All it would take for me is one conversation between Carol and Joyce where Carol even tries to defend Ross’ actions to their daughter that he kidnapped and I would be out!
But I guess logistically it would be close to impossible to be officially divorced in a day right? Cause I’m sure Carol would fight it or something and maybe they’d try counselling and then all the legal shit. If you wanna get all boring and technical about it. Bleh.
There’s generally a waiting period between filing for divorce and its finalization, even if there are no contested issues. Indiana’s is sixty days. And since Joyce at least is under 21, legally there would be child support to theoretically determine. (Though since Carol doesn’t work, to our knowledge, that point is moot.)
Since there’s a hinted at time skip after this storyline, that might bump the timeline up in our world. But since we’re in mid-October and Willis probably doesn’t want to boot them all back home, it’s probably going to either zoom back in in November and then mysteriously Never Reach Finals or straight to January and spring semester beginning. One of these would allow the divorce to have potentially finalized offscreen, assuming Carol doesn’t fight it (but she probably would.) The other puts Hank in a limbo state of Divorcing, forever.
Now, will Hank FILE for it soon (and move out so Carol can donate the house to the church and they sell it to handle their sudden financial Expenses but still go bankrupt) is a different question.
Also there’s been that cool Hooded AG costume design for FOREVER that’s never had a chance to be used. We need colder weather to make it seasonally appropriate!
I’d be very surprised if Carol could sell the house just because Hank had moved out. That is just the sort of thing that gets delayed until the divorce is final, unless both parties agree on what to to do.
When I sold my house, it required signatures from everybody on the deed. I can’t imagine the deed just having Carol’s name, unless she’s somehow the primary breadwinner. The sort of Christian family they’re shown to be would be much more likely to have just Hank’s name on the deed, so long as it’s a single-name deed.
I don’t know how common having both names on the deed is for people in this sort of a cult. It was at least a topic that came up in my parents’ Sunday school class, with my father being the one to ask the question of why any couple wouldn’t have both names on the deed, and just about every other couple in the class suggesting at least one reason why that might not happen. That church was… not as crazy as the church these people apparently are part of.
There should also be some provisions in the laws relating to marriage and divorce to at least strongly suggest that the house disposition be a joint decision or part of the legal settlement. I do recall hearing of a case which happened in a state other than Indiana, where one party of a divorce proceeding did have just their name on the deed for the house they both lived in, and managed to unilaterally sell the house. At least in that judge’s court room, it basically cost that party more than the total proceeds from the house, as the judge fairly quickly determined that it confirmed the pattern of behavior that the other party was complaining about, and decided that alimony wouldn’t get paid either. As such, assets were split something like 90% / 10%. (Note: the asshat who sold the house was also the only one of the pair who was gainfully employed.)
As such, I’d absolutely agree, Carol’s almost certainly not going to be able to sell the house without either shenanigans or Hank’s permission. If she does manage to, it’d probably cost her more than it inconvenienced Hank and Joyce.
I’d also be surprised if any timeskip were more than a couple of days. There are far too many plots dangling and too much character stuff that would need to be addressed offscreen.
Well it can be a beginning to the whole divorce process (on top of everything else), but as pointed out above the full divorce process in Indiana takes at least sixty days, optimally speaking.
For reference here, Move-In Day was on 29 August and the current chapter is set on 21 October. We haven’t even hit sixty in-universe days since the beginning of the comic. It’d basically put Hank “in a limbo state of Divorcing, forever,” to quote Regalli above.
But the emotional impact can basically be focused on the separation and the decision, even if it isn’t finalized. I doubt that’ll be today, but we’ve definitely taken a big step towards it.
I’d bet he gets convicted. He’s a mob stooge, and he got national media attention, no doubt, for the whole “took six hostages and killed a guy and had it exposed on a Congresswoman’s twitter feed” thing. The mob’s not going to go to bat for a random stooge who brought down that much heat.
Blaine’s currently in jail for literally the only crime in Indiana which he can’t be bailed for (also, incidentally, the only one which carries the death penalty for what that’s worth). He’s almost certainly no longer in favor with the mob, and the crime was a high-profile case involving the aide to a member of Congress. What’s this path you see to him walking free?
Exactly. I’m not banking on Blaine being convicted for anything. Amber’s going to get a dead fish with a hammer in its belly delivered to her dorm within the month.
It’s a reference to The Godfather. When one of the family’s top hitters was killed, his signature bulletproof vest was delivered to them wrapped around a dead fish, because he was “Sleeping with the Fishes,” AKA lying dead at the bottom of New York Harbor.
My wild-ass guess is he wakes up from the coma with major personality changes, e.g. à la Walkyverse’s drunk!Mike, and the changes persist through the remainder of the comic.
Final chapter of the final book: Mike reveals that the changes in behavior were him making a conscious decision, and he figured he’d get less pushback if he just let everyone think it was brain damage.
Honestly, one of my happy realizations over the past few weeks was that at some point, even if it’s some point far off, Jocelyne is going to be able to tell Hank.
Actually, I mostly want Joyce to learn, she’s come so far. I think she’s just about at the point where she could cope with it, but her reaction would still be amusing.
I simultaneously look forward to it and also brace for it… Because yes, Joyce reliably chooses to love and accept, but that is also 18 years of inertia to break and Joyce changing her habits is something she struggles with.
infidelity
noun
1. marital disloyalty; adultery.
2. unfaithfulness; disloyalty.
3. lack of religious faith, especially Christian faith.
4. a breach of trust or a disloyal act; transgression.
I hope part of the fallout is that he moves away from La Porte, too. It does him no favours staying in a town with a toxic church who probably has its fingers deeper in the community than he’d like.
Depends if he’s signed a non-compete or not, that’s one factor. My uncle had to do that at one point, temporarily prevented him from practicing in a desired area. Other factors, I don’t know about, however.
I’d imagine it’s fairly disruptive. Need to rent an office, move and set up your equipment, hire a hygienist and receptionist unless you do all that yourself, and build up a clientele so that you have actual income again… Oh, and then there’s the probably lease on the current office, and winding down patient relationships.
If you move states, then there’s getting licensed in the new state.
People do it, I found multiple ‘guides’, but it’s definitely not a casual endeavor, even compared to other “I had a wife and a house and now I’m moving out” relocations where a new employer might give you money right away.
They’re members of a church that is based out of a converted school building, presumably because that’s what they could afford. Odds of that being the only church in town are long. Odds of that being the main church in town are not as long but still up there. However, it might well be a blow to his professional practice if he changes churches at this point, as his old “friends” boycott him for being on the “wrong” side of an issue, or the whole churchs chooses to side with the one member of a marital split that is still also a member of the church. Either by itself could cause a slump in his business, but both together, and especially the separation/divorce one, and I suspect anyone who was both a patient and a fellow parishioner will be moving their business to a new dentist.
Depends on how religious he is and what his religion says. Some religions frown on divorce. Not sure what theirs believes in, other than allowing potential abusers and violent people to run free.
There’s the “you can divorce but not remarry because that would be adultery” dodge, but I suspect they often just remarry anyway. I of course can’t speak for Willis’s childhood church(es?)
Matthew 19:5-6 “For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate” That’s the words of some guy named Jesus, supposedly well known among fundamentalists. Yet fundamentalists have one of the highest divorce rates in America. I guess their reasoning is “my divorce is different”, just like their abortion is different, or their general misanthropy.
Oh good, I was worried that he was just straight up leaving.
(Which doesn’t make sense I realize, since he’d be leaving Joyce alone for the inevitable confrontation with her mom.)
I don’t know, if she hears Linda wants to get Amber kicked out of school because of her father’s actions, she may Have Words to say to Linda. That thing hopefully won’t be punching her in the face, and by demonstrating how much more reasonable she is than her mother, Joyce will force Linda to drop her nonsense.
I’m hoping the contrast between “so utterly batshit that she flat-out denies reality without batting an eyelid and supports acts of violence aimed at her own child, she left Linda speechless” and “upset, impassioned – but dealing with facts, and remaining moderately polite”, from a parent and their child, will take the wind out of Linda’s sails and make it difficult to continue to blame one for the sins of the other whilst maintaining any remotely objective right to claim the moral highground, and either that or not wanting people to think she looks as crazy* as Carol, will get her to drop the anti-Amber crusade…
*crazy not intended to disparage or insult anybody with any actual mental health diagnosis, but rather to denote a wilful refusal to back down in the face of a mountain of evidence indicating one is incorrect, and a complete refusal to display empathy for anybody who might disagree with oneself, along with a huge side-helping of victim-blaming and playing the martyr. English unfortunately lacks a better word to encapsulate that without any sort of ableism (unless something is escaping me?)…
Joyce is refusing to see either of her parents right now, so (if Joyce is hanging out with Dorothy, which isn’t an unreasonable assumption right now) it’s unlikely she’d see Hank before Deborah and Jeremiah.
This was also my thought. Hank knows his daughter wants to see the keeners more than she wants to see him and understandably that hurts. But he understands and tries to be better instead of being angry. I have to say I like Hank.
Yeah. Hank, like Joyce, is a good person, who has to unlearn a lot of bad shit, and like Joyce, has recognized that and is trying to do so.
Recognizing that they’ve done Joyce wrong and she needs space to process that before she can forgive him – and maybe even that she has no obligation to do that, even if he does redeem himself fully – is a big step in that.
It seems pretty much a given. We know that Ruth was a terror of a RA even before this year, and that she doesn’t remember much of what hell she put Rachel through during their roommate year, except that ‘apologies wouldn’t be enough’.
We saw in a start-of-chapter flashback a while back that Ruth and Rachel were freshman year roommates.
We know that Ruth’s been incredibly depressed for a period of years, and drinking for quite some time as well. We know that Ruth’s RA style was ‘threats of and actual physical abuse.’ I suspect that eventually, there’s going to be a reveal about something in that time frame that was in fact ‘yeah no Rachel’s fully in her rights not to forgive Ruth, ever’ territory.
We know Ruth is a part of it but not precisely what her role is in it as, Rachel, due to her grudge, is an unreliable narrator for us of how much Ruth actually screwed up and refuses to remind Ruth of why exactly she is so mad at her.
We don’t know if it is something Ruth actively did to her on purpose or failed to do (on purpose or by accident) or if it is a misunderstanding of events where Ruth thought one thing and moved on while Rachel thought another and held onto the memories or if there were other people involved and Ruth’s just the one carrying all the blame. We don’t even know if Ruth is the primary person who should be blamed, or if she is just the one Rachel is choosing to blame yet. We only know Ruth wasn’t the friendliest to her when they first met so far.
As someone who was closer to my dad than my mom, this is breaking my heart!!!!
Oh Hank, Joyce would probably let just you come up. Maybe. I’m bracing for a hard cut back to the Mom trying to get past Ruth with a bible as a weapon.
I don’t think he’s gonna die, but i do think the “I’m sorry” might have a dual meaning. I think it’s very likely that he and Carol are gonna get a divorce soon, and we’ve already seen Joyce really doesn’t want that to happen.
It’s likely to change her opinion. I mean, if her parents are an inseperable unit, she’ll end up with no parents because she’ll not want her mom in her life. If they separate though, she gets to keep her dad.
“Can’t imagine it because she is so used to considering her parents a united front that the idea of them disagreeing is overwhelming” and “Would be relieved to find out how strongly her father disagrees with her mother’s doubling down in support of Toedad’s horrendous actions, and loves and wants to support her” can both be true.
One common thing I keep hearing from some people is that the best thing you can hope for as a parent is that your child grows to be a better person than you are. I’m no parent myself yet but if I do become one and I’m lucky enough see that myself than I can say it will be a honor worth raising them.
I hope he texts her. It doesn’t have to explain everything or say that, just like ‘I’m sorry about everything*. I’m going to give you space but if you ever feel ready to talk, please let me know. Your mom doesn’t need to be involved.’
Like she said when her phone was ringing off the hook, if something is important he can text her. And that is important.
*I’m of the opinion that saying ‘everything’ doesn’t really count as being accountable for the specific wrong actions one has done, but it’s enough for a text introducing the idea
Especially given Joyce is so totally spent on the Complicated Emotions About Authority Figures Who Have Failed Her front, a short text and ‘everything’ is definitely sufficient right now.
this is also why I went with ‘your mom doesn’t need to be involved,’ because telling her they’re having marriage difficulties or introducing it in the frame of ‘we can keep it a secret from your mom’ might unintentionally put stress about their relationship on Joyce
And he can be sorry about everything even if he’s not responsible for everything.
I don’t think Hank was involved in the Let’s Bail Out the Kidnapper Party, but I’m sure he feels responsible in part because it was the family church.
I’m not sure Carol has a job so Hank might have technically have contributed via her, but I’m pretty certain he wasn’t involved because he didn’t know bail had been made and also said he was against it to Linda
Nothing that comes from that phone number can be trusted. Joyce knows that Carol can and has used Hank’s phone; specifically that time Carol used it to get around Joyce refusing to answer the phone when Carol called.
Hol up. Wait a minute. Is it just me or does Hank seem…. a 𝘭𝘰𝘵 more understanding than anyone married to Carol should be by any right?
He said “When.” Which makes me think maybe… he’s done this before. I think something similar, with less murder involved, happened with Jordan that pushed him away, and Hank knows Joyce is going to want some space away from what he represents to take some time and clear her head.
(On that note, my best guess for what happened with Jordan is that their fundamentalism made Jordan an outcast at school, which made him rebel cause that’s what kids do, and then in college with his first taste of freedom, something broke inside him)
I am imagining that Hank has been having doubts for a while now, but has been either lying to himself about it, or just not saying anything about it in the interest of domestic tranquility. People can go a long time avoiding confronting a problem if the potential consequences can be really dire.
Couple that with the fact that “dire consequences” are completely subjective and people avoid confronting a problem for a loooong time. Divorce, for example, may not seem as dire to some as others.
If she lets me.
When you see her, before I do.
He knows he’s not seeing Joyce today.
He fears he might not see Joyce again.
And after hearing Carol say her attacker did the right thing he can hardly blame Joyce.
Whatever happened with Jordan I think he decided to cut off his family.
I suppose TV Tropes would consider this an example of a “Heel-Face Turn”, but am I the only one who thinks that Hank wasn’t that much of a heel to begin with?
Hank really has picked up than Joyce is avoiding him, and considering the kidnapping events he is probably aware than Joyce might not be very keen on seeing him now.
Hopefully they are able to see each other, without Carol being near an specially before she is able to get near Joyce.
Mailboxes. If you’re living in Curry Wing, you can go right to that designated section to find your mailbox rather than having to remember where in that huge wall of pigeonholes YOUR particular pigeonhole was located.
And I suspect that the reason one bank says Clark and then Curry beneath it is that the last of the Clark Wing boxes are there, and then the Curry Wing boxes follow them
Those take a long time, can be confusing if you don’t bus regularly and haven’t planned the trip, and probably don’t go all the way into their small town (or at least not the more rural part Joyce and Becky lived in).
Even if it worked perfectly, she’d still be very delayed getting home. Also if she’s like me she forgets her keys when her partner drives her.
Yeah… but it kinda rises questions about how much he SHOULD have figured out given how well he knew the ringleaders, including his wife.
When he found out, was his initial reaction “I can’t believe they did that” or “I should have seen that coming”?
SHOULD he have seen that coming? If so, should he have done more to protect his daughters and their friends? I kinda think his own answer to that question is yes.
I think the Keeners probably witnessed the whole encounter between Carol and Linda, as well as Hank’s reaction to it. Hopefully they will mention this to the kids (or Dorothy, who will be able to convince Joyce to think of them as individuals)…
For some reason, I can hear ‘The Lonely Man’ playing, the end titles of the 1970s The Incredible Hulk. I’ve got a feeling that Hank is going to do something… ill-considered but that he considers necessary.
Yeah. I’m not getting a “put this patient on suicide watch” vibe, but there is definitely something in what you suggest, a hint of desperate and dramatic self-punishment in the offing.
He’s probably going on a walk, because he’s got a lot of thinking and soul-searching to do. He finally has to face what he’s probably suspected about his wife, and himself, but pushed to the back burner because it was easier.
For the rest of the chapter, DoA becomes a road trip comic featuring Hank. We follow him past all the important landmarks Galasso’s, the kidnapping house, the bridge where Joyce decked Toedead, the Mike drop fire escape, and of course no DoA tour is complete without a visit to Blowjob Cat.
In all seriousness, I love his growth. In recent months, I’ve seen my own dad re-examine a few of his views—in small ways, but it’s still more than I’d ever realistically hoped for. My dad is a stubborn man, always has been. But I’ve seen him rethink his opinions this year. He’s reasonable, in a way my mother isn’t. Part of me hopes that maybe, when I tell him I’m his son and not his daughter, he might surprise me.
Anyway, let’s hear it for dads learning and growing. :’)
In my experience, there are two main reactions to discovering that a person you think well of belongs to a group you have hitherto thought badly of. The first is to think worse of the person, but the second is to think better of the group.
"I always thought all those people were Like That, but this person I like/love belongs to that group, and I know *they're* not Like That. So maybe other members of that group aren't either."
While I’m all for Hank’s redemption arc, if someone ever came up to me and said in all earnestness “(Last name), you humble me,” I feel like I’d have my work cut out for me trying not to cringe off the face of the planet. That’s the sort of thing you put in a public speech or movie script, not something you just drop in conversation.
I don’t know if I’ve ever mentioned this before but, to me, Hank is the most honestly Christian character in this strip. Flawed, yes, but which of us aren’t? However, he has a loving heart and a strong conscience and rellies on those to guide him.
Most of the cast is at least nominally Christian – though some don’t do much with it.
Ethan and Joe are Jewish. Raidah is Muslim. Dorothy is atheist. As far as I know, everyone else at least defaults to Christian. Has anyone other than Dorothy declared themselves atheist?
I was skipping the nominal Christians. A few strips before one of those, Joyce wakes Billie up to go to church, and she basically self-identifies as a nominal Christian.
My point was that the number of active Christians was wider than just those previously numbered, and some of these who have gotten little screen time, (because their activities haven’t intersected with Joyce to create serious issues,) might rank pretty high, too. It most cases, it’s because they’ve not been awful with their faith that has marginalized them.
Do we discount Agatha because she’s not _Really_ Christian, (as many people hold the LDS)? She seems honestly spiritual.
Do we discount Sierra for having insufficient body modesty for church?
Do we discount Jacob for rejecting Joyce for dragging him into a lie? Do we then cut off Joyce for her own crisis of faith and anticipated rejection of her mother?
Do we discount Mary…okay, let’s discount Mary.
i am in opposition to constructions such as “she has doubts but she still is”. of course, im getting militant over people that don’t actually exist (and should be laughed at for that), but identity is unilateral.
every time i try that thought on i find i’m not yet sufficiently inflexible about it.
This has been answered by Bicycle Bill hereabove:
“Mailboxes. If you’re living in Curry Wing, you can go right to that designated section to find your mailbox rather than having to remember where in that huge wall of pigeonholes YOUR particular pigeonhole was located.
And I suspect that the reason one bank says Clark and then Curry beneath it is that the last of the Clark Wing boxes are there, and then the Curry Wing boxes follow them”.
this one just tears my heart up… after finally seeing what he’s been allowing for years, after finally coming to terms with what he was, he can’t bare to see his daughter right now, to subject her to himself.
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“not if she sees you first!”
wait no
“Um, I hate to see you go but I love to watch – no wait, that’s wrong too.”
Is it, though? Is it really?
Slipshine time x3
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it’s for Beck it’s for Beck it’s for Beck
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Well, it was…
Can’t stop the Faz.
It just makes me think of the curry trio in Utena
**squees because someone mentioned Utena**
The next strip will have something silly happen to Nanami.
Squees in anime…
Utena was best girl.
Miki was best boy.
Update the copyright date on your tumblr you fiend
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“Mostly for marrying her mother, but there some other things I’m sorry about too.”
Ow, my feelings.
I’M MELTING.
How long do you think it’ll be before he divorces Carol?
I’m guessing a few months
I’m guessing a few hours!
Unless this is the Divorce Storyline on top of everything else that’s bound to be in this chapter, I’ll take that bet.
(Remember, 1 chapter = 1 day in the DoAverse)
All it would take for me is one conversation between Carol and Joyce where Carol even tries to defend Ross’ actions to their daughter that he kidnapped and I would be out!
But I guess logistically it would be close to impossible to be officially divorced in a day right? Cause I’m sure Carol would fight it or something and maybe they’d try counselling and then all the legal shit. If you wanna get all boring and technical about it. Bleh.
I don’t know how it works in that state, but in general you can separate immediately, but the legal paperwork takes at least a few months.
There’s generally a waiting period between filing for divorce and its finalization, even if there are no contested issues. Indiana’s is sixty days. And since Joyce at least is under 21, legally there would be child support to theoretically determine. (Though since Carol doesn’t work, to our knowledge, that point is moot.)
Since there’s a hinted at time skip after this storyline, that might bump the timeline up in our world. But since we’re in mid-October and Willis probably doesn’t want to boot them all back home, it’s probably going to either zoom back in in November and then mysteriously Never Reach Finals or straight to January and spring semester beginning. One of these would allow the divorce to have potentially finalized offscreen, assuming Carol doesn’t fight it (but she probably would.) The other puts Hank in a limbo state of Divorcing, forever.
Now, will Hank FILE for it soon (and move out so Carol can donate the house to the church and they sell it to handle their sudden financial Expenses but still go bankrupt) is a different question.
I wonder if part of the reason for a timeskip would be so he doesn’t have to spend months with the cast in Halloween costumes.
Also there’s been that cool Hooded AG costume design for FOREVER that’s never had a chance to be used. We need colder weather to make it seasonally appropriate!
Have we even seen them in Halloween costumes yet?
We saw Sarah trying out a skeleton costume a few (in-comic) days ago. At this point Halloween’s still a week from now, however.
THAT JERK HAD BETTER NOT
I’VE WAITED SO LONG
I’d be very surprised if Carol could sell the house just because Hank had moved out. That is just the sort of thing that gets delayed until the divorce is final, unless both parties agree on what to to do.
When I sold my house, it required signatures from everybody on the deed. I can’t imagine the deed just having Carol’s name, unless she’s somehow the primary breadwinner. The sort of Christian family they’re shown to be would be much more likely to have just Hank’s name on the deed, so long as it’s a single-name deed.
I don’t know how common having both names on the deed is for people in this sort of a cult. It was at least a topic that came up in my parents’ Sunday school class, with my father being the one to ask the question of why any couple wouldn’t have both names on the deed, and just about every other couple in the class suggesting at least one reason why that might not happen. That church was… not as crazy as the church these people apparently are part of.
There should also be some provisions in the laws relating to marriage and divorce to at least strongly suggest that the house disposition be a joint decision or part of the legal settlement. I do recall hearing of a case which happened in a state other than Indiana, where one party of a divorce proceeding did have just their name on the deed for the house they both lived in, and managed to unilaterally sell the house. At least in that judge’s court room, it basically cost that party more than the total proceeds from the house, as the judge fairly quickly determined that it confirmed the pattern of behavior that the other party was complaining about, and decided that alimony wouldn’t get paid either. As such, assets were split something like 90% / 10%. (Note: the asshat who sold the house was also the only one of the pair who was gainfully employed.)
As such, I’d absolutely agree, Carol’s almost certainly not going to be able to sell the house without either shenanigans or Hank’s permission. If she does manage to, it’d probably cost her more than it inconvenienced Hank and Joyce.
I’d also be surprised if any timeskip were more than a couple of days. There are far too many plots dangling and too much character stuff that would need to be addressed offscreen.
I honestly don’t see how it CAN’T be the Divorce Storyline.
Well it can be a beginning to the whole divorce process (on top of everything else), but as pointed out above the full divorce process in Indiana takes at least sixty days, optimally speaking.
For reference here, Move-In Day was on 29 August and the current chapter is set on 21 October. We haven’t even hit sixty in-universe days since the beginning of the comic. It’d basically put Hank “in a limbo state of Divorcing, forever,” to quote Regalli above.
But the emotional impact can basically be focused on the separation and the decision, even if it isn’t finalized. I doubt that’ll be today, but we’ve definitely taken a big step towards it.
So we should be reading about it in 2090, got it.
Maybe another time skip? Then maybe we could also have Blaine convicted, Mike could wake up, etc.
Blaine? Convicted?
Yeah, not gonna happen. I b’lieve the term is un-uhh, no way, nope.
I’d bet he gets convicted. He’s a mob stooge, and he got national media attention, no doubt, for the whole “took six hostages and killed a guy and had it exposed on a Congresswoman’s twitter feed” thing. The mob’s not going to go to bat for a random stooge who brought down that much heat.
Blaine’s currently in jail for literally the only crime in Indiana which he can’t be bailed for (also, incidentally, the only one which carries the death penalty for what that’s worth). He’s almost certainly no longer in favor with the mob, and the crime was a high-profile case involving the aide to a member of Congress. What’s this path you see to him walking free?
Epstein did not get convicted (this time), but also did not walk free.
It’s entirely possible that Blaine will get the same treatment if the mob decides he might sing…
Exactly. I’m not banking on Blaine being convicted for anything. Amber’s going to get a dead fish with a hammer in its belly delivered to her dorm within the month.
” Amber’s going to get a dead fish with a hammer in its belly delivered to her dorm within the month.”
Eh? Is this a reference I don’t understand? (I understand the hammer. Not why it would be in a dead fish’s belly.)
It’s a reference to The Godfather. When one of the family’s top hitters was killed, his signature bulletproof vest was delivered to them wrapped around a dead fish, because he was “Sleeping with the Fishes,” AKA lying dead at the bottom of New York Harbor.
My guess is that Mike wakes up during the group visit.
My wild-ass guess is he wakes up from the coma with major personality changes, e.g. à la Walkyverse’s drunk!Mike, and the changes persist through the remainder of the comic.
Final chapter of the final book: Mike reveals that the changes in behavior were him making a conscious decision, and he figured he’d get less pushback if he just let everyone think it was brain damage.
Hopefully soon. He deserves better. So does Jocelyne.
Honestly, one of my happy realizations over the past few weeks was that at some point, even if it’s some point far off, Jocelyne is going to be able to tell Hank.
yeah I was thinking the exact same
I desperately want to see that story.
Actually, I mostly want Joyce to learn, she’s come so far. I think she’s just about at the point where she could cope with it, but her reaction would still be amusing.
got dang i cannot wait for joyce to discover she has a sister
Another sister.
I simultaneously look forward to it and also brace for it… Because yes, Joyce reliably chooses to love and accept, but that is also 18 years of inertia to break and Joyce changing her habits is something she struggles with.
Depends if they’re the type of Christians who believe in divorce for reasons other than infidelity.
I have good news!
infidelity
noun
1. marital disloyalty; adultery.
2. unfaithfulness; disloyalty.
3. lack of religious faith, especially Christian faith.
4. a breach of trust or a disloyal act; transgression.
She’s done most all of that.
I don’t think Hank gives a shit anymore. Carol will for sure fight it tho
I hope part of the fallout is that he moves away from La Porte, too. It does him no favours staying in a town with a toxic church who probably has its fingers deeper in the community than he’d like.
He’s a dentist, right? How easy is it for dentists to up stakes and shift their practice to another town?
Depends if he’s signed a non-compete or not, that’s one factor. My uncle had to do that at one point, temporarily prevented him from practicing in a desired area. Other factors, I don’t know about, however.
I’d imagine it’s fairly disruptive. Need to rent an office, move and set up your equipment, hire a hygienist and receptionist unless you do all that yourself, and build up a clientele so that you have actual income again… Oh, and then there’s the probably lease on the current office, and winding down patient relationships.
If you move states, then there’s getting licensed in the new state.
People do it, I found multiple ‘guides’, but it’s definitely not a casual endeavor, even compared to other “I had a wife and a house and now I’m moving out” relocations where a new employer might give you money right away.
They’re members of a church that is based out of a converted school building, presumably because that’s what they could afford. Odds of that being the only church in town are long. Odds of that being the main church in town are not as long but still up there. However, it might well be a blow to his professional practice if he changes churches at this point, as his old “friends” boycott him for being on the “wrong” side of an issue, or the whole churchs chooses to side with the one member of a marital split that is still also a member of the church. Either by itself could cause a slump in his business, but both together, and especially the separation/divorce one, and I suspect anyone who was both a patient and a fellow parishioner will be moving their business to a new dentist.
Depends on how religious he is and what his religion says. Some religions frown on divorce. Not sure what theirs believes in, other than allowing potential abusers and violent people to run free.
I don’t know how fundamentalist Christianity works but are they even allowed to get divorced?
Signs point to “yes, or at leas they do divorce, a lot” https://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
There’s the “you can divorce but not remarry because that would be adultery” dodge, but I suspect they often just remarry anyway. I of course can’t speak for Willis’s childhood church(es?)
Matthew 19:5-6 “For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate” That’s the words of some guy named Jesus, supposedly well known among fundamentalists. Yet fundamentalists have one of the highest divorce rates in America. I guess their reasoning is “my divorce is different”, just like their abortion is different, or their general misanthropy.
Nonononon. The question is how long until he is _Not_Married_ to Carol. Didn’t you listen to Joyce at the start of this arc?
“When”, not “if”.
Is he afraid she won’t forgive him, or does he feel she shouldn’t?
I think he just knows she is avoiding talking to her family right now
And, while he’s sad about that, he knows that they’ve earned it – Carol more than him, but he took too long to stand up to her.
Oh good, I was worried that he was just straight up leaving.
(Which doesn’t make sense I realize, since he’d be leaving Joyce alone for the inevitable confrontation with her mom.)
I think he’s acknowledging that Joyce is very likely to be hanging out with Dorothy, and will be avoiding Hank and Linda.
Wait. Carol.
I’m sure she’ll also avoid Linda.
I don’t know, if she hears Linda wants to get Amber kicked out of school because of her father’s actions, she may Have Words to say to Linda. That thing hopefully won’t be punching her in the face, and by demonstrating how much more reasonable she is than her mother, Joyce will force Linda to drop her nonsense.
Because reasonableness always works.
I’m hoping the contrast between “so utterly batshit that she flat-out denies reality without batting an eyelid and supports acts of violence aimed at her own child, she left Linda speechless” and “upset, impassioned – but dealing with facts, and remaining moderately polite”, from a parent and their child, will take the wind out of Linda’s sails and make it difficult to continue to blame one for the sins of the other whilst maintaining any remotely objective right to claim the moral highground, and either that or not wanting people to think she looks as crazy* as Carol, will get her to drop the anti-Amber crusade…
*crazy not intended to disparage or insult anybody with any actual mental health diagnosis, but rather to denote a wilful refusal to back down in the face of a mountain of evidence indicating one is incorrect, and a complete refusal to display empathy for anybody who might disagree with oneself, along with a huge side-helping of victim-blaming and playing the martyr. English unfortunately lacks a better word to encapsulate that without any sort of ableism (unless something is escaping me?)…
“Foolish” works, but it doesn’t have the same potency these days.
I’d call her an obstinate, mule-headed, fool. Possibly a toxically obstinate, mule-headed fool. I know I’m doubling down on the obstinance, but still.
Joyce is refusing to see either of her parents right now, so (if Joyce is hanging out with Dorothy, which isn’t an unreasonable assumption right now) it’s unlikely she’d see Hank before Deborah and Jeremiah.
I imagine he’s probably thinking–rightly so–that Joyce would want to meet with the Keeners before she deigns to meet with her parents.
It can be both!
This was also my thought. Hank knows his daughter wants to see the keeners more than she wants to see him and understandably that hurts. But he understands and tries to be better instead of being angry. I have to say I like Hank.
Yeah. Hank, like Joyce, is a good person, who has to unlearn a lot of bad shit, and like Joyce, has recognized that and is trying to do so.
Recognizing that they’ve done Joyce wrong and she needs space to process that before she can forgive him – and maybe even that she has no obligation to do that, even if he does redeem himself fully – is a big step in that.
What was that you said about redemption, Rachel?
Someday we’ll know who hurt Rachel.
Plot Twist, it was Mike. She made him swear to never do her mom. And then someone Gave him a Nickel.
It was her mom and yours.
I mean, Ruth.
An angry cynical woman seems like not such a big cause for a change of perspective unless Ruth did something awful that will be revealed later.
It seems pretty much a given. We know that Ruth was a terror of a RA even before this year, and that she doesn’t remember much of what hell she put Rachel through during their roommate year, except that ‘apologies wouldn’t be enough’.
We saw in a start-of-chapter flashback a while back that Ruth and Rachel were freshman year roommates.
We know that Ruth’s been incredibly depressed for a period of years, and drinking for quite some time as well. We know that Ruth’s RA style was ‘threats of and actual physical abuse.’ I suspect that eventually, there’s going to be a reveal about something in that time frame that was in fact ‘yeah no Rachel’s fully in her rights not to forgive Ruth, ever’ territory.
Yeah in the flashback ruth was a jerk but I feel Rachel’s issues run deeper than her
We know Ruth is a part of it but not precisely what her role is in it as, Rachel, due to her grudge, is an unreliable narrator for us of how much Ruth actually screwed up and refuses to remind Ruth of why exactly she is so mad at her.
We don’t know if it is something Ruth actively did to her on purpose or failed to do (on purpose or by accident) or if it is a misunderstanding of events where Ruth thought one thing and moved on while Rachel thought another and held onto the memories or if there were other people involved and Ruth’s just the one carrying all the blame. We don’t even know if Ruth is the primary person who should be blamed, or if she is just the one Rachel is choosing to blame yet. We only know Ruth wasn’t the friendliest to her when they first met so far.
Given how messed up we know Ruth is and especially was, it’s unlikely to be a simple misunderstanding.
Rachel may well have her own issues that keep her from moving past it, but I’d be shocked if Ruth wasn’t mostly at fault there.
You can’t just. Wear plain white shoes Hank. Those look like socks.
Oh I see it now and I love it!
“My wife bought me those shoes, YEET”
“She bought this shirt, too! And these pants! You know what? I’m on a college campus, fuck it!”
And that’s how a new generation discovered Streaking.
“Joyce your dad is..”
“I don’t want to hear it…”
“That’s probably true but..you DO.”
“no Joyce you don’t want to SEE it”
Don’t look, Ethel!
But it was too late, she’d been MOONed.
Worst Witch reference!!!
Wait, no, Ethel Hallow… What am I thinking of then? *puzzled and headachey*
This, maybe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtzoUu7w-YM
Jinx is correct.
I had the Ktel record with that song.
She was incensed!
As someone who was closer to my dad than my mom, this is breaking my heart!!!!
Oh Hank, Joyce would probably let just you come up. Maybe. I’m bracing for a hard cut back to the Mom trying to get past Ruth with a bible as a weapon.
Well, the Bible, and some tear gas and federal troops.
She’s Out of My Life…
Curry curry curry CARD CARD!
Hurling? … No wait, that doesn’t work, that’s a real thing. Dammit!
My first reaction was that was background noise and I was confused for a moment.
Curry carding your horse’s winter coat
I don’t know why my brain went there, it seems to have a mind of its own tonight
That or a chicken curry recipe card
I’ll take “Phrases Only Canadians Will Understand” for 400, Alex.
curry curry curry
For some reason, I immediately thought of that old SNL bit: “Cheeseburger, Cheeseburger, Cheeseburger, Pepsi, Pepsi, Pepsi”.
“Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.”
What does clark curry taste like?
Crow, apparently.
I see what you did there.
Depends on what he has been eating recently.
… Maybe I have seen too many bad movies, stories, games etc., but why do I have a feeling that this is the last time we will see Hank alive and well.
(kinda getting the Scream “I will be right back” flag going on here)
Clearly we’re watching a different class of bad movies. In mine, the next time we see Hank he’s coming out to Joyce.
What do you think is going to get him killed?
“Karen” probably has suspensions already.
Maybe he is going to go off and create a vigilante persona?
Ooh! I vote for this!
MarvelDentist! The Toothomancer!
I don’t think he’s gonna die, but i do think the “I’m sorry” might have a dual meaning. I think it’s very likely that he and Carol are gonna get a divorce soon, and we’ve already seen Joyce really doesn’t want that to happen.
It’s likely to change her opinion. I mean, if her parents are an inseperable unit, she’ll end up with no parents because she’ll not want her mom in her life. If they separate though, she gets to keep her dad.
“Can’t imagine it because she is so used to considering her parents a united front that the idea of them disagreeing is overwhelming” and “Would be relieved to find out how strongly her father disagrees with her mother’s doubling down in support of Toedad’s horrendous actions, and loves and wants to support her” can both be true.
One common thing I keep hearing from some people is that the best thing you can hope for as a parent is that your child grows to be a better person than you are. I’m no parent myself yet but if I do become one and I’m lucky enough see that myself than I can say it will be a honor worth raising them.
I hope he texts her. It doesn’t have to explain everything or say that, just like ‘I’m sorry about everything*. I’m going to give you space but if you ever feel ready to talk, please let me know. Your mom doesn’t need to be involved.’
Like she said when her phone was ringing off the hook, if something is important he can text her. And that is important.
*I’m of the opinion that saying ‘everything’ doesn’t really count as being accountable for the specific wrong actions one has done, but it’s enough for a text introducing the idea
‘or say that’ = ‘or say what he said to the Keeners’
Especially given Joyce is so totally spent on the Complicated Emotions About Authority Figures Who Have Failed Her front, a short text and ‘everything’ is definitely sufficient right now.
this is also why I went with ‘your mom doesn’t need to be involved,’ because telling her they’re having marriage difficulties or introducing it in the frame of ‘we can keep it a secret from your mom’ might unintentionally put stress about their relationship on Joyce
And he can be sorry about everything even if he’s not responsible for everything.
I don’t think Hank was involved in the Let’s Bail Out the Kidnapper Party, but I’m sure he feels responsible in part because it was the family church.
I’m not sure Carol has a job so Hank might have technically have contributed via her, but I’m pretty certain he wasn’t involved because he didn’t know bail had been made and also said he was against it to Linda
Nothing that comes from that phone number can be trusted. Joyce knows that Carol can and has used Hank’s phone; specifically that time Carol used it to get around Joyce refusing to answer the phone when Carol called.
Video message? That might be outside his wheelhouse though
Hol up. Wait a minute. Is it just me or does Hank seem…. a 𝘭𝘰𝘵 more understanding than anyone married to Carol should be by any right?
He said “When.” Which makes me think maybe… he’s done this before. I think something similar, with less murder involved, happened with Jordan that pushed him away, and Hank knows Joyce is going to want some space away from what he represents to take some time and clear her head.
(On that note, my best guess for what happened with Jordan is that their fundamentalism made Jordan an outcast at school, which made him rebel cause that’s what kids do, and then in college with his first taste of freedom, something broke inside him)
I wrote you a really long answer then realized I misunderstood the question
I’mma be honest, the “question” was mostly just me asking myself stuff cause that’s how I figure things out 😛
another way in which I misunderstood the question
I am imagining that Hank has been having doubts for a while now, but has been either lying to himself about it, or just not saying anything about it in the interest of domestic tranquility. People can go a long time avoiding confronting a problem if the potential consequences can be really dire.
Couple that with the fact that “dire consequences” are completely subjective and people avoid confronting a problem for a loooong time. Divorce, for example, may not seem as dire to some as others.
I’m still wondering if we’ll ever find out what happened with Jordan.
SOON™
If she lets me.
When you see her, before I do.
He knows he’s not seeing Joyce today.
He fears he might not see Joyce again.
And after hearing Carol say her attacker did the right thing he can hardly blame Joyce.
Whatever happened with Jordan I think he decided to cut off his family.
Yeaahhhhhhh, this just isn’t his day. Or, really, anyone’s day.
Can you people notice between the difference between the nervous smiles of the Keeners on the before strips and the genuine ones in here?
I suppose TV Tropes would consider this an example of a “Heel-Face Turn”, but am I the only one who thinks that Hank wasn’t that much of a heel to begin with?
Well, he did once unironically compare Dorothy to Hitler. That’s kind of heel-ish behavior.
I’m with you dog, I’m a big Hank fan.
Hank really has picked up than Joyce is avoiding him, and considering the kidnapping events he is probably aware than Joyce might not be very keen on seeing him now.
Hopefully they are able to see each other, without Carol being near an specially before she is able to get near Joyce.
Three Aquamans for every Superman. Seems right.
Ha! Love it.
Okay, completely off-topic, but – what do the “clark curry curry curry”s on the wall signify? I’m stumped.
which wing each (poster? mailbox? map?) refers to, I think
but at first I thought they (or someone in the background) were murmuring those under their breath
Mailboxes. If you’re living in Curry Wing, you can go right to that designated section to find your mailbox rather than having to remember where in that huge wall of pigeonholes YOUR particular pigeonhole was located.
And I suspect that the reason one bank says Clark and then Curry beneath it is that the last of the Clark Wing boxes are there, and then the Curry Wing boxes follow them
This. It’s how my university dorms did it.
Wait y’all get mail boxes? We just have to use the post office next to campus
HAAAAAAAAAAAAANK *hugs*
JOYCE GO LOVE YOUR FATHER
Is it wrong I want them to be every bit as bad as the other parents? I’d love for them to be Irish mobsters.
Maybe a balance. Mobsters, but mobsters who sincerely love and support their kid.
The cast does have about the right gender balance for Runaways.
Grooming their daughter to become President to turn the country into a criminal enterprise?
Nah, that’s completely unrealistic.
DAMN YOU, WILLIS! THESE FEEEEEELS!!
drive! home! without! carol!
security can deal with getting her off campus
leave her with Joyce and without the need to uphold a polite front???? That doesn’t sound optimal
leave! carol! at! a! gas! station!
Good save
Intercity busses do run there. Remember Dina sent Ross on that wild goose chase “to the mall”.
Those take a long time, can be confusing if you don’t bus regularly and haven’t planned the trip, and probably don’t go all the way into their small town (or at least not the more rural part Joyce and Becky lived in).
Even if it worked perfectly, she’d still be very delayed getting home. Also if she’s like me she forgets her keys when her partner drives her.
You laid that all out like it was a bad thing.
“also, sorry about that whole ‘enabeling the guy who kidnapped your daughter’ thing my church did”
In Hank’s defence, I doubt he knew about that until after the fact.
Yeah… but it kinda rises questions about how much he SHOULD have figured out given how well he knew the ringleaders, including his wife.
When he found out, was his initial reaction “I can’t believe they did that” or “I should have seen that coming”?
SHOULD he have seen that coming? If so, should he have done more to protect his daughters and their friends? I kinda think his own answer to that question is yes.
asdfdf i was all ready to comment about the curries but the alt text beat me to it
seriously though, Hank i’m gonna cry
Took me a moment to figure out “Clark Curry Curry” wasn’t some odd sound effect in the background.
Is Hank saying that he has not yet grown well or far enough to associate with atheists such as the Keeners?
At the very least, he’s seen that Joyce came to accept atheist people as people faster than he did through her friendship with Dorothy.
I think he’s assuming that they wouldn’t want anything to do with HIM. It’s not unreasonable.
I hope Joyce can change her view on ‘my parents are a unit’ and talk to Hank.
Hopefully, seeing his absence from Carol’s crusade will help that.
I think the Keeners probably witnessed the whole encounter between Carol and Linda, as well as Hank’s reaction to it. Hopefully they will mention this to the kids (or Dorothy, who will be able to convince Joyce to think of them as individuals)…
For some reason, I can hear ‘The Lonely Man’ playing, the end titles of the 1970s The Incredible Hulk. I’ve got a feeling that Hank is going to do something… ill-considered but that he considers necessary.
Yeah. I’m not getting a “put this patient on suicide watch” vibe, but there is definitely something in what you suggest, a hint of desperate and dramatic self-punishment in the offing.
🙁
Hank pulls out phone, dials, waits through the voicemail…
“Yeah, hi, Jordan, it’s me, I’m sorry, I hope you can forgive me, can we talk?”
He’s probably going on a walk, because he’s got a lot of thinking and soul-searching to do. He finally has to face what he’s probably suspected about his wife, and himself, but pushed to the back burner because it was easier.
And after walking and thinking for a while, he is going to stop and look around, and say “where the hell am I?”
For the rest of the chapter, DoA becomes a road trip comic featuring Hank. We follow him past all the important landmarks Galasso’s, the kidnapping house, the bridge where Joyce decked Toedead, the Mike drop fire escape, and of course no DoA tour is complete without a visit to Blowjob Cat.
Then what you said happens, then time jump.
Aw geez, Hank, you’re gonna make me cry.
In all seriousness, I love his growth. In recent months, I’ve seen my own dad re-examine a few of his views—in small ways, but it’s still more than I’d ever realistically hoped for. My dad is a stubborn man, always has been. But I’ve seen him rethink his opinions this year. He’s reasonable, in a way my mother isn’t. Part of me hopes that maybe, when I tell him I’m his son and not his daughter, he might surprise me.
Anyway, let’s hear it for dads learning and growing. :’)
I really hope he does surprise you. <3
In my experience, there are two main reactions to discovering that a person you think well of belongs to a group you have hitherto thought badly of. The first is to think worse of the person, but the second is to think better of the group.
"I always thought all those people were Like That, but this person I like/love belongs to that group, and I know *they're* not Like That. So maybe other members of that group aren't either."
It's worth hoping for. 🙂
While I’m all for Hank’s redemption arc, if someone ever came up to me and said in all earnestness “(Last name), you humble me,” I feel like I’d have my work cut out for me trying not to cringe off the face of the planet. That’s the sort of thing you put in a public speech or movie script, not something you just drop in conversation.
Hank apparently disagrees :v
I haven’t said it to anyone’s face, but I have said it in a written message. If the person cringed, they didn’t tell me so. 🙂
I would imagine that the only kind of person who would actually do that is the kind of person you would almost expect to say it that way.
Church people do talk this way. “Humble” as a verb just isn’t something most people use. Maybe they should.
Haven’t hung out with American evangelical Christians much, huh?
I don’t know if I’ve ever mentioned this before but, to me, Hank is the most honestly Christian character in this strip. Flawed, yes, but which of us aren’t? However, he has a loving heart and a strong conscience and rellies on those to guide him.
I’d argue second after Becky.
Third, if you still count Joyce as a Christian (she has doubts but she still is).
We have several other characters who are Christian, but they get less screen time. Also, Joyce has gone to church with at least three of them (although I wouldn’t generally qualify Mary as a Christian. Maybe a “Christian”.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/02-choosing-my-religion/guitars/
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-8/01-face-the-strange/kneel/
Most of the cast is at least nominally Christian – though some don’t do much with it.
Ethan and Joe are Jewish. Raidah is Muslim. Dorothy is atheist. As far as I know, everyone else at least defaults to Christian. Has anyone other than Dorothy declared themselves atheist?
I was skipping the nominal Christians. A few strips before one of those, Joyce wakes Billie up to go to church, and she basically self-identifies as a nominal Christian.
My point was that the number of active Christians was wider than just those previously numbered, and some of these who have gotten little screen time, (because their activities haven’t intersected with Joyce to create serious issues,) might rank pretty high, too. It most cases, it’s because they’ve not been awful with their faith that has marginalized them.
Do we discount Agatha because she’s not _Really_ Christian, (as many people hold the LDS)? She seems honestly spiritual.
Do we discount Sierra for having insufficient body modesty for church?
Do we discount Jacob for rejecting Joyce for dragging him into a lie? Do we then cut off Joyce for her own crisis of faith and anticipated rejection of her mother?
Do we discount Mary…okay, let’s discount Mary.
But Hank still is in the Top-3 of more honestly Christian fundies in the strip.
Dina’s another atheist.
i am in opposition to constructions such as “she has doubts but she still is”. of course, im getting militant over people that don’t actually exist (and should be laughed at for that), but identity is unilateral.
every time i try that thought on i find i’m not yet sufficiently inflexible about it.
You got me honestly curious about how being Christian can be a binary yes/no thing. But I struggle to see binariness in anything, so maybe it’s me.
Ok, I know this is the single least important thing to be focusing on here, but why exactly does it just say “curry” on the wall over and over again?
This has been answered by Bicycle Bill hereabove:
“Mailboxes. If you’re living in Curry Wing, you can go right to that designated section to find your mailbox rather than having to remember where in that huge wall of pigeonholes YOUR particular pigeonhole was located.
And I suspect that the reason one bank says Clark and then Curry beneath it is that the last of the Clark Wing boxes are there, and then the Curry Wing boxes follow them”.
There’s also a Landes at the end of the last panel.
Must be hard on the man, living with a blindly zealous harridan.
Hank won’t be living with her for long, thankfully.
(By which I mean they’ll separate.)
Hank. You, lovable, sad man. I hope you will go better soon.
this one just tears my heart up… after finally seeing what he’s been allowing for years, after finally coming to terms with what he was, he can’t bare to see his daughter right now, to subject her to himself.
Okay, this was the best possible character development outcome.
Are we actually skipping the “Damn you, Willis” progrssion for a change? =O
Good for Hank. Never too late to change, especially for the people who matter most.
That last panel I tear up
Meanwhile Jocelyn: “I feel a great disturbance in the force”
Curry curry curry
Turmeric cumin cardamom coriander [seed to you Brits] cayenne…
Am I doing this wrong?