I know they aren’t white, but I don’t understand how anyone could *ever* mistake them as while. I guess it’s… Billy being irrational and judgemental again?
I think of examples like Vin Desiel and The Rock. To a lesser extent, Jessica Alba. You could mistake them for a lot of different ethnic backgrounds. One of my favorite actors is Erick Avari, who’s ethnicity changes from movie to movie.
I get asked my ethnicity pretty much all the time and I have a non-Mediterranean European background. It’s because I tan well. :DMy skin color has been deemed “faux brown”.
Simple: their bodies are largely the same (save perhaps for Martian tampering). This includes ancestry/ethnicity. The unfolding of their lives is all that is different.
I always figured Hispanic, like Robin; perhaps specifically Mexican, as most Mexicans I’ve met have darker skin.
Robin’s skin is a lighter shade, so I actually had her figured for Caucasian for a very long time. Hispanic ancestry is much more defined by facial structure than skin color, and Willis does many things very well, but distinguishing Robin as Hispanic by her facial structure isn’t one of them… or at least I was able to miss it.
When drawing facial structures you have to be careful not to be overly characteristic less you offend someone of that background, besides when you break it down, there is not a whole lot of difference between
a lot of our so called races or nationalities when it comes to facial structures
Grah, I forgot about the Martians in the Walkyverse for a moment there… though to be fair, we’ve never seen their faces or been told their exact origins, have we?
It is amazing what one can do with modern prosthetic techniques and access to various walk-in shops for such. So would they be crocheted or injection molded?
That’s what the library, and headphones, are for. Because one can then laugh their asses off at the people stumbling around with hangovers and who are wasting their time and mommy and daddy’s monies.
Which is funny since Joyce is remarkably She identifie Amazi-Girl’s skin color even after seeing her briefly after getting ruffied. Billie got to see her stone cold sober.
Not racist, just privileged and sheltered. Which, uh, isn’t all that unfair an accusation. Joyce probably would assume Amazi-Girl was white, even if she didn’t actually know.
I really don’t think Joyce is THAT bad. Would have have assumed that she was white? Probably. She wouldn’t have gotten herself set enough on that idea to make it a distinguishing feature though.
I know I’m not a philosophy major or a logician or anything like that, but that does not follow any kind of logic whatsoever. Except maybe Drunk Logic.
The problem with her statement isn’t in her logical reasoning. After all IF Amazi-Girl is Sal then Joyce would be mistaken. The fallacy is that she uses the conclusion that Amazi-Girl is Sal to dispute evidence contrary to that same conclusion.
So in other words it follows logic, just bad logic.
Sorry, that was a bit unnecessary, but as one of those Philosophy Majors/Logicians I don’t get to use my skillz very often.
Im beginning to think that if she pasted a note on her back and took out an ad in the school paper, half of the dorm would still not know who Amazi Girl is.
Of course not. Amazi-Girl wears a cape, so you can’t see her back, and Amber (who, I admit, is only my way out there guess – personally I think it’s more likely to be that completely nonthreatening man a few strips back) spends all her time inside playing WoW or a similar MMOG.
And nobody really reads the school paper. It’s just cheaper than traditional toilet paper.
I don’t get it (so far) because Joyce was drugged out of her mind when she saw Amazi-girl while Billie was just kinda drunk. How did Joyce see the whiteness but not Billie?
Eh, it will probably get explained very soon.
Well, there’s always the possibility that Billie is just kind of dumb. Which the evidence seems to support. Was she drunk enough to not be able to remember? Certainly doesn’t seem likely. But that doesn’t mean she had the sense to pay attention to silly little details like a superhero in front of her.
This is a good point – forget being drugged out of her mind, Joyce has amnesia about the entire time she was drugged. How could she possibly remember Amazi-Girl?
If Billy’s actually taking classes (99% sure), good luck, because that’s some prejudiced stuff she’s slinging. Christians are racist automatically? I’m not a Joyce fanboy, but seriously, that’s not cool, though even I don’t believe bigoted, arrogant (for almost no reason) people like Billy don’t exist.
I don’t think that’s what she’s saying. I think she means that Joyce was brought up surrounded by white people and therefore assumes people are white by default. She’s accusing Joyce of making a mistake based on her upbringing rather than being racist. Wouldn’t a racist person be MORE likely to notice colour differences?
Honestly, I know Joyce doesn’t mean anything racial abut it (after all, Amazi-Girl does appear to be white), her past remarks regarding… ANYTHING would probably provoke that response easy enough.
New question though… How did Joyce get into Billie’s room? Does she and Sal just leave the main door or bathroom door unlocked, or is their no lock on the bathroom door, or is Joyce just a secret Christian Ninja-Master? I can’t recall if the door situation was explained in that regard.
And while sane people would probably lock the bathroom door to keep out the horror that is Morning!Joyce, the occupants of Billie’s room tend to be drunk or absent, and are possibly slower to react or respond to dangers in their environment.
They’d better hope they don’t end up in a tiger cage. Well, okay, Sal would kill the tiger and wear it’s skin, because she’s Amazi-Girl, but Billie would just blunder into it and completely fail to take basic steps to protect herself.
yes… I’m aware that they share a bathroom. However, most rooms that share bathrooms, have locks on the both of the doors so that way privacy is maintained between rooms. Which leads to my question of how Joyce gets in. Are there no locks on the doors in these particularly dorms or do Billie and Sal just not lock them.
But do the doors lock on both sides? Would that be practical? I mean, if the doors can be locked from the outside, then they’d have to be able to be unlocked from the inside, otherwise it would be possible to lock someone in the bathroom. If they only lock from the inside, it would be possible to accidentally lock everyone out of the bathroom. If they can be locked/unlocked from both sides, then Joyce could simply have walked into the bathroom, then unlocked the door to let herself out, into Billie’s room.
It would also be very easy to forget to unlock the other bathroom door when you left, locking the other dorm out of their bathroom without even noticing you’d done so.
Is there anybody who has actually *been* in this sort of dorm to clarify how all this works in reality?
I don’t think there’s any reason to think Joyce racially insensitive. Billie’s comments says more about her own tendency to base her opinion of people on their apearance than it does about Joyce. She assumes because Joyce is white and sheltered she must be racist, which is frequently not the case.
As pointed out above, Joyce thought Billie was white. This would seem to cast doubt on her ability to reliably detect race. And although the Waltertons are a fair bit darker than Billie, that doubt in Joyce’s race-dar is still sufficient as a counterargument because Billie has a pet theory to protect.
Honestly, I never ever even came close to noticing. Until Walky or Sal say/do something that makes their ethnicity relevant it doesn’t really exist. Just like Billy’s mixed race ethnicity is irrelevant because she has yet to behave in such a way that requires the knowledge, ‘one of my parents is asian’ to understand.
They look how they look. They act how they act. If I invite them to dinner and they can`t eat what I cooked even though I asked/they failed to inform me about any dietary restrictions then I’ll do my best to find some sort of compromise. Why we think our friends should know more about us than we tell them is beyond me.
You can’t always go by skin tone, anyway (to determine ethnicity). Most of my ancestry is German, but people are constantly asking me if I’m Mexican or Indian.
I think that Amazi-Girl’s skin is just a little bit less white than Joyce’s (and Billie’s, for that matter). Although that could just be different levels of sun exposure due to Amazi-Girl being out superhero-ing on Sundays instead of attending church or sleeping in.
Amazi-Girl’s skin tone matches Amber’s exactly, though, by some weird coincidence.
By the way, there’s something going on with the comic links. When I was looking at a comic in the archive and I navigated to ‘latest’ it took me to the comic before this one, although the links within the ‘choosing my religion’ storyline are working fine.
Just out of curiousity, just how high is that bunkbed anyway? Based on the first panel, that bed would have to be about 8 feet off the ground, kind of high to be jumping out of.
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I… what? I don’t… get it?
Sal, and Walky, are not white.
I do not personally know or care what their actual ethnicity is, but they aren’t caucasian.
I think they were mixed race in the old continuity, but who knows if that applies to DOA.
Maybe they’re Turkish??
If they are Turkish, maybe we could rename all the Walky or Sal ships as the Turkish Delight.
Kinky… I only chose Turkish cos my half-brother is one too.
Can we rename the Walky and Sal ship as The Turkish Despair?
They’re the same mixed race as before.
I know they aren’t white, but I don’t understand how anyone could *ever* mistake them as while. I guess it’s… Billy being irrational and judgemental again?
*White. They also aren’t whiles. Or whales for that matter.
I think of examples like Vin Desiel and The Rock. To a lesser extent, Jessica Alba. You could mistake them for a lot of different ethnic backgrounds. One of my favorite actors is Erick Avari, who’s ethnicity changes from movie to movie.
You can get surprisingly brown while still being “white.” Mediterranean types especially.
That being said, Sal has a DRASTICALLY different skin tone than Amazi-Girl.
Come on now, Billie. You can’t be an intrepid reporter like that. Next thing you’ll be falling for the Kent glasses.
Strictly speaking it would be more accurate to say “SAl is too brown”
But that SEEM more racist despite the fact that i’m pretty sure its less
I get asked my ethnicity pretty much all the time and I have a non-Mediterranean European background. It’s because I tan well. :DMy skin color has been deemed “faux brown”.
So Sal and Walky are still Ambiguously Brown then?
Nah, it’s not ambiguous. It was even spelled out in It’s Walky!. 🙂
I must have missed that memo on their heritage.
Walky & Sal: 1/4 Black. Their mother was a crazy white lady (maybe still crazy in DoA?) and their father half black, half white (not so crazy)
DoA Billie: White-Asian biracial
But…but…we’re not supposed to reference that!
Simple: their bodies are largely the same (save perhaps for Martian tampering). This includes ancestry/ethnicity. The unfolding of their lives is all that is different.
I thought that they were some native mix, like crow or
souix. I know those two tribes weren’t in Indiana, but
I don’t know any tribe names that were.
I always assumed Sal and Walky were just really tan, like the very white Jewish half of my family.
I always figured Hispanic, like Robin; perhaps specifically Mexican, as most Mexicans I’ve met have darker skin.
Robin’s skin is a lighter shade, so I actually had her figured for Caucasian for a very long time. Hispanic ancestry is much more defined by facial structure than skin color, and Willis does many things very well, but distinguishing Robin as Hispanic by her facial structure isn’t one of them… or at least I was able to miss it.
When drawing facial structures you have to be careful not to be overly characteristic less you offend someone of that background, besides when you break it down, there is not a whole lot of difference between
a lot of our so called races or nationalities when it comes to facial structures
“They’re the same mixed race as before.” -Willis
So….Martian/human hybrids in this continuity as well?
^BAZINGA!
Naw, that’d be mixed species!
So what races?
Indy 500 and Camptown
Walky and Sal are white and black. Scottish, English, and not-very-certain-because-of-slavery.
That’s if you assume Martians are a different species. What if they’re really ancient Atlantians who emigrated and just never phone home?
Grah, I forgot about the Martians in the Walkyverse for a moment there… though to be fair, we’ve never seen their faces or been told their exact origins, have we?
Is there a racist theme going on?
http://yoisthisracist.com/
Yeah, some weird timing with SP!. I wrote them three weeks apart!
Silly Billie, everyone knows Danny is Amazigirl!
But Danny cannot be Amazi-Girl, he’s WHITE!
And he doesn’t have boobs, not even man boobs.
It is amazing what one can do with modern prosthetic techniques and access to various walk-in shops for such. So would they be crocheted or injection molded?
Amazi-Girl cast the Bolrog off the mountain then died, but it was not her time so she returned as Amazi-Girl the White.
yayyy
You meant Balrog as opposed the Bolrog which is a demon that has an unhealthy affection for 9pin and borrowed shoes.
Wow…she actually got out of bed to continue this conversation…I wasn’t expecting that O_O
Joyce can be pretty noisy when she wants to be…or when she just keeps on talking.
It’s hard to get back to sleep after awaken like that.
Oh Billie, you so crazy.
Billie nekkid under a nightshirt.
Animal approves. Enthusiastically.
… Technically, aren’t all women nekkid under their clothes? And all men, come to think of it?
Details Smetails!
Shh!! Dont anger bears. They can get very pissed and very ‘tear your face off’ish when they get pissed.
Especially if they’re grizzlys or sea bears.
True, but nightshirts are different. Think cotton. Nothing else. And when they climb out of a warm bed into the cool morning air…
…Excuse me, I think I’m going to go see what Mrs. Animal is doing right now.
So everytime I met people I need to say “You’re always naked to me”?
What gives you the idea that she’s naked under that nightshirt?
I’m not disputing it; I just want to be able to see it too.
Well, if I told, then anybody could do it.
Though Joyce does have a point, the hair could be a wig but you can’t change your skin colour, unless you’re a chameleon or Decoy Octopus.
Or have the right make-up.
A college super-hero would run around in white-face?
“…more racist than a Klansmen with Tourettes, able to leap to prejudiced conclusions in a single bound..”
First off Drunky Sal is too tall to be Amazi-Girl, second off………stop drinking so much.
what else are you supposed to do at college?
Study, party, play games, goofing off, start panicking when the finals roll near and putting up with obnoxious roommates or obnoxious neighbours.
you can do all of those things while drinking. it makes everything better
That’s what the library, and headphones, are for. Because one can then laugh their asses off at the people stumbling around with hangovers and who are wasting their time and mommy and daddy’s monies.
WOOOOOOOOOW. Did…did she just imply Joyce was racist?
no i think she just flat out said it
No, she just remembers that Joyce couldn’t tell she was half asian.
Which is funny since Joyce is remarkably She identifie Amazi-Girl’s skin color even after seeing her briefly after getting ruffied. Billie got to see her stone cold sober.
no such thing as a sober billie.
Not racist, just privileged and sheltered. Which, uh, isn’t all that unfair an accusation. Joyce probably would assume Amazi-Girl was white, even if she didn’t actually know.
And here we can see that to “assume” has… well, just made an ass out of you.
I really don’t think Joyce is THAT bad. Would have have assumed that she was white? Probably. She wouldn’t have gotten herself set enough on that idea to make it a distinguishing feature though.
I dunno. She used the word “Mexicany” to describe Billie. White might not be the first place her mind goes.
Billie looks a lot nicer with her hair down.
What’s a Reese Witherspoonville?
My guess, a place where only white people live kinda like in the movies.
Kind’a like “Pleasantville,” maybe?
I’ve had this thought for the past two days
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1662172/DOA%20PSL%20theater.jpg
I wonder if something like this could get me blocked from reading a comic.
You mean by Willis? I’m not getting a “I’m gonna censor people who make comics based on my copyrighted material” vibe off him at the moment.
I live in constant fear of Willis-wrath.
(Sounds kinda dirty.)
Probably not, but anything adult-themed should always carry the following label above the link:
SMUT WITHOUT WARNING
But, but then it would be smut WITH warning… *brain explodes*
Trust me, people have been pointing that out for ten years or so. It’s tradition. Just go with it.
I know I’m not a philosophy major or a logician or anything like that, but that does not follow any kind of logic whatsoever. Except maybe Drunk Logic.
The problem with her statement isn’t in her logical reasoning. After all IF Amazi-Girl is Sal then Joyce would be mistaken. The fallacy is that she uses the conclusion that Amazi-Girl is Sal to dispute evidence contrary to that same conclusion.
So in other words it follows logic, just bad logic.
Sorry, that was a bit unnecessary, but as one of those Philosophy Majors/Logicians I don’t get to use my skillz very often.
I think Joyce knows who Amazi-Girl is – as she punched ‘her’ repeatedly in the face.
It’s Joe, without any doubt – hrm, he should call himself Amazi-Joe.
amaze-a-girl
yup, it’s definitely joe.
Im beginning to think that if she pasted a note on her back and took out an ad in the school paper, half of the dorm would still not know who Amazi Girl is.
Of course not. Amazi-Girl wears a cape, so you can’t see her back, and Amber (who, I admit, is only my way out there guess – personally I think it’s more likely to be that completely nonthreatening man a few strips back) spends all her time inside playing WoW or a similar MMOG.
And nobody really reads the school paper. It’s just cheaper than traditional toilet paper.
I bet Amazi-Girl is Ethan.
It does kind of make sense.
You choose that avatar on purpose didn’t you!?!
I thought it would be appropriate.
Maybe it’d be better if I drew a domino mask on him or something.
Doesn’t Amazi-Girl show enough skin to tell that she’s white?
I don’t get it (so far) because Joyce was drugged out of her mind when she saw Amazi-girl while Billie was just kinda drunk. How did Joyce see the whiteness but not Billie?
Eh, it will probably get explained very soon.
Well, there’s always the possibility that Billie is just kind of dumb. Which the evidence seems to support. Was she drunk enough to not be able to remember? Certainly doesn’t seem likely. But that doesn’t mean she had the sense to pay attention to silly little details like a superhero in front of her.
This is a good point – forget being drugged out of her mind, Joyce has amnesia about the entire time she was drugged. How could she possibly remember Amazi-Girl?
If Billy’s actually taking classes (99% sure), good luck, because that’s some prejudiced stuff she’s slinging. Christians are racist automatically? I’m not a Joyce fanboy, but seriously, that’s not cool, though even I don’t believe bigoted, arrogant (for almost no reason) people like Billy don’t exist.
Joyce didn’t realize billie was half asian.
I don’t think that’s what she’s saying. I think she means that Joyce was brought up surrounded by white people and therefore assumes people are white by default. She’s accusing Joyce of making a mistake based on her upbringing rather than being racist. Wouldn’t a racist person be MORE likely to notice colour differences?
i think it’s a stab at jesus whitewashing.
Thing is that amazigirl is obviosly white while sal has a distinctly darker skin tone. That and she is at least 20 pounds heavier
the extra 20 pounds is from body armor.
It’s practical!
She also wears facial armor that’s white-people-colored.
Honestly, I know Joyce doesn’t mean anything racial abut it (after all, Amazi-Girl does appear to be white), her past remarks regarding… ANYTHING would probably provoke that response easy enough.
New question though… How did Joyce get into Billie’s room? Does she and Sal just leave the main door or bathroom door unlocked, or is their no lock on the bathroom door, or is Joyce just a secret Christian Ninja-Master? I can’t recall if the door situation was explained in that regard.
Joyce is clearly Amazi-Girl. She probably came in through the window.
As was pointed out in yesterday’s comments, Joyce and Billie share a connecting bathroom.
And while sane people would probably lock the bathroom door to keep out the horror that is Morning!Joyce, the occupants of Billie’s room tend to be drunk or absent, and are possibly slower to react or respond to dangers in their environment.
They’d better hope they don’t end up in a tiger cage. Well, okay, Sal would kill the tiger and wear it’s skin, because she’s Amazi-Girl, but Billie would just blunder into it and completely fail to take basic steps to protect herself.
yes… I’m aware that they share a bathroom. However, most rooms that share bathrooms, have locks on the both of the doors so that way privacy is maintained between rooms. Which leads to my question of how Joyce gets in. Are there no locks on the doors in these particularly dorms or do Billie and Sal just not lock them.
But do the doors lock on both sides? Would that be practical? I mean, if the doors can be locked from the outside, then they’d have to be able to be unlocked from the inside, otherwise it would be possible to lock someone in the bathroom. If they only lock from the inside, it would be possible to accidentally lock everyone out of the bathroom. If they can be locked/unlocked from both sides, then Joyce could simply have walked into the bathroom, then unlocked the door to let herself out, into Billie’s room.
It would also be very easy to forget to unlock the other bathroom door when you left, locking the other dorm out of their bathroom without even noticing you’d done so.
Is there anybody who has actually *been* in this sort of dorm to clarify how all this works in reality?
You figure out how to pick locks. Real fast.
That’s what I did, anyway.
Don’t feel bad Joyce; I thought Amazi-Girl was white too.
I don’t think there’s any reason to think Joyce racially insensitive. Billie’s comments says more about her own tendency to base her opinion of people on their apearance than it does about Joyce. She assumes because Joyce is white and sheltered she must be racist, which is frequently not the case.
As pointed out above, Joyce thought Billie was white. This would seem to cast doubt on her ability to reliably detect race. And although the Waltertons are a fair bit darker than Billie, that doubt in Joyce’s race-dar is still sufficient as a counterargument because Billie has a pet theory to protect.
Those are either really really tall bunkbeds, or really really short girls.
Must have been quite a fall for Joyce… good thing she’s a cartoon character.
Honestly, I never ever even came close to noticing. Until Walky or Sal say/do something that makes their ethnicity relevant it doesn’t really exist. Just like Billy’s mixed race ethnicity is irrelevant because she has yet to behave in such a way that requires the knowledge, ‘one of my parents is asian’ to understand.
They look how they look. They act how they act. If I invite them to dinner and they can`t eat what I cooked even though I asked/they failed to inform me about any dietary restrictions then I’ll do my best to find some sort of compromise. Why we think our friends should know more about us than we tell them is beyond me.
You can’t always go by skin tone, anyway (to determine ethnicity). Most of my ancestry is German, but people are constantly asking me if I’m Mexican or Indian.
…I just now realized for the first time Sal and her brother aren’t white. I always assumed they were just tan.
The accent kind of overshadowed their skin color.
Looking at your grav, I now realise that Marcie is Amazi-Girl.
That would actually make a disturbing amount of sense – and explain why nobody ever recognizes Amazi-Girl’s voice.
Well of COURSE Amazi-Girl isn’t white!
She’s RED under all that make up because she’s Super Car!
There’s no such thing as Super Car in this continuity, silly.
It’s Ultra-Car.
So why is the title of the strip Wig?
It’s short for White-I-Girl.
I think that Amazi-Girl’s skin is just a little bit less white than Joyce’s (and Billie’s, for that matter). Although that could just be different levels of sun exposure due to Amazi-Girl being out superhero-ing on Sundays instead of attending church or sleeping in.
Amazi-Girl’s skin tone matches Amber’s exactly, though, by some weird coincidence.
By the way, there’s something going on with the comic links. When I was looking at a comic in the archive and I navigated to ‘latest’ it took me to the comic before this one, although the links within the ‘choosing my religion’ storyline are working fine.
Joyce looks flatter in profile.
Just out of curiousity, just how high is that bunkbed anyway? Based on the first panel, that bed would have to be about 8 feet off the ground, kind of high to be jumping out of.
Billie is apparently colorblind.
But it’s true!
Brainwashed,brain damaged,racist, what’s next