As Ethan’s eyebrows approach the upper atmosphere, Joyce’s face continues to flatten until it becomes some sort of weird space-time bending event horizon. Like, I’m picturing something I think I saw in a TV show once but details aren’t crystalizing. Maybe it was the episode of Teen Titans (not Go) where Control Freak got a universal remote and the episode got really meta.
Eyebrows seem to be independent of the face they belong to in the Dumbiverse. I think we now know where the Aliens and Martians from the Walkyverse crossed over to the Dumbiverse, not as a cartoon show.
I don’t think Joyce told Ethan that she and Becky talked to her, but even without outing Jocelyn Ethan can at least say that she was cool about him being gay
You can be cool with “gay” and not with “trans”. Joyce is still somewhat steeped into gender roles like most cisgender women from her upbringing. She’s scratching the surface on feminism, but she isn’t quite there yet.
But if you’re gay now, won’t that make you straight when you transition? I’m very much with Galasso on this one, in the “not really understanding but fascinated,” camp.
But Joyce doesn’t want to talk to her about trans stuff (yet) /probably barely registers that trans people exist (yet), nor would Jocelyn have to out herself to be someone Joyce could talk to about developing these values and differences from the family and so on.
Trans is all about gender roles, so that’s not a problem. Joyce may not understand gender dysphoria, though. Has she mentioned anything in relation to mental illnesses before? I’m not sure. It would be really cringe if she goes all “but if you believe in Jesus, your brain will miraculously change its physical structure to match your prescribed gender!”
I would strongly disagree that being trans is about gender roles; there are tons of trans people who don’t conform to typical gender roles, including myself, and are still as binary (or non) trans as they would be otherwise.
Also lots of people who are all about gender roles consider that a big part of why trans people are bad.
Though that’s a little awkward since Joyce doesn’t know Jocelyne knows Ethan is gay. And the only reason Ethan knows is that he was flirting with her because he thought she was a gay man.
Both yes. I kind of muddled the sentence, but that led to him asking if she was gay and that led to their conversation about him being gay and thus to him learning she was trans.
None of which is anything he’s going to talk to Joyce about. Especially since he was supposedly dating her when flirting with who he thought was her brother.
I dunno, maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t think it was a big deal if I heard, “well Joshua* guessed I was gay, and was completely okay about it” and if I asked when that happened, hearing “I didn’t think I should bring it up” or something.
*because he’s telling Joyce and doesn’t want to out Joc
He did already, when he suggested she try the reasonable sibling he talked to. Yah Joyce used it as a chance to make a joke dunking on her siblings but I’m pretty sure she got who he meant.
Joyce doesn’t know Jocelyn would be who he’s talking about though, since I don’t think she’s mentioned that Jocelyn was cool at the diner, and Ethan didn’t mention anything he talked about with Jocelyn to Joyce. (he has met at least three of her family members and Becky)
In fairness to the man, OG Ethan was a flop at this age too. It was years of retail hell grinding away his sanity that made him finally cracked enough to succeed in the world of comedy.
Have him take Becky’s old job under Galasso for a decade or so, and he’ll be making funny pizza (and subs…and Batman) jokes by the end of it.
For Chrissakes, Ethan, just say “Joshua”. It isn’t disrespectful if she’s still in the closet to her family. This “not saying her name” makes you come off as weird and vague, and Joyce isn’t getting the point at all.
nyeeh it is still misgendering someone. and i think she might figure it out based jocelyne being the only sibling Ethan has met, who else would he be talking avout?
It does get awkward to talk about someone too long without using names or pronouns. More importantly, it gets obvious that you’re doing something weird. That in itself can help out someone. It’s a fine line.
Yeah, it’s not really disrespectful, at least not IMO. I’m not out to any of my family as trans, only my spouse and a few of our friends, and they’re *encouraged* to deadname me if they ever come into contact with my family. Ofc I’m just one person and YMMV, but I can draw a lot of parallels between my family/upbringing and Joyce’s, so if I was in Jocelyn’s shoes, I’d probably want people to help keep it secret for the moment.
On a side note, I don’t know if you’ll want to use this, but Cerberus once came up with the term “zombie name”, for a dead name that you still have to use to people that you’re not out to yet.
Outing someone against their will is just shoving your personal morality where it doesn’t belong. People who do that shit care more about ideology than the people its supposed to protect.
Best solution: ask the person how you should refer to them towards people.
Common sense solution if you can’t ask: use the name they are known by to the other person. you can try to avoid pronouns or gendered terms.
Not outing someone against their will comes first. Yes, they suffer from being misgendered, but as long as they feel they would suffer more if they were out to a specific person, it is safer this way.
Also, for the sake of knowing who you are talking about, you need to use a name the other person knows them by! If Jocelyne were out, you could say “Jocelyne, who you formerly knew as Joshua“. From then on, you only use the right name. But some people change their name several times during their transition, and if you aren’t in touch all the time, it helps when people update you. This is NOT the same as outing someone’s dead name that the other person didn’t even know about! I’d be pretty pissed if someone told my dead name to anyone who didn’t know it against my will.
… oh my gosh i LOVE the term “zombie name“. or „undead name“ for more similarity. This is so cool 😀 thanks. I am not in the closet anymore, but my official name change isn’t done yet, so with officials i still have to use it, this stupid walking dead name… sometimes i even have to tell it to friends if we have a money transfer to do… which i try to avoid… so my old name is still undead and i hope i get to put a stake through its heart soon…
She’s young and at her rate she’s already pieced together what most couldn’t even fathom. But I guess that doesn’t really matter, in the end despite what we all know and how much we learn as we get older in the grand scheme of it all we know nothing.
But Joyce, finding out the universe isn’t the way you thought is entirely self-discovery. The universe hasn’t changed, just you.
And really, cut yourself some slack, Joyce. Most people go their whole lives without even questioning any of their most important beliefs, let alone changing them. You get a bajillion points in my book for even being willing to question, let alone change. That’s a rare, rare skill…
The universe has always had a structure to it, though. What that structure means and what truths to pull from it are the quest. Mind you, I’ve spent much of my life with theoretical physicists in hopes of getting a proper religious set of beliefs (if religion is wrong, make it right) so I offend both sides. 🙂
But given that he has learnt how to approach sensitive topics from AMBER and her family, where you are always just one world away from a crisis or an evil dad, I think he plays it safe.
“HAHAHAH!! Thanks for making me laugh!
Man, that tiny bit of laughter at that tiny bit of a joke just solves all my problems and makes me utterly forget how crappy reality is!”
– Said no one in the midst of an existential crisis of faith EVER.
I don’t really think it makes Joyce unobservant but more just young yet ahead of the curb. She’s taking her new found skepticism and being bold enough ask questions where most go their entire lives without willingly considering.
Joyce, just because you’re in Sal’s aesthetic doesn’t mean you’re allowed to be snarky to everyone. Even if Ethan really, really deserves it at this point.
Does Joyce think Ethan means Jocelyne, or the other sibling her family doesn’t talk to any more (I can’t remember his name)? Like, I feel like the story is probably moving towards Joyce and Jocelyne finally talking completely openly to each other, but I can also see it taking a left turn and finally letting us know what the deal is with Joyce’s third sibling.
Jordan is who you’re thinking of. There’s some fan debate as to what it was that made Jordan the black sheep of the family. I lean to the “left the church” opinion, which would make him perfect for discussing a crisis of faith with.
But honestly, I think Ethan means Jocelyn. Not in the sense that he wants Jocelyn to out herself to Joyce, but in the sense that Jocelyn is the most likely person to be empathetic to Joyce’s crisis, seen from Ethan’s point of view.
Ethan’s never met Jordan, and we’ve no evidence either Joss or Joyce has shared anything about him beyond ‘exists and not on good terms with the rest of the family’ with him.
I’d say she can take solace in the fact that she had been lied to her entire life, so realizing this stuff only now isn’t totally her fault, but then that means everyone she knew, loved, and trusted are liars and I don’t think that would make her feel better…I mean, is it better than thinking you’re that much of an idiot?
Nope. It would make her family unobservant and laughable, not liars. And yes, that’s better than she herself being unobservant and laughable. Everyone’s parents are unobservant and laughable. Usually about smaller things, like internet savviness, but still.
What? Fuck no! She was brought up in an ultra-christian family, and she needed what, one month? Less? To break free from the conditioning. That’s the opposite of “unobservant” and “laughable”.
In this moment I think Joyce needs a similar realisation that I had during undergrad. She is so incredibly young. She’s done pretty well for her first time out in the real world
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“are you laughing at me or your dad joke”
The more she thinks about it the worse it gets.
the more she realizes that he’s also right and can’t come up with a counter argument
Joyce is really regretting giving up her dream tummy virginity to this guy.
*Insert Minecraft pain sound here*
Did you mean: “Joyce wanted to frick-frack this guy at one point”
Fracking? Injecting high pressure water with proprietary chemicals into him?
…astonishingly, yes.
Wow, who’d have thought fracking was a legitimate nickname for sex?
Ron Moore
The promised finger guns! Should I update my Tumblr?
https://valdvin.tumblr.com/post/182805004128/dofa-chart-for-finger-guns
Ethan: True Dad?
Also, the changes from panel 4 to panel 5 are a hoot.
As Ethan’s eyebrows approach the upper atmosphere, Joyce’s face continues to flatten until it becomes some sort of weird space-time bending event horizon. Like, I’m picturing something I think I saw in a TV show once but details aren’t crystalizing. Maybe it was the episode of Teen Titans (not Go) where Control Freak got a universal remote and the episode got really meta.
I should watch Teen Titans again.
Eyebrows seem to be independent of the face they belong to in the Dumbiverse. I think we now know where the Aliens and Martians from the Walkyverse crossed over to the Dumbiverse, not as a cartoon show.
Eyebrows need a tag.
It took a second viewing for me to catch those eyebrows!
Ethan needs to catch them himself, before they leave the solar system
Nah, they’ll get stuck in heliocentric orbit with Becky’s.
You should. You really should.
Yes!
finger guns…does shooting them off mean the person being shot at has been finger-banged? 😀
Joyce is not impressed
Yeah, she’s seen eyebrows leap off people’s faces before.
Ruth should switch to confiscating eyebrows.
At least he’s TRYING.
He’s very trying…
(Couldn’t resist!)
perfect gravitar…
Great! 😀
It’s okay, if you hadn’t posted this, I would have.
Ehhhh? Ehhhhhhhhhh?
*Awkward two panel silence*
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?
But neither of them is Canadian, and Ruth isn’t there.
ffs just say ‘maybe try Josh’
I don’t think Joyce told Ethan that she and Becky talked to her, but even without outing Jocelyn Ethan can at least say that she was cool about him being gay
You can be cool with “gay” and not with “trans”. Joyce is still somewhat steeped into gender roles like most cisgender women from her upbringing. She’s scratching the surface on feminism, but she isn’t quite there yet.
Boy is that ever true!
My family thought I was gay for years and were pretty chill about it
But suddenly I’m actually trans and it’s this whole big deal 🙄
That sucks :c
But if you’re gay now, won’t that make you straight when you transition? I’m very much with Galasso on this one, in the “not really understanding but fascinated,” camp.
I’m actually bi lol
I never came out till I told them I was trans, and before that they had just been assuming I was gay.
Also a lot of people experience a shift in who they are attracted to when they start transitioning. Not everyone, but many people.
Which is why I think a lot of gender non-conforming ppl don’t map well into the current terminology for attraction.
But Joyce doesn’t want to talk to her about trans stuff (yet) /probably barely registers that trans people exist (yet), nor would Jocelyn have to out herself to be someone Joyce could talk to about developing these values and differences from the family and so on.
Trans is all about gender roles, so that’s not a problem. Joyce may not understand gender dysphoria, though. Has she mentioned anything in relation to mental illnesses before? I’m not sure. It would be really cringe if she goes all “but if you believe in Jesus, your brain will miraculously change its physical structure to match your prescribed gender!”
I would strongly disagree that being trans is about gender roles; there are tons of trans people who don’t conform to typical gender roles, including myself, and are still as binary (or non) trans as they would be otherwise.
Also lots of people who are all about gender roles consider that a big part of why trans people are bad.
Oh I think maybe this was misunderstood is
“even without outing Jocelyn Ethan can at least say that she was cool about him being gay”
which more specifically would read
“even without outing Jocelyn, Ethan can at least say (to Joyce) that she (Jocelyn) was cool about him (Ethan) being gay
*maybe WHERE this was misunderstood
Though that’s a little awkward since Joyce doesn’t know Jocelyne knows Ethan is gay. And the only reason Ethan knows is that he was flirting with her because he thought she was a gay man.
*because he found her attractive.
He thought she was a gay man and he found her attractive when she was presenting as a man.
Both yes. I kind of muddled the sentence, but that led to him asking if she was gay and that led to their conversation about him being gay and thus to him learning she was trans.
None of which is anything he’s going to talk to Joyce about. Especially since he was supposedly dating her when flirting with who he thought was her brother.
True, true. I’d actually be surprised if he even mails Jocelyne. He’d feel too awkward to do that either.
I dunno, maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t think it was a big deal if I heard, “well Joshua* guessed I was gay, and was completely okay about it” and if I asked when that happened, hearing “I didn’t think I should bring it up” or something.
*because he’s telling Joyce and doesn’t want to out Joc
He did already, when he suggested she try the reasonable sibling he talked to. Yah Joyce used it as a chance to make a joke dunking on her siblings but I’m pretty sure she got who he meant.
Joyce doesn’t know Jocelyn would be who he’s talking about though, since I don’t think she’s mentioned that Jocelyn was cool at the diner, and Ethan didn’t mention anything he talked about with Jocelyn to Joyce. (he has met at least three of her family members and Becky)
Jocelyne is the only sibling Ethan’s met. It doesn’t make sense for him to mean anyone else.
I forgot he mentioned siblings, I was going off the line ‘one reasonable family member’
I like how Willis makes sure characters don’t follow the same path in this timeline as they did in the Walkyverse.
For example, now we know that Ethan will never be a standup comedian.
In fairness to the man, OG Ethan was a flop at this age too. It was years of retail hell grinding away his sanity that made him finally cracked enough to succeed in the world of comedy.
Have him take Becky’s old job under Galasso for a decade or so, and he’ll be making funny pizza (and subs…and Batman) jokes by the end of it.
he was also a specialist comic, he specialized in toy, Batman, and Transformer jokes…
I think I finally found a new gravatar.
does it even count if it’s almost the same expressionSure it counts! It’s like an upgrade! Super Disapproving Joyce!
One’s more of a death glare, and the other more of a death eye-roll.
If it works for butts it must surely work for faces as well.
Yeah, but Ana Chronistic once made a Nina Tucker joke and today’s face doesn’t feel quite as punchy as what I would want for that.
For Chrissakes, Ethan, just say “Joshua”. It isn’t disrespectful if she’s still in the closet to her family. This “not saying her name” makes you come off as weird and vague, and Joyce isn’t getting the point at all.
nyeeh it is still misgendering someone. and i think she might figure it out based jocelyne being the only sibling Ethan has met, who else would he be talking avout?
based on*
I think you might be giving Joyce a bit more credit than she deserves 😛
It does get awkward to talk about someone too long without using names or pronouns. More importantly, it gets obvious that you’re doing something weird. That in itself can help out someone. It’s a fine line.
Yeah, it’s not really disrespectful, at least not IMO. I’m not out to any of my family as trans, only my spouse and a few of our friends, and they’re *encouraged* to deadname me if they ever come into contact with my family. Ofc I’m just one person and YMMV, but I can draw a lot of parallels between my family/upbringing and Joyce’s, so if I was in Jocelyn’s shoes, I’d probably want people to help keep it secret for the moment.
(Dang it, I know how to spell Jocelyne’s name right, I just type way too fast and my brain can’t keep up)
On a side note, I don’t know if you’ll want to use this, but Cerberus once came up with the term “zombie name”, for a dead name that you still have to use to people that you’re not out to yet.
Damn I wish I had known that term when I was still closeted
Ohh, that’s too perfect! Definitely using that for myself, not that I intend to need it for long.
Omg, that’s brilliant. I’ve gotta tell that one to my friends–they’ll love it.
I’m a little pleased to have helped prompt the coining of that term.
Outing someone against their will is just shoving your personal morality where it doesn’t belong. People who do that shit care more about ideology than the people its supposed to protect.
Yeah, I think outing her like that would be much more disrespectful than using her zombie name.
Best solution: ask the person how you should refer to them towards people.
Common sense solution if you can’t ask: use the name they are known by to the other person. you can try to avoid pronouns or gendered terms.
Not outing someone against their will comes first. Yes, they suffer from being misgendered, but as long as they feel they would suffer more if they were out to a specific person, it is safer this way.
Also, for the sake of knowing who you are talking about, you need to use a name the other person knows them by! If Jocelyne were out, you could say “Jocelyne, who you formerly knew as Joshua“. From then on, you only use the right name. But some people change their name several times during their transition, and if you aren’t in touch all the time, it helps when people update you. This is NOT the same as outing someone’s dead name that the other person didn’t even know about! I’d be pretty pissed if someone told my dead name to anyone who didn’t know it against my will.
… oh my gosh i LOVE the term “zombie name“. or „undead name“ for more similarity. This is so cool 😀 thanks. I am not in the closet anymore, but my official name change isn’t done yet, so with officials i still have to use it, this stupid walking dead name… sometimes i even have to tell it to friends if we have a money transfer to do… which i try to avoid… so my old name is still undead and i hope i get to put a stake through its heart soon…
Yeah, Ethan can tell Joyce which sibling she should talk to without outing Jocelyn.
The one who helped helped you break into a house. That’s the cool one.
(I don’t think Ethan knows about this, but, from our vantage point.)
Kinda seems like the conversation has moved off of Jocelyne at this point, though.
Pretty sure Joyce got it, but still… siblings are butts
He said the one he talked to, and she’s the only sibling of Joyces he’s talked to, so he already has said who.
I relate so much to Elliot in those last two panels.
Did you teleport here from the QC forum? 🙂
Just clicked over, no teleportation required.
*plays John Cougar Mellenkamp’s “Twentieth Century Fox” on the hacked Muzak*
Is that a cover of the Doors song?
Yes, as it turns out.
I dunno, a month and a half into your first time on your own isn’t what I’d call late to figuring things out.
How about “nearly two decades in” or “an entire lifetime”?
Not when those 20 yrs have been people consistently and deliberately telling you to believe that’s how the universe works.
Well from our perspective, no, but from Joyce’s?
…Ethan means well. 😛
He is contributing!
The general form of his advice, “go talk to your cool older sibling”, is pretty good advice!
The jokes need work. Or silencing. Probably silencing.
Ethan will not be making his debut as a professional comedian anytime soon.
Or ever.
It’s dad jokes like these that make me think my gravatar was well-assigned.
If Bagge’s not loving this comic to death, I don’t even know who they are anymore.
I DO love this comic to death 🙂
….
…. that poor comic.
…I realize I should have asked more followup questions before committing.
AND THAT WILL BE YOUR UNDOING, FOOL!
Hopefully not in an Emyra Duff manner… Poor thing needs to breathe!
Killing me softly with his strip!
Killing me softly, with his puns
Making my face-slap, with dad jokes
Killing me sooftly… with his stri-i-p
If anything, Joyce is downplaying it in the first panel.
After all, everything she’s ever known, everything she’s been taught might be a… a goddamned lie.
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/originalsin/
Oof. Man, that feeling of being behind other people around you, maybe even that there’s stuff you’ll never figure out… crap, I can relate to that.
Ethan’s response is pretty appropriate, though. Even if he is using dad jokes with reckless abandon!
She’s young and at her rate she’s already pieced together what most couldn’t even fathom. But I guess that doesn’t really matter, in the end despite what we all know and how much we learn as we get older in the grand scheme of it all we know nothing.
lmao tfw you realize what a strange bullet (the dad jokes) you’ve accidentally dodged with this one eh
But Joyce, finding out the universe isn’t the way you thought is entirely self-discovery. The universe hasn’t changed, just you.
And really, cut yourself some slack, Joyce. Most people go their whole lives without even questioning any of their most important beliefs, let alone changing them. You get a bajillion points in my book for even being willing to question, let alone change. That’s a rare, rare skill…
The universe has always had a structure to it, though. What that structure means and what truths to pull from it are the quest. Mind you, I’ve spent much of my life with theoretical physicists in hopes of getting a proper religious set of beliefs (if religion is wrong, make it right) so I offend both sides. 🙂
Today, we are all Joyce.
I am also Ethan.
I thought we were Spartacus.
I’m not.
I can tell you this: I am not a number.
You are, number 6.
Who is number 1?
As if you’d even have to ask…
My spiritual predecessor, of course.
I’m a sucker for dad jokes! But Ethan, you definitely need to work on your timing.
lower those eyebrows, Milhouse.
the other one too
HA!
Ethan my man bustin out the solid wordplay.
Has Ethan considered attacking this from the other end? Emailing Jocelyne “Joyce is having a hard time now, maybe you could give her a call?”
Or is that just a different betrayal?
He might have done – I’m sure we will find out.
But given that he has learnt how to approach sensitive topics from AMBER and her family, where you are always just one world away from a crisis or an evil dad, I think he plays it safe.
“HAHAHAH!! Thanks for making me laugh!
Man, that tiny bit of laughter at that tiny bit of a joke just solves all my problems and makes me utterly forget how crappy reality is!”
– Said no one in the midst of an existential crisis of faith EVER.
…. he means well.
…I feel like I’ve actually enjoyed and appreciated little jokes when I’m feeling really down. To each their own!
Same. It really helps block spiralling.
Humor is the primary tool we use for coping with whatever’s going on in our lives.
This doesn’t make the dad joke better, but it probably did help, even if just a little.
When your gay ex-boyfriend tries to sheer you up when you discover god may not be real and you try to avoid becoming a Nier Automata character.
I don’t really think it makes Joyce unobservant but more just young yet ahead of the curb. She’s taking her new found skepticism and being bold enough ask questions where most go their entire lives without willingly considering.
It’s probably not where Willis is going but I do hope she finds a faith that fulfills her and gives her a sense of belonging in the universe.
Pastafarianism is the logical choice, then.
Joyce, just because you’re in Sal’s aesthetic doesn’t mean you’re allowed to be snarky to everyone. Even if Ethan really, really deserves it at this point.
Get this man a husband and a bunch of kids, he is Ready!
Okay, sudden thought.
Does Joyce think Ethan means Jocelyne, or the other sibling her family doesn’t talk to any more (I can’t remember his name)? Like, I feel like the story is probably moving towards Joyce and Jocelyne finally talking completely openly to each other, but I can also see it taking a left turn and finally letting us know what the deal is with Joyce’s third sibling.
Jordan is who you’re thinking of. There’s some fan debate as to what it was that made Jordan the black sheep of the family. I lean to the “left the church” opinion, which would make him perfect for discussing a crisis of faith with.
But honestly, I think Ethan means Jocelyn. Not in the sense that he wants Jocelyn to out herself to Joyce, but in the sense that Jocelyn is the most likely person to be empathetic to Joyce’s crisis, seen from Ethan’s point of view.
“ok, dangit, you both need sibling hugs, evben if you’re not each sure why the other needs sibling hugs.”
Ethan’s never met Jordan, and we’ve no evidence either Joss or Joyce has shared anything about him beyond ‘exists and not on good terms with the rest of the family’ with him.
He did mention the one he met, which is Jocelyn, he hasn’t met Jordan.
Ethan’s face in panel 5 is almost sweet enough to turn me gay for him. 😉
I’m getting a Walkyverse Joe vibe off of Ethan with the color palette and finger guns.
Nice one, Ethan
It’s not a race, Joyce.
Eh? Eehhhh?
I want to be Joyce but really I’m Ethan.
I’d say she can take solace in the fact that she had been lied to her entire life, so realizing this stuff only now isn’t totally her fault, but then that means everyone she knew, loved, and trusted are liars and I don’t think that would make her feel better…I mean, is it better than thinking you’re that much of an idiot?
It’s truer.
And that has to count for something.
Nope. It would make her family unobservant and laughable, not liars. And yes, that’s better than she herself being unobservant and laughable. Everyone’s parents are unobservant and laughable. Usually about smaller things, like internet savviness, but still.
Nevermind, guess we aren’t getting Jocelyn… sadness
Ethan, you are wearing an outer garment with which you can be strangled.
grrrr, not able to see today’s strip again. what the frig is going on with that? This is really cheesing me off.
I feel like in the last panel the sign next to Ethan’s head should’ve turned from “Desk” to “Dork”
What? Fuck no! She was brought up in an ultra-christian family, and she needed what, one month? Less? To break free from the conditioning. That’s the opposite of “unobservant” and “laughable”.
Iknorite? TOok me YEARS and I’m STILL having trouble breaking all the habbits x.x
Joyce is awesome.
It’s been 8-ish weeks, about two months.
That much? Wow. Joyce is getting old. With that pace she may get stray grey hairs before I die!
More like a month and a half. It’s roughly the middle of October right now.
Sorry, I don’t have a smarmy quip for your clarification too. You’ll have to be satisfied with just my gratitude.
It’s roughly the middle of YOUR FACE right now.
(Look, you didn’t exactly make it easy to come up with a properly smarmy quip, and it’s also late; so this is the best you’ll get, OK?)
You tried! 😀
God, I hope Joyce does talk to Jocelyne!
In this moment I think Joyce needs a similar realisation that I had during undergrad. She is so incredibly young. She’s done pretty well for her first time out in the real world