I never really got into Sailor Moon when it aired in my country…but then again, I was a kid back then. And back then, if you’re a dude and you watch Sailor Moon, you’ll be the laughingstock of the the other boys.
The one where he watched like a few episodes of the show dubbed and decided her knew something about it? And calls the main character stupid and a slut because she *gasp* wears a short skirt? And talks about how lesbians give him the boner?
Yeah, I really don’t care about some white dude’s “informed opinions” on a story created by a Japanese woman and aimed for young girls, when he barely did any research.
He did. He does point out that the age of consent is lower in japan, and he is surprised about the censorship of lesbians but not the sexualization of minors
That doesn’t make “barely did any research” accurate. If I had started out with the viewpoint Nev is complaining about and had decided to do five minutes of halfassed research and call it good, that information is probably the sort of thing that would pop up in my Googling.
1) Why don’t you make a point to specify what was so shoddy about his opinion and research? What could he have done better?
2) He wasn’t commenting on the series as a whole, he was talking specifically about the cartoon’s impact in America when it first aired in the 90’s. So of course he only gonna talk about the English dub and how they made sailor moon quite ditzy, because thats what was aired. No one watched the Japanese version because it wasn’t available
3) You have informed opinion in quotes. Who said that? It wasn’t Doug Walker nor anyone else here. Doug just said his opinion and talked his reasoning as to why he felt the way he did/
4) Also most of the reactions were played up for comedic effect, notably the lesbians.
5) Oh yeah he never called her a slut. He did mention how her clothes were revealing for American (and Japanese for that matter) standards, especially given that she supposed to be 14. He could’ve mentioned that it was a Japanese fad to pull up ones school uniform skirt to defy uniform regulations, but honestly he spent more than enough time talking about the whole sexualization thing
The great thing is that she’ll completely fail to understand how depressing your life is and narrate it as if you’re a lot happier than you really are. And then maybe you can convince yourself that she’s right!
I envision … no that’s not right … enhear? …. is that a word? .. well it is now.
I enhear her speaking in the style of David Attenborough but with the voice of Hynden Walch. Yup that is her al right. {glomp}
I see no flannel on her, nor do I see super day-glo, or crop tops, or weird mini pigtails with long hair in the back, or basically anything from Fresh Prince or Buffy.
Wait, the frontman of modern science, the last French king to kick some european asses and one of the greatest businessman of his time do not deserve smug selfsatisfaction ?
Then who does ?
Speaking of her hips, it’s obvious that this isn’t being drawn by a mainstream artist since there are two women in the comic who are both legally adults, yet we barely see a slight bit of one boob on one of them, and neither’s ass is visible whatsoever!
If this were coming out of one of the main publishers, we’d definitely get at least one panel with T&A.
Now, now, Liefeld is only the most memorably terrible artist of the ’90s. There were still plenty turning out work with visible eyes and at least semi-plausible anatomy.
That said, you’re right, she is lacking the required gun twice her size…
(Though, to be fair to Liefeld, he HAS improved noticably. He’s still not good, but he’s not nearly as bad as he was. And he does seem to be a nice enough guy who actually loves and cares about comics even though he’s a bad writer AND artist.)
“It’s Billie’s large posterior. Dina is predisposed towards such.”
Is she incapable of deceit on this point, despite her siblings’ tendency toward self-delusion?
True. It’s not really her self-awareness that was unexpected, now that I think on it, but that she actually came out and told Billie. But I guess she’s been letting Billie in on everything lately. It’s just such a radical change from her behaviour before the fire alarm, which often seemed to be specifically designed to keep Billie confused and off-balance, though that was probably mostly just a result of Ruth herself being confused and off-balance.
There’s no straps in evidence now, so just because she’s wearing pants in one panel of tomorrow’s strip doesn’t mean that she doesn’t spend the first three panels sensually wriggling into them for Billie’s benefit. (And then, ’cause this is Ruth we’re talking about, demanding, “What’re you lookin’ at?!” and punching Billie in the sternum.)
It’d be ’80s if she were a dude. Not sure about ladies. But I’m probably not qualified to have an opinion; I’m wearing the same black hoodie I was in 1992. (Literally the same one. It’s worn well.)
Which sounds kinda sad because to me, wearing something from your teenage/young adult years has that sort of “can’t let go of the past” kind of feel to it.
So I should get rid of a perfectly good hoodie (which, yes, still fits me) in order to satisfy some stranger on the Internet’s armchair diagnosis of my emotional problems on basically zero information?
It’s not like I’m getting drunk and putting on a damaged cheerleader uniform that I’ve gotten too fat for and trying to kiss my roommate or something.
Seeing as Billie was expecting a lot of action from college, she may have been taking it.
It may also be the case for Dorothy as she was in a consumated relationship with Danny and soon got attached to Walky.
The next storyline will involve all the towels on the campus -nay, the world- mysteriously vanishing. It will not be suggested that aliens are responsible.
And then Ruth is going to go chasing after a drunk-driving Billie and get hit by a truck. No regrets!
I miss the 90s bad. But Im thinking that her shirt has a little more of a late 80s early nighties flair. Just add some wrap around shades and a scrunchie and give the shirt some glittery lettering. Ugh, Ive gone too far.
I actually like Danny more than Joe. Danny-for his faults-at least tries to think of other people’s feelings and considers the people around him as he lives his life.
Joe is a jerk of a bed-hopper who’s deepest though was if he wanted mustard on a corn dog at one point.
So yea, I’d rather have a flawed but more human character like Danny than an ass like Joe.
Joe’s not that bad. He berated Danny for thinking Billie can’t make her own decisions. He straight-up told Walky that he’s insecure in his masculinity and tries to defend that by projecting arbitrary gender roles/rules on others. He was embarrassed by his dad’s inappropriate behaviour. Being promiscuous, if done honestly and openly, isn’t a flaw. His main flaw is he doesn’t understand Danny, but he’s been trying to stay good friends regardless. And yeah, he can be shallow, but he’s not the only one.
The 90s were not the best. But they were weird and wonderful, and this is not at all influenced by me having a childhood during that era and not knowing what was going on in politics.
I wonder if some people are voting twice? It seems to go by IP, not device. It’s weird because Sal, along with everyone else I voted for (Ruth, Billie) were consistently in the same places in top 6 until a couple of days ago, when Walky started catching up.
No, it just goes to show that everything she does is deliberate. The whiplash moodswings, and pre-kiss Billie-abuse, were probably things she did for fun or to instil that power and sense of control through the fear of others.
Ruth has control issues….most def.
Ruth starts with the guard all the way up.
Part of that guard is her taking the offensive.
Then she opens little windows.
But she doesn’t lie about what she’s doing.
I know the character has just recently been introduced and is no longer a student, but would you consider adding Joshua to future fav. character polls?
For a second, I thought the marks on Billie’s back were claw marks. I didn’t think it was weird until I realized there was a very low chance she fought a tiger between her room and Ruth’s.
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Oh just make out already!
second
Sloppy seconds! 😀
Third! (Though I agree with Tunaro below, at the same time…)
At least this didn’t start with “FIRST!”…
Give it a bit. Insulting each other and bickering a bit is part of the foreplay.
Like this?
http://wondermark.com/979/
That shirt reminds me of Sailor Moon for some reason.
Your Sailor Moon is no match against the ORDO MALLEUS!
Soundwave Superior, ORDO MALLEUS INFERIOR.
Tau Superior, Soundwave a pile of slag.
Decepticons Superior, Tau squishy flesh creatures.
With godlike fire power.
The gods of the older, stagnant races are nothing but myth. The Greater Good is the true path into the future!
Every time I hear about the Tau I keep thinking of the Qunari from Dragon Age, even though the Tau came first.
Well Billie is as ‘talented’ as Lita/Makoto after all.
Apparently, Sailor Moon sounds better than I had originally thought…which is not much.
the non-dub sailor moon is actually pretty good, if a bit repetative
I never really got into Sailor Moon when it aired in my country…but then again, I was a kid back then. And back then, if you’re a dude and you watch Sailor Moon, you’ll be the laughingstock of the the other boys.
Skip both and watch the live action Sailor Moon. Soooo much better.
Skip all of them and just wait for the new anime. That way you can avoid having 75% of the fandom tell you you like the wrong version.
Billie is 4 years older than sailor moon.
I recommend doug walker’s nostalgia critic review of the show.
The one where he watched like a few episodes of the show dubbed and decided her knew something about it? And calls the main character stupid and a slut because she *gasp* wears a short skirt? And talks about how lesbians give him the boner?
Yeah, I really don’t care about some white dude’s “informed opinions” on a story created by a Japanese woman and aimed for young girls, when he barely did any research.
He did. He does point out that the age of consent is lower in japan, and he is surprised about the censorship of lesbians but not the sexualization of minors
That doesn’t make “barely did any research” accurate. If I had started out with the viewpoint Nev is complaining about and had decided to do five minutes of halfassed research and call it good, that information is probably the sort of thing that would pop up in my Googling.
It was well worth watching if only for the Darth Vader scene.
1) Why don’t you make a point to specify what was so shoddy about his opinion and research? What could he have done better?
2) He wasn’t commenting on the series as a whole, he was talking specifically about the cartoon’s impact in America when it first aired in the 90’s. So of course he only gonna talk about the English dub and how they made sailor moon quite ditzy, because thats what was aired. No one watched the Japanese version because it wasn’t available
3) You have informed opinion in quotes. Who said that? It wasn’t Doug Walker nor anyone else here. Doug just said his opinion and talked his reasoning as to why he felt the way he did/
4) Also most of the reactions were played up for comedic effect, notably the lesbians.
5) Oh yeah he never called her a slut. He did mention how her clothes were revealing for American (and Japanese for that matter) standards, especially given that she supposed to be 14. He could’ve mentioned that it was a Japanese fad to pull up ones school uniform skirt to defy uniform regulations, but honestly he spent more than enough time talking about the whole sexualization thing
These two are a definite pair. They gotta work.
yay for self awareness
Awesome avatar! Did you get it randomly, or is it unique?
I think all the random ones are close-ups with transparent backgrounds.
I honestly don’t have any jokes to say about this strip.
Daww, she still cares. (Who cares is an exercise I leave up to the observer…. 😉 )
We need Dina to explain what is going on between these two.
Ruth is hiding behind a door, The Dina’s most common habitat.
“Billie is knocking on the door in order to gain access. This is a common tradition in all cultures with doors.”
Yep, we need some kind of nature documentary with Dina narrating.
I want Dina Commentary on all my DVDs.
I want Dina to narrate my life….no matter how depressing it is.
The great thing is that she’ll completely fail to understand how depressing your life is and narrate it as if you’re a lot happier than you really are. And then maybe you can convince yourself that she’s right!
Who wouldn’t be happy with Dina around narrating their life?
…except for the ones with dinosaurs, unless you REALLY want super-accurate and pedantic rants about everything wrong with them.
Doesn’t everyone want super-accurate and pedantic rants about everything wrong with movies?
… I’ve been watching movies wrong.
If Dumbing of Age ever becomes a TV show, I want Dina commentary for every episode.
This needs to be a thing. Get to it, Willis!
I envision … no that’s not right … enhear? …. is that a word? .. well it is now.
I enhear her speaking in the style of David Attenborough but with the voice of Hynden Walch. Yup that is her al right. {glomp}
Nah, Marlon Perkins should be narrating. Dina can be the assistant Marlon tries to kill every episode.
Now, I await the sniffing and realizing someone has been drinking.
Ruth is a Boozehound.
Calling it now, it’s both of them.
Ruth seems more serious about the whole thing. I have faith in her.
Why is Faith in her, is she cheating on Ruth?
They’re both lushs in both senses of the word.
5 Days? Wow.
Seriously; five days in comic time is five months in our world.
Looking super? Yeah.
Looking ’90s? I disagree.
I see no flannel on her, nor do I see super day-glo, or crop tops, or weird mini pigtails with long hair in the back, or basically anything from Fresh Prince or Buffy.
But she is wearing her smug sense of undeserved self assurance and self satisfaction.
Go back and look at portraits of Sir Isaac Newton, Louis XIV, Thomas Edison, etc. Undeserved smug satisfaction predates the 1990s by quite a bit!
Wait, the frontman of modern science, the last French king to kick some european asses and one of the greatest businessman of his time do not deserve smug selfsatisfaction ?
Then who does ?
And I see no absurd amount of pouches or one shoulder pads.
No spikes either, and neither “blood” nor “death” have been awkwardly shoved into her name, which also remains correctly spelled without any Xs or Zs…
I mean, she’s still Jennifer “Billie” Billingsworth, not “Xennyfyr “Bloody” Deathingzwyrth”…
And she doesn’t carry guns and I can still see her eyes. If this is 90’s Billie, she should have Youngblood’s disease.
And don’t forget that her hips is still not in the swayed position.
Speaking of her hips, it’s obvious that this isn’t being drawn by a mainstream artist since there are two women in the comic who are both legally adults, yet we barely see a slight bit of one boob on one of them, and neither’s ass is visible whatsoever!
If this were coming out of one of the main publishers, we’d definitely get at least one panel with T&A.
Ah yes, the dreaded Liefeld disease, crippled many a promising superhero back in the day.
Now, now, Liefeld is only the most memorably terrible artist of the ’90s. There were still plenty turning out work with visible eyes and at least semi-plausible anatomy.
That said, you’re right, she is lacking the required gun twice her size…
(Though, to be fair to Liefeld, he HAS improved noticably. He’s still not good, but he’s not nearly as bad as he was. And he does seem to be a nice enough guy who actually loves and cares about comics even though he’s a bad writer AND artist.)
LOL, I love that compliment, he sucks less now.
No Yotomoe, I wasn’t, but now that you mention it…..
JUST FUCK ALREADY!!!!
Dude, not in public. The last thing we need is an orgy and do you know how hard it is to clean up after an orgy?
not to mention how difficult it is to draw, or how many ships willis would need to wreck to cause one.
Hurry up and ‘fess up, Billie.
*”I’ve been cheating on you. With Dina”
It’s Billie’s large posterior. Dina is predisposed towards such.
“and I’m pregnant. Turned out Howard was right”
“She was in love ever since I gave her tickets to the dinosaur exhibit. I’m sorry, but her dick is so large”
Should I even bring the “Everyone goes with Billie” gag again?
“It’s Billie’s large posterior. Dina is predisposed towards such.”
Is she incapable of deceit on this point, despite her siblings’ tendency toward self-delusion?
Are they playing on the old banjo?
I don’t get the reference.
Oh i looked it up. It seems to come from a folk song
Yay, I finally stumped someone, my day is complete. Honestly, I thought that might be just a little too obscure of a reference.
90s Billie is alright, but I prefer Generations Billie.
As long as we don’t bring up Billie ’06.
Or Billie R.
I prefer Billie ’66, myself.
Espeially when she does the Bill-Tusi.
Follow me, set me free, trust me as we will escape from this Billie~
Old Testament Billie
Not Billie: The Next Generation? Deep Space Whine? Billiger? And we can’t forget Billieprise.
Bring back Billieprise.
“Geez, Ruth, come on. Wasting all that booze by spilling it on the floor? That’s alcohol abuse!”
Ruth’s unexpectedly self-aware here.
(Also voting for “just make out already”.)
Ruth’s always been pretty self-aware. She realizes the irony in her relationship with alcohol and her attraction to Billie.
Just that her self-awareness doesn’t really help her in changing those things, so it just makes her more depressed.
True. It’s not really her self-awareness that was unexpected, now that I think on it, but that she actually came out and told Billie. But I guess she’s been letting Billie in on everything lately. It’s just such a radical change from her behaviour before the fire alarm, which often seemed to be specifically designed to keep Billie confused and off-balance, though that was probably mostly just a result of Ruth herself being confused and off-balance.
What’s Ruth hiding behind Door # 1??
MORE DOORS.
An infinite regression of doors!
One does not simply hide behind More Doors.
I see what you did there.
Best “more door” was in ruby quest …
She isn’t wearing pants.
And in the dark?? Billie, rush in!
Sadly not the case… Not only is she wearing pants, she’s wearing pants with shoulder straps.
I’m torn between cursing the evidence and laughing at your description of her overall shorts! Thanks, Kladeos!
Ah, overalls. Next to sweater vests, one of the better articles of clothing that can men and women look good.
There’s no straps in evidence now, so just because she’s wearing pants in one panel of tomorrow’s strip doesn’t mean that she doesn’t spend the first three panels sensually wriggling into them for Billie’s benefit. (And then, ’cause this is Ruth we’re talking about, demanding, “What’re you lookin’ at?!” and punching Billie in the sternum.)
A NEW CAR!
And booze belongs in your mouth, not in a pool on the floor.
But maybe in a pool in the backyard, if you have enough to fill it up.
Gotta appreciate that blunt honesty.
So, wearing a blue shirt looked 90’s? Damn, I must’ve been the 90-iest guy half of the week.
Teal and pink, dude!
I dunno, that doesn’t strike me as specifically ’90s… It’s more ’80s, if it belongs to any specific decade.
That’s just how it strikes me.
It’d be ’80s if she were a dude. Not sure about ladies. But I’m probably not qualified to have an opinion; I’m wearing the same black hoodie I was in 1992. (Literally the same one. It’s worn well.)
That… sounds kinda sad.
Being able to fit into the same hoodie you wore twenty years ago sounds victorious.
Unless it’s all stretched and taut and un-floppy-hoodie-like. *That* would be sad.
He didn’t say anything about being able to fit into it, he just said he is still wearing it.
Which sounds kinda sad because to me, wearing something from your teenage/young adult years has that sort of “can’t let go of the past” kind of feel to it.
So I should get rid of a perfectly good hoodie (which, yes, still fits me) in order to satisfy some stranger on the Internet’s armchair diagnosis of my emotional problems on basically zero information?
It’s not like I’m getting drunk and putting on a damaged cheerleader uniform that I’ve gotten too fat for and trying to kiss my roommate or something.
I’m just hoping it was laundered once or twice somewhere along the way…
Well, yeah. I’m not Walky.
“I’ve been cheating and totally drinking at night, so I’m figuring you are too, Ruth. So open up!”
You know, that’s a pretty misleading cartoon title there, Mr. Willis! 😀
Question for the fanbase: which DoA woman is going to need the Pill most? Who’s already on it?
Roz for both. She likes to fool around but always practices safe sex.
Sez your gravitar. Well played.
Definitely Roz. Joe even says so – “She said she was on the pill, man” – in this strip.
Seeing as Billie was expecting a lot of action from college, she may have been taking it.
It may also be the case for Dorothy as she was in a consumated relationship with Danny and soon got attached to Walky.
Maybe Sal too.
Who might be on cheaper and more reliable contraception than the Pill?
–this comment paid for by the IUD and Implant Awareness Service
Two thoughts going through my head right now.
1. What Ruth says in panel four sounds pretty much like how Billie has lived her entire life.
2. This strikes me as the penultimate opportunity for Ruth to lounge around in a towel and “accidentally” get caught by Billie.
Wait… she’ll only have one more opportunity for that to happen?!
The next storyline will involve all the towels on the campus -nay, the world- mysteriously vanishing. It will not be suggested that aliens are responsible.
And then Ruth is going to go chasing after a drunk-driving Billie and get hit by a truck. No regrets!
I’m using Keys! I mean it! I’ll be polite if I have to!
I thought Ruth was the Canadian.
Whee! We’re back to my two favorite people.
90s Billie is a pretty sweet Billie.
I miss the 90s bad. But Im thinking that her shirt has a little more of a late 80s early nighties flair. Just add some wrap around shades and a scrunchie and give the shirt some glittery lettering. Ugh, Ive gone too far.
They say that fashions come back every 20 years or so, so that means that the 90s are due to make a comeback anytime now.
Too far? Nay, good sir, you have not.
Billie is pretty sweet in general.
I HAVE THE POWER!
I’m still sad that Joe is losing to Danny of all people in the poll.
I actually like Danny more than Joe. Danny-for his faults-at least tries to think of other people’s feelings and considers the people around him as he lives his life.
Joe is a jerk of a bed-hopper who’s deepest though was if he wanted mustard on a corn dog at one point.
So yea, I’d rather have a flawed but more human character like Danny than an ass like Joe.
Joe’s not that bad. He berated Danny for thinking Billie can’t make her own decisions. He straight-up told Walky that he’s insecure in his masculinity and tries to defend that by projecting arbitrary gender roles/rules on others. He was embarrassed by his dad’s inappropriate behaviour. Being promiscuous, if done honestly and openly, isn’t a flaw. His main flaw is he doesn’t understand Danny, but he’s been trying to stay good friends regardless. And yeah, he can be shallow, but he’s not the only one.
I hope someday you will join us
and the world will be as one
With a Joe gravatar? Nah, I’ve got my fingers crossed for Sal.
Danny’s more complex than Joe. Joe’s sole interest is sex.
He also harbours a strangely strong interest in being Danny’s friend.
One could also argue that Danny’s sole interest is being in a relationship.
Old Joe was an inventor-genius and into geek toys. I forget, is this one also into geek stuff?
The 90s were not the best. But they were weird and wonderful, and this is not at all influenced by me having a childhood during that era and not knowing what was going on in politics.
I love this ship so much.
OT: it’s really disappointing that Walky is ahead of Sal in the polls, if just for a handful of votes. Come on, people.
Sal deserves more love!
Definitely! Now Dorothy and Mike have more votes as well 🙁
I wonder if some people are voting twice? It seems to go by IP, not device. It’s weird because Sal, along with everyone else I voted for (Ruth, Billie) were consistently in the same places in top 6 until a couple of days ago, when Walky started catching up.
Looks like Sal’s catching up.
Ruth’s so honest. Love her to bits.
me too, she has such a strange personality!
No, it just goes to show that everything she does is deliberate. The whiplash moodswings, and pre-kiss Billie-abuse, were probably things she did for fun or to instil that power and sense of control through the fear of others.
Ruth has control issues….most def.
Ruth starts with the guard all the way up.
Part of that guard is her taking the offensive.
Then she opens little windows.
But she doesn’t lie about what she’s doing.
Still can’t stand this version of her. But I will admit she was a breath of fresh air while everyone’s horrible families were visiting.
MR. WILLIS:
I know the character has just recently been introduced and is no longer a student, but would you consider adding Joshua to future fav. character polls?
Any other support for this, guys?
Why would Jocelyne appear when the poll is for favourite undergrad? A bunch of actual undergrads didn’t even make it.
Jocelyn isn’t an undergrad and so she won’t be in the undergrad poll.
Ruth and Billie are the one of the weirdest love stories. I hope it has a happy ending :p .
Awww… She does care!
For a second, I thought the marks on Billie’s back were claw marks. I didn’t think it was weird until I realized there was a very low chance she fought a tiger between her room and Ruth’s.
It’s Dina’s version of foreplay.
5 days? Feels more like 5 months for some reason…
Was I the only one who saw the title and expected that we’d see Joyce saying something funny?
I believe this is an excellent time for hatefucks.
The most epic of them.
Do you think there’s enough hate at the moment? Not that I don’t want them to, I do.
Uoumight have to settle for drunk-fucks.