So, somewhere out there, there’s a person out there who gets turned on by: A homicidal clown with a chainsaw, a homicidal Ronald McDonald, an army of cyborg zombies, a soul-sucking Lovecraftian horror disguised as a little girl and a mutant super-dog just to name a few?
Walky sees now that this is temporary. As such, he must suffer through this, because he likes her company for the most part. Out of spite, he will wear hoodies, get nachitos all over the front, and long for the woman that wants to lick that off of his shirt.
nah these two both went into this knowing it would probably only be temporary. walky has mentioned he is willing to just enjoy the present. Danny just wasn’t able to accept that she would be leaving.
I dunno if she ever made it clear to Danny that things would be temporary. Saying “Joe knew” also isn’t an indication, since he could’ve just seen the signs that she was starting to want something (or someone) different. My guess is that she never flat-out stated it until she broke up with Danny, but that she hinted it might not be permanent and he was just too focused on his future with her to get the hints.
I have to agree with Walky here, which is a rare thing. Hoodies are the be all and end all of fashion. Along with fedoras. I love my fedoras and hoodies.
No one ever said you couldn’t have fun with the rebound guy, but if you dump someone and soon afterwards, go out with someone knowing that you will leave him for someone else, that pretty much equates to rebound guy in my books.
If you have yet to realize that Dorothy plans to leave this school and go to Yale and that is why her relationship with Walky is a Temporary Fun Thing For Now then I don’t even know, man. I just don’t even know.
It’s not a thing in my mind, though I can’t speak for anyone else. Just because she said it early on doesn’t mean it’s not her way of rationalizing the idea of dating someone to assuage her own feelings.
I’m not saying relationships can’t have an indeterminate clock on them from the start, I’m just saying there is a difference between dating someone and knowing that you’ll break up at some point in the future due to circumstances, and dating someone to feel better and conveniently having a reason to back out later.
We are also discussing psychology of a character. While what is being presented to us shows us classic signs of denial and just means to an end mentality, there is the potential she has looked at it all as a way to get her release she needs from stress in the form of a person, rather than a toy. Though it is less common, this is a possibility, and shows cold rationalization not dissimilar to Brennan from Bones.
She may get to a point where she would rather stay with Walky because she has developed deeper feelings is another story. This is a topic for another time, as currently there are no signs of such a mentality present at this time.
One of these days, I will be able to write a woman who wants a relationship without necessarily wanting it to end in marriage because she has bigger priorities without everyone trying to claim she doesn’t really mean that. This is not yet one of those days.
Who is claiming she doesn’t really mean that? seriously, you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying. I get it if you’re sensitive to guys being chauvinistic, but that’s not even what I’m talking about. Trust me, I’m about as far from the asinine “women belong in the kitchen” shit as possible for a straight guy.
What is it that’s got you hung up on what I’m saying? I’d really prefer not to screw the pooch in front of the author of my favorite webcomic, so I’m hoping I might be able to clarify somehow.
What I don’t understand is why it has to have a planned end at all, whether that is “leaving for Yale” or “marriage”. Why not just see where it goes? They both presumably _live_ in Indiana, so it’s not like they wouldn’t be able to see each other during the summer. Which, you know, kind of applies to Danny too, but Danny was kind of a clingy jerk.
At the risk of intruding on other’s conversation or misconstruing intent, I think the two camps are arguing on different planes. Willis is arguing Dotty isn’t acting in bad faith, and stated numerous times this is for fun; prior commenters are arguing this relationship is on a core level not serious. Not “truwe lub,” so to speak. A rebound. No Strings Attached. Some other movie reference. The problem here is that there isn’t a problem. Walky is clearly more attached, but he knows the score. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t a rebound, and its perfectly possible for both parties to know they’ve constructed a rebound and not have somebody be General break-hearter. Everyone’s cool here, unless Walky let’s himself get too attached. Which may have already happened, honestly, but hey.
Why can’t someone have everything? Also, what is a bigger priority than marriage? Is there really some objective standard? Is being president really ‘bigger’ than marrying the person you love?
As a woman who refused–despite serious social pressures–to give up her dreams when she got married, I don’t think your language is terribly egalitarian. Being president isn’t ‘bigger things.’ There isn’t an objective ‘career’ standard that makes some careers more valuable than others. And it’s possible to have both.
If an individual decides for themselves that being President is more important than who or if they marry, then, yes, that is “bigger” than marrying the person he or she loves. Who are you to tell them it’s not?
Okay, I guess the difference is that in my experience/observations, dating someone immediately after someone else never works out. Usually it results in dating someone you wouldn’t otherwise, or screwing things up because your mindset hasn’t entirely switched over from one person to the other. Hence why my head-canon suggests it’s a rebound.
I’m not trying to suggest that she doesn’t intend to or shouldn’t go to Yale given the choice. What I am saying is that the rationalization is that, since the relationship had a clock on it from the beginning, if she ended up realizing she doesn’t like or just doesn’t want to date Walky at all, it would make it easier to break up with him.
Well I think Plasma was prolly being facetious, but even though I agree with you, seems like a rebound to me. I mean, I don’t think anybody can walk away from a long term relationship like that without some resentment, and Dorothy was clearly pretty pissed when she and Danny split.
According to my book at least, the rebound is the one you date for a while after you get out of a serious relationship, the issue of if both parties knew it going into the rebound relationship or not, Walky/Dotty fits my definition pretty well.
I’m guessing that Willis’ definition of rebound varies in some way and from his viewpoint, Walky/Dotty doesn’t fit within his parameters of the term rebound.
Generally, and this is from my perspective, rebound guys are defined as rather short flings, lasting from a night, to at most a few months. This does not fit that. Different for everyone though.
When someone’s “on the rebound,” the person they are dating is an emotional crutch to help them get over a bad breakup that’s hurting them. (Hence the name — it’s what you go through before “bouncing back.”) Such relationships being short and doomed is an effect of being on the rebound and not the nature of the relationship itself.
As the person who broke up with Danny (after obviously being quite over him for some time), it’s pretty hard to swallow that Dorothy is on the rebound. Danny and Amber, I could maybe buy, but not Dorothy and Walky.
I sometimes talk that way, too, so I can’t point many fingers. But there is often so much of this kind of talk from many different people in these comments that it can be overwhelming. Sorry for singling you out.
I was aiming more at a used condom than a tissue. Is it perfect? No, but neither is sloppy seconds, or any other term attempting to describe a woman who isn’t a virgin.
well it could easily have been misogynistic depending on tone and things that text alone does not convey. I give people the benefit of the doubt since it’s the internet, but clearly you weren’t anyway.
Sometimes we can say bad things without realizing it just because it’s been programmed into us, not because we believe the implications of what we’re saying. That you were primarily worried you were saying bad things over being concerned with being “called out” puts you in the category of good human beings.
Hell, most of the time I’m not even in that category, so you have my respect.
Hoodies are good, but maybe another shirt in the closet that is not one…just to be different? Hung up over the real shoes.
Dorothy has never ever let any guy (in this universe) think it’s permanent, as far as I can remember. She made it pretty clear to Danny that he had followed her to school and that she knew he had no clear plans to continue his education further that that school, and she did. Period end of story.
She just told Walky same thing-more or less, and he accepts it because he dosn’t want permanent either.
So, Walky, get another shirt and real shoes, it’ll be a growing experience for you. And make her feel better too.
If she were insisting he dress nicely all the time I’d completely agree, but it seems that she’s trying to set him up with a knock out outfit. Useful for jobs, going on the pull, meeting people’s parents, and nicer dates with her.
He doesn’t have to wear it, but he’s got a reference that he knows that someone who fancies him thinks he looks awesome in.
Two people can enter a relationship expecting it to be temporary, but it’s entirely possible and likely common that at least of them is hoping for more. Being reminded of it directly like that kind of hurts given Walky actually likes her. I mean, he threw his toy at her. That’s love.
That may be exactly why she’s reminding him of it–not to hurt him, but to make sure he is not entertaining false hopes. She let Danny do that because she didn’t want to hurt his feelings; she’s not going to make that mistake twice.
That is what Dorothy’s trying to do. What I’m curious about is whether or not Walky will heed her words. I’m on the fence as to whether he will or not. Dorothy is handling that the best she can, making sure she’s vocal, but it may still end badly. Can’t really blame Dotty on that because she was honest and up front about it, BUT… if it’s clear that Walky still isn’t listening, I hope she ends it sooner rather than later. If it’s not ’til later and she throws up “well, you knew what this was,” the reminders won’t mean much. Someone that smart ought to know better. It’s still possible to be technically right all the way through something and yet still be wrong/feel bad. Or *thought* of as wrong anyway. It sometimes sucks to be the person more on the ball in these things. I’m not banking on Walky to take it well, but we’ll see.
Walky will thank her dragging him out for new clothes that make him look nice when it gets him more ladies, though. I remember being that resistant to such things back when I was his age. Every girl’s crazy for a sharp-dressed man, after all. ::guitar riff::
It’s fine to move people out of their comfort zones, especially if their comfort zone is “I’ve always been sloppy because being not sloppy implies responsibility”. Like him or no, Walky’s an immature slob.
We should of all gotten the “What the author intended and what you may have interpreted in a piece of fiction can and will be different.” Talk from our English teachers at some point. If not;there ya go :P.
Could be a mix of projection or naive romanticism but your view misaligned with the authors. Tough, just be content that the author cares enough to interpret his vision for you.
Just everything he *wears* is wrong. And “better than I found it” makes it about him, not the clothes. He, the person, is her fixer-upper.
And she *has* threatened to withhold sex from him – or rather the slightly less evil ploy, break up with him, unless he conformed to her Ken doll. At that point he did what I consider the right thing: tell her forget it.
IMHO, he should do the same thing here. “Dot, I don’t want to have to put up a costume to get a girl; I want somewhat who likes me. So you can waste our time buying this stuff, but I’ll leave the bags in your room. Now can we get back to the shoes? They’re why we’re actually here, you know. And when considering between laces and velcro, ask yourself how they’ll look perpetually untied.”
It also applies to relationships in which there is a difference in experience. Dotty has a good deal more experience than Walky. Wanting to leave him with a better chance of keeping company beyond his own right hand when she is gone is considerate and thoughtful.
(generic) You are not a special special snowflake. You are not perfect just the way you are. Your farts don’t smell like Chanel No. 5. And anyone who has led you to believe that any of this is the case has done you a tremendous disservice. We can all be better people. Each of us has tons of room for improvement. And those of us who are adults recognize this and rely on our partners to help us continue to grow rather than demanding that they encourage us to stagnate.
Additionally, all of this nonsense about your clothes being who you are is just silly. Sure, he likes to wear sweatshirts. And that’s okay. But the clothes she is picking out for him appeal to her. So why is it okay for a man to expect his partner to dress in a way that he finds enticing (see the lingerie business for proof of concept) but it’s unconscionable for a woman to have similar expectations?
There’s also the matter of his DEMONSTRATED fear of growing up. Also he has those insecurity issues, so how could dotty call herself a friend if she doesn’t try to show him his faults? Of coarse, she could just be shallow and I way off base.
But with regards to her leaving him over the pajama jeans; he also left HER over said jeans. He was herting her socially and knew it. He left her for expecting ANYTHING from him. That was selfishness on his part.
The way you present and twist all this as well as your utterly arbitrary and one sided relationship rules makes me REALLY glad not to be your significant other.
If Dorothy leaves men better than she finds them, Danny must have been a sniveling wretch when she met him. In which case, how was she ever attracted to him to begin with?
Walky, there’s no problem with the majority of one’s wardrobe being a type of outfit you enjoy to wear. But it’s not the end of the world to wear something else from time to time – especially if it’ll “clean you up”.
I love women in hoodies, but for a while I was worried that no one else shared my “fetish”. Thanks Walky, now I can come out of the hoodie closet, which really isnt much of an announcement since the closet ais where you store your hoodies, but you get the idea.
Okay, Dorothy this is not cool. I do not think it is good of you to be picking out clothes for Walkie and subtlety insulting him when you are not serious about him. OKay I get it you want him to grow up and look decent and not make you look bad in public by being an immature childish slob. And your intentions of helping him see that adulthood and cleaning up will not make him a boring granddad. But this smacks a bit of controlling. The way you said “I might have you try on some nicer shirts.” The “I always leave things better than I found them.” Maybe it’s just the youth of the characters. I think she could have been more tactful.
“Hey, Walky. Why don’t you try on this shirt for me. I think it’s nice. Do you like it? I bet the next girl you find when I go to Yale will think you’re hot in it.” Or maybe “I bet lots of girls will be after you if you wore this when I go to Yale.”
I kind of wish these two do hook up after college & get hitched.
Not because you should only date to get married & be all serious (though that is an awesome option), but because I firmly think Walky would make a great First Lady when Dorothy becomes President.
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But the sex will be twice as kinky.
well, at least it’ll be warmer, as walky will get to keep his hoodie on.
If it includes leather, handcuffs, glasses, leotard and lots of oil.
umm, leotard + oil?
I’ll just skip the rest and have lots of oil.
I have my reasons.
Well, if leotards are your kink …
I have other kinks but I’m already dug myself deep.
Not deep enough, yet.
If you can point me to your blog/newsletter, I would like to read more.
^ Perfect gravatar.
So…vanilla.
I bet there is a such thing as a hoodie fetish
I would guarantee it. You name it, there is a fetishist for it. Human neurosis knows no limits.
Neurosis? I would hardly call it neurotic.
definitely erotic though
C: Jokes.
Every Fetish exists. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
A fetish for fetishes.
Ohh, you like people with fetishes? I find that.. sexy
It’s a Fetish about a Fetish,
Fetishception.
I have a fetish for whatever is NOT on your list of fetishes. … Think about that one for a while.
Nice XKCD reference.
Isn’t that Mike’s fetish?
Actually, think that one would be Douglas Hofstadter’s fetish, by way of Kurt Gödel.
Russell’s Fetish, surely?
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Woah. Ok. Note to self. Maxi Fuck Up is a little TOO intense
That’s actually one of the names they kicked around for the annual fetish convention.
We need to go DEEPER.
Inception fetishists are very similar to threesomes, in a way.
A Fetish for Boba/Jango Fett. A “Fettish”, if you will.
I have the best fetish of all!!! Femur Fetish!!!
Rule 36: If it exists, someone will have a fetish for it. No exceptions.
Even if it includes the stuff from my nightmares?
Yes. ESPECIALLY those.
So, somewhere out there, there’s a person out there who gets turned on by: A homicidal clown with a chainsaw, a homicidal Ronald McDonald, an army of cyborg zombies, a soul-sucking Lovecraftian horror disguised as a little girl and a mutant super-dog just to name a few?
Yes. Separately, perhaps, but yes.
Isn’t that 4th one a light novel/anime?
I forking loved that anime. ^_^
There’s definitely more than one of the 4th one.
You will find, if you dig enough time in DeviantArt.
Fetish Felix: I Can Fap It!
“I can fixate on it!”
There probably wasn’t… until Willis posted this comic. Then a community sprung forth, fully formed, from the mists of teh Intarwebs.
It’s how the internet works. Really.
*goes to design a tuxedo hoodie*
Tuxedo Hoodie, Tuxedo Mask’s little brother.
Tuxedo Hoodie, Tuxedo Mask’s ’emo’ phase.
Wilted rose or corpse flower?
obviously corpse flower. nothing is more misunderstood.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/110615129/tuxedo-hoodie-hand-screen-printed
like this?
I think Joyce would rather have her caramel unwrapped Walky.
Hoodie fetishist? Well there are high-class ladies who have a thing for lorry-drivers, so you might get lucky Walky.
might? if some high-class ladies like that, I can guarantee you someone will like what he’s got going for him. ‘dirty, dirty boy!’
They will squee their panties off when they witness Walky with some McNuggets.
Yeah, that’s just as likely as finding ladies who think I’m good looking.
well without context that is neither funny nor sad
just awkward
*awkward turtle*
^ dat name
+1 for portal
Walky sees now that this is temporary. As such, he must suffer through this, because he likes her company for the most part. Out of spite, he will wear hoodies, get nachitos all over the front, and long for the woman that wants to lick that off of his shirt.
I like hoodies! They’re comfortable and easy to wear!
Sounds like Walky could be your ideal bromanctic lead.
So, you’re a hoodied version of Youngster.
I was wondering why that comment made me think of shorts…
And my shoes were different from these other shoes… it’s like my shoes were in the top percentage of shoes.
Whoops. Dropped my McNuggets.
Nooooo!!! Not the McNuggets!
…
You gonna eat that?
You’re not wearing a hoodie! What’s wrong with you?
Your name wouldn’t happen to be Gary would it?
obviously his name is Joey.
Geeze they’ve just started dating and Dotty’s already thinking of a way out. – I see this ending the same way it did with Danny.
nah these two both went into this knowing it would probably only be temporary. walky has mentioned he is willing to just enjoy the present. Danny just wasn’t able to accept that she would be leaving.
did she even really tell Danny that was the plan?
I’d guess so since Joe knew and dorothy hasn’t made any secret of her plans to anyone.
I dunno if she ever made it clear to Danny that things would be temporary. Saying “Joe knew” also isn’t an indication, since he could’ve just seen the signs that she was starting to want something (or someone) different. My guess is that she never flat-out stated it until she broke up with Danny, but that she hinted it might not be permanent and he was just too focused on his future with her to get the hints.
I don’t see this as her thinking of a way out, so much as trying to remind both Walky *and* herself that it’s not supposed to be a permanent thing.
awww he chose his words carfuly
Carfully? That’s a weird choice.
I have to agree with Walky here, which is a rare thing. Hoodies are the be all and end all of fashion. Along with fedoras. I love my fedoras and hoodies.
Invent a hoodie where the hood is a fedora.
A fedora that releases a hoodie for stealth-following.
Preliminary research indicates that wearing something like that would increase your face’s punchability index by 100%.
There’s a Perry the Platypus hoodie that comes with a fedora.
http://www.disneystore.com/fleece-outerwear-clothes-phineas-and-ferb-zip-fleece-agent-p-costume-hoodie-for-boys/mp/1316087/1000219/?CMP=KNC-DSSGoogle
Think about it this way Walky- the more clothes you have, the longer you get to go before you have to do laundry.
Hoodies? Seriously? What are you, a criminal? Oh god, I sound like my father.
is your father that dude from Florida?
So Walky is just the rebound guy for Dotty.
….i …. i really think you can have a relationship for fun and know it has an endpoint without it being a “rebound.”
i really really really do
No one ever said you couldn’t have fun with the rebound guy, but if you dump someone and soon afterwards, go out with someone knowing that you will leave him for someone else, that pretty much equates to rebound guy in my books.
If you have yet to realize that Dorothy plans to leave this school and go to Yale and that is why her relationship with Walky is a Temporary Fun Thing For Now then I don’t even know, man. I just don’t even know.
do you read this strip
sure, but that’s just it, that’s her rationalization
w/e though. not going to argue with Willis.
“We are doing this until I leave” was one of the first stated terms of their relationship: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/03-the-first-step-towards-recovery/planning/
I have no idea how “oh my god she’s planning to ditch him” is suddenly a thing NOW.
It’s not a thing in my mind, though I can’t speak for anyone else. Just because she said it early on doesn’t mean it’s not her way of rationalizing the idea of dating someone to assuage her own feelings.
I’m not saying relationships can’t have an indeterminate clock on them from the start, I’m just saying there is a difference between dating someone and knowing that you’ll break up at some point in the future due to circumstances, and dating someone to feel better and conveniently having a reason to back out later.
We are also discussing psychology of a character. While what is being presented to us shows us classic signs of denial and just means to an end mentality, there is the potential she has looked at it all as a way to get her release she needs from stress in the form of a person, rather than a toy. Though it is less common, this is a possibility, and shows cold rationalization not dissimilar to Brennan from Bones.
She may get to a point where she would rather stay with Walky because she has developed deeper feelings is another story. This is a topic for another time, as currently there are no signs of such a mentality present at this time.
One of these days, I will be able to write a woman who wants a relationship without necessarily wanting it to end in marriage because she has bigger priorities without everyone trying to claim she doesn’t really mean that. This is not yet one of those days.
Who is claiming she doesn’t really mean that? seriously, you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying. I get it if you’re sensitive to guys being chauvinistic, but that’s not even what I’m talking about. Trust me, I’m about as far from the asinine “women belong in the kitchen” shit as possible for a straight guy.
What is it that’s got you hung up on what I’m saying? I’d really prefer not to screw the pooch in front of the author of my favorite webcomic, so I’m hoping I might be able to clarify somehow.
It is probably the word “rationalization,” suggesting she doesn’t really mean what she thinks she means.
What I don’t understand is why it has to have a planned end at all, whether that is “leaving for Yale” or “marriage”. Why not just see where it goes? They both presumably _live_ in Indiana, so it’s not like they wouldn’t be able to see each other during the summer. Which, you know, kind of applies to Danny too, but Danny was kind of a clingy jerk.
I’m sure that with lots of time, effort and a steady supply of Toblerones, you will achieve your goal. 😀
At the risk of intruding on other’s conversation or misconstruing intent, I think the two camps are arguing on different planes. Willis is arguing Dotty isn’t acting in bad faith, and stated numerous times this is for fun; prior commenters are arguing this relationship is on a core level not serious. Not “truwe lub,” so to speak. A rebound. No Strings Attached. Some other movie reference. The problem here is that there isn’t a problem. Walky is clearly more attached, but he knows the score. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t a rebound, and its perfectly possible for both parties to know they’ve constructed a rebound and not have somebody be General break-hearter. Everyone’s cool here, unless Walky let’s himself get too attached. Which may have already happened, honestly, but hey.
Given that Walky has let this farce continue this long (ie: several seconds) I’d say it’s a good bet that he’s already become too attached.
Why can’t someone have everything? Also, what is a bigger priority than marriage? Is there really some objective standard? Is being president really ‘bigger’ than marrying the person you love?
As a woman who refused–despite serious social pressures–to give up her dreams when she got married, I don’t think your language is terribly egalitarian. Being president isn’t ‘bigger things.’ There isn’t an objective ‘career’ standard that makes some careers more valuable than others. And it’s possible to have both.
If an individual decides for themselves that being President is more important than who or if they marry, then, yes, that is “bigger” than marrying the person he or she loves. Who are you to tell them it’s not?
@Willis
Okay, I guess the difference is that in my experience/observations, dating someone immediately after someone else never works out. Usually it results in dating someone you wouldn’t otherwise, or screwing things up because your mindset hasn’t entirely switched over from one person to the other. Hence why my head-canon suggests it’s a rebound.
I’m not trying to suggest that she doesn’t intend to or shouldn’t go to Yale given the choice. What I am saying is that the rationalization is that, since the relationship had a clock on it from the beginning, if she ended up realizing she doesn’t like or just doesn’t want to date Walky at all, it would make it easier to break up with him.
Well I think Plasma was prolly being facetious, but even though I agree with you, seems like a rebound to me. I mean, I don’t think anybody can walk away from a long term relationship like that without some resentment, and Dorothy was clearly pretty pissed when she and Danny split.
According to my book at least, the rebound is the one you date for a while after you get out of a serious relationship, the issue of if both parties knew it going into the rebound relationship or not, Walky/Dotty fits my definition pretty well.
I’m guessing that Willis’ definition of rebound varies in some way and from his viewpoint, Walky/Dotty doesn’t fit within his parameters of the term rebound.
Generally, and this is from my perspective, rebound guys are defined as rather short flings, lasting from a night, to at most a few months. This does not fit that. Different for everyone though.
Keep in mind: for us it has been years. For them it has been weeks.
But you’re right that this isn’t a fling. For Dorothy, at least, it’s calculated. Preplanned and scheduled, and all that good romantic stuff.
When someone’s “on the rebound,” the person they are dating is an emotional crutch to help them get over a bad breakup that’s hurting them. (Hence the name — it’s what you go through before “bouncing back.”) Such relationships being short and doomed is an effect of being on the rebound and not the nature of the relationship itself.
As the person who broke up with Danny (after obviously being quite over him for some time), it’s pretty hard to swallow that Dorothy is on the rebound. Danny and Amber, I could maybe buy, but not Dorothy and Walky.
So, whoever gets Dotty got Walky’s seconds?
Sloppy seconds and when Walky is involved, sloppy is the key word there. 😀
I always enjoy language that depicts women as diminished resources!
I am very sorry for that. You will hear the last of that, I assure you.
I sometimes talk that way, too, so I can’t point many fingers. But there is often so much of this kind of talk from many different people in these comments that it can be overwhelming. Sorry for singling you out.
Don’t worry, there’s always ‘oh, no, he’s already been whittled down. He’s not a fresh piece of wood to do as I please with’
I don’t think those two turns of phrase are analogous. It’s the difference between a finished work of art and a used tissue.
I was aiming more at a used condom than a tissue. Is it perfect? No, but neither is sloppy seconds, or any other term attempting to describe a woman who isn’t a virgin.
Me, when I see a chance to use a pun, I will use it, it’s my ninja creed. 😛
That’s an… interesting analogy.
Whoever gets Walky Gets Dotty’s Sloppy Ex?
Why is it that every time I find myself reading one of your comments, you’re being sardonic or cantankerous?
I get it, I mean, I’m not saying misogyny is okay, but you’re really looking for a fight here. It’s like asking for someone to troll you.
That’s what I sound like? I didn’t know I was being misogynistic.
well it could easily have been misogynistic depending on tone and things that text alone does not convey. I give people the benefit of the doubt since it’s the internet, but clearly you weren’t anyway.
Well, most of the time my comments are more self-depreciating in nature and some of them are just my lame attempt of being funny.
pfff
same here bro.
cheers 🙂
Sometimes we can say bad things without realizing it just because it’s been programmed into us, not because we believe the implications of what we’re saying. That you were primarily worried you were saying bad things over being concerned with being “called out” puts you in the category of good human beings.
Hell, most of the time I’m not even in that category, so you have my respect.
Life is entropy
We diminished resources
Dating speeds it up
I also have no idea why this part of the comments thread elicited this response.
I like hoodies! They’re comfy and easy to wear!
Hoodies are good, but maybe another shirt in the closet that is not one…just to be different? Hung up over the real shoes.
Dorothy has never ever let any guy (in this universe) think it’s permanent, as far as I can remember. She made it pretty clear to Danny that he had followed her to school and that she knew he had no clear plans to continue his education further that that school, and she did. Period end of story.
She just told Walky same thing-more or less, and he accepts it because he dosn’t want permanent either.
So, Walky, get another shirt and real shoes, it’ll be a growing experience for you. And make her feel better too.
At least they both want the same thing it appears. Just some friendship and fun.
Funny, I don’t get the impression that Walky wants a dolly to dress up.
(Maybe to *undress*, but that’s different, and Dorothy likes that too. More explicitly.)
that is one big fucking smile in panel three, dorothy
She’s become a Pac-Woman.
…
I need brain bleach. That’s fucking terrifying
All she needs now is a red bowtie on top of her head.
Nay, ’tis a normal smile.
Yo, Dorothy is finna hurt some feelings real quick if she keeps talkin about leavin.
Well, that escalated quick.
And the ‘g’s were the first casualties. Only one survived, and it’s bleeding out.
In their memory I shall lay flowers at their ravestones.
So, she basically just told him this was temporary… But yet she’s still trying to change him. He’s not your Ken doll, Dorothy. =P
Right. For one thing, people actually like Walky.
If she were insisting he dress nicely all the time I’d completely agree, but it seems that she’s trying to set him up with a knock out outfit. Useful for jobs, going on the pull, meeting people’s parents, and nicer dates with her.
He doesn’t have to wear it, but he’s got a reference that he knows that someone who fancies him thinks he looks awesome in.
Dorothy. Don’t try to change him for somebody else. Let the boy wear his hoodies and velcro shoes!
Yeah! Be like Drew! Drew is awesome. He’s a lich, and doesn’t afraid of nobody!
Two people can enter a relationship expecting it to be temporary, but it’s entirely possible and likely common that at least of them is hoping for more. Being reminded of it directly like that kind of hurts given Walky actually likes her. I mean, he threw his toy at her. That’s love.
That may be exactly why she’s reminding him of it–not to hurt him, but to make sure he is not entertaining false hopes. She let Danny do that because she didn’t want to hurt his feelings; she’s not going to make that mistake twice.
Greenygal understands!
What do you know? They’re going to be forever together ever-dever-fever… something. Maybe Denver, or Colorado.
Indi-ana-for-eva
That is what Dorothy’s trying to do. What I’m curious about is whether or not Walky will heed her words. I’m on the fence as to whether he will or not. Dorothy is handling that the best she can, making sure she’s vocal, but it may still end badly. Can’t really blame Dotty on that because she was honest and up front about it, BUT… if it’s clear that Walky still isn’t listening, I hope she ends it sooner rather than later. If it’s not ’til later and she throws up “well, you knew what this was,” the reminders won’t mean much. Someone that smart ought to know better. It’s still possible to be technically right all the way through something and yet still be wrong/feel bad. Or *thought* of as wrong anyway. It sometimes sucks to be the person more on the ball in these things. I’m not banking on Walky to take it well, but we’ll see.
Walky will thank her dragging him out for new clothes that make him look nice when it gets him more ladies, though. I remember being that resistant to such things back when I was his age. Every girl’s crazy for a sharp-dressed man, after all. ::guitar riff::
It’s fine to move people out of their comfort zones, especially if their comfort zone is “I’ve always been sloppy because being not sloppy implies responsibility”. Like him or no, Walky’s an immature slob.
I agree.
We should of all gotten the “What the author intended and what you may have interpreted in a piece of fiction can and will be different.” Talk from our English teachers at some point. If not;there ya go :P.
Could be a mix of projection or naive romanticism but your view misaligned with the authors. Tough, just be content that the author cares enough to interpret his vision for you.
God my prose is awful, sorry ><
I don’t think Walky is going to Yale.
oh my god that’s a thing isn’t it
“Stop trying to change him”
Jesus, she’s making a suggestion about getting clothes, not threatening to withhold sex until he does or telling him everything about him is wrong.
Just everything he *wears* is wrong. And “better than I found it” makes it about him, not the clothes. He, the person, is her fixer-upper.
And she *has* threatened to withhold sex from him – or rather the slightly less evil ploy, break up with him, unless he conformed to her Ken doll. At that point he did what I consider the right thing: tell her forget it.
IMHO, he should do the same thing here. “Dot, I don’t want to have to put up a costume to get a girl; I want somewhat who likes me. So you can waste our time buying this stuff, but I’ll leave the bags in your room. Now can we get back to the shoes? They’re why we’re actually here, you know. And when considering between laces and velcro, ask yourself how they’ll look perpetually untied.”
I really wish I had a WordPress plugin that keeps certain folks from posting on comics that feature certain characters.
Campsite Rule.
Google it.
It also applies to relationships in which there is a difference in experience. Dotty has a good deal more experience than Walky. Wanting to leave him with a better chance of keeping company beyond his own right hand when she is gone is considerate and thoughtful.
(generic) You are not a special special snowflake. You are not perfect just the way you are. Your farts don’t smell like Chanel No. 5. And anyone who has led you to believe that any of this is the case has done you a tremendous disservice. We can all be better people. Each of us has tons of room for improvement. And those of us who are adults recognize this and rely on our partners to help us continue to grow rather than demanding that they encourage us to stagnate.
Additionally, all of this nonsense about your clothes being who you are is just silly. Sure, he likes to wear sweatshirts. And that’s okay. But the clothes she is picking out for him appeal to her. So why is it okay for a man to expect his partner to dress in a way that he finds enticing (see the lingerie business for proof of concept) but it’s unconscionable for a woman to have similar expectations?
There’s also the matter of his DEMONSTRATED fear of growing up. Also he has those insecurity issues, so how could dotty call herself a friend if she doesn’t try to show him his faults? Of coarse, she could just be shallow and I way off base.
But with regards to her leaving him over the pajama jeans; he also left HER over said jeans. He was herting her socially and knew it. He left her for expecting ANYTHING from him. That was selfishness on his part.
The way you present and twist all this as well as your utterly arbitrary and one sided relationship rules makes me REALLY glad not to be your significant other.
If Dorothy leaves men better than she finds them, Danny must have been a sniveling wretch when she met him. In which case, how was she ever attracted to him to begin with?
It seems Dorothy has never been camping.
Walky, there’s no problem with the majority of one’s wardrobe being a type of outfit you enjoy to wear. But it’s not the end of the world to wear something else from time to time – especially if it’ll “clean you up”.
Women, please don’t try to change a guy’s wardrobe unless he asks you for advice first. Trying to force a change will only annoy him.
I love women in hoodies, but for a while I was worried that no one else shared my “fetish”. Thanks Walky, now I can come out of the hoodie closet, which really isnt much of an announcement since the closet ais where you store your hoodies, but you get the idea.
Okay, Dorothy this is not cool. I do not think it is good of you to be picking out clothes for Walkie and subtlety insulting him when you are not serious about him. OKay I get it you want him to grow up and look decent and not make you look bad in public by being an immature childish slob. And your intentions of helping him see that adulthood and cleaning up will not make him a boring granddad. But this smacks a bit of controlling. The way you said “I might have you try on some nicer shirts.” The “I always leave things better than I found them.” Maybe it’s just the youth of the characters. I think she could have been more tactful.
“Hey, Walky. Why don’t you try on this shirt for me. I think it’s nice. Do you like it? I bet the next girl you find when I go to Yale will think you’re hot in it.” Or maybe “I bet lots of girls will be after you if you wore this when I go to Yale.”
Please tell me we’re working up to a repeat of the “Windsor Nazis” line…
But..but…hoodies are perfect!!!
Also Willis, this may be my favorite relationship you’ve ever written and thats saying a lot.
I like Hoodies! They’re Comfortable, and Easy to Wear!
I kind of wish these two do hook up after college & get hitched.
Not because you should only date to get married & be all serious (though that is an awesome option), but because I firmly think Walky would make a great First Lady when Dorothy becomes President.
I have a hoodie fetish! D:
Joyce & Walky! And hoodie dresses!