anxiety or Anything, or I’d Be Reliving This Brief Failure in My Head for the Next 65 Years
Its strange that she is so aware of her psychology, while at the same time conversing with the hallucination of a diseased friend.
I’m pretty sure a lot of Ambers symptoms are linked to pretty severe schizophrenia.
Not all hallucinations and severe mental health issues are schizophrenia .-.
This is like just a symptom of her DID, MAYBE psychotic depression
**likely
Being aware of one’s own psychology does not make it just go away.
yeh
It’s not at all comforting to learn that your brain is inherently broken as opposed to definitely being correct about how much you hate yourself.
At least with the latter, you’ve come to a rational conclusion by examining empirical evidence.
Yup. I mean, on some level it’s sometimes a comfort to be able to name the thing rather than just being tossed helplessly around by it like a whirlpool. On the other hand, sometimes even after you realize it… you’re still there.
At least Liz actually tells people to move when they’re in the way of something she wants to buy. I usually just pretend to be looking at something else nearby until the person in the way decides to move and I can what I wanted.
same here 🙁
yeah..me too
I always think about asking them to move, but then the terror of coming off as rude or negative in some way crashes over me. so…yeah… me as well.
I feel as if this is a degree of polite civility I should embody as a Canadian, and yet I do not.
I also send my food back in drive-thrus and restaurants should it be done improperly, which I believe to be an action best defined in an alignment chart.
lawful evil?
If you tip the server 20% after sending your food back, it’s lawful neutral.
Even a dime less and it’s straight to hell with you, scum.
I tip when I feel like it, which is often, granted, just not all the time. Usually I just round up to the nearest five or ten if applicable, since I tend to dine out alone. At worst I’ll throw in a couple books since I used to work the restaurant beat as a dishwasher, and so I like the idea of throwing a little bonus for the unthanked cooks and dishwashers in the back.
This is a perk of living in a country without the societal-ingrained expectation that tipping is a moral imperative, and where our minimum wage isn’t entirely worthless chump change, just mostly.
“For me, classes were canceled forever.”
Not because she’s a lesbian, though, but because she willingly drinks Vanilla Coke.
It’s stank.
“Remember that one time you stood in the way in the grocery store? Ooooooooh!” Mind Mike, from now on.
Is that mouse over text implying that there’s something… FELINE about Liz? Or just that she’s impossible to get rid of? Or both?
Well, to be fair, I am glad this is not Amazi-girl’s true origin story.
What if Liz shows up at Macaroni night
I figured it out.
Liz is OUR alter.
Wait. That’s not vanilla coke! That’s cherry!
hell yeah, Becky 2.0
except she’s not a lesbian so that’s unfortunate
Comment section: It’s time to move on, Liz. Move.
Liz: No.
Doesn’t matter what the press says. Doesn’t matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn’t matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right.
This nation was founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world — “No, YOU move.”
– Liz Clinton
(I like Cap well enough but you could put this speech in the mouth of the Red Skull and not change a single line of dialogue)
that speech has always annoyed me because every-fuckin’-body thinks they’re the captain america in this situation and nobody ever thinks they’re the bad guy
Oh whoops, somehow posted my reply as a regular comment
Right???
Like on one hand, the intended message is one of value; have the conviction to see your ideals through in the face of adversity, but that’s really all the worth it has, and that message is one where the value can be meted out in ways that aren’t “bro just ignore everyone around you and win one for the Gipper.”
In-universe, it’s Captain America saying he’ll fight for his ideals even though he’s currently fighting against a law that says him and his godly powered buddies aren’t allowed to smash buildings with no consequence (and while this is a bigger “but realism!” issue, Civil War is a story intended to be about that moral greyity). Out of universe, it’s a literal ubermensch declaring that he gets to decide what’s right and wrong on his own and with no oversight. It’s attempting to pass indulgent Great Man fantasies as profound conviction, and it somehow feels more fascist than that time Captain America was an actual Nazi.
The real joke to Cap nowadays is that they make him so stuck up his ass righteous about everything, either a pillar of moral character or an old fogey who needs the kids to show him how it’s done now, when back in the day he was a firebrand mouthpiece for the traditionally left wing comics beat to talk smack about whatever they felt was wrong about America today. Dude was invented by Jack Kirby and Joe Simon, dudes who hated Nazis so much they drew an anthropomorphized American flag punching Hitler a whole year before Pearl Harbor and got death threats for that from fascist sympathizers who’d call them up and then piss their pants and flee when Kirby walked down there ready to throw hands. You find any noteworthy page of the character before 1990 and it’s probably him being viscerally, angrily loud about decency as a moral requirement of Americans.
Seriously, you can go on google right now and find panels of comics from, like, the 70s and 80s where he’s screaming at a newspaper that the US needs to leave Latin America alone and that an America that lets a fascist oppress everyone by justifying it as keeping America great is a piece of trash filled with idiots. Captain America is comics’ greatest social justice warrior and I wouldn’t have him another way.
“He gets to decide what’s right and wrong on his own and with no oversight. It’s attempting to pass indulgent Great Man fantasies as profound conviction, and it somehow feels more fascist than that time Captain America was an actual Nazi.”
Basically Stan Smith from American Dad in a nutshell (
bourgeoisie prick).Yeah but with Stan that’s The Joke of the show.
maybe it’s my Canadian-ness but who says “move” instead of “excuse me”