Come on, really? Yeah, dude’s got a somewhat out-of-the-ordinary last name. That’s like calling George Lucas George Puke-as, or Michael Bay Michael Gay- criticize them for their work, not their God given names.
Shyamalan. Not that hard to spell, people are just lazy.
(But Opinionated Internet Man! How does being unable to spell something on the internet beget laziness?)
Because websites like Google exist.
“What was that director guy’s name? The one that made all those movies with the twist at the end… M. Night something? I can’t spell his last name.” http://bit.ly/sZuapZ
“OH, that’s what it was.”
Well, Plasma, as a matter of fact, yes. I think most of us have, at some point. But the whole “let’s make fun of his name” just feels vaguely racist or ethnocentric or something. Like we’re saying he doesn’t deserve for his name to be spelled or pronounced correctly because it’s not something easy, like Jones or Smith. Like he doesn’t deserve our respect since he’s got a different-sounding name.
If he doesn’t deserve our respect because of his dumb movies, that’s fine (though I still think he gets a bad rap there too, but that’s a different story). But calling him M Night Shamalamadingdong just feels like a lazy ad hominem.
And I love puns, too! I… I guess I didn’t realize quite how strongly I felt about this?
I know that this post is coming about 24 hours too late to matter, and nobody will ever read it, but I figure I might as well respond, seeing as I started this mess.
Sorry if I offended anyone with my lame joke, but that really was all it was intended to be, a joke. You’re right in that I wrote the joke out of laziness. Not that I’m too lazy to google the correct spelling of Shyamalan, but because I’m too lazy to come up with a better joke than a lame “Rama lama ding dong” pun.
As far as possible racism or ethnocentrism go, I really didn’t mean it that way. I have nothing against people of Indian ancestry, it really was just a lame attempt at humor. I apologize if this was offensive.
If it makes any difference, I’m Polish American, and have a surname with a somewhat goofy spelling (no, I’m not posting my real name on the internet, sorry. that probably makes me a hypocrite). I have no problem with making fun of my own last name, or the surnames of my fellow vowel-challenged Poles.
As someone who took a great deal of teasing over my name while in school, I tend to agree with you.
However, my parents gave me my name. Not God. Just saying…
I’m sorry, I probably over-reacted. I was more trying to make a general point for people to think about what they say than to pick on you. And Eastern European names can be hilarious, too! That’s a big part of my heritage, though that part of the family’s names are pretty tame (dad’s got a Norweigian name though, which is kind of ridiculous and kind of badass).
Anyway, all is forgiven, I apologize for making you feel bad about a silly joke. And Thorulf, I meant “God-given” as a common phrase, not literally that someone other than his parents ha bestowed his name upon him. But after my “pay attention to what you say” speech, it’s a good point, and I’d be a hypocrite to say otherwise.
Joyce’s comfort zone is capable of restructuring base (and sometimes crass) concepts into family-friendly misconceptions while neatly shielding her from that which disturbs her.
Of course, like any finely-tuned instrument, it’s also likely rather fragile and capable of breaking in twain with hardly any effort if someone were to actually apply pressure.
He still has a metabolism *nods* One swim in the lake and all the maths books he’s been carrying and those extra fatty bits disappear right off.
((Also, I think in DoAverse he’s only been on the fast food diet a week. Maybe two? I doubt his parents would have let him eat nothing but fast food right off.))
Pffft, it’s be trivial to insert a comic into the buffer if you really wanted. Well, not “trivial,” as it’d involve all the work of drawing the strip, but still.
That said, I like the idea that the shipping comments are that predictable.
Eh, truth be told, moving around comics on WordPress is a real bongo. Given that I’m three weeks ahead, not only do I have to delete three weeks worth of post pages, but each comic downloads into four separate folders with different versions of the image. (Normal, archive, RSS, thumbnail) So just to insert one comic, I’d have to spend time removing all that, renumbering everything, reuploading and retagging everything…
Not a breeze, no. S’not like the old Autokeen days when all you have to do is rename files in FTP.
Now, is Dorothy’s sideways glance in the last panel one of derision or, and stay with me on this for a second, could it be that she’s actually checking Walky out?
The question is, does she actually feel that way, or is she simply reacting in the way she’s been trained to react?
In other words, has she ever taken the time to examine her feelings on this outside of a religious/cultural context? And for that matter, has she ever needed to?
Considering that viewing anything without the lens of our culture is a skill few of us learn and almost none of us ever master I’d doubt her ever actually doing so.
Aside from that, it doesn’t invalidate those feelings as one’s own simply by the fact they’re feelings one is conditioned into, especially as typically one only deeply analyzes such conditioning when one’s own feelings run counter to it.
That’s what college is for- challenging your preconceptions and shit. I’ll bet once Joyce gets to be friends with actual open gays in/looking for committed relationships, she’ll get that they’re not that different. Her “find a husband” instincts might not be too different from Ethan’s.
Intellectual, introspective retrospection is hardly common these days.
I mean, shit, if I paid attention to the idiocy I’ve been prone to in the past, I wouldn’t read comment threads or post.
Imagine, me clamming up because I hate being misunderstood. Ha! That’s more likely than me giving up my enjoyment of Sonic the Hedgehog, Dynasty Warriors, and Monster Hunter.
I have the same problem. Sometimes I remember to shut up, usually the fifth post down after everyone’s taken everything I’ve said every single wrong way possible, and I’ve been personally attacked over it.
Just goes to show I need to keep a normal bedtime. I’m much more eloquent before 2AM.
Yeah, I’ve waffled on Joyce in the past. Every time I think “She’s not so bad”, she hits a new low. This, though…she needs to change her opinion. As-is, I don’t even want to read about her.
I can’t say that’s entirely fair – I’m not Joyce’s biggest fan, but she is not the first Freshman in college to ever be ignorant of the GLBTQ people/issues/community/etc. One of my best friends was from a small town, she wasn’t extremely religious, but homosexuals and lesbians weren’t accepted or understood in her town. Was she a little grossed out at the prospect of two guys making out when she first heard about it? Yeah. Everyone in her town would have been too. Has she gotten over it since then? Very much so. She’s one of the most understanding people I know. Joyce has only been off her island for about a week. I’ve yet to see anyone change their home rooted opinions quite that fast. (She also, to her knowledge, doesn’t have a gay or lesbian friend, and would have less of a reason to change her mind anytime soon.)
All she said was that Billie saying “I’d sooner do his sister is gross,” and I think I kinda I agree with her.
Her reason for this may be anti-gay prejudice, but it seems like a big assumption to me. She said one, little, very specific thing.
She’ll grow out of it. That’s how I felt years ago. Homosexuality had never really registered on my radar, so my default reaction was “ew, gross.” Gradually, as I was exposed to the real world more and more, I got over it. ‘Course, that was back in middle school.
Gender trend (not always true): women are more easily disgusted by mental images, and in general grossed out. So, farting in bed, bathroom talk at the dinner table, and the idea of sex while not actually having sex with someone you love. I mean, I’ve heard hundreds of complains from women about how “I don’t need to see that” with regard to a guy’s junk; doesn’t keep them from enjoying said junk in the heat of passion.
I think that may be what’s going on with Joyce here, nothing more.
I know quite a few girls who are grossed out by other naked girls. The majority of girls I’ve known have not made any comment one way or the other, though; it’s not a topic that comes up often. Would be an interesting survey to take, though I’m not sure I have the expertise to do it…
Can’t speak for the rest of my gender, but I am not personally disgusted by nude men. Just indifferent. I’d be uncomfortable around a bunch of creepy guys in a communal shower, but that’s more about what they might possibly do to me.
Sal and Joyce are from completely different universes. The prospect of them actually connecting on any real level hadn’t occurred to me as even a vague possibility yet.
Not on a sexual level as that would probably be traumatic to Joyce, but I am interested to see where their friendship goes. That could potentially be a VERY interesting dynamic.
Now I’m starting to see the MAJOR differences with Joyce. OldJoyce would have had an aneurysm just trying to find a torrent, never-mind investigating memes.
…um, no. I don’t think I’m talking about what you think I am. NICE BOAT wasn’t a webcomic, and the one I was thinking of… I guess had a kind of NICE BOAT-ish moment toward the end, but that’s not what this is a reference to.
That’s not really a “fan theory” considering Walky basically admitted as much in the other universe. I suppose it’s always possible that this version *is* really an idiot, but I doubt it.
“Basically” meaning “I don’t want to be responsible for finding the solid evidence for my vague recollection of stuff I read a couple of years ago.” No comment on whether that’s directly relevant to the topic…
I predict Billie being shipped with Walky, Sal, or both, depending on the individual shippers. At least, more than usual, this being the internet and all.
The abrasive Nachito crumbs in Walky’s bed grind away excess body hair and exfoliate his skin like a pumice stone, as the discomfort they create causes him to constantly toss and turn. This constant movement exercises all muscle groups, accounting for his lean, toned figure.
So when exactly did Walky fall into the Spring of Drowned Badass? That’s the most logical explanation I can think of for his new, bold behavior after getting out of the lake. That and the pecs…
But waitaminute, the lake hasn’t turned everyone else into badasses… and Walky is the person most recently out of the water in this strip, so the drowning must’ve just happened… and Sal’s the only known badass nearby… and she’s also not in this strip. So Sal drowned just now? Bummer.
Not only is Billie the one that brought up the idea of getting it on with Sal, and objecting only on the basis of being roommates… remember Sudden Sal Boobs, and Billie hurrying her away from the others a few days ago? Consider this: The only guy along on this trip is Sal’s brother. Who exactly was Billie trying to conceal Sal’s hotness from? And why?
I kinda figured she just didn’t want to get shown up. Some girls get that way about bust sizes and whatnot. Sorta the female equivalent of comparing dick sizes.
However, Sal actually has a waist. Plus, Billie has been shown to be uncomfortable with the changes going on with her own body since she started college.
Sal’s body probably looks closer to Billie’s hh school cheerleader body than Billie’s current body does. And that embarrasses her.
Plus, Sal’s hardly ever in the dorm when Billie’s awake. She saw an opportunity and ran with it. ^_~
I have no problem believing Joyce knows what shipping is. That doesn’t mean she goes around reading X-rated fanfic or anything. I have a harder time believing cheerleader party girl Billie knows about dorky fandom stuff though. Maybe she knows by osmosis, via Walky.
In the original continuity, Dorothy was with Walky but ultimately broke things off because he didn’t take life seriously enough.
In this continuity, having broken up with a boyfriend who took things seriously in a creepy way . . . Dorothy is now becoming attracted to Walky because of his less serious ways.
I think you’re quoting continuity action from Joyce and Walky. Having recently just re-read all of It’s Walky and the free portion of Joyce and Walky, Dotty definitely never popped up XD
I need more monies before I can give Willis my monies.
He’s all in my base…
I’m challenging you to find Dotty’s name dropped in the free portions of Joyce and Walky. You did a bang-up job finding her face when I was nay-saying. Prove me wrong again? =P
I’ll let someone else try. It took me about an hour to find a strip I only vaguely remembered, and I still have several tvtropes pages I need to click on…
I thought I remembered that page as being part of a larger arc, and that Dorothy’s name was being mentioned. I’d dig some more, but… you know, tvtropes.
What? Just because she isn’t immediately attracted to the thought of girl-on-girl? I get all over her for her religious stuff, but this is pretty mild. It technically doesn’t even qualify as homophobic – she’s merely confirmed that she, herself, isn’t gay. Is that not allowed anymore? People not being gay?
Heather there didn’t say anything about homophobia. She could just as easily have been reacting to the fact that Joyce was defensively flailing her knowledge of the term “ship” without anybody so much as raising an eyebrow at her usage of the phrase.
Joyce seems to be me circa middle school innocence-wise. I can confirm that it’s possible to remain sheltered while still enjoying the internet. It just doesn’t last very long.
I’m sorry, I’m having a hard time buying that Joyce would have been trafficking in areas of the internet where shipping was discussed. Shipping is a half-tiny baby step to the left of six types of shocking (shocking I say!) fanfics, and I where one roams, the other follows – if you can call arriving at the exact same time “following”. What sort of parental filter would allow it?
Personally, I discovered shipping through Harry Potter fan forums. And I often post on various fan forums (even for some shows I never watch and don’t like), and almost every fan forum has a ‘ships’ section. This, rather than fanfiction, is how I suspect that Joyce learned the word ‘shipping’.
The Twilight fandom is pretty much centered around shipping (Team Edward and Team Jacob, anyone?), and Joyce is already an established fan of Twilight.
Disclaimer: I have never read Twilight, so I am semi-talking out of my arse.
And defend the fact that they know the term. Because that matters. It’s not like you just said you were going to ‘ship’ to real people in a real situation. God damn, Joyce is dumb.
My initial gut reaction to this comic is that Walky is acting significantly out of character in the fourth panel. I dunno how Willis feels about it, but it doesn’t jive with my concept of Walky over four different webcomics…
I’ll restate my lady in the water postulation that was lost in the ensuing Shayamalan hate-fest that went on.
Walky goes into water, becomes shark, finds lady in water, becomes awesome. It’s like American Pie… but during college, and at a lake, and not with any of the girls already there.
Sorry to disappoint, but Dorothy isn’t checking Walky out. She’s eyeing Billie as she escapes, aided by Joyce who’s covering her, as per their agreement two strips back.
That last panel kinda makes Walky look considerably older and confident and far less dorky man-child. Its weird. 🙂
And don’t be homophoic Joyce. Particularly since there are tons of ships between you and half the female cast. Hell, if this was the original universe, she’d probably end up in a lesbian relationship at something like Robin.
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Oh Willis.
Wow, even Walky ships BilliexSal
It’s like sex by proxy!
Joyce DOESN’T approve of this ship.
And neither do I
fanservice alert! and when exactly did walky get a “player’s grin” and pecs?
What’d he just turn on the smoothness all of a sudden?
it’s the water in the lake! GASP!
It was the lady in the water.
“Lady in the water”
…
That terrible M. Night Schlamalamadingdong movie?
NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See, I was going much luder with the reference. Yes, terrible movie. But, suddenly Walky is suave? Coincidence!?
Come on, really? Yeah, dude’s got a somewhat out-of-the-ordinary last name. That’s like calling George Lucas George Puke-as, or Michael Bay Michael Gay- criticize them for their work, not their God given names.
Sorry, it’s just a pet peeve of mine.
I think most people just can’t spell his last name. I know I cant!
Shyamalan. Not that hard to spell, people are just lazy.
(But Opinionated Internet Man! How does being unable to spell something on the internet beget laziness?)
Because websites like Google exist.
“What was that director guy’s name? The one that made all those movies with the twist at the end… M. Night something? I can’t spell his last name.”
http://bit.ly/sZuapZ
“OH, that’s what it was.”
But it’s not always worth googling something just for the sake of posting a comment on a webcomic.
Unsuprisingly “m night shamalamadingdong” comes up with the correct spelling as well.
What a TWIST!
@Historyman68: Did someone make fun of your name when you were a kid by any chance?
Well, Plasma, as a matter of fact, yes. I think most of us have, at some point. But the whole “let’s make fun of his name” just feels vaguely racist or ethnocentric or something. Like we’re saying he doesn’t deserve for his name to be spelled or pronounced correctly because it’s not something easy, like Jones or Smith. Like he doesn’t deserve our respect since he’s got a different-sounding name.
If he doesn’t deserve our respect because of his dumb movies, that’s fine (though I still think he gets a bad rap there too, but that’s a different story). But calling him M Night Shamalamadingdong just feels like a lazy ad hominem.
And I love puns, too! I… I guess I didn’t realize quite how strongly I felt about this?
I know that this post is coming about 24 hours too late to matter, and nobody will ever read it, but I figure I might as well respond, seeing as I started this mess.
Sorry if I offended anyone with my lame joke, but that really was all it was intended to be, a joke. You’re right in that I wrote the joke out of laziness. Not that I’m too lazy to google the correct spelling of Shyamalan, but because I’m too lazy to come up with a better joke than a lame “Rama lama ding dong” pun.
As far as possible racism or ethnocentrism go, I really didn’t mean it that way. I have nothing against people of Indian ancestry, it really was just a lame attempt at humor. I apologize if this was offensive.
If it makes any difference, I’m Polish American, and have a surname with a somewhat goofy spelling (no, I’m not posting my real name on the internet, sorry. that probably makes me a hypocrite). I have no problem with making fun of my own last name, or the surnames of my fellow vowel-challenged Poles.
Peace, everyone.
As someone who took a great deal of teasing over my name while in school, I tend to agree with you.
However, my parents gave me my name. Not God. Just saying…
I’m sorry, I probably over-reacted. I was more trying to make a general point for people to think about what they say than to pick on you. And Eastern European names can be hilarious, too! That’s a big part of my heritage, though that part of the family’s names are pretty tame (dad’s got a Norweigian name though, which is kind of ridiculous and kind of badass).
Anyway, all is forgiven, I apologize for making you feel bad about a silly joke. And Thorulf, I meant “God-given” as a common phrase, not literally that someone other than his parents ha bestowed his name upon him. But after my “pay attention to what you say” speech, it’s a good point, and I’d be a hypocrite to say otherwise.
STOP BEING REASONABLE, ALL YOU GUYS. SOMEBODY CALL SOMEONE ELSE A NAZI.
/\ I’m with NAZI.
Happy?
Shut up, you logic nazi! You know who ELSE wanted everyone to stop being resonable?
…Hitler!
You know, if she’s familiar with shipping, you’d think she’d be more used to slash.
Joyce’s comfort zone is a finely-tuned instrument.
Joyce’s comfort zone is capable of restructuring base (and sometimes crass) concepts into family-friendly misconceptions while neatly shielding her from that which disturbs her.
Of course, like any finely-tuned instrument, it’s also likely rather fragile and capable of breaking in twain with hardly any effort if someone were to actually apply pressure.
Well I sure do :3
Yeah, it’s got my support. And I’m someone who hates shipping characters for no reason.
Walky has seen OUR internet!!
Curse you Willis!
Interesting….
Wait, is Dorothy ogling Walky?
She’s imagining him with boobs.
Why do I want to see Dorothy in the middle of a love triangle with Walky and Sal both after her now?
Oh right, cuz it’d be awesome.
Walky With Boobs
Why does this scare me more than Amber’s fantasy Batman?
As always, it’s the eyes.
Dorothy’s look is so much more potent with that edit.
That’s an unsettling avatar you got there.
You love it.
Less disturbing Walky With Boobs
I found that one creepier. Somehow the fast edit is less uncanny valley about it.
Thank you. For some reason, likely because I failed to read the name before looking, that was what I had expected Plasma Mongoose had linked to.
Can I say that male Joyce in adorable? ooh how about male joyce and male walky…mmmmmm….
*shudder*
Given how much fast food he eats, I’m surprised he doesn’t already have boobs.
(Also, didn’t he have a pot belly?)
He still has a metabolism *nods* One swim in the lake and all the maths books he’s been carrying and those extra fatty bits disappear right off.
((Also, I think in DoAverse he’s only been on the fast food diet a week. Maybe two? I doubt his parents would have let him eat nothing but fast food right off.))
He’s probably sucking in his gut, too. As guys at the beach are wont to do around girls.
I actually think she’s just disgusted, guys. 🙂
She looks more alarmed to me, possibly in a “well now this is a conversation I wasn’t expecting…I’ll be over here” kind of way.
yeah dorothy, we see you checkin’ him out!
I don’t know who to agree with Joyce or Walky
Yay! In-universe shipping wars!
Are you seriously telling us that you didn’t create today’s comic in responce to our comments?
Psst! I think he’s trying to tell us something.
That there are iceburgs heading towards our ships?
The captain always goes down with his ship!
No, he created this comic in ANTICIPATION of our comments.
WILLS SEES ALL! WILLIS KNOWS ALL!
Dude. Three week buffer.
Guess you know us pretty well, then, huh.
Or he stole a tardis.
Hey-oh!
Three EARTH weeks? 😛
If it was a three DOA week buffer, we’d have comics clear through the end of the world.
I’m curious what other kind of “week” you think he could mean.
Three Jupiter weeks which equals 8 days 7 hours and 40 mins.
Pffft, it’s be trivial to insert a comic into the buffer if you really wanted. Well, not “trivial,” as it’d involve all the work of drawing the strip, but still.
That said, I like the idea that the shipping comments are that predictable.
Eh, truth be told, moving around comics on WordPress is a real bongo. Given that I’m three weeks ahead, not only do I have to delete three weeks worth of post pages, but each comic downloads into four separate folders with different versions of the image. (Normal, archive, RSS, thumbnail) So just to insert one comic, I’d have to spend time removing all that, renumbering everything, reuploading and retagging everything…
Not a breeze, no. S’not like the old Autokeen days when all you have to do is rename files in FTP.
But you do it, because you’re a GOD DAMN CHAMPION
-group high-five-!
No, he does them three weeks ahead because he’s a goddamn[ed] champion.
That’s actually what I meant.
You know your fanbase too well then
A couple of months of just mcnuggets, and that could just be you, Walky.
The mcnugget diet is clearly the way to go. I mean come on, just look at those results!
It’s the hormones in the chickens that did it.
Dotty appreciates it.
Now, is Dorothy’s sideways glance in the last panel one of derision or, and stay with me on this for a second, could it be that she’s actually checking Walky out?
Dun dun dun
Oh, I thought she was just going “Oh wow, Sal really IS Walky with boobs. Aside from the personality, the clothes, and the hair, I mean.”
This is what would happen if you let your fans take over writing duties, Willis.
Except that there would already be a lesbian sex scene going on by panel 4.
Like letting Moffat do head writing duties. “ALL VILLAINS ARE ELUSIVE!!!”
C’mon. Doctor Who’s been going on for so long, they don’t have much of a choice but to let a fan write it. Beats putting a non-fan in charge, anyway.
There isn’t anybody left working on it that didn’t watch it as a kid XD
Actually, Matt Smith didn’t. He was only about 5 or 6 when it was canceled.
…Egg on face.
Very good, sir.
I thought Matt Smith was a fan of Troughton’s Doctor…
Yeah, but he didn’t really get into it until he was picked or at least under consideration for the role.
In contrast to DT, who went into acting to try to play the Doctor.
And now is a feller covered in ammo: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2654125568/tt1438176
It’s so absurd, I must watch it.
Surprise, the church girl thinks two girls getting it on is gross. Shock and awe.
The question is, does she actually feel that way, or is she simply reacting in the way she’s been trained to react?
In other words, has she ever taken the time to examine her feelings on this outside of a religious/cultural context? And for that matter, has she ever needed to?
Why should she?
Considering that viewing anything without the lens of our culture is a skill few of us learn and almost none of us ever master I’d doubt her ever actually doing so.
Aside from that, it doesn’t invalidate those feelings as one’s own simply by the fact they’re feelings one is conditioned into, especially as typically one only deeply analyzes such conditioning when one’s own feelings run counter to it.
That’s what college is for- challenging your preconceptions and shit. I’ll bet once Joyce gets to be friends with actual open gays in/looking for committed relationships, she’ll get that they’re not that different. Her “find a husband” instincts might not be too different from Ethan’s.
Intellectual, introspective retrospection is hardly common these days.
I mean, shit, if I paid attention to the idiocy I’ve been prone to in the past, I wouldn’t read comment threads or post.
Imagine, me clamming up because I hate being misunderstood. Ha! That’s more likely than me giving up my enjoyment of Sonic the Hedgehog, Dynasty Warriors, and Monster Hunter.
(I really should shut up sometimes, though.)
I have the same problem. Sometimes I remember to shut up, usually the fifth post down after everyone’s taken everything I’ve said every single wrong way possible, and I’ve been personally attacked over it.
Just goes to show I need to keep a normal bedtime. I’m much more eloquent before 2AM.
Looks like my theory is correct after all.
Yeah, I’ve waffled on Joyce in the past. Every time I think “She’s not so bad”, she hits a new low. This, though…she needs to change her opinion. As-is, I don’t even want to read about her.
dude, could YOU see billie and sal doin it? Its like beauty, beast, and the drunkard. You can figure out how that works out.
“Here we are, the perfect pair… Beauty and the Beast. Mind you, if anybody calls you Beast, I’ll rip their lungs out.”
I can’t say that’s entirely fair – I’m not Joyce’s biggest fan, but she is not the first Freshman in college to ever be ignorant of the GLBTQ people/issues/community/etc. One of my best friends was from a small town, she wasn’t extremely religious, but homosexuals and lesbians weren’t accepted or understood in her town. Was she a little grossed out at the prospect of two guys making out when she first heard about it? Yeah. Everyone in her town would have been too. Has she gotten over it since then? Very much so. She’s one of the most understanding people I know. Joyce has only been off her island for about a week. I’ve yet to see anyone change their home rooted opinions quite that fast. (She also, to her knowledge, doesn’t have a gay or lesbian friend, and would have less of a reason to change her mind anytime soon.)
All she said was that Billie saying “I’d sooner do his sister is gross,” and I think I kinda I agree with her.
Her reason for this may be anti-gay prejudice, but it seems like a big assumption to me. She said one, little, very specific thing.
Er, that should be ‘”I’d sooner do his sister” is gross’*
She’ll grow out of it. That’s how I felt years ago. Homosexuality had never really registered on my radar, so my default reaction was “ew, gross.” Gradually, as I was exposed to the real world more and more, I got over it. ‘Course, that was back in middle school.
Gender trend (not always true): women are more easily disgusted by mental images, and in general grossed out. So, farting in bed, bathroom talk at the dinner table, and the idea of sex while not actually having sex with someone you love. I mean, I’ve heard hundreds of complains from women about how “I don’t need to see that” with regard to a guy’s junk; doesn’t keep them from enjoying said junk in the heat of passion.
I think that may be what’s going on with Joyce here, nothing more.
Yes, you’re right, women have an exaggerated and ridiculous reaction to naked men far more often than straight men do… oh wait…
I know quite a few girls who are grossed out by other naked girls. The majority of girls I’ve known have not made any comment one way or the other, though; it’s not a topic that comes up often. Would be an interesting survey to take, though I’m not sure I have the expertise to do it…
Can’t speak for the rest of my gender, but I am not personally disgusted by nude men. Just indifferent. I’d be uncomfortable around a bunch of creepy guys in a communal shower, but that’s more about what they might possibly do to me.
She thinks it’s gross now… but just wait ’til she tries it!
Prediction: Joyce will experiment with alternative lifestyles sometime in the vague future.
And the world knowledgeable Sal will be the one to teach it to her.
Oh god. Mind just blown.
Sal and Joyce are from completely different universes. The prospect of them actually connecting on any real level hadn’t occurred to me as even a vague possibility yet.
Even though Sal is apparently just “Walky with boobs” and the Joyce and Walky the comic strip ran for years?
I’m just kidding – it’s weird.
Not on a sexual level as that would probably be traumatic to Joyce, but I am interested to see where their friendship goes. That could potentially be a VERY interesting dynamic.
There’s a fourth wall something or other going on here, but I’m not sure exactly what. Like maybe they’re hearing the Comments through it.
Has Joyce just admitted to obsessively scouring the internet for the most perverted fanfiction she could find?
Why do I think Veggie Tales are involved?
Well, half of them are cucumbers.
Upvote
Wait… Bob’s a tomato, Larry’s a cucumber, Junior & Archibald are both asparagus, then there’s Pa Grape, Mr. Lunt, Jimmy, and Jerry are gourds…
You know what? Just go here… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VeggieTales_characters
Don’t forget the cumquats.
You have ruined that word for me.
Puts the tagline I saw on one of their DVDs (“A story about OBEDIENCE”) in a whole new light, donnit?
Willis, you fanservice rascal! 🙂
Bringing up two opposing ships in the same comic?
DAVID WILLIS – MASTER TROLL
Indeed.
why must they be opposing ships? can’t they be more like lifeboats on a much larger, all-encompassing ship?
Remember that on the internet, most ships are battleships.
I am now imagining a game of Fandom Battleship.
Just ships that pass in the night. Or in Walky’s case, pass gas.
Only problem with battleships is they get sunk so much…
Ha! I love “Surprise, I’ve seen the internet!” XD
I know! But wait, if Joyce has seen the internet, and the internet is for porn…
=O
You’re a pervert. Normal people don’t sit at home and look at porn on the Internet.
I was… it’s a reference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W31ue-9u4z4&feature=fvst
Jeez.
Candlejack (aside from doing the meme wrong) was also referencing that song. The part where Kate is ta
… How do you not notice that that’s a line from not only the same show but the same song that you were referencing?
I believe Joraiem was quoting the musical Avenue Q, Candleja–there is a song called “The Internet is for Porn” which is somewhat of a meme on youtube.
and of course he beat me to his own defense anyway
iSaidCandleja was quoting Avenue Q too.
Okay, you guys obviously don’t know the song you’re referencing well enough, because iSaidCandleja is playing along with you.
Oh?? You have no idea! Ready, normal people?!
Ready!
Ready!
Ready!
Ready!
Ready!
Wow, I’ve never been above so many people’s heads. What line causes the normal people to join the chorus?
Whoops!
Been about a year since I’ve heard it, and I didn’t actually watch the video today caaause youtube’s a bongo.
Heh. I have <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Avenue-2003-Original-Broadway-Cast/dp/B0000BZK1R"the soundtrack for a reason… there are just so many good songs in the play, besides just the above, with so many interesting observations on the human condition in modern first world countries.
“Lemme hear it!”
You have no idea…
Ready normal people?!
You just know she found rule 34 of Jesus.
some folks just loooove Jesus.
Now, was it the Jesus Fucking Christ, or the JesusXPikachu…cuz we need to know just what her inevitable psychotic break is going to involve.
Now I’m starting to see the MAJOR differences with Joyce. OldJoyce would have had an aneurysm just trying to find a torrent, never-mind investigating memes.
She has a 10-chapter Homestuck fanfic where John helps Rose find Jesus.
I think there’s too much fucking language in Homestuck for Joyce.
Don’t worry she’s only ‘seen’ the internet. As in across the room with close parental supervision.
Hold on a minute!
Now I happen to know for a fact that you, Joraiem, read webcomics and post commentary online.
Joyce with the save. Walky lives to see another day.
She found this funny comic once about high school rivals…
Please tell me you’re not talking about what I think you are.
NICE BOAT.
…um, no. I don’t think I’m talking about what you think I am. NICE BOAT wasn’t a webcomic, and the one I was thinking of… I guess had a kind of NICE BOAT-ish moment toward the end, but that’s not what this is a reference to.
Oh thank god. I don’t think Joyce could handle that much mind-break.
I LOVE PENNY & AGGIE!
Walky, your logic is infallible. As are your pecs. Everything you are doing today makes you look mighty attractive and you aren’t even trying are you?
Remember that fan theory that Walky is actually a gorram super-genius and he masks his intellect in a layer of nachitos and comic books?
Starting to seem credible, right?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ObfuscatingStupidity
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/b/b9/I%27ll_just_look_at_this_one_article_on_tvtropes.jpg
Drat! You’ve seen through my cunning and meticulously laid trap!
I think they may have gotten that theory from somewhere…
That’s not really a “fan theory” considering Walky basically admitted as much in the other universe. I suppose it’s always possible that this version *is* really an idiot, but I doubt it.
Basically? Proof positive, from the other universe:
http://www.itswalky.com/d/20030205.html
“Basically” meaning “I don’t want to be responsible for finding the solid evidence for my vague recollection of stuff I read a couple of years ago.” No comment on whether that’s directly relevant to the topic…
Well, in the other universe he was abducted by aliens, so I’m trying not to assume that everything is just carbon-copied.
It’s hard to separate sometimes.
I could be mistaken, but when Walky lists his abductee powers to Joyce, I’m pretty sure enhanced intelligence isn’t one of them.
Yeah, he was actually just smart. Good genes is what I think it was chalked up to.
I think this is my favorite strip of anything ever.
Willis you are an evil Genius; please don’t stop…
Biting tongues = Gross in DoA universe
Nobody has pointed out that Billie’s objection isn’t to dating Sal. It’s to dating a roommate.
Oh my god, Walky’s sleazy face in the last panel.
He’s making a Joe face.
Whoops I didn’t mean to reply to your post.
But yeah, I noticed that too. I am shipping BilliexSal hard I can’t even believe it.
I’ve known enough roomates who’ve hooked up NOT to ship that.
Billie/Chihiro, on the other hand… poor girl must be lonely since she was dropped for an Amazon.
That seemed too obvious to point out.
The fact that Walky said he could set them up, I’m surprised no one pointed out.
This is the perfect storm of shiptease.
Why do I get the sense Joyce is talking to us commenters in panel 2?
Though from her reaction to Billie/Sal, it seems she hasn’t seen anything that isn’t het.
It’s the Internet. Whatever you’re looking for, you have seen EVERYTHING.
And what you have seen, you can never forget.
So it’s like being Patrick Stewart?
I definitely got the same feeling on panel two.
Must fight image of Walky’s last line…Must fight image…Image winning!!!
YOU CANNOT FIGHT IT!
This honestly doesn’t surprise me. Joyce knows Twilight. She has to know what shipping is.
What does surprise me is her meta-ness. This feels off to me for some reason. Can’t put my finger on it.
From time to time, we get a strip that throws a wink to the fan base.
This strip is basically winking its ever-lovin’ eyelid off.
Much as I love Walky’s Joe-face in the last panel, I love his disgusted face in the third panel even more! 😀
Walky, stop perving out over your “sister” and actual sister.
Joyce, shipping people IRL is creepy. Telling them about it is even more creepy.
Also, how can you have been to those parts of the internet and still be such a Polyanna?
The Internet changes people, you know.
It certainly changed me.
And still does… Every day, apparently… ^_~
Would you believe involuntary shapeshifting?
oooh, you almost got me to click on that… My whole day would have been shot! That was a close one!
[clicks on the link anyway]
Oh no… Not TV Tropes….
I would never go there.
…then I must have very creepy friends. .___.
It’s all a facade. She’s secretly horribly disturbed on the inside. She says this stuff because she wants someone to kill her.
I predict Billie being shipped with Walky, Sal, or both, depending on the individual shippers. At least, more than usual, this being the internet and all.
I just want to see Billie get some action myself, either of the Walkerton is fine :p
I can totally see Joyce shipping characters while posting messages in Twilight forums.
This makes perfect sense for Joyce’s shipping exposure.
“I’m Team Jacob!” ^_^
Yeah right Walky.
And this is now my second favorite strip with Walky in it of all time.
And for some reason, I can already picture Walky with boobs…
Somehow almost unfazed by implications of lesbianism. I’m impressed, Joyce.
Also, Willis, that joke is way too meta. I love it.
And longer hair, too. 😛
Dorothy is thinking “Oh God, need brain bleach.”
I just realized Walky shaves his pits.
Seems strangely… out of character.
Shaves? You think he can actually grow anything?
The abrasive Nachito crumbs in Walky’s bed grind away excess body hair and exfoliate his skin like a pumice stone, as the discomfort they create causes him to constantly toss and turn. This constant movement exercises all muscle groups, accounting for his lean, toned figure.
Fasinating theory you got there.
Whoa whoa whoa, what is this “internet” thing you speak of?
She says no, but her Y-Y-Y says Y-Y-Yes.
what exactly is her “Y-Y-Y”?
SUPER CHROMOSOMES!
Probably referring to Billie’s “YYYeah,” on the last panel.
I thought that was obvious… guess not.
I guess, she’s all into that.
YEEEAAAHHHH!
Again, he said no but the last part seems too…..ship worthy.
Damn you Willis…Damn you.
I feel your pain. I was shipping Billie and Walky too.
Ships with Willis are like character deaths with George R R Martin. Until you’ve seen the corpse, NOTHING IS DEAD.
I dunno. Ethan-plus-any-female-character seems pretty well shot.
Or is that equivalent to seeing the corpse?
Yeah, that’s pretty much the corpse.
I just imagined Walky with boobs.
And yes, I realize what my Gravatar is, thank you very much.
Shipper on deck!!
I have a confession to make… I totally read this comic while eating Amazing Spider-Man themed Alpha Ghetti. Hail to the king, baby!
CAN’T. UNSEE.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/WitchyWebcomics/My%20Motivationals/ItsTooLate.jpg
I’ll leave to Plasma to decide whether he wants to “fix” it… ^_~
Isn’t that cute, his eyes were smiling.
8^0
I find this comment quite funny. As, you know, Locke was all about knowledge through experience….
XD
So when exactly did Walky fall into the Spring of Drowned Badass? That’s the most logical explanation I can think of for his new, bold behavior after getting out of the lake. That and the pecs…
yeah.. i noticed that, too.
That is the lake.
But waitaminute, the lake hasn’t turned everyone else into badasses… and Walky is the person most recently out of the water in this strip, so the drowning must’ve just happened… and Sal’s the only known badass nearby… and she’s also not in this strip. So Sal drowned just now? Bummer.
GOD WHY IS WALKY SO GOOD IN THIS UNIVERSE?!
What happens in Joyce reads It’s Walky! while she’s on the internet?
Once she gets to the current page, the world disappears into a quantum singularity.
http://pull.imgfave.netdna-cdn.com/image_cache/1304010545858530.gif
Not only is Billie the one that brought up the idea of getting it on with Sal, and objecting only on the basis of being roommates… remember Sudden Sal Boobs, and Billie hurrying her away from the others a few days ago? Consider this: The only guy along on this trip is Sal’s brother. Who exactly was Billie trying to conceal Sal’s hotness from? And why?
This comment is like Sociology: too many words and unfortunately obvious.
I mean, “I forgot six days ago!”
I kinda figured she just didn’t want to get shown up. Some girls get that way about bust sizes and whatnot. Sorta the female equivalent of comparing dick sizes.
Both have had significant inflation since the start of the school year. I don’t think either can complain XD
However, Sal actually has a waist. Plus, Billie has been shown to be uncomfortable with the changes going on with her own body since she started college.
Sal’s body probably looks closer to Billie’s hh school cheerleader body than Billie’s current body does. And that embarrasses her.
Plus, Sal’s hardly ever in the dorm when Billie’s awake. She saw an opportunity and ran with it. ^_~
Also, Billie is rather proud of her chest, if her party habits are any indication.
We started college last Monday…
Just saying.
No biggie.
It’s alright, Billie. Some of us prefer a luxury model to a sports car anyway, if you catch my drift. 😉
Hehe. You said “drift” in an analogy about cars.
Okay, that went to a weird place.
Wow, Walky capable of cruelty this time around?
Proof Willis reads the comments!
But not for the reasons you’re implying.
Closer to the top:
David
December 14, 2011 at 12:19 am | Reply
Dude. Three week buffer.
*looks at Joyce*
XP
Okay is anybody else a little weirded out by the fact Walky looks kind of hot in the last panel?
Or is it just me?
Walky always looks kind of hot. 😛
No, he usually looks kinda adorable. Yes, I am weirded out by the hotness. Not that I’m not enjoying it…
Please tell me your gravatar was a deliberate thing…
You mean my Halo: Reach av? Because that’s what’s showing on my screen.
It’s totally Ethan XD
http://www.dumbingofage.com/wp-content/themes/comicpress-dumbingofage/images/avatars/dumbingofage/avethan.png?s=64
Weird. Funnily enough, it’s not even supposed to be the Halo av. It’s supposed to be this one.
Clearly a villain is afoot.
I have no problem believing Joyce knows what shipping is. That doesn’t mean she goes around reading X-rated fanfic or anything. I have a harder time believing cheerleader party girl Billie knows about dorky fandom stuff though. Maybe she knows by osmosis, via Walky.
Ok. So this is how I’m reading the situation.
In the original continuity, Dorothy was with Walky but ultimately broke things off because he didn’t take life seriously enough.
In this continuity, having broken up with a boyfriend who took things seriously in a creepy way . . . Dorothy is now becoming attracted to Walky because of his less serious ways.
I think you’re quoting continuity action from Joyce and Walky. Having recently just re-read all of It’s Walky and the free portion of Joyce and Walky, Dotty definitely never popped up XD
I need more monies before I can give Willis my monies.
He’s all in my base…
I’m in the same situation.
However, if Willis would print books of these stories, I would be more likely to part with monies that I shouldn’t.
*COUGH HINT HINT COUGH*
Well, actually…
Oh, touche. I forgot about that one damn Sunday strip XD
That said, never gave her a name in the free sections.
Challenge accepted?
Challenge? I’m not sure what you mean.
I’m challenging you to find Dotty’s name dropped in the free portions of Joyce and Walky. You did a bang-up job finding her face when I was nay-saying. Prove me wrong again? =P
I’ll let someone else try. It took me about an hour to find a strip I only vaguely remembered, and I still have several tvtropes pages I need to click on…
I thought I remembered that page as being part of a larger arc, and that Dorothy’s name was being mentioned. I’d dig some more, but… you know, tvtropes.
Word of God? Wherefore art thou?
Walky’s still creepy, just a less serious creepy.
Too much fan service.
You’re kidding right?
Says the Angry-Billie gravatar.
We don’t have to imagine, Walky. We just have to look at the strip from exactly a week ago.
Walky could just pig out and eat till he develops a serious set of Moobs. That’ll get the ladies wild.
SHIPCEPTION
Joyce -sighs- there are times when I like you, this is not one of them.
Still a great strip however!
What? Just because she isn’t immediately attracted to the thought of girl-on-girl? I get all over her for her religious stuff, but this is pretty mild. It technically doesn’t even qualify as homophobic – she’s merely confirmed that she, herself, isn’t gay. Is that not allowed anymore? People not being gay?
Heather there didn’t say anything about homophobia. She could just as easily have been reacting to the fact that Joyce was defensively flailing her knowledge of the term “ship” without anybody so much as raising an eyebrow at her usage of the phrase.
Not in a Willis comic!
If she has seen the internet.
Why is she so sheltered? EVERYONE KNOWS THOSE WHO USE THE INTERNET ARE NOT SHELTERED AND HAVE NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM.
….What am I doing with my life? D:
Joyce seems to be me circa middle school innocence-wise. I can confirm that it’s possible to remain sheltered while still enjoying the internet. It just doesn’t last very long.
She never turned off the safe-search on google.
AFA’s No Override Filter or something similar I’m guessing. I’ve listened to enough Christian radio to have heard of it.
Ever since the strip a while back, now every time I see Dorothy all I can see is Lisa Simpson.
I like to imagine Walky using Duke Nukem’s voice for the 4th panel.
You mean Bruce Campbell’s voice? Since 90% of The Duke’s playbook was ripped straight from Bruce’s alarmingly manly chin?
No, Duke Nukem is infinitely creepier imitation of meta-cool Ash – like Quagmire imitating Clint Eastwood.
I love the second panel. Her face is priceless- it’s a punchline in itself.
*reads first panel*
Oh, Joyce, you’re so adorable. I have to write a comment about how it’s funny she knows the meaning of —
*reads second panel*
Oh. Well, never mind then.
Joyce has obviously never seen the Interwebs. This is obviously Anti-Joyce.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
What’s really interesting is she rejected the idea based on the fact it’s her room-mate. NOT on the fact that it is Sal.
I’m sorry, I’m having a hard time buying that Joyce would have been trafficking in areas of the internet where shipping was discussed. Shipping is a half-tiny baby step to the left of six types of shocking (shocking I say!) fanfics, and I where one roams, the other follows – if you can call arriving at the exact same time “following”. What sort of parental filter would allow it?
She WRITES fanfics! About Jesus.
The sad thing is how likely that is. Fanfiction.net has a “Bible” category. I’ve never looked at it because its very existance disturbs me so much.
Personally, I discovered shipping through Harry Potter fan forums. And I often post on various fan forums (even for some shows I never watch and don’t like), and almost every fan forum has a ‘ships’ section. This, rather than fanfiction, is how I suspect that Joyce learned the word ‘shipping’.
The Twilight fandom is pretty much centered around shipping (Team Edward and Team Jacob, anyone?), and Joyce is already an established fan of Twilight.
Disclaimer: I have never read Twilight, so I am semi-talking out of my arse.
If I was Walky, I’d be all over Billie.
Obligatory “With my penis”.
Consider, Billie, with the amount of time you spend drunk…?
Hmm. And Sal has no alcohol tolerance. I imagine getting her one Caucasian would be enough to nearly floor her. Hmm.
I can see how this could be arranged…
I find it interesting that while Billie protests dating her roommates, she demonstrates no problem whatsoever with the idea of dating other women.
Perhaps Daisy was a bit hasty in trying to drive her away from the newspaper.
I’d like to think my recently expressed ignorance of the term ‘ship’ was at least partially responsible for this strip.
You’re welcome.
Love watching people say ‘ship’ in real life.
And defend the fact that they know the term. Because that matters. It’s not like you just said you were going to ‘ship’ to real people in a real situation. God damn, Joyce is dumb.
“in real life” in relation to something that happened in a comic. <_<
Something that happened in a comic depicting people in a real-life scenario, you moron.
THANK YOU, WILLIS! THANK YOU, WILLIS! THANK! YOU! WILLIS!
I still love how when the do the “ew, gross” tongue, it looks like they’re biting said tongue…
My initial gut reaction to this comic is that Walky is acting significantly out of character in the fourth panel. I dunno how Willis feels about it, but it doesn’t jive with my concept of Walky over four different webcomics…
I’ll restate my lady in the water postulation that was lost in the ensuing Shayamalan hate-fest that went on.
Walky goes into water, becomes shark, finds lady in water, becomes awesome. It’s like American Pie… but during college, and at a lake, and not with any of the girls already there.
Lady in the f-in Water! WHAT?
…and no flutes.
…and sadly no Alyson Hannigan…
Additionally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXaT_1I-vw
Fun part is people ship actors all the time.
Okay, I ship Billie/Sal now. 🙂
Sorry to disappoint, but Dorothy isn’t checking Walky out. She’s eyeing Billie as she escapes, aided by Joyce who’s covering her, as per their agreement two strips back.
That last panel kinda makes Walky look considerably older and confident and far less dorky man-child. Its weird. 🙂
And don’t be homophoic Joyce. Particularly since there are tons of ships between you and half the female cast. Hell, if this was the original universe, she’d probably end up in a lesbian relationship at something like Robin.
Joyce reads our comments? HI, JOYCE! YOU’RE AWESOME!!!
I doubt it. The femslash would probably scare her off. xD
I cant stop laughing!!!
She knows what the internet means?And wait doesn’t that mean Sal has a ..?Just when I thought this couldn’t get any weirder
Note Dorothy subtly checking out the goods fourth panel.