Scrappy: A character who’s meant to be endearing but is just annoying
Mary isn’t a scrappy because we’re supposed to hate her. Becky isn’t a scrappy either, because a sizable chunk of the audience really likes her. Becky is more of a Vriska, in that she’s a divisive character some people really love and some people really hate
(And some people really hate just because she’s gay, but those people aren’t worth considering)
The Scrappies for me are Mary, Amber’s dad and step mom, Joyce’s mom, Ethan’s mom, Becky’s dad, Danny’s parents, Malaya in her worst days, Sal and Walky’s mom, the bigot’s at Joyce’s old church, Rachel when she give a cynical speech and Walkyverse Danny.
Nah, most of those aren’t Scrappies. Remember, a key part of the Scrappy is that they are meant to be liked (or at least accepted) by the audience, but they ain’t, because they’re so damned annoying. Becky actually was viewed as “the Scrappy” by a lot of folks at various points, though the criticisms seem to have died down a bit lately.
Malaya might be a Scrappy; Rachel and Danny both at least approach that, though they have their admirers and supporters, too. The parents you name, Ryan the rapist, the douchebag who attacked Marcie–they’re all Hate Sinks.
I think some folks have Roze as the Scrappy, though reluctantly–she has the ‘right’ views, but her manner and tactics are so abrasive that she rubs even the bleeding-heart hippies here (myself included) the wrong way.
Yeah, villains can be Scrappies, but they have to be disliked as villains – you can hate them as people, but if most don’t enjoy them as antagonists, they can hit Scrappy status. As villains generally need to be overused.
Maybe Roz and Malaya? I’m not sure how much we’re actually supposed to like them. Their role is mostly as foils to the main characters. Even if they’re ‘right’, they’re not supposed to be liked.
Becky was seen by some that way – though she always had a stalwart contingent of defenders who really liked her. Carla makes a similar split. I think they’re more just polarizing than actual Scrappies. And honestly I think the Scrappy view of both is a misreading of the characters. They both are hard characters to get across I suspect since their surface presentation (goofy Becky and asshole Carla) is mostly a facade that covers all their real emotions.
Mostly though, it’s a good thing there aren’t any real Scrappies. The whole point of a Scrappy is that it’s a failure of a character. It’s a character who doesn’t get accepted as the author intended. In extreme case one that drives the audience away.
Hand in Hand to driving the audience away is the author haveing a hissy fit and doing bad things to reader beloved characters because THEY liked this failure of a character too much and didn’t step back and look at it from the readers perspective.
Some would call that colon vision or some variant thereof.
A lot of people having trouble with this, so quick reminder: Becky has not told Roz she plans to sabotage Robin’s campaign. She hasn’t told anyone that. Becky is pretending to campaign for real, and she’s actually doing a half-decent job of it by telling her friends, “Don’t worry, I control the message.”
Kind of like how so-called moderate Republicans told themselves Trump could be brought to heel.
I’m not speaking to Roz’s and Becky’s extremely stupid behavior here, but Roz is right to call Becky out over what seems like a very bad plan, and aggressively.
(Also Becky does not know politics and Roz does and Becky’s “I’m scrappy” is a sign of deep hubris.)
She didn’t. That’s the point. Becky has only stated to herself, “Haha, it’s no risk, Robin will never win.” She has never openly told anybody if that’s her plan.
She is not planning on Robin winning. We know that much. The rest is conjecture—but as long as she needs to keep pretending to actually campaign for Robin, Roz is going to be fully justified in calling her out for playing with fire.
This exactly. I do think it’s worth remembering that Robin is explicitly a bit of a Trump allegory/parody. Hell, didn’t Clinton’s campaign literally try to promote Trump early on, figuring he’d be an easy opponent to beat/that he’d “never actually win so who cares”?
I’m not saying Robin’s a mirror, but Willis could easily be going for a moral about the danger in taking Robin’s loss for granted and trying to profit from it.
Oh and I said this earlier, but I’m getting really tired of Roz’s big role being “the privileged loudmouth leftist ally who talks over minorities”. We all know that that particular trope is very rarely performed by a woman of color in Indiana.
So when you say “Becky has not told Roz she plans to sabotage Robin’s campaign” what you mean is “Becky has in fact told Roz she is actively sabotaging Robin’s campaign, but because I personally feel there is some chance Becky’s form of sabotage could backfire, that does not count as sabotage at all and therefore it is absolutely fair game for Roz to view Becky as a sellout fundie Republican shill and act accordingly despite direct plain words to the contrary”? Have I read you correctly?
Roz has been pretty clear that her concerns aren’t just with Becky’s background, but her lack of political experience, which could potentially lead to helping Robin more than she hurts. Roz is telling Becky, “Even if you mean well, Robin is better at this than you.”
Which Robin is.
Anyways, you aren’t actually engaging with what I’m saying, so I’ll leave you be. The “This is you hurr durr” line of argument isn’t really my scene. If you actually care to understand me, read my post more carefully, or read what I said to Sam below.
The first sentence of your opening post is a falsehood, on which you built the rest of your argument. You responded to correction with flippancy. I am merely attempting to emphasize the absurdity of your position based on a falsehood.
In an admittedly jerkish way, but hey, you didn’t say the specific words “Simon Says I’m sabotaging Robin’s campaign red rover red rover no takebacks”, so that’s allowed, right?
Wait. Your argument is that Becky is trying to sabotage Robin’s already losing campaign but because she’s new to politics she could accidentally do something brilliant and save it?
And we’re expected to take this as a serious threat? Or take Roz seriously for believing it?
I mean, it could work out, but if it does it’ll be because of “wacky Robin hijinks” not anything that makes sense.
In any kind of political reality, campaigning for a couple weeks as a radical leftist after a term (and months of campaigning) as a reactionary Republican doesn’t win elections, it just sinks you further. This isn’t even Trump’s laughable attempts at outreach to Hispanics, this is Trump handing his entire campaign over to an Immigrant rights group in the middle of October 2016.
Diagram for me how slamming a Republican’s platform to the left in as backwards a state as Indiana isn’t sabotage.
I’m not a fan of how Becky is acting here. Smug and shitty is never a good look. Period, end of sentence, don’t “Well, what about…?” me on this. But if Roz is the badass political operative/saboteur she clearly thinks of herself as, she should be able to see what Becky is doing without having it spelled out.
Robin is capable of great damage, yes. She is also insanely impulsive and easily manipulated. This could blow up in Becky’s face, but until now she had the high ground.
I think Becky’s “I control the messaging” is obfuscating it for Roz, and bear in mind, she’s running against a *Democrat* in Indiana. There’s really no telling who’s going to win in this race—a sort of ex-Republican who’s reaching to her opponent’s left and getting tons of media buzz, or a guy with “D” next to his name.
The only thing we know for sure is that Robin’s campaign was basically dead in the water. Now it’s a stick of dynamite in the water: Sure, Becky might destroy it even more, but Roz is upset that Becky’s taking the chance at all.
Roz is explicitly saying, “I know you think you’re good at this, but Robin is way better at politics than you think. She will use you. Clueless as she seems, Robin is better at politics than you.” That’s why Becky’s cockiness is a concern to Roz and I.
Roz is totally being a jerk, though. I said that in my OP.
I do wanna be clear here: Roz has basically two interpretations of what Becky is doing.
1. Becky is being sincere when she says “I control Robin’s messaging.” Becky actually believes she can make Robin a good congresswoman. Roz, who has dealt with her sister’s toxic control for years, thinks Becky is being cocky as fuck.
2. Becky is trying to “sabotage Robin’s campaign” even more than it already has been. This is a dumb idea. Robin was already in bad straits—there’s a reason she wants to bring Becky on. “Your tweets are the only thing people like about me.” There are dumber ways to give a campaign some adrenaline.
Oh, and the actual reason (which Roz doesn’t know) is that Becky is just praying that Robin’s loss is guaranteed so Becky can get herself things she needs. Becky doesn’t actually have any direct interest in sabotage—that’s not her motivation, it’s her excuse for doing this. No judgment, I’m just saying, it feels like people are really skewing around the facts of this here.
Becky must have some motivation, because she’s been sabotaging Robin all along. She’s been using Robin’s hacked Twitter to spread a leftist message ever since Robin left Leslie’s.
Now she’s just getting paid for it. Getting paid hasn’t really changed what she’s doing.
Actually, she DID tell Roz. To her face. That she didn’t plan to unsabotage anything and was if anything, doing perpendicular sabotage. Roz refused to believe her based on her upbringing.
I just responded to this, but to expand—if Becky was openly saying, “I don’t plan for Robin to win,” why would she be making such a big deal about how she controls Robin’s messaging?
The answer is that she didn’t actually tell Roz she was trying to sabotage Robin’s campaign… at least, not fully. If you check out the comics in question, you’ll notice that immediately after, she clarifies her statement. Becky is using “sabotage” to mean “derail Robin’s issues and make her presentable”.
Because she’s trying to pretend she’s earnestly campaigning, remember? That’s also why she’s giving everyone in the dorm tweets supporting their pet issues.
The danger is that if she actually convinces everyone that she controls Robin’s messaging, she might accidentally succeed.
Succeed in getting people to vote for Robin, that is.
I think this scene is setting up Roz as the heel—too aggressive, too quick to leap to blows, too sensitive about her economic privilege—as a part of the “Pride comes before a fall” parable for Becky. Becky might successfully embarrass Roz here (and yeah, nothing there about the white girl who doesn’t know politics condescending to the brown girl who’s explicitly an expert on politics). The fall comes later.
Becky is not qualified to run a stealth sabotage race. Roz is right to warn her. Becky is playing with fire.
Yeah, growing up with a politician for a sister and looking up politics on Google gives her just the minimum leg up on Becky, who’s never had either of those things in her life really.
Roz has spoken to Dorothy about how politics is an environment she was raised in. Roz is a staunch activist who willingly exposes herself to horrible online harassment for her beliefs (y’know, that thing that happens when women of color are both leftist and sexually open). She volunteers for Planned Parenthood in Indiana. A couple states over, she’d be at risk of getting carbombed for that.
Roz has a lot of flaws, but y’all seem to think she’s, like, an armchair activist all of a sudden. Roz puts in the time. She walks the walk.
Roz has not nearly put as much time as you think. I just did a cursory glance at the archive, and the conclusion I’ve reached is: She’s just a kid, man. She doles out unearned knowledge and is obtuse at times; the only real thing she’s done is put her body out on the internet as a protest. She’s just a kid and is as inexperienced as Becky is.
The idea that Roz is an experienced protester and advocate is a narrative that Roz herself has put out there. Whether or not she walks the walk really remains to be seen.
ninja_jesus, Roz really does do feminist activism like volunteering for Planned Parenthood in Indiana. Whatever else you may think of her, that is definitely walking the walk. We just don’t see her do it very often because none of the storylines have followed her there.
@RacingTurtle: Okay, I’ll admit that the Planned Parenthood volunteering is one thing she’s done as an activist. That and the sex tape protest are the only things she’s shown to have done, but a lot of her interactions with people are of her talking down to others and pushing her viewpoints over those with more experience. Until the story shows more of her efforts as an activist, I’m still of the opinion that she’s just a kid, with little experience and with more privilege than others; “legacy admission” seems to have hit a bullseye.
I do not see that as clarification, I see that as an entirely different statement. I see her stating she is sabotaging her and that she is in control of her message as two different aspects. At first I’m pretty sure Becky was trying to calm Roz down by going ‘I don’t plan to undo your work’ and ‘look, I can control her messaging alright, if you want something, just ask’ to try to prove to Roz that she’s willing to meet her halfway.
And now she’s just like ‘fuck it, you’re not listening to me at all so who gives a damn what you think, fuck off’. Also, I highly doubt Becky *can* succeed. She is literally the only person on staff with no experience and no true desire to help her win. Even if she could convince one floor, that’s like, how many people really? 30? Probably not enough to catch up with Robin’s opponent.
We’re kinda assuming that Robin is being totally honest about her plans for Becky. Roz is saying here that Robin is way better at manipulating people than we think. Roz would know.
Becky’s probably not just a campaign manager. She’s almost definitely a tool Robin plans to use. Robin’s not a criminal mastermind, but Roz is saying, “Hey, I grew up with this woman, and she’s better at this than you assume.”
Roz’s alarm isn’t unwarranted. It seems to be built on her own experiences with Robin.
Maybe it’s just that I have a lot of trouble reading Robin that way. Robin’s good at manipulating people in the sense that she just rolls right over them and imposes her gaslit distortion of reality on them. She’s shown no signs of being subtle at all. Roz may not actually be the best judge of Robin, precisely because she grew up in the middle of that tornado.
Out of everyone who’s interacted with Robin, Becky’s come out of it best. When they met at Leslie’s and Leslie finally threw her out, she apologized to Becky for using her to try to appeal to Robin’s humanity and Becky said something like “Is that what we were doing? I was hacking her phone.”
Anyways, Sam, you have a valid read, but my reading is that the “sabotage” was, at best, a throwaway line that Becky did not immediately clarify for Roz’s benefit.
And is Becky listening to Roz? She’s mocking and dismissing everything Roz says. Neither of them are listening to each other. That’s… kind of the point here. Becky is being obtuse and Roz is bringing her baggage dealing with her sister.
See, now I’m wondering about the DeSantoses finances all over again. I got the impression from Shortpacked that they didn’t have much money and I was under the impression the same was true in this verse (mostly because Roz saying things like them being excessively numerous and her having to bankrupt herself at the holidays), at least before Robin got elected. Roz isn’t paid by Planned Parenthood, though if you take Willis’ tumblr as canon, she’s a sex columnist at the school newspaper and apparently their writers DO get paid, so. I dunno where I’m going with this.
And with that, I’m out. Mostly because I need to go to bed early and wake up early, and partly because jesus god, this conversation is turning the comment section into a clusterfuck.
Roz can’t have been the sex columnist for the paper for long, though; Daisy mentioned hiring her as a result of her video with Joe.
It’s also possible for rich families to not give their kids big allowances, in a “that’ll teach them the value of a penny” sort of way, and still make sure they get into good colleges. Then again, according to Dorothy, at least, this isn’t that great a college, so how great is being a legacy there anyway?
Well, if being in financial straights is defined by not getting all of your children into Havard, most of the world is. If you have a number of children, you don’t need to be in financial straights to decide to give all of the an in-state education. Or you have to play favorites and I don’t really expect the DeSantos to do that.
“Or you have to play favorites and I don’t really expect the DeSantos to do that.” Didn’t they kick out Robin in both this verse and dumbiverse? That seems exactly like a family that would play favorites.
It’s “straits”, not “straights”. A strait is a narrow waterway where you have few or no options for maneuvering. The word is often used as a metaphor for being in any situation where you can’t afford flexibility, e.g. because your income is just enough to cover the essentials of life.
Maybe it’s the fact Robin at least had someone to sign loans and Becky didn’t? Legacy being just as true of an “insult” as Becky being a fundie shut in? Pointing out a small privilege and also hinting at a motivation for Becky? No clue. Not really liking Becky’s turn around, even if it’s on brand and a little deserved. This could have been her chance to bond over mutual fears or at least see she’s not alon. Becky needs her happy mask though.
Eh, Roz doesn’t really seem like the type to bond from what I’ve seen. I mean, have we seen her act non-confrontationally towards ANYONE thus far?
Heck, given what happened between her and Joe (uploading a sex tape without the other person’s consent is a shitty thing to do, and IIRC, Joe had no idea she was going to upload it even though he knew he was being filmed), it’s even possible that she’s the type of person who just uses others as convenient for them, though I don’t know that there’s enough corroborating evidence elsewhere in the story to really say for certain.
She wasn’t confrontational to Jacob or Sarah. She challenged Dorothy but wasn’t outright antagonistic from what I remember… and one of her challenges was going to gain her a room away from Mary. She was pretty chill when the Dean said no sex tapes due to private property vs body shaming.
We need a tier list of how DoA characters would do in a bareknuckle fighting tournament. Roz is definitely top-tier, for as scrappy as Becky is Roz just kills mofo’s
See this is where the internet confuses me. You explicitly state bareknuckle fighting yet cite an argument as evidence that a character is tough. That is a lot like saying the guy who screams they have a massive penis must actually be packing, because why would he lie. The only people who have been shown to thrown down in this comic are Amber, Sal, Ruthless, and the other derby girls.
I think AnvilPro is inferring based on personality, but, yeah, obviously a lot of characters have actually been in fights and would probably do better in a tournament. My money would be on Carla, in a tournament AU of some kind, because of roller derby and her creative problem solving in the past.
I don’t think that’s the implication here. Becky’s tuition’s gonna get paid by Robin, and according to other people, IU isn’t a hard place to get into.
It’s more that Becky’s implying that Roz got into IU because her sister Robin went there and is a successful Congresswoman, and their family has wealth and influence in general.
We all loved “Sal vs. Amber while their fans slapfight each other for ten days in the comments sections”, right?
Well, now, get ready for the sequel— “Same as before, except one of them is the second least loved character in the comic after fuckin’ Nash, and the other is the fifth most beloved, so it’s basically just gonna be two extremely embattled Roz fans getting increasingly polarized just to compensate and by the end of this arc we’re all going to have completely lost our minds”.
I am more sympathetic to Roz than a lot of folks are, but she definitely has this coming. Becky’s pretty much Bugs Bunny, and she will hoist the shit out of your petard on ya.
Yeah, I was saying above, Roz is right in the “I’m technically right but for now I’m the heel you get to embarrass” way. For now, Roz is probably going to come off looking like a pretentious, overly-aggressive jerk.
When Becky realizes that Robin is better at politics than an explicitly uneducated white girl with more confidence than a middle-aged businessman on his phone at the airport, we’ll look back on this conversation differently.
Or we’ll keep projecting every bad trait onto Roz cause yknow she’s even more hated than Mary for some reason
Riiiiight, Robin was doing a crackerjack job of politics before Becky showed up, which is why she sought Becky out and hired her because Becky’s tweets as her where her only saving grace.
Like, granted, I’ll give you that people are hard on Roz, but her ego is not exactly any more deserved than any other cast member’s would be. She’s a college freshman who talks the talk, at length, over marginalized people when possible, and doesn’t do a whole lot of the walking the walk that we’ve seen.
This is so transparently an lgbt for Trump pastiche that I’m astounded anyone’s not seeing it. Becky is going to be used to “own the libs”, like Milo or Candace.
The LGBT for Trump analogy falls flat for me because they were still espousing regressive policy, just nothing related to all the damage that he would cause for queer people. Becky has turned Robin’s messaging completely around (until Robin puts her foot down more, I guess). It would be like Trump hiring Milo and Milo started talking about increasing taxes on the ultra-rich. If Robin starts pushing her platform back to the right then Becky can even say “This isn’t what you’re paying me for, motherfucker.”
Yeah, if Robin was still running a normal campaign and using Becky for stealth outreach to the LGBT community or even just to blunt their opposition, that would be one thing, but we know Robin fired everyone and unless she’s had a massive attack of competence offscreen hasn’t built another campaign staff back up since we last saw her.
This isn’t a token “look I have LGBTQ supporters too” like Trump did with them and with blacks, this is Trump, with weeks to go, ditching his entire white nationalist campaign message and turning his campaign over to an immigrant’s rights group.
Everything she does should be losing her more votes than she’s getting – unless she’s already lost all those votes in which case she just can’t win.
Some people hate her more, but I’d definitely say Roz is more liked than Mary. If any comparison can be made, I think it’s mostly since we only tend to see Roz when she’s being a shit to other characters, like Dorothy or Joyce or even using Joe, and we don’t really get any time to get to know Roz on a positive level.
I’d still say Roz is more liked than Raidah, and certainly more liked than Mary. Then there’s the parent characters and Ryan, who are on a whole other level of dislike, obviously.
Reactions to characters aren’t necessarily the same as reactions to people. Someone might like Mary as a villain, while not liking Roz in her more positive role.
This is becoming a recurring issue with Roz, as previously highlighted by Leslie in the wake of the shooting. She’s not afraid to criticize, but often puts her voice in front of first-person sources. Her viewpoint is an invaluable foil to characters like Becky and Joyce, but she isn’t good at listening to others.
Exactly! Roz often has valid points and puts her energy towards valid causes but doesn’t really listen to other people (a trait she shares with her big sister!).
I can sympathise with Roz, I really can.
“Remember this as you pass by, as she is now once was I” (Apart from me being a male Australian with no sibling/family dynasty rivalry). With age I’ve grown a (little bit) more mature and willing to listen. Unfortunately politics down under have slipped to the right faster than my drift to the centre, so I’m now probably considered father left than I was at 20 (which is amusing, admittedly for a narrow and twisted value of “amusing”).
And Becky has accepted a job with an employer she doesn’t respect or agree with, and if she does her job well enough to not get fired, she’ll have a chance at making a future for herself at the cost that her employer may benefit from her labour. In other words “welcome to every job you’ll ever have”. 🙂
Robin has no ideology and only goes along with what she’s been told. Roz on the other hand has an ideology that is either skin deep, or is based in reaction to her sister. Roz has demonstrated time and again, that she doesn’t give a rats ass about the people she hurts as long her sister isn’t elected. If she really believed in her so called ideology she’d be happy that her sister is going in a different direction if a bit worried that it won’t last. Instead she’s furious that her sister might win.
Robin campaigned on and voted for legislation that has and will result in LGBT and other minority deaths. Roz is a racial minority, and on top of that she is a woman concerned about reproductive rights in a red state. She has every right and reason to fear Robin being reelected.
Where she crossed a line is attacking Becky and throwing all the blame on her shoulders. Becky could and should have been more forthright in her explanations as to what she is doing, but at the same time Roz immediately put her on the defensive and deflection and sarcasm ARE Becky’s primary defense mechanisms.
Neither character is perfect, but Roz’s sin here is that she was uncharitable and aggressive, not that her ideologies are a facade. She believes them and believes them very deeply.
No she doesn’t. Roz defines herself in opposition to her sister. If you’ve been reading, she’s never done anything constructive to help people, only to hurt her sister. I have the feeling that if Robin had become a far left liberal, Roz would end up joining the Westboro Baptist Church. She pays lip-service to caring about causes, but doesn’t care who she hurts to get there. Her actions in this strip make it fairly clear that her beliefs are a facade, and that facade is begging to crack. I’m not saying that she’s putting on an act, she thinks that she believes in her agenda, but her actions show that she’s really just a bully who uses her ideology as an excuse. I can’t remember a strip where she stood up for someone who was downtrodden, she always seems to be attacking people who don’t share her views. I could be wrong on this, so feel free to post a links to prove me wrong. While I never had the misfortune to know anyone as bad as Roz in college, I did go to an extremely liberal school in Indiana, and I learned that hypocrisy happens on all sides. I would love to see a story where Roz is forced to face her own hypocrisy, and learns from the experience and becomes a better person, but she’s had a few chances and walked away from them each time.
Roz is a fairly minor character so we generally only see her when she comes into conflict with a protagonist.
I think she has been shaped by having Robin as a sister and who can blame her, given Robin’s gaslighting and lack of boundaries, which have to be devastating for a kid to deal with. Still, we do know she does things like volunteer for Planned Parenthood, which while it might be partly to spite Robin is also actual constructive help for people.
She’s still sorting herself out like all of them, but she’s not that bad.
In a cursory search, I couldn’t find an explicit reference to Roz being a legacy. But it wouldn’t be surprising if half the dorm aren’t “legacy” admissions.
IU-Bloomington does consider “alumni/ae relation” for admission, but it’s a public school and it’s huge, and I’d guesstimate that maybe a quarter of the college-age kids in Indiana have parents who went there.
But that doesn’t mean that Becky calling Roz a legacy isn’t going to be recognized as a burn by both parties.
Am I missing something or isn’t Joyce also a “legacy admission”? I’m thinking if Beckys going to throw grenades around she should make sure friendly targets are out of range first (or something like that, I’m too tired to make a better metaphor).
Joyce probably is but I don’t think Roz knows, and I cannot help but to think she has the grades to support her being there, not as super duper high as Dorothy but she is probably doing extremely well in Math an good enough in others.
Legacy in technicality is not how legacy is used in vernacular. As someone else pointed out Indiana university has a fairly high acceptance rate for being just instate. Even if you got one or two extra points for blood, as long as you did okay, you’re getting in. Legacy is more often used in regards to legacy tuition programs, scholarships or exclusive schools where those blood points are a large percentage or infact the whole kitten kaboodle.
Welp, Dorothy, this will be the greatest challenge to your peace-making and coalition-building yet.
In one corner, the rich-but-sensitive about it leftist with a ton of learned pain from trying and failing to save her sister. In the other, the formerly-homeless lesbian who has gained her confidence back and seems unwilling to be intimidated and cowed by someone ever again.
Both have pain and pride and a willingness to go for the jugular. Go forth Dorothy and show the hardest skill of being a left-leaning politician, that of herding the infinite cats that is the left.
Is she Rich? As far as I remember seeing, the only person in her family with real money is the sister who got kicked out and then somehow joined congress. Unless Robin threw money at them when she wanted to use them as props (which I wouldn’t doubt) I’m not sure how we know she’s rich?
her sister is a congresswoman who’s shown to have some scruples, but not a ton. She ain’t poor. And we’ve already seen something that should have had her get kicked out of school go down, and she got a warning. Even if there hasn’t been that much money, the school very, very much wants to keep on Mrs. Desanto’s good side at the moment. Power and influence are sometimes more valuable then money, and make acquiring it very easy.
Her sister was kicked out, so her sisters money status doesn’t really mean anything for how much money she was raised with, and considering joe was also not expelled I think it just…wasn’t an expellable offense after one strike. If he school cares so much about her good graces it seems odd the dean would tell her to her face he didn’t vote for her (and had apparently done this more than once$
This is my head cannon now. Their behavior is so much more at home on the mats. For costuming do you think they’d go wrestler or more superhero knock off? Scarlet witch vs magneto?
It seems to me that a lot of people lately have been claiming that as soon as Robin gets elected she will a) drop Becky and b) screw over the LGBTQ+ community (again.) However, I feel that isn’t a given, in fact far from it. Okay, yes she voted for anti-LGBTQ+ legislation but my take on it is that she was simply voting along party lines, which is exactly what I would expect her to do. She’s not going to rock the boat that’s delivered the golden egg, which makes her complicit, sure, but I don’t feel it reflects her personal opinions. She actually likes Leslie, and she had no qualmes about appointing an openly gay woman to be her campaign manager.
So, Robin is out for Robin. And what Robin wants more than anything is to be re-elected, which is why she wants Becky to continue tweeting her ideas, because these are clearly popular with the constituency. At the same time, I doubt she actually knows a lot about what these ideas entail, but her campaign manager does. IF Robin ditches Becky as soon as she’s elected, and IF she goes back to the old party line, surely Robin is bright enough to see that in four years time she will be dropped for good.
In short, Robin has ever reason to follow these new policies and few, if any, to ditch them. Or at least that’s my take on it.
Exactly what I’m thinking. I personally think Robin just likes the prestige of being a Congresswoman; willing to tow the status quo if it lets her have the life she gets to live. Except times are starting to change, and Robin may have her quirks but she’s not an idiot. She really is only out to get re-elected, not to affect change but so that she can show off.
Yeah, I think this is a fact that people are glossing over. They’re reading this purely in terms of a commentary on current events, but like… Robin has her own metatextual history in the various Walkyverses. She’s a right-wing politician because it’s funny and lends itself to story potential, not because Willis needed a stand-in for Trumpism.
Do remember that the reason Robin hired Becky in the first place isn’t because she’s a social media wunderkind. It’s because she burned her staffers the moment they suggested sweeping the “Ryan” issue under the rug.
Yeah. Robin didn’t become a Trump avatar until Trump became a thing. Her first appearances were well before anyone thought about Trump running, including himself. After Trump became the Republican nominee in 2016, Robin suddenly acquired her “Make District Nine Great Again” slogan. (Also, looking back at her appearances, Jesus. When she came into class the second time, she was wearing the same clothes she was wearing at the rally the night before. Maybe her staff was useless, if they couldn’t get her to change in the morning.)
We should never forget that in Shortpacked, most of her political career was spent sparring with Sarah Palin. So yes, she’s always been an ignorant populist Republican avatar, but not always satirizing the current occupant of the White House.
Frankly, I think Trump is actually indeed pro-LGBT+, and is just waaay too stupid to truly understand what his administration is doing. I shudder to think what would happen with Pence in office. These Republican officials would directly start an open crusade.
Thinking he’s pro-LGBT+ assumes he’s actually thought about the issue.
I mean, he’s pro-Jewish too, in terms of not disowning his daughter for marrying one, but that doesn’t stop him from liking Nazis. (Leaving Israel out of it.)
Pretty much this. If Becky gets her elected with a pro-LGBT leftist campaign after being kicked out of the GOP, her rational move would be to join the Democrat and keep running on that platform because it worked and she doesn’t care. Plus Leslie might like her.
A Song of Ice and Fire reference, thank you. Okay, Game of Thrones, because in the books Arya is still in Essos.
Anyway, the difference is that Arya was much more justified than Becky in her murder because her mother and brother were killed by the Freys. Roz was being uncharitable though with a good point, and then Becky dumped an Olympic swimming pool’s worth of kerosene on a Tesla coil.
You can make a Tesla coil at home. However, it is recommended that you make sure that your medical insurance and/or pre-paid funeral arrangements are in order before doing so.
Also, from an engineering point of view, a Tesla coil is way overkill as an ignition device.
Donald Duck isn’t originally from Kingdom Hearts. He’s actually originally a C-list background character from an old cartoon called Duck Tales. The cast of that show is in the second game, as well.
If anyone is actually confused by this which I doubt, Donald Duck a character that predates Ducktales by a little over 50 years and Kingdom hearts by 70 years.
Anywho I think Abysswatcher meant that he was referring specifically to the version of Donald Duck in Kingdom Hearts.
We’re about 15 seconds from Ruth coming over to break things up and say that Becky doesn’t even go there, so she’s pretty sure the school won’t mind if she extracts her femurs.
I don’t see Ruth getting super mad at Becky, tbh, but that may be bias from me. But Roz is the one wanting to fight here, Becky just isn’t backing down.
Honestly I get that Becky grabbed that hustle because she’s a homeless lesbian teen but I also can’t be super mad at Roz for pointing out that Becky will be partially culpable if what she’s doing gets Robin elected. Robin’s the politician that actively made things harder for queer people in universe, belongs to the party of people who in the real world are shutting down abortion clinics, policing uteruses, stripping Latino studies out of schools, support putting undocumented immigrant’s children in camps, and a whole plethora of other issues. Robin being reelected would be awful, the decisions she make absolutely affect Roz, and she’s got every right to be pissed off at this ploy her sister’s making.
I don’t think she’s phrasing everything well, she’s said a few very annoying things, but I’m still leaning more on her side than on Becky’s in this argument, if only because Roz is being 100 percent in earnest here and Becky is being as flippant and dismissive as she can be.
And I don’t even know about ‘don’t shout down the homeless lesbian’ being said from Dorothy. Leslie pointing out that Roz as a straight ally was ignoring her as a lesbian making a decision was one thing, (although I disagree with Leslie’s actual decision in that instance). Dorothy is just as straight and Becky doesn’t need people wrapping her up in cotton to keep her safe from angry brown people yelling at her. Dorothy has a long history of trying to peacekeep fights that she should just keep out of, sometimes striking up a defense of a person who’s just objectively wrong (Walky with Carla).
This argument between Roz and Becky, in my opinion, doesn’t have either of them as right. For behavior, Roz is too quick to behave in bad faith and doesn’t consider Becky’s position, as well as being arrogant. Becky is dismissing Roz’s experience with politics and her sister in particular and being flippant and arrogant herself. It’s like the clash of the egos getting in the way of what could have been a useful conversation. (Yeah, before anyone says it, they’re teenagers. It’s a thing.) And in action, Becky helping Robin, even with her attempts to damage the campaign (apparently making leftist statements which are giving her some popularity), if it ends up putting her in office, could have disastrous consequences and harm vulnerable groups of people. Becky knows it’s a possibility because she at first tried to make Robin promise not to backslide. She chose to do this anyway. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out that, even if Becky’s circumstances made the choice much more difficult. She’s still somewhat accountable for her actions and their consequences. (I don’t, however, but all or even MOST of the blame of Robin being potentially re-elected on her. That’s all Roz speak.)
Roz definitely needs to keep herself aware of her privilege when she initiates these conversations and in this one, came on way too strong and was much too willing to engage in immediate bad faith conclusions, but she wasn’t even mostly wrong in the actual point. She said Robin was using her, which is correct, and that her election would just continue Robin’s usual bullshit, which is likely the case. It’d be nice if she could communicate without flaunting her liberal cred or immediately going on the attack, but I get why she goes on the attack because I used to do the same. I was so used to having people yell over me, dismiss me, use circular logic or strawman arguments that I became brutal in the way I argued. I learned I had to crush the person I was arguing with (my father, my family, the people who said dumb shit about gay people in class,) in order to even get my voice heard. It wasn’t until my friend told me I was steamrolling her that I stopped and examined myself, unused to discussion instead of fights.
I have nothing but empathy for both of these kids, honestly.
Yeah, like, Roz is right that Becky is doing something bad but while we don’t know Roz’s home situation she’s at least not currently at risk of being homeless, and she should understand that judging Becky for doing something bad to avoid homelessness isn’t an issue with Becky’s morals, it’s an issue with her situation. The best way to get Becky to not do this is give her a way to avoid homelessness without it.
Meanwhile Becky knows she’s helping someone who isn’t on the side of the angels and if she does somehow get Robin re-elected, Roz is just as under fire of republican policies as Becky is, and understandably wouldn’t want that, and staying and continuing arguing with her about it isn’t helping anything.
As bad as we joke that Robin is at politics, she won the Republican primary as a Latinx women in Indiana. Twice.
My point is, Roz is trying to tell Becky, “Don’t underestimate her,” and Roz isn’t actually totally wrong to be concerned that Becky’s plan might backfire. Robin clearly has at least some skill.
I’m just shouting into the void at this point. People just really want to root for Becky, and y’know, time *will* assuredly tell which of them is right here. At least that’s more than we could say for the Sal vs. Amber Wars.
Problem is that Roz won’t articulate it that way. Instead she starts shouting about what a good ally she is and how she knows what people need better than they do because she says so.
Second time is less impressive, because incumbents generally have an advantage, parties know that, and by all accounts Robin’s been a faithful toeing-the-party-line vote. So there’s a good chance she wasn’t challenged this time.
Not saying she wrong since no one even Becky expects Robin to do the right thing on her own. But at the same time I’m not on anyone’s side I just like the back and forth.
Informed Characteristic “Robin must be good at politics because she won a Congressional seat”
OTOH, everything we’ve ever seen Robin do.
I’ve got no idea how she stumbled into a Congressional seat. Maybe one of the staffers she fired was a genius and managed to control her long enough. Maybe it’s all an act and she’s actually a ruthless political genius and somehow getting herself caught with a woman, kicked out of the party and firing all her campaign staff is all some incredible Xanatos gambit.
Mostly though she’s just wacky Robin and I can’t take her seriously.
Yeah fuck this noise. I have enough headaches from real life politics, I’m not getting into this clusterfuck of a comments section over politics in a comic.
what the heck does “I’m scrappy” mean? I feel understanding that will help me understand the comic better, because right now I have no idea why any of the characters are reacting the way they are
“Hey yo, I’m just like my country
I’m young, scrappy and hungry
And I’m not throwing away my shot!
I’m ‘a get a scholarship to King’s College
I prob’ly shouldn’t brag, but dag, I amaze and astonish
The problem is I got a lot of brains but no polish
I gotta holler just to be heard
With every word, I drop knowledge!
I’m a diamond in the rough, a shiny piece of coal
Tryin’ to reach my goal.”
It refers to a willingness to fight for what she wants. Often goes hand-in-hand with the term ‘underdog’ to indicate someone who would otherwise appear to be ill-suited to a challenge but pulling through due to being tougher than they look, being tenacious, having unexpected strategies, etc.
The real key to why the characters react the way they do after that, though, are the words “legacy admission”. Becky is calling Roz out on being from a family of wealth and status privilege as a way to undermine the validity of Roz’s leftist position. Which seems to have done an extremely effective job at upsetting Roz.
Also, go Becky! Yes, Roz has good reason to discourage her from her job but putting all the blame on Becky, an until very recently homeless lesbian youth, is both wrong and just obnoxious. She deserved those quips.
The difference is that Roz made the plan, lined things up, and finally took her shot… a while ago. At which point, you kinda have to Doctor Manhattan and point out, “Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends.”
But yeah. Becky is definitely tweeting as if she’s running out of time.
Honestly, I wasn’t thinking about the current encounter with Roz, but with her accepting the offer from Robin. She saw her chance — a roof over her head, paid-for schooling — and she went for it.
Getting punched could be a huge publicity boost. “Angry detractor punches de Santo’s campaign manager to try and suppress message. Democracy and traditional American values under siege by force! Vote and donate today to slow the tide of angry feminist liberal college students!”
I’m not American so I’m not entirely sure how legacy admissions work but wouldn’t Joyce qualify as one considering both her parents studied in this college? Or is being a legacy admission an entirely different thing?
Do we know the DeSanto family is wealthy in the Dumbiverse? Were either of the parents involved in politics?
Robin’s a rep, but how many terms has she served? (You have to be at least 25 to be a representative, and terms are only two years. It’s entirely possible she’s running for her first reelection, and most everything we’ve seen of hers has come from campaign contribution so or the party.)
IU is a state university, not an Ivy League private school, and Roz is an Indiana resident. She’d get in as long as her high school transcript is competent and she can line up the credit for student loans.
@Eve: To be fair, Robin could have got in as a legacy too, and memories of her time at the university might help to explain why the Dean hates her so much. “Oh Christ no, not voting for that one, I remember what she was like at school…”
But the only family member of Roz’s that Becky knows anything about is Robin, why would she be randomly assuming that her parents went here and then she got preference for that? It just seems like an insult that was pulled out as just an insult, assuming it’s true when the source is someone who knows jack shit about Roz’s family is silly. (Not that I blame Becky for pulling out random insults, I’d probably do some evil to avoid homelessness, and get pissy at people who acted like my choice wasn’t motivated by need)
I think Legacy Admissions are one of the most terrible things about the American educational system, and I think that here it’s just a random insult Becky is throwing out.
I don’t think we know either way, and it’s also not really relevant to what’s happening in this scene.
IU-Bloomington has an acceptance rate of 76%. If you are an Indiana resident and in the top quarter of your high school class, admission is something you can pretty much take for granted.
By its own reporting, IU-Bloomington does consider legacy for admissions, and Joyce would definitely benefit from that. But legacy admissions at a public school like IU-Bloomington are not in the same category as legacy admissions at private schools like Stanford or Harvard.
“But legacy admissions at a public school like IU-Bloomington are not in the same category as legacy admissions at private schools like Stanford or Harvard.”
There’s your lede!
On the IU scale I’m trying to figure out which of our DofA main cast aren’t legacies. Walky and Sal’s mom was married to the man who is now the Dean, for example; did Carol go to IU? (Was that a continuation from the Walkyverse?)
Their are also far-left meaning liberals who can be critical of news organizations like CNN and MSNBC mostly due to their passive aggressive dismissal of beloved individuals Like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ocasio Cortez, and Ilhan Omar.
Ok is there something I’ve missed in dumbiverse that established the desantos as rich? All I really remember being established about them is that Robin was kicked out, when she got into congress she would use her sisters as family props, the littlest one loves cereal, and the dean doesn’t like Robin https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/junior/.
Where are people getting the idea that Roz is rich or privileged because a non parent family member she hates managed to get in congress?
At least for me, I think it’s because it just sounds so improbable that a woman like Robin would get an Indiana seat in the US House of Representatives, no matter what a good little cypher and seat-warmer for the GOP she was. There has to have been a sponsor of some sort to get her a safe seat and grease the grinding wheels of internal party politics.
But I remember a Patreon comic that implied Robin was kicked out in this universe, same as dumbiverse, which either means if she was from a rich family they kicked her out but then still decided to give her tons of money and resources to become a big public face for their family which…doesn’t make sense? To do for a kid you kicked out?
Or she was still living with them while in congress and they kicked her out despite her being a congressperson with money and power, which also seems bizarre?
Yes, Roz, by all means: Assault someone for daring to try to undo your mean little prank on your older sister. Because that’s the way the courts will view it, no matter what the political ins and outs of your real motivation.
Legacy admissions are when people get preference in admission to a school because their family members have gone to the school. Not sure if it actually applies to Roz? True or not it’s becky saying she didn’t earn her way into collage.
I live in the UK with actual dukes and lords and stuff and we don’t have legacy admissions any more. Prince Charles went to Oxford and his sons didn’t get in.
Actually, Prince Charles went to the same Cambridge college I did (that’s why I know, otherwise I wouldn’t, not being a Brit), and based on his grades, it is unlikely that his grades were the reason they took him.
Good that they changed that policy.
Of course there are 100% still biases in the admissions process today, but at least they’re a little less straight forward than “You’re a royal, you’re in.”
Nah, worse than that.
Because Jews and Catholics were getting into good schools.
Back in the late 19th/early 20th centuries the top schools established preference for legacy students as a way to keep the old white Protestant families dominant and keep out the smart Jewish and Catholic children of immigrants who were starting to get in on merit. Legacy policy allowed them to discriminate without being open about it.
Because of privilege but honestly I have nothing but disgust as an academic for people who think college should be “earned.” Everyone should have the right to a higher education. If someone wants to attend a college and there’s room, they should be allowed in.
I mean, the problem usually arises precisely because more people want in than there’s space for, right? But of course nobody should get in just because their parents wen to the same place/ because their parents paid a lot of money. That’s bs.
Becky… I get from you’re expressions that you were actually listening. Maybe showing a little in good faith instead of going to your usual defense mechanisms would have been the better turn here. Compassion versus mutual abrasion.
That’s what Roz is saying at least. Frankly, I think Ruth could take them both at the same time while hungover. So now, while sober, and with her meds kicking in and getting her to feel motivated again, Becky and Roz stand no chance against Ruth if she comes to break up a fight.
I’ve always found it interesting how Robin and Roz are flip sides. Robin has no ideology and is clueless about how her policies may affect other people. Roz on the other hand aspired to an ideology for ideologies sake, when it comes down to it, she doesn’t really care weather who she hurts. She reminds me of politicians who do things like champion women’s rights but then treat women in inappropriate ways. You know that old saying about opinions being like a certain body part? Well I’d really like to see someone tear Roz a new opinion.
Man all other things aside i really, really wish Becky had continued to walk away. As questionable as dorothy’s methods for defusing the situation was, defusing was definitely in order.
I’m wondering if part of Roz’s problem is that Becky somehow managed to find the single least flattering spin on Roz’s behaviour, making her seem like a irresponsible vandal.
FWIW, Becky is really good at politics – Spin is part of the art these days after all. Actually, I can see Dorothy continuing to watch Becky taking delight in tying Roz in rhetorical knots and find herself wondering if she wants to go into politics at all.
JOYCE: “Dorothy! I don’t want to be a Fundie stay-at-home mom anymore!”
DOROTHY and JOYCE fall into each other’s arms, crying.
DOROTHY: “Joyce, I don’t want to be President anymore!”
Becky knew Roz was Latina after only seeing her once – she referred to her as ‘The Mexican chick with glasses’. That’s not super common, from what I can tell, with white Latinas. That suggests, at least to me, that Roz isn’t white.
As I may have mentioned once or twice, my favorite part of this comic is Joyce and her two ladies, Dorothy and Becky.
And Roz is such a GREAT foil for all three of them.
When she and Dorothy butted heads over the (imaginary) RA campaign, she presented herself as the real deal over Dorothy’s playing-dressup wanna-be politician.
Here Becky does exactly the same thing to Roz!!!
I love how Dorothy and Roz both tries to talk Becky out of her job, from different perspectives. Dorothy trying to talk down Roz has a bit of a bonding “you too, huh” vibe.
Roz needs to realize that Becky is doing this out of need not greed and act with the the sympathy that requires.
Becky needs to realize the people who have been hurt by Robins policies and will continue to be hurt by them in the chance she wins have the right to be mad about the person trying to get her to win.
The true solution would be to find a way for Becky to not be desperate for basic needs.
Ahhhh, I don’t like Roz. Haven’t done since she piled onto Joyce way back when. Which is a shame, because I believe in pretty much everything she stands for. She just smacks of that primitive mindset of sitting up in her tree and hucking rocks at anyone who comes threatening it…not because of any special virtue of the tree itself, but just because it’s hers.
And maybe that’s not wholly a bad thing…like we need the kind of people who’ll fight to the end, and sometimes that takes the type of person who’ll keep fighting for the sake of the fight. So maybe it’s not bad, but I just find that kind of person exhausting to be around, even if I agree with them.
Everything she pretends to stand for. I think the evidence supports the idea that her liberal attitude is a reaction to her familly not anything she came up with on her own. The next strip supports this.
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Dotty: “Roz, just walk away”
Becky: “OH I HAVE NEVER WANTED TO *NOT* BACK DOWN SO HARD AS RIGHT HECKIN’ NOW”
Becky sure is brave to admit to being The Scrappy
Ha!
NICE!
Isn’t Mary the scrappy? She definitely seems like the scrappy
Naw, Mary’s the hatesink.
Yeah, big difference between being scrappy and being The Scrappy.
(I did not click that link because I need to get to bed before the sun rises)
Scrappy: A character who’s meant to be endearing but is just annoying
Mary isn’t a scrappy because we’re supposed to hate her. Becky isn’t a scrappy either, because a sizable chunk of the audience really likes her. Becky is more of a Vriska, in that she’s a divisive character some people really love and some people really hate
(And some people really hate just because she’s gay, but those people aren’t worth considering)
So Becky would be a Base Breaker?
Hahaha, I kind of want Base Breaker to be called “The Vriska” from now on.
The Scrappies for me are Mary, Amber’s dad and step mom, Joyce’s mom, Ethan’s mom, Becky’s dad, Danny’s parents, Malaya in her worst days, Sal and Walky’s mom, the bigot’s at Joyce’s old church, Rachel when she give a cynical speech and Walkyverse Danny.
Oh, and the rapist and the guy that tried to murder Marcie.
Nah, most of those aren’t Scrappies. Remember, a key part of the Scrappy is that they are meant to be liked (or at least accepted) by the audience, but they ain’t, because they’re so damned annoying. Becky actually was viewed as “the Scrappy” by a lot of folks at various points, though the criticisms seem to have died down a bit lately.
Malaya might be a Scrappy; Rachel and Danny both at least approach that, though they have their admirers and supporters, too. The parents you name, Ryan the rapist, the douchebag who attacked Marcie–they’re all Hate Sinks.
I think some folks have Roze as the Scrappy, though reluctantly–she has the ‘right’ views, but her manner and tactics are so abrasive that she rubs even the bleeding-heart hippies here (myself included) the wrong way.
Yeah, villains can be Scrappies, but they have to be disliked as villains – you can hate them as people, but if most don’t enjoy them as antagonists, they can hit Scrappy status. As villains generally need to be overused.
Maybe Roz and Malaya? I’m not sure how much we’re actually supposed to like them. Their role is mostly as foils to the main characters. Even if they’re ‘right’, they’re not supposed to be liked.
Becky was seen by some that way – though she always had a stalwart contingent of defenders who really liked her. Carla makes a similar split. I think they’re more just polarizing than actual Scrappies. And honestly I think the Scrappy view of both is a misreading of the characters. They both are hard characters to get across I suspect since their surface presentation (goofy Becky and asshole Carla) is mostly a facade that covers all their real emotions.
Mostly though, it’s a good thing there aren’t any real Scrappies. The whole point of a Scrappy is that it’s a failure of a character. It’s a character who doesn’t get accepted as the author intended. In extreme case one that drives the audience away.
Hand in Hand to driving the audience away is the author haveing a hissy fit and doing bad things to reader beloved characters because THEY liked this failure of a character too much and didn’t step back and look at it from the readers perspective.
Some would call that colon vision or some variant thereof.
Roz is totally a Scrappy for me.
Becky used to be but is less so lately.
I would say Rachel also falls under the category for me.
Admittedly I think Roz is intended to be grating right now.
A scrappy is a character you are supposed to like but don’t hate. If Roz’s hypocrisy was deliberate, she’d be a scrappy.
I meant to say “Wasn’t” not “Was”
Dorothy, at this point just tell them no holds, nothing below the belt, and ring the bell.
Dorothy: “AND NO BITI….”
Roz and Becky, both with their teeth firmly lodged in the other’s leg: “Wffff?”
Dorothy: “…never mind.”
*laughs* Man Becky just went right for the jugular against Roz’s pride huh? I’m proud of her.
Yup. Poor Roz REALLY didn’t see that one coming.
A lot of people having trouble with this, so quick reminder: Becky has not told Roz she plans to sabotage Robin’s campaign. She hasn’t told anyone that. Becky is pretending to campaign for real, and she’s actually doing a half-decent job of it by telling her friends, “Don’t worry, I control the message.”
Kind of like how so-called moderate Republicans told themselves Trump could be brought to heel.
I’m not speaking to Roz’s and Becky’s extremely stupid behavior here, but Roz is right to call Becky out over what seems like a very bad plan, and aggressively.
(Also Becky does not know politics and Roz does and Becky’s “I’m scrappy” is a sign of deep hubris.)
Can you please reference where Becky said she was going to sabotage it?
She didn’t. That’s the point. Becky has only stated to herself, “Haha, it’s no risk, Robin will never win.” She has never openly told anybody if that’s her plan.
She is not planning on Robin winning. We know that much. The rest is conjecture—but as long as she needs to keep pretending to actually campaign for Robin, Roz is going to be fully justified in calling her out for playing with fire.
Nobody who was anybody thought Trump was going to win either.
This exactly. I do think it’s worth remembering that Robin is explicitly a bit of a Trump allegory/parody. Hell, didn’t Clinton’s campaign literally try to promote Trump early on, figuring he’d be an easy opponent to beat/that he’d “never actually win so who cares”?
I’m not saying Robin’s a mirror, but Willis could easily be going for a moral about the danger in taking Robin’s loss for granted and trying to profit from it.
Well 538 thought there was a very real possibility of it happening.
We just told ourselves they were wrong, and listened to Andrew Yang because he reassured us.
At least that’s what I did.
“…and I don’t want to succeed…”
aw dangit, one missing = broke the HTML. Here’s the raw link: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-9-comic/04-vote-for-robin/plunge/
Lol, actually the general consensus is that panel 2 was Trump’s attitude. Remember he viewed his run for president as primarily a marketing stunt.
What consensus? That’s a fringe theory. He’s run before.
Oh and I said this earlier, but I’m getting really tired of Roz’s big role being “the privileged loudmouth leftist ally who talks over minorities”. We all know that that particular trope is very rarely performed by a woman of color in Indiana.
You might wanna check the last panel of http://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-9-comic/04-vote-for-robin/wrangled/ again.
And you might wanna check the comic immediately after, where she clarifies that the “sabotage” is her controlling Robin’s message. 😛
So when you say “Becky has not told Roz she plans to sabotage Robin’s campaign” what you mean is “Becky has in fact told Roz she is actively sabotaging Robin’s campaign, but because I personally feel there is some chance Becky’s form of sabotage could backfire, that does not count as sabotage at all and therefore it is absolutely fair game for Roz to view Becky as a sellout fundie Republican shill and act accordingly despite direct plain words to the contrary”? Have I read you correctly?
You’re being a jerk.
Roz has been pretty clear that her concerns aren’t just with Becky’s background, but her lack of political experience, which could potentially lead to helping Robin more than she hurts. Roz is telling Becky, “Even if you mean well, Robin is better at this than you.”
Which Robin is.
Anyways, you aren’t actually engaging with what I’m saying, so I’ll leave you be. The “This is you hurr durr” line of argument isn’t really my scene. If you actually care to understand me, read my post more carefully, or read what I said to Sam below.
The first sentence of your opening post is a falsehood, on which you built the rest of your argument. You responded to correction with flippancy. I am merely attempting to emphasize the absurdity of your position based on a falsehood.
In an admittedly jerkish way, but hey, you didn’t say the specific words “Simon Says I’m sabotaging Robin’s campaign red rover red rover no takebacks”, so that’s allowed, right?
Wait. Your argument is that Becky is trying to sabotage Robin’s already losing campaign but because she’s new to politics she could accidentally do something brilliant and save it?
And we’re expected to take this as a serious threat? Or take Roz seriously for believing it?
I mean, it could work out, but if it does it’ll be because of “wacky Robin hijinks” not anything that makes sense.
In any kind of political reality, campaigning for a couple weeks as a radical leftist after a term (and months of campaigning) as a reactionary Republican doesn’t win elections, it just sinks you further. This isn’t even Trump’s laughable attempts at outreach to Hispanics, this is Trump handing his entire campaign over to an Immigrant rights group in the middle of October 2016.
Diagram for me how slamming a Republican’s platform to the left in as backwards a state as Indiana isn’t sabotage.
I’m not a fan of how Becky is acting here. Smug and shitty is never a good look. Period, end of sentence, don’t “Well, what about…?” me on this. But if Roz is the badass political operative/saboteur she clearly thinks of herself as, she should be able to see what Becky is doing without having it spelled out.
Robin is capable of great damage, yes. She is also insanely impulsive and easily manipulated. This could blow up in Becky’s face, but until now she had the high ground.
I think Becky’s “I control the messaging” is obfuscating it for Roz, and bear in mind, she’s running against a *Democrat* in Indiana. There’s really no telling who’s going to win in this race—a sort of ex-Republican who’s reaching to her opponent’s left and getting tons of media buzz, or a guy with “D” next to his name.
The only thing we know for sure is that Robin’s campaign was basically dead in the water. Now it’s a stick of dynamite in the water: Sure, Becky might destroy it even more, but Roz is upset that Becky’s taking the chance at all.
Roz is explicitly saying, “I know you think you’re good at this, but Robin is way better at politics than you think. She will use you. Clueless as she seems, Robin is better at politics than you.” That’s why Becky’s cockiness is a concern to Roz and I.
Roz is totally being a jerk, though. I said that in my OP.
I do wanna be clear here: Roz has basically two interpretations of what Becky is doing.
1. Becky is being sincere when she says “I control Robin’s messaging.” Becky actually believes she can make Robin a good congresswoman. Roz, who has dealt with her sister’s toxic control for years, thinks Becky is being cocky as fuck.
2. Becky is trying to “sabotage Robin’s campaign” even more than it already has been. This is a dumb idea. Robin was already in bad straits—there’s a reason she wants to bring Becky on. “Your tweets are the only thing people like about me.” There are dumber ways to give a campaign some adrenaline.
Oh, and the actual reason (which Roz doesn’t know) is that Becky is just praying that Robin’s loss is guaranteed so Becky can get herself things she needs. Becky doesn’t actually have any direct interest in sabotage—that’s not her motivation, it’s her excuse for doing this. No judgment, I’m just saying, it feels like people are really skewing around the facts of this here.
Becky must have some motivation, because she’s been sabotaging Robin all along. She’s been using Robin’s hacked Twitter to spread a leftist message ever since Robin left Leslie’s.
Now she’s just getting paid for it. Getting paid hasn’t really changed what she’s doing.
Actually, she DID tell Roz. To her face. That she didn’t plan to unsabotage anything and was if anything, doing perpendicular sabotage. Roz refused to believe her based on her upbringing.
I just responded to this, but to expand—if Becky was openly saying, “I don’t plan for Robin to win,” why would she be making such a big deal about how she controls Robin’s messaging?
The answer is that she didn’t actually tell Roz she was trying to sabotage Robin’s campaign… at least, not fully. If you check out the comics in question, you’ll notice that immediately after, she clarifies her statement. Becky is using “sabotage” to mean “derail Robin’s issues and make her presentable”.
Because she’s trying to pretend she’s earnestly campaigning, remember? That’s also why she’s giving everyone in the dorm tweets supporting their pet issues.
The danger is that if she actually convinces everyone that she controls Robin’s messaging, she might accidentally succeed.
Succeed in getting people to vote for Robin, that is.
I think this scene is setting up Roz as the heel—too aggressive, too quick to leap to blows, too sensitive about her economic privilege—as a part of the “Pride comes before a fall” parable for Becky. Becky might successfully embarrass Roz here (and yeah, nothing there about the white girl who doesn’t know politics condescending to the brown girl who’s explicitly an expert on politics). The fall comes later.
Becky is not qualified to run a stealth sabotage race. Roz is right to warn her. Becky is playing with fire.
Roz is explicitly an expert according to herself.
Yeah, growing up with a politician for a sister and looking up politics on Google gives her just the minimum leg up on Becky, who’s never had either of those things in her life really.
… guys, who do you think Roz is?
Roz has spoken to Dorothy about how politics is an environment she was raised in. Roz is a staunch activist who willingly exposes herself to horrible online harassment for her beliefs (y’know, that thing that happens when women of color are both leftist and sexually open). She volunteers for Planned Parenthood in Indiana. A couple states over, she’d be at risk of getting carbombed for that.
Roz has a lot of flaws, but y’all seem to think she’s, like, an armchair activist all of a sudden. Roz puts in the time. She walks the walk.
Roz has not nearly put as much time as you think. I just did a cursory glance at the archive, and the conclusion I’ve reached is: She’s just a kid, man. She doles out unearned knowledge and is obtuse at times; the only real thing she’s done is put her body out on the internet as a protest. She’s just a kid and is as inexperienced as Becky is.
The idea that Roz is an experienced protester and advocate is a narrative that Roz herself has put out there. Whether or not she walks the walk really remains to be seen.
ninja_jesus, Roz really does do feminist activism like volunteering for Planned Parenthood in Indiana. Whatever else you may think of her, that is definitely walking the walk. We just don’t see her do it very often because none of the storylines have followed her there.
@RacingTurtle: Okay, I’ll admit that the Planned Parenthood volunteering is one thing she’s done as an activist. That and the sex tape protest are the only things she’s shown to have done, but a lot of her interactions with people are of her talking down to others and pushing her viewpoints over those with more experience. Until the story shows more of her efforts as an activist, I’m still of the opinion that she’s just a kid, with little experience and with more privilege than others; “legacy admission” seems to have hit a bullseye.
I do not see that as clarification, I see that as an entirely different statement. I see her stating she is sabotaging her and that she is in control of her message as two different aspects. At first I’m pretty sure Becky was trying to calm Roz down by going ‘I don’t plan to undo your work’ and ‘look, I can control her messaging alright, if you want something, just ask’ to try to prove to Roz that she’s willing to meet her halfway.
And now she’s just like ‘fuck it, you’re not listening to me at all so who gives a damn what you think, fuck off’. Also, I highly doubt Becky *can* succeed. She is literally the only person on staff with no experience and no true desire to help her win. Even if she could convince one floor, that’s like, how many people really? 30? Probably not enough to catch up with Robin’s opponent.
I believe Becky is also the only person on staff at all, if I remember correctly. Everyone else left.
I think Robin still has Aide.
Admittedly, Aide is a lamp.
We’re kinda assuming that Robin is being totally honest about her plans for Becky. Roz is saying here that Robin is way better at manipulating people than we think. Roz would know.
Becky’s probably not just a campaign manager. She’s almost definitely a tool Robin plans to use. Robin’s not a criminal mastermind, but Roz is saying, “Hey, I grew up with this woman, and she’s better at this than you assume.”
Roz’s alarm isn’t unwarranted. It seems to be built on her own experiences with Robin.
Maybe it’s just that I have a lot of trouble reading Robin that way. Robin’s good at manipulating people in the sense that she just rolls right over them and imposes her gaslit distortion of reality on them. She’s shown no signs of being subtle at all. Roz may not actually be the best judge of Robin, precisely because she grew up in the middle of that tornado.
Out of everyone who’s interacted with Robin, Becky’s come out of it best. When they met at Leslie’s and Leslie finally threw her out, she apologized to Becky for using her to try to appeal to Robin’s humanity and Becky said something like “Is that what we were doing? I was hacking her phone.”
Anyways, Sam, you have a valid read, but my reading is that the “sabotage” was, at best, a throwaway line that Becky did not immediately clarify for Roz’s benefit.
And is Becky listening to Roz? She’s mocking and dismissing everything Roz says. Neither of them are listening to each other. That’s… kind of the point here. Becky is being obtuse and Roz is bringing her baggage dealing with her sister.
I wish to build a shrine to that burn.
I know. “Sick” hardly begins to cover it. That was like the black death of burns.
See, now I’m wondering about the DeSantoses finances all over again. I got the impression from Shortpacked that they didn’t have much money and I was under the impression the same was true in this verse (mostly because Roz saying things like them being excessively numerous and her having to bankrupt herself at the holidays), at least before Robin got elected. Roz isn’t paid by Planned Parenthood, though if you take Willis’ tumblr as canon, she’s a sex columnist at the school newspaper and apparently their writers DO get paid, so. I dunno where I’m going with this.
And with that, I’m out. Mostly because I need to go to bed early and wake up early, and partly because jesus god, this conversation is turning the comment section into a clusterfuck.
These are different universe. In Shortpacked they may have experienced financial hardships while they were wealthy over here
That’s why I said assumed, past tense.
But is there any evidence of them being wealthy in this universe?
Roz can’t have been the sex columnist for the paper for long, though; Daisy mentioned hiring her as a result of her video with Joe.
It’s also possible for rich families to not give their kids big allowances, in a “that’ll teach them the value of a penny” sort of way, and still make sure they get into good colleges. Then again, according to Dorothy, at least, this isn’t that great a college, so how great is being a legacy there anyway?
Well, if being in financial straights is defined by not getting all of your children into Havard, most of the world is. If you have a number of children, you don’t need to be in financial straights to decide to give all of the an in-state education. Or you have to play favorites and I don’t really expect the DeSantos to do that.
“Or you have to play favorites and I don’t really expect the DeSantos to do that.” Didn’t they kick out Robin in both this verse and dumbiverse? That seems exactly like a family that would play favorites.
It’s “straits”, not “straights”. A strait is a narrow waterway where you have few or no options for maneuvering. The word is often used as a metaphor for being in any situation where you can’t afford flexibility, e.g. because your income is just enough to cover the essentials of life.
The sex video was early in this semester – the first week, I think.
Given that she’s a freshman she’s been working that job about as long as could reasonably be expected.
Maybe it’s the fact Robin at least had someone to sign loans and Becky didn’t? Legacy being just as true of an “insult” as Becky being a fundie shut in? Pointing out a small privilege and also hinting at a motivation for Becky? No clue. Not really liking Becky’s turn around, even if it’s on brand and a little deserved. This could have been her chance to bond over mutual fears or at least see she’s not alon. Becky needs her happy mask though.
Eh, Roz doesn’t really seem like the type to bond from what I’ve seen. I mean, have we seen her act non-confrontationally towards ANYONE thus far?
Heck, given what happened between her and Joe (uploading a sex tape without the other person’s consent is a shitty thing to do, and IIRC, Joe had no idea she was going to upload it even though he knew he was being filmed), it’s even possible that she’s the type of person who just uses others as convenient for them, though I don’t know that there’s enough corroborating evidence elsewhere in the story to really say for certain.
Joe knew. http://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/05-media-rumble/interview-2/
She wasn’t confrontational to Jacob or Sarah. She challenged Dorothy but wasn’t outright antagonistic from what I remember… and one of her challenges was going to gain her a room away from Mary. She was pretty chill when the Dean said no sex tapes due to private property vs body shaming.
“Bond” – hey mutual trauma buddies instead of adding trauma!
Becky is singlehandedly reclaiming the name “Becky”.
I love that last panel so, so much
Really seems like she touched a nerve.
We need a tier list of how DoA characters would do in a bareknuckle fighting tournament. Roz is definitely top-tier, for as scrappy as Becky is Roz just kills mofo’s
See this is where the internet confuses me. You explicitly state bareknuckle fighting yet cite an argument as evidence that a character is tough. That is a lot like saying the guy who screams they have a massive penis must actually be packing, because why would he lie. The only people who have been shown to thrown down in this comic are Amber, Sal, Ruthless, and the other derby girls.
I think AnvilPro is inferring based on personality, but, yeah, obviously a lot of characters have actually been in fights and would probably do better in a tournament. My money would be on Carla, in a tournament AU of some kind, because of roller derby and her creative problem solving in the past.
I had to look up what “legacy admission” meant. HOLY SHIT, that’s straight up murder.
Check your privilege before you, uhh, get wrecked by your privilege, I guess is Becky’s message here.
I didn’t know what “legacy admission” meant until reading this strip either.
Now if looked it up: how is Robin going to create the family relationship with Becky that is required?
I don’t think that’s the implication here. Becky’s tuition’s gonna get paid by Robin, and according to other people, IU isn’t a hard place to get into.
It’s more that Becky’s implying that Roz got into IU because her sister Robin went there and is a successful Congresswoman, and their family has wealth and influence in general.
Ah, right. I there is a comma not a full stop in Becky’s speech bubble.
I retract my comment.
Roz’ actions has brought IU into a porn scandal and she received no punishment.
That is also a possible meaning of legacy admission.
Shots fired.
*tiptoes in*
*eyes today’s strip*
*eyes the impending comment section*
*flees for dear life*
Room for another in the bunker with you?
You want the bunker? Keep it! I’m going to see how far from ground zero I can drive before morning.
We all loved “Sal vs. Amber while their fans slapfight each other for ten days in the comments sections”, right?
Well, now, get ready for the sequel— “Same as before, except one of them is the second least loved character in the comic after fuckin’ Nash, and the other is the fifth most beloved, so it’s basically just gonna be two extremely embattled Roz fans getting increasingly polarized just to compensate and by the end of this arc we’re all going to have completely lost our minds”.
geT hYPe?
Me: Reltzik is taking up life in the forest as a leaf browsing ruminant?
Voice from offscreen: DEAR life, not DEER life, you dolt!
Haha, I love Becky.
I am more sympathetic to Roz than a lot of folks are, but she definitely has this coming. Becky’s pretty much Bugs Bunny, and she will hoist the shit out of your petard on ya.
Eh the consequences for Becky’s actions are in the future. Roz deserve a little bit of fire for the moment.
Yeah, I was saying above, Roz is right in the “I’m technically right but for now I’m the heel you get to embarrass” way. For now, Roz is probably going to come off looking like a pretentious, overly-aggressive jerk.
When Becky realizes that Robin is better at politics than an explicitly uneducated white girl with more confidence than a middle-aged businessman on his phone at the airport, we’ll look back on this conversation differently.
Or we’ll keep projecting every bad trait onto Roz cause yknow she’s even more hated than Mary for some reason
Becky has repeatedly openly admitted that she has no idea what she’s doing. And some of what Roz is saying is stuff she’s said herself.
I’m not sure how she could be less confident.
Riiiiight, Robin was doing a crackerjack job of politics before Becky showed up, which is why she sought Becky out and hired her because Becky’s tweets as her where her only saving grace.
Like, granted, I’ll give you that people are hard on Roz, but her ego is not exactly any more deserved than any other cast member’s would be. She’s a college freshman who talks the talk, at length, over marginalized people when possible, and doesn’t do a whole lot of the walking the walk that we’ve seen.
Robin *said* that’s why she picked Becky.
This is so transparently an lgbt for Trump pastiche that I’m astounded anyone’s not seeing it. Becky is going to be used to “own the libs”, like Milo or Candace.
Robin “can’t win”? Neither could Trump.
The LGBT for Trump analogy falls flat for me because they were still espousing regressive policy, just nothing related to all the damage that he would cause for queer people. Becky has turned Robin’s messaging completely around (until Robin puts her foot down more, I guess). It would be like Trump hiring Milo and Milo started talking about increasing taxes on the ultra-rich. If Robin starts pushing her platform back to the right then Becky can even say “This isn’t what you’re paying me for, motherfucker.”
Yeah, if Robin was still running a normal campaign and using Becky for stealth outreach to the LGBT community or even just to blunt their opposition, that would be one thing, but we know Robin fired everyone and unless she’s had a massive attack of competence offscreen hasn’t built another campaign staff back up since we last saw her.
This isn’t a token “look I have LGBTQ supporters too” like Trump did with them and with blacks, this is Trump, with weeks to go, ditching his entire white nationalist campaign message and turning his campaign over to an immigrant’s rights group.
Everything she does should be losing her more votes than she’s getting – unless she’s already lost all those votes in which case she just can’t win.
More hated than Mary? That’s a huge stretch. Roz has her bad moments but she’s more liked than Mary for sure.
Some people hate her more, but I’d definitely say Roz is more liked than Mary. If any comparison can be made, I think it’s mostly since we only tend to see Roz when she’s being a shit to other characters, like Dorothy or Joyce or even using Joe, and we don’t really get any time to get to know Roz on a positive level.
I’d still say Roz is more liked than Raidah, and certainly more liked than Mary. Then there’s the parent characters and Ryan, who are on a whole other level of dislike, obviously.
I think we need to get a tier chart going.
There’s a poll fam.
I should say, “Least loved”.
Totally forgot about the poll. I stand corrected.
I still can’t get over 86 votes for Faz and 82 votes for Mary as “Favorite DoA Character.”
Maybe next year’s poll will include a spot for Raidah so we’ll be able to see where she fits in all this.
Hyperbole is a necessary component of every opinion on the internet!
“…[Roz is] even more hated than Mary for some reason.
I really shouldn’t be boggled that this is even a possibility.
Reactions to characters aren’t necessarily the same as reactions to people. Someone might like Mary as a villain, while not liking Roz in her more positive role.
This is becoming a recurring issue with Roz, as previously highlighted by Leslie in the wake of the shooting. She’s not afraid to criticize, but often puts her voice in front of first-person sources. Her viewpoint is an invaluable foil to characters like Becky and Joyce, but she isn’t good at listening to others.
Exactly! Roz often has valid points and puts her energy towards valid causes but doesn’t really listen to other people (a trait she shares with her big sister!).
I can sympathise with Roz, I really can.
“Remember this as you pass by, as she is now once was I” (Apart from me being a male Australian with no sibling/family dynasty rivalry). With age I’ve grown a (little bit) more mature and willing to listen. Unfortunately politics down under have slipped to the right faster than my drift to the centre, so I’m now probably considered father left than I was at 20 (which is amusing, admittedly for a narrow and twisted value of “amusing”).
And Becky has accepted a job with an employer she doesn’t respect or agree with, and if she does her job well enough to not get fired, she’ll have a chance at making a future for herself at the cost that her employer may benefit from her labour. In other words “welcome to every job you’ll ever have”. 🙂
Robin has no ideology and only goes along with what she’s been told. Roz on the other hand has an ideology that is either skin deep, or is based in reaction to her sister. Roz has demonstrated time and again, that she doesn’t give a rats ass about the people she hurts as long her sister isn’t elected. If she really believed in her so called ideology she’d be happy that her sister is going in a different direction if a bit worried that it won’t last. Instead she’s furious that her sister might win.
Robin campaigned on and voted for legislation that has and will result in LGBT and other minority deaths. Roz is a racial minority, and on top of that she is a woman concerned about reproductive rights in a red state. She has every right and reason to fear Robin being reelected.
Where she crossed a line is attacking Becky and throwing all the blame on her shoulders. Becky could and should have been more forthright in her explanations as to what she is doing, but at the same time Roz immediately put her on the defensive and deflection and sarcasm ARE Becky’s primary defense mechanisms.
Neither character is perfect, but Roz’s sin here is that she was uncharitable and aggressive, not that her ideologies are a facade. She believes them and believes them very deeply.
No she doesn’t. Roz defines herself in opposition to her sister. If you’ve been reading, she’s never done anything constructive to help people, only to hurt her sister. I have the feeling that if Robin had become a far left liberal, Roz would end up joining the Westboro Baptist Church. She pays lip-service to caring about causes, but doesn’t care who she hurts to get there. Her actions in this strip make it fairly clear that her beliefs are a facade, and that facade is begging to crack. I’m not saying that she’s putting on an act, she thinks that she believes in her agenda, but her actions show that she’s really just a bully who uses her ideology as an excuse. I can’t remember a strip where she stood up for someone who was downtrodden, she always seems to be attacking people who don’t share her views. I could be wrong on this, so feel free to post a links to prove me wrong. While I never had the misfortune to know anyone as bad as Roz in college, I did go to an extremely liberal school in Indiana, and I learned that hypocrisy happens on all sides. I would love to see a story where Roz is forced to face her own hypocrisy, and learns from the experience and becomes a better person, but she’s had a few chances and walked away from them each time.
Roz is a fairly minor character so we generally only see her when she comes into conflict with a protagonist.
I think she has been shaped by having Robin as a sister and who can blame her, given Robin’s gaslighting and lack of boundaries, which have to be devastating for a kid to deal with. Still, we do know she does things like volunteer for Planned Parenthood, which while it might be partly to spite Robin is also actual constructive help for people.
She’s still sorting herself out like all of them, but she’s not that bad.
For just a moment I thought the hover text was the artist patting himself on the back. For the shading.
Hey, it’s pretty true either way really.
If I believed in Garry Marshall timing I’d expect Ruth to show up in the next strip. (No I don’t have the money to pay for Patreon membership, alas.)
But shouting over lesbians is Roz’s thing!
Treating the people you claim to be standing up for like Crap if they don’t follow your views is Roz’s thing.
Shouting about BEING a lesbian is Becky’s thing.
Is Roz a legacy admission?
Based on that face in Panel 2, I’d say that’s probably pretty likely. Or at least she could have been.
Ouch, yeah. That barb hit JUST right.
In a cursory search, I couldn’t find an explicit reference to Roz being a legacy. But it wouldn’t be surprising if half the dorm aren’t “legacy” admissions.
IU-Bloomington does consider “alumni/ae relation” for admission, but it’s a public school and it’s huge, and I’d guesstimate that maybe a quarter of the college-age kids in Indiana have parents who went there.
But that doesn’t mean that Becky calling Roz a legacy isn’t going to be recognized as a burn by both parties.
Am I missing something or isn’t Joyce also a “legacy admission”? I’m thinking if Beckys going to throw grenades around she should make sure friendly targets are out of range first (or something like that, I’m too tired to make a better metaphor).
Joyce is but I don’t think she’d consider that something to be ashamed of necessarily?
Joyce probably is but I don’t think Roz knows, and I cannot help but to think she has the grades to support her being there, not as super duper high as Dorothy but she is probably doing extremely well in Math an good enough in others.
I was re-informed downstairs that Hank and Carol met at IU.
Robin is a congresswoman from Indiana, so Roz’s application process was probably a formality at best
I kinda doubt that since the dean very specifically doesn’t like Robin https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/junior/
That doesn’t mean the dean wouldn’t cave in to congressional influence.
It’s her counter point to fundie shut in. Just as true and just a much a dig st presumption. That said – Becky, no!
Not as far as we know, we don’t really know where her family went to collage.
Legacy in technicality is not how legacy is used in vernacular. As someone else pointed out Indiana university has a fairly high acceptance rate for being just instate. Even if you got one or two extra points for blood, as long as you did okay, you’re getting in. Legacy is more often used in regards to legacy tuition programs, scholarships or exclusive schools where those blood points are a large percentage or infact the whole kitten kaboodle.
I’d stop typing on phones forever but I’m pretty sure Becky would break the fourth wall and glare at me.
Aww. Had to at least try, eh Dorothy?
Welp, Dorothy, this will be the greatest challenge to your peace-making and coalition-building yet.
In one corner, the rich-but-sensitive about it leftist with a ton of learned pain from trying and failing to save her sister. In the other, the formerly-homeless lesbian who has gained her confidence back and seems unwilling to be intimidated and cowed by someone ever again.
Both have pain and pride and a willingness to go for the jugular. Go forth Dorothy and show the hardest skill of being a left-leaning politician, that of herding the infinite cats that is the left.
The more it looks like a challenge, the harder she’s gonna try! That’s our Dorothy!
Is she Rich? As far as I remember seeing, the only person in her family with real money is the sister who got kicked out and then somehow joined congress. Unless Robin threw money at them when she wanted to use them as props (which I wouldn’t doubt) I’m not sure how we know she’s rich?
her sister is a congresswoman who’s shown to have some scruples, but not a ton. She ain’t poor. And we’ve already seen something that should have had her get kicked out of school go down, and she got a warning. Even if there hasn’t been that much money, the school very, very much wants to keep on Mrs. Desanto’s good side at the moment. Power and influence are sometimes more valuable then money, and make acquiring it very easy.
Her sister was kicked out, so her sisters money status doesn’t really mean anything for how much money she was raised with, and considering joe was also not expelled I think it just…wasn’t an expellable offense after one strike. If he school cares so much about her good graces it seems odd the dean would tell her to her face he didn’t vote for her (and had apparently done this more than once$
This is my head cannon now. Their behavior is so much more at home on the mats. For costuming do you think they’d go wrestler or more superhero knock off? Scarlet witch vs magneto?
Your “head cannon”?
Really your “head cannon”?
Head cannons are my head canon
Really. His head cannon.
Hey, if you can be a stool, they can be a cannon if they want.
Cannon. Shots were fired. My early morning joke didn’t work. I wore navy with black and people found out.
I love Dorothy, but there are times when you are allowed to cut your losses.
It seems to me that a lot of people lately have been claiming that as soon as Robin gets elected she will a) drop Becky and b) screw over the LGBTQ+ community (again.) However, I feel that isn’t a given, in fact far from it. Okay, yes she voted for anti-LGBTQ+ legislation but my take on it is that she was simply voting along party lines, which is exactly what I would expect her to do. She’s not going to rock the boat that’s delivered the golden egg, which makes her complicit, sure, but I don’t feel it reflects her personal opinions. She actually likes Leslie, and she had no qualmes about appointing an openly gay woman to be her campaign manager.
So, Robin is out for Robin. And what Robin wants more than anything is to be re-elected, which is why she wants Becky to continue tweeting her ideas, because these are clearly popular with the constituency. At the same time, I doubt she actually knows a lot about what these ideas entail, but her campaign manager does. IF Robin ditches Becky as soon as she’s elected, and IF she goes back to the old party line, surely Robin is bright enough to see that in four years time she will be dropped for good.
In short, Robin has ever reason to follow these new policies and few, if any, to ditch them. Or at least that’s my take on it.
Exactly what I’m thinking. I personally think Robin just likes the prestige of being a Congresswoman; willing to tow the status quo if it lets her have the life she gets to live. Except times are starting to change, and Robin may have her quirks but she’s not an idiot. She really is only out to get re-elected, not to affect change but so that she can show off.
Yeah, Trump is totally not idealogically adamant about fucking over lgbt, what’s the harm in electing him? /S
Robin’s not Trump.
Yeah, I think this is a fact that people are glossing over. They’re reading this purely in terms of a commentary on current events, but like… Robin has her own metatextual history in the various Walkyverses. She’s a right-wing politician because it’s funny and lends itself to story potential, not because Willis needed a stand-in for Trumpism.
Do remember that the reason Robin hired Becky in the first place isn’t because she’s a social media wunderkind. It’s because she burned her staffers the moment they suggested sweeping the “Ryan” issue under the rug.
Yeah. Robin didn’t become a Trump avatar until Trump became a thing. Her first appearances were well before anyone thought about Trump running, including himself. After Trump became the Republican nominee in 2016, Robin suddenly acquired her “Make District Nine Great Again” slogan. (Also, looking back at her appearances, Jesus. When she came into class the second time, she was wearing the same clothes she was wearing at the rally the night before. Maybe her staff was useless, if they couldn’t get her to change in the morning.)
We should never forget that in Shortpacked, most of her political career was spent sparring with Sarah Palin. So yes, she’s always been an ignorant populist Republican avatar, but not always satirizing the current occupant of the White House.
Frankly, I think Trump is actually indeed pro-LGBT+, and is just waaay too stupid to truly understand what his administration is doing. I shudder to think what would happen with Pence in office. These Republican officials would directly start an open crusade.
Thinking he’s pro-LGBT+ assumes he’s actually thought about the issue.
I mean, he’s pro-Jewish too, in terms of not disowning his daughter for marrying one, but that doesn’t stop him from liking Nazis. (Leaving Israel out of it.)
Pretty much this. If Becky gets her elected with a pro-LGBT leftist campaign after being kicked out of the GOP, her rational move would be to join the Democrat and keep running on that platform because it worked and she doesn’t care. Plus Leslie might like her.
OTOH, Robin isn’t exactly rational.
Hey Becky, before you start a fight in the dorms, remember that you aren’t currently enrolled yet so you’re not actually allowed to be here.
She is absolutely allowed to be there as a guest of a resident. She is not allowed to live there. Which she doesn’t.
She’s able to visit, she just can’t live there.
Um, yeah, she is. You’re allowed to visit people at their dorms.
Damn, Becky. You didn’t have to kill her.
No, but she went out with a yang.
I understood that reference.
And Arya didn’t have to kill all the Freys. But wasn’t it satisfying when she did?
I recognise the name Arya, so I’m assuming that’s a Game of Thrones reference.
A Song of Ice and Fire reference, thank you. Okay, Game of Thrones, because in the books Arya is still in Essos.
Anyway, the difference is that Arya was much more justified than Becky in her murder because her mother and brother were killed by the Freys. Roz was being uncharitable though with a good point, and then Becky dumped an Olympic swimming pool’s worth of kerosene on a Tesla coil.
I want to do exactly the thing you described just now. How expensive is kerosene and how do I get a Tesla coil?
You can make a Tesla coil at home. However, it is recommended that you make sure that your medical insurance and/or pre-paid funeral arrangements are in order before doing so.
Also, from an engineering point of view, a Tesla coil is way overkill as an ignition device.
Exactly. Becky saw lines were being crossed and said “Dang, lemme get in on that action.” I wish she hadn’t.
Becky is not exactly known for her habit of half-assing things.
Which is our occasional reminder that she and Joyce grew up together.
Becky is evolving into a sass master, which is a mix of Kingdom Hearts’ Donald Duck, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air and the less evil aspects of Mike.
This could make Becky becomes a charming politician with no ideals.
Dorothy: *With Hamilton’s singing voice* “Roz has ideals. Becky has none.”
Or she can become a comedian in Comedy Central.
Donald Duck isn’t originally from Kingdom Hearts. He’s actually originally a C-list background character from an old cartoon called Duck Tales. The cast of that show is in the second game, as well.
I’m just going to assume you’re not serious. 🙂
Many people have made that assumption. That’s why I’ve decided to emigrate to New Zealand.
If anyone is actually confused by this which I doubt, Donald Duck a character that predates Ducktales by a little over 50 years and Kingdom hearts by 70 years.
Anywho I think Abysswatcher meant that he was referring specifically to the version of Donald Duck in Kingdom Hearts.
“the less evil aspects of Mike”
There are less evil aspects of Mike?
I’m just here for that sick burn.
Roz better have some Burn Heal!
So much for the tolerant left fist
And women’s right’s fist!
We’re about 15 seconds from Ruth coming over to break things up and say that Becky doesn’t even go there, so she’s pretty sure the school won’t mind if she extracts her femurs.
I don’t see Ruth getting super mad at Becky, tbh, but that may be bias from me. But Roz is the one wanting to fight here, Becky just isn’t backing down.
That’s by far Roz’s best line.
Sums her up in a nutshell “I tolerate anyone, as long as the agree with me”
Honestly I get that Becky grabbed that hustle because she’s a homeless lesbian teen but I also can’t be super mad at Roz for pointing out that Becky will be partially culpable if what she’s doing gets Robin elected. Robin’s the politician that actively made things harder for queer people in universe, belongs to the party of people who in the real world are shutting down abortion clinics, policing uteruses, stripping Latino studies out of schools, support putting undocumented immigrant’s children in camps, and a whole plethora of other issues. Robin being reelected would be awful, the decisions she make absolutely affect Roz, and she’s got every right to be pissed off at this ploy her sister’s making.
I don’t think she’s phrasing everything well, she’s said a few very annoying things, but I’m still leaning more on her side than on Becky’s in this argument, if only because Roz is being 100 percent in earnest here and Becky is being as flippant and dismissive as she can be.
And I don’t even know about ‘don’t shout down the homeless lesbian’ being said from Dorothy. Leslie pointing out that Roz as a straight ally was ignoring her as a lesbian making a decision was one thing, (although I disagree with Leslie’s actual decision in that instance). Dorothy is just as straight and Becky doesn’t need people wrapping her up in cotton to keep her safe from angry brown people yelling at her. Dorothy has a long history of trying to peacekeep fights that she should just keep out of, sometimes striking up a defense of a person who’s just objectively wrong (Walky with Carla).
This argument between Roz and Becky, in my opinion, doesn’t have either of them as right. For behavior, Roz is too quick to behave in bad faith and doesn’t consider Becky’s position, as well as being arrogant. Becky is dismissing Roz’s experience with politics and her sister in particular and being flippant and arrogant herself. It’s like the clash of the egos getting in the way of what could have been a useful conversation. (Yeah, before anyone says it, they’re teenagers. It’s a thing.) And in action, Becky helping Robin, even with her attempts to damage the campaign (apparently making leftist statements which are giving her some popularity), if it ends up putting her in office, could have disastrous consequences and harm vulnerable groups of people. Becky knows it’s a possibility because she at first tried to make Robin promise not to backslide. She chose to do this anyway. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out that, even if Becky’s circumstances made the choice much more difficult. She’s still somewhat accountable for her actions and their consequences. (I don’t, however, but all or even MOST of the blame of Robin being potentially re-elected on her. That’s all Roz speak.)
Roz definitely needs to keep herself aware of her privilege when she initiates these conversations and in this one, came on way too strong and was much too willing to engage in immediate bad faith conclusions, but she wasn’t even mostly wrong in the actual point. She said Robin was using her, which is correct, and that her election would just continue Robin’s usual bullshit, which is likely the case. It’d be nice if she could communicate without flaunting her liberal cred or immediately going on the attack, but I get why she goes on the attack because I used to do the same. I was so used to having people yell over me, dismiss me, use circular logic or strawman arguments that I became brutal in the way I argued. I learned I had to crush the person I was arguing with (my father, my family, the people who said dumb shit about gay people in class,) in order to even get my voice heard. It wasn’t until my friend told me I was steamrolling her that I stopped and examined myself, unused to discussion instead of fights.
I have nothing but empathy for both of these kids, honestly.
Yours is the only comment I want to read tonight.
Yeah, like, Roz is right that Becky is doing something bad but while we don’t know Roz’s home situation she’s at least not currently at risk of being homeless, and she should understand that judging Becky for doing something bad to avoid homelessness isn’t an issue with Becky’s morals, it’s an issue with her situation. The best way to get Becky to not do this is give her a way to avoid homelessness without it.
Meanwhile Becky knows she’s helping someone who isn’t on the side of the angels and if she does somehow get Robin re-elected, Roz is just as under fire of republican policies as Becky is, and understandably wouldn’t want that, and staying and continuing arguing with her about it isn’t helping anything.
I like you.
This is a good post.
As bad as we joke that Robin is at politics, she won the Republican primary as a Latinx women in Indiana. Twice.
My point is, Roz is trying to tell Becky, “Don’t underestimate her,” and Roz isn’t actually totally wrong to be concerned that Becky’s plan might backfire. Robin clearly has at least some skill.
I’m just shouting into the void at this point. People just really want to root for Becky, and y’know, time *will* assuredly tell which of them is right here. At least that’s more than we could say for the Sal vs. Amber Wars.
Problem is that Roz won’t articulate it that way. Instead she starts shouting about what a good ally she is and how she knows what people need better than they do because she says so.
I feel like Becky is gonna be like a Trump-esque catalyst for Robin and we’re just in for the ride at this point, haha.
Well, she won it once. That was impressive.
Second time is less impressive, because incumbents generally have an advantage, parties know that, and by all accounts Robin’s been a faithful toeing-the-party-line vote. So there’s a good chance she wasn’t challenged this time.
Not saying she wrong since no one even Becky expects Robin to do the right thing on her own. But at the same time I’m not on anyone’s side I just like the back and forth.
Informed Characteristic “Robin must be good at politics because she won a Congressional seat”
OTOH, everything we’ve ever seen Robin do.
I’ve got no idea how she stumbled into a Congressional seat. Maybe one of the staffers she fired was a genius and managed to control her long enough. Maybe it’s all an act and she’s actually a ruthless political genius and somehow getting herself caught with a woman, kicked out of the party and firing all her campaign staff is all some incredible Xanatos gambit.
Mostly though she’s just wacky Robin and I can’t take her seriously.
She says in the gender studies class she just does whatever the guys tell her. She won because she used to be handled. Probably with Cadbury eggs.
Tbh I am glad Becky was getting tired of listening to Roz because I was too.
**Reads Comic
**Checks comments
Yeah fuck this noise. I have enough headaches from real life politics, I’m not getting into this clusterfuck of a comments section over politics in a comic.
what the heck does “I’m scrappy” mean? I feel understanding that will help me understand the comic better, because right now I have no idea why any of the characters are reacting the way they are
Becky is young Hamilton:
“Hey yo, I’m just like my country
I’m young, scrappy and hungry
And I’m not throwing away my shot!
I’m ‘a get a scholarship to King’s College
I prob’ly shouldn’t brag, but dag, I amaze and astonish
The problem is I got a lot of brains but no polish
I gotta holler just to be heard
With every word, I drop knowledge!
I’m a diamond in the rough, a shiny piece of coal
Tryin’ to reach my goal.”
Scrappy basically means tough with strong underdog connotations.
I’m scrappy, basically means I’ll get by.
It refers to a willingness to fight for what she wants. Often goes hand-in-hand with the term ‘underdog’ to indicate someone who would otherwise appear to be ill-suited to a challenge but pulling through due to being tougher than they look, being tenacious, having unexpected strategies, etc.
The real key to why the characters react the way they do after that, though, are the words “legacy admission”. Becky is calling Roz out on being from a family of wealth and status privilege as a way to undermine the validity of Roz’s leftist position. Which seems to have done an extremely effective job at upsetting Roz.
Oh Dorothy. You tried. You beautiful trying soul.
Also, go Becky! Yes, Roz has good reason to discourage her from her job but putting all the blame on Becky, an until very recently homeless lesbian youth, is both wrong and just obnoxious. She deserved those quips.
I can’t believe it took me this long to make the connection, but: Becky is not throwing away her shot.
The difference is that Roz made the plan, lined things up, and finally took her shot… a while ago. At which point, you kinda have to Doctor Manhattan and point out, “Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends.”
But yeah. Becky is definitely tweeting as if she’s running out of time.
She’s young, scrappy and hungry yes XD
Honestly, I wasn’t thinking about the current encounter with Roz, but with her accepting the offer from Robin. She saw her chance — a roof over her head, paid-for schooling — and she went for it.
I see Becky more as Burr. She is a pragmatist that can change allegiances for her own benefit and that of her loved ones.
Roz would be like Jefferson: someone who claims to be working for progress but is a rich elitist with a shady past.
So Becky. Great character, or greatest character?
I’ll go with… yes.
I mean, I love Roz too, but I can’t deny that those were some SICK burns.
Getting punched could be a huge publicity boost. “Angry detractor punches de Santo’s campaign manager to try and suppress message. Democracy and traditional American values under siege by force! Vote and donate today to slow the tide of angry feminist liberal college students!”
i’ll miss a lot of you but i’m adding an adblock filter for this goddamn comment section.
You probably won’t see this, but I highly recommend replacing the comment section with kittehs!!
Aren’t you happy you decided to butt in, Dorotohy?
I’m not American so I’m not entirely sure how legacy admissions work but wouldn’t Joyce qualify as one considering both her parents studied in this college? Or is being a legacy admission an entirely different thing?
The suggestion here is that she only got in due to her family. Which is harsh, but fair.
Due to her family, and ideally due to her family donating money to said university.
Do we know the DeSanto family is wealthy in the Dumbiverse? Were either of the parents involved in politics?
Robin’s a rep, but how many terms has she served? (You have to be at least 25 to be a representative, and terms are only two years. It’s entirely possible she’s running for her first reelection, and most everything we’ve seen of hers has come from campaign contribution so or the party.)
IU is a state university, not an Ivy League private school, and Roz is an Indiana resident. She’d get in as long as her high school transcript is competent and she can line up the credit for student loans.
We don’t, and considering the dean actively dislikes robin https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/junior/ I’m kinda surprised people are just accepting that Roz has to have gotten favor in admissions?
@Eve: To be fair, Robin could have got in as a legacy too, and memories of her time at the university might help to explain why the Dean hates her so much. “Oh Christ no, not voting for that one, I remember what she was like at school…”
But the only family member of Roz’s that Becky knows anything about is Robin, why would she be randomly assuming that her parents went here and then she got preference for that? It just seems like an insult that was pulled out as just an insult, assuming it’s true when the source is someone who knows jack shit about Roz’s family is silly. (Not that I blame Becky for pulling out random insults, I’d probably do some evil to avoid homelessness, and get pissy at people who acted like my choice wasn’t motivated by need)
I think Legacy Admissions are one of the most terrible things about the American educational system, and I think that here it’s just a random insult Becky is throwing out.
I don’t think we know either way, and it’s also not really relevant to what’s happening in this scene.
1) I didn’t say it had to be a big donation.
2) We were talking about the implication, not the facts.
IU-Bloomington has an acceptance rate of 76%. If you are an Indiana resident and in the top quarter of your high school class, admission is something you can pretty much take for granted.
By its own reporting, IU-Bloomington does consider legacy for admissions, and Joyce would definitely benefit from that. But legacy admissions at a public school like IU-Bloomington are not in the same category as legacy admissions at private schools like Stanford or Harvard.
“But legacy admissions at a public school like IU-Bloomington are not in the same category as legacy admissions at private schools like Stanford or Harvard.”
There’s your lede!
On the IU scale I’m trying to figure out which of our DofA main cast aren’t legacies. Walky and Sal’s mom was married to the man who is now the Dean, for example; did Carol go to IU? (Was that a continuation from the Walkyverse?)
Hank and Carol met at IU.
Ahh, I thought so for Hank and Carol. Still digging around about Linda.
Found this:
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/fancypantslounge/
It’s implied when Richard and Stacy hook up that they both went here too: “This place brings back so many memories”.
See I’m just waiting for Leslie’s reaction to all this, because you know Roz is gonna run this back to her by the next Gender Studies class.
I’m pretty sure that the expression on Leslie’s face will need to be put in the lexicon next to “Conflicted Feelings”.
“See also: ‘It hurt itself in its confusion'”
Fuckin…. savage. I’m so.proud of Becly right now.
Nah, being alt-right kinda requires you to be a nazi.
Perhaps so, but being -called- alt-right just requires not agreeing with the more authoritarian left people.
Their are also far-left meaning liberals who can be critical of news organizations like CNN and MSNBC mostly due to their passive aggressive dismissal of beloved individuals Like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ocasio Cortez, and Ilhan Omar.
Ok is there something I’ve missed in dumbiverse that established the desantos as rich? All I really remember being established about them is that Robin was kicked out, when she got into congress she would use her sisters as family props, the littlest one loves cereal, and the dean doesn’t like Robin https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/junior/.
Where are people getting the idea that Roz is rich or privileged because a non parent family member she hates managed to get in congress?
At least for me, I think it’s because it just sounds so improbable that a woman like Robin would get an Indiana seat in the US House of Representatives, no matter what a good little cypher and seat-warmer for the GOP she was. There has to have been a sponsor of some sort to get her a safe seat and grease the grinding wheels of internal party politics.
But I remember a Patreon comic that implied Robin was kicked out in this universe, same as dumbiverse, which either means if she was from a rich family they kicked her out but then still decided to give her tons of money and resources to become a big public face for their family which…doesn’t make sense? To do for a kid you kicked out?
Or she was still living with them while in congress and they kicked her out despite her being a congressperson with money and power, which also seems bizarre?
She has 5 houses.
All indications are Robin made a fortune being a corrupt politician. Her family isn’t rich.
SHE is rich.
Yah, that’s the implication I got. So why are people calling ROZ rich?
Yes, Roz, by all means: Assault someone for daring to try to undo your mean little prank on your older sister. Because that’s the way the courts will view it, no matter what the political ins and outs of your real motivation.
Hey! That was an enormous prank!
Uhh… What?
Maybe check again what it means to be “alt right” (also, keep in mind that that’s a euphemism they’ve chosen to call themselves).
And yet, they get mad when you call them that. Just like TERFS, and just as worthless.
Some explanation required. What does Becky mean by “Legacy Admission”?
Legacy admissions are when people get preference in admission to a school because their family members have gone to the school. Not sure if it actually applies to Roz? True or not it’s becky saying she didn’t earn her way into collage.
Why is that even a thing?
Because money makes the world go ’round. Especially in an entirely privately-funded educational system.
I live in the UK with actual dukes and lords and stuff and we don’t have legacy admissions any more. Prince Charles went to Oxford and his sons didn’t get in.
Something has gone wrong with the world.
Actually, Prince Charles went to the same Cambridge college I did (that’s why I know, otherwise I wouldn’t, not being a Brit), and based on his grades, it is unlikely that his grades were the reason they took him.
Good that they changed that policy.
Of course there are 100% still biases in the admissions process today, but at least they’re a little less straight forward than “You’re a royal, you’re in.”
Nah, worse than that.
Because Jews and Catholics were getting into good schools.
Back in the late 19th/early 20th centuries the top schools established preference for legacy students as a way to keep the old white Protestant families dominant and keep out the smart Jewish and Catholic children of immigrants who were starting to get in on merit. Legacy policy allowed them to discriminate without being open about it.
See also: The reason schools started requiring interviews, personal statements, essays and extracurricular information.
Because of privilege but honestly I have nothing but disgust as an academic for people who think college should be “earned.” Everyone should have the right to a higher education. If someone wants to attend a college and there’s room, they should be allowed in.
I mean, the problem usually arises precisely because more people want in than there’s space for, right? But of course nobody should get in just because their parents wen to the same place/ because their parents paid a lot of money. That’s bs.
Becky… I get from you’re expressions that you were actually listening. Maybe showing a little in good faith instead of going to your usual defense mechanisms would have been the better turn here. Compassion versus mutual abrasion.
Wait, is Roz getting ready to escalate to violence?
That’s what Roz is saying at least. Frankly, I think Ruth could take them both at the same time while hungover. So now, while sober, and with her meds kicking in and getting her to feel motivated again, Becky and Roz stand no chance against Ruth if she comes to break up a fight.
What if we throw in Dark Amber (Jet?) and Ultra Carla?
I’ve always found it interesting how Robin and Roz are flip sides. Robin has no ideology and is clueless about how her policies may affect other people. Roz on the other hand aspired to an ideology for ideologies sake, when it comes down to it, she doesn’t really care weather who she hurts. She reminds me of politicians who do things like champion women’s rights but then treat women in inappropriate ways. You know that old saying about opinions being like a certain body part? Well I’d really like to see someone tear Roz a new opinion.
Man all other things aside i really, really wish Becky had continued to walk away. As questionable as dorothy’s methods for defusing the situation was, defusing was definitely in order.
I’m sure Dorothy also wish Becky had continued to walk away.
NO SUCH LUCK! THERE ARE SICK BURNS TO BE HAD.
She is a Legacy admission, and she wasn’t expelled because of her sister, who she tried to ruin on purpose.
FAAAACE!
FAAAAAAAAAACE
“Legacy Admission”
Gonna need a sensu for that burn.
I’m wondering if part of Roz’s problem is that Becky somehow managed to find the single least flattering spin on Roz’s behaviour, making her seem like a irresponsible vandal.
FWIW, Becky is really good at politics – Spin is part of the art these days after all. Actually, I can see Dorothy continuing to watch Becky taking delight in tying Roz in rhetorical knots and find herself wondering if she wants to go into politics at all.
JOYCE: “Dorothy! I don’t want to be a Fundie stay-at-home mom anymore!”
DOROTHY and JOYCE fall into each other’s arms, crying.
DOROTHY: “Joyce, I don’t want to be President anymore!”
Frankly, Roz needed this to happen. Not because she wanted it, but because this is so far her most interesting character arc.
white fan favourite tells brown straw feminist not to be mean to other white fan favourite.
meryl-streep-sarcastically-saying-groundbreaking dot gif
Is Roz brown? She’s like a little bit redder than Becky. If I didn’t know she was supposed to be Latinx, I’d have just assumed she was also white.
Lots of Latinx people are white, owing to all the Spanish heritage. Skin color is not a great indicator of cultural identity
Becky knew Roz was Latina after only seeing her once – she referred to her as ‘The Mexican chick with glasses’. That’s not super common, from what I can tell, with white Latinas. That suggests, at least to me, that Roz isn’t white.
Lesbian kidnapping victim defends herself against Congresswoman’s sister.
doesn’t have the same ring to it, considering said lesbian kidnapping victim is now that same congresswoman’s campaign manager.
Heh, Becky is getting really good at that patented “walking away while delivering sick burn with a smug smile” routine.
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-8/01-face-the-strange/perfect/
As I may have mentioned once or twice, my favorite part of this comic is Joyce and her two ladies, Dorothy and Becky.
And Roz is such a GREAT foil for all three of them.
When she and Dorothy butted heads over the (imaginary) RA campaign, she presented herself as the real deal over Dorothy’s playing-dressup wanna-be politician.
Here Becky does exactly the same thing to Roz!!!
I love how Dorothy and Roz both tries to talk Becky out of her job, from different perspectives. Dorothy trying to talk down Roz has a bit of a bonding “you too, huh” vibe.
Roz needs to realize that Becky is doing this out of need not greed and act with the the sympathy that requires.
Becky needs to realize the people who have been hurt by Robins policies and will continue to be hurt by them in the chance she wins have the right to be mad about the person trying to get her to win.
The true solution would be to find a way for Becky to not be desperate for basic needs.
Ahhhh, I don’t like Roz. Haven’t done since she piled onto Joyce way back when. Which is a shame, because I believe in pretty much everything she stands for. She just smacks of that primitive mindset of sitting up in her tree and hucking rocks at anyone who comes threatening it…not because of any special virtue of the tree itself, but just because it’s hers.
And maybe that’s not wholly a bad thing…like we need the kind of people who’ll fight to the end, and sometimes that takes the type of person who’ll keep fighting for the sake of the fight. So maybe it’s not bad, but I just find that kind of person exhausting to be around, even if I agree with them.
Everything she pretends to stand for. I think the evidence supports the idea that her liberal attitude is a reaction to her familly not anything she came up with on her own. The next strip supports this.